Comments on: Rock’n'Roll’s Bogus Narrative, Part II http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/04/27/rocknrolls-bogus-narrative-part-ii/ Mon, 06 Oct 2008 18:18:29 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.1 By: Twisty http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/04/27/rocknrolls-bogus-narrative-part-ii/#comment-9809 Twisty Mon, 30 Jan 2006 12:45:45 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/04/27/rocknrolls-bogus-narrative-part-ii/#comment-9809 Alas, SisterJ, nobody who produces television would consider for 30 seconds not basing their product on women in thongs. Thanks, though. Alas, SisterJ, nobody who produces television would consider for 30 seconds not basing their product on women in thongs. Thanks, though.

]]> By: SisterJ http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/04/27/rocknrolls-bogus-narrative-part-ii/#comment-9791 SisterJ Mon, 30 Jan 2006 03:49:22 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/04/27/rocknrolls-bogus-narrative-part-ii/#comment-9791 Twisty, I just started reading your blog and have been going through the archives. I know this is from last year, but I had to comment: This should be required reading in every highschool and university. At least send a copy to the heads of BET and MTV. Seriously. You have a wonderful way with words that shouldn't be limited to the stadium full of folks who've been lucky enough to wander in (myself included). Peace. Twisty,

I just started reading your blog and have been going through the archives. I know this is from last year, but I had to comment:

This should be required reading in every highschool and university. At least send a copy to the heads of BET and MTV. Seriously. You have a wonderful way with words that shouldn’t be limited to the stadium full of folks who’ve been lucky enough to wander in (myself included).

Peace.

]]> By: Tony Patti http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/04/27/rocknrolls-bogus-narrative-part-ii/#comment-90 Tony Patti Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/04/27/rocknrolls-bogus-narrative-part-ii/#comment-90 (I'm the rocker dude who was in the band that joked about blowjobs before every show) You should have used my name! I'm not offended by being called on my youthful misogyny, no matter if it was more fantasy than reality - the point is still valid, and I'm not afraid to admit it. Ashamed a little, but not too terribly much - the total delusion that I was operating under included sexual dominance among all the other ridiculous pretensions to being a rock star I was aspiring to. Giving up those aspirations was an immensely satisfying decision I made so long ago that the youth who held them seems like another person entirely. I can attest to the validity of your theme because of having wanted that, if only half-jokingly, along with all the other phallocentric trappings of rockstardom that appealed so brightly to my hormoneand drug addled adolescent brain. (I’m the rocker dude who was in the band that joked about blowjobs before every show) You should have used my name! I’m not offended by being called on my youthful misogyny, no matter if it was more fantasy than reality - the point is still valid, and I’m not afraid to admit it. Ashamed a little, but not too terribly much - the total delusion that I was operating under included sexual dominance among all the other ridiculous pretensions to being a rock star I was aspiring to. Giving up those aspirations was an immensely satisfying decision I made so long ago that the youth who held them seems like another person entirely. I can attest to the validity of your theme because of having wanted that, if only half-jokingly, along with all the other phallocentric trappings of rockstardom that appealed so brightly to my hormoneand drug addled adolescent brain.

]]> By: frobisher http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/04/27/rocknrolls-bogus-narrative-part-ii/#comment-91 frobisher Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/04/27/rocknrolls-bogus-narrative-part-ii/#comment-91 The Ramones were part of scene which spawned "Punk" rock - a golden age for women, liberating them with a "do what you want to" attitude which applied to music/fashion/sexuality, etc. Crop your hair, wear combats and boots? Yes! if you want to. Do it for yourself not other people. Agreed, money and power (plus herion)corrupts & but for the last half of the 70s Punk was a great leveller and shook the status quo so perhaps we should be a little more generous to the Ramones. The Ramones were part of scene which spawned “Punk” rock - a golden age for women, liberating them with a “do what you want to” attitude which applied to music/fashion/sexuality, etc. Crop your hair, wear combats and boots? Yes! if you want to. Do it for yourself not other people. Agreed, money and power (plus herion)corrupts & but for the last half of the 70s Punk was a great leveller and shook the status quo so perhaps we should be a little more generous to the Ramones.

]]> By: Twisty http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/04/27/rocknrolls-bogus-narrative-part-ii/#comment-92 Twisty Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/04/27/rocknrolls-bogus-narrative-part-ii/#comment-92 Hi Frobisher, I'm not saying the Ramones didn't have some cute pop hits, and I'm not denying that I had a crush on Joey Ramone, and I'm not holding them personally responsible for global male supremacy, but let's face it: they weren't exactly part of the solution! The only status quo shaken by punk was the now outdated idea that musicians should know how to play instruments. This was good, because prog-rock was <em>killing</em> me! But the rest of it was an unmitigated testosterone-fest. I also disagree that there has ever been a "golden age for women" any time, anywhere, and certainly not in the music biz in the 70's. I played guitar in a rock band for many years. It was fun, but it didn't make me "liberated." To this day, the vast majority of rock'n'roll musicians, engineers, producers, instrument makers, music store employees, journalists, and label owners are male. Hi Frobisher,

I’m not saying the Ramones didn’t have some cute pop hits, and I’m not denying that I had a crush on Joey Ramone, and I’m not holding them personally responsible for global male supremacy, but let’s face it: they weren’t exactly part of the solution!

The only status quo shaken by punk was the now outdated idea that musicians should know how to play instruments. This was good, because prog-rock was killing me! But the rest of it was an unmitigated testosterone-fest.

I also disagree that there has ever been a “golden age for women” any time, anywhere, and certainly not in the music biz in the 70’s. I played guitar in a rock band for many years. It was fun, but it didn’t make me “liberated.” To this day, the vast majority of rock’n'roll musicians, engineers, producers, instrument makers, music store employees, journalists, and label owners are male.

]]> By: Ray http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/04/27/rocknrolls-bogus-narrative-part-ii/#comment-93 Ray Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/04/27/rocknrolls-bogus-narrative-part-ii/#comment-93 If you just boil the Ramones legacy down to this bit: "the Ramones spared us the guitar wanking" then they have earned my respect. If you just boil the Ramones legacy down to this bit:

“the Ramones spared us the guitar wanking”

then they have earned my respect.

]]> By: Wordlackey http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/04/27/rocknrolls-bogus-narrative-part-ii/#comment-94 Wordlackey Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/04/27/rocknrolls-bogus-narrative-part-ii/#comment-94 I'm late to the party as usual... Still, I think your analysis of rock is excellent. There are a few bright spots here and there but, as you say, by partaking of the essentially misogynist rock mythos, women end up on the, um, receiving end. Yet I still shamefully love quite a bit of rock/punk/etc. I've yet to really reconcile this with my more feminist inclinations and awareness. There's still a part of me that identifies somewhat with the beat and feeling of the music. The lyrics and arrogant sexist posturing, not so much anymore. BTW, I liked "Paper Cut". And your blog. Keep up the good work. Strangely, the phrase "I blame the Patriarchy" was popular in my household several years ago. We might have been using it as a take-off of the scene in "Repo Man" where the dying punk says "I blame society." But I think we were much more serious about the Patriarchy. Anyway, your blog title sums up how I often feel. I’m late to the party as usual… Still, I think your analysis of rock is excellent. There are a few bright spots here and there but, as you say, by partaking of the essentially misogynist rock mythos, women end up on the, um, receiving end. Yet I still shamefully love quite a bit of rock/punk/etc. I’ve yet to really reconcile this with my more feminist inclinations and awareness. There’s still a part of me that identifies somewhat with the beat and feeling of the music. The lyrics and arrogant sexist posturing, not so much anymore.

BTW, I liked “Paper Cut”. And your blog. Keep up the good work. Strangely, the phrase “I blame the Patriarchy” was popular in my household several years ago. We might have been using it as a take-off of the scene in “Repo Man” where the dying punk says “I blame society.” But I think we were much more serious about the Patriarchy. Anyway, your blog title sums up how I often feel.

]]> By: Twisty http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/04/27/rocknrolls-bogus-narrative-part-ii/#comment-95 Twisty Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/04/27/rocknrolls-bogus-narrative-part-ii/#comment-95 Hey, Word, thanks for the compliment. I'm right there with you on the reconciliation stuff. The mindfuck explodes exponentially when you stop to consider how few of the epic human achievements can be ascribed to non-patriarchal interests. Hey, Word, thanks for the compliment. I’m right there with you on the reconciliation stuff. The mindfuck explodes exponentially when you stop to consider how few of the epic human achievements can be ascribed to non-patriarchal interests.

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