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		<title>By: Quote of the Day &#171; Anti-Porn Feminists</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/06/19/patriarchy-blaming-q-a/#comment-124144</link>
		<author>Quote of the Day &#171; Anti-Porn Feminists</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 19:43:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Twisty Faster, I Blame the Patriarchy [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Twisty Faster, I Blame the Patriarchy [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: TeenageCatgirl</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/06/19/patriarchy-blaming-q-a/#comment-318</link>
		<author>TeenageCatgirl</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/06/19/patriarchy-blaming-q-a/#comment-318</guid>
		<description>Excellent post, excellent blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post, excellent blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Patti</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/06/19/patriarchy-blaming-q-a/#comment-319</link>
		<author>Tony Patti</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/06/19/patriarchy-blaming-q-a/#comment-319</guid>
		<description>Would liberating women eradicate arousal? If arousal were no more, would sex and reproduction exist?

It's a complicated subject. The generalization that men are only aroused by oppression is pretty simplistic. Yet so much of the sexuality thrown in our faces every day is oppressive that it's easy to buy into simple problems, and  simple solutions. 

The mystery of male arousal must be about more than simple oppression.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would liberating women eradicate arousal? If arousal were no more, would sex and reproduction exist?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a complicated subject. The generalization that men are only aroused by oppression is pretty simplistic. Yet so much of the sexuality thrown in our faces every day is oppressive that it&#8217;s easy to buy into simple problems, and  simple solutions. </p>
<p>The mystery of male arousal must be about more than simple oppression.</p>
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		<title>By: Twisty</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/06/19/patriarchy-blaming-q-a/#comment-320</link>
		<author>Twisty</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/06/19/patriarchy-blaming-q-a/#comment-320</guid>
		<description>Dude, I didn't say "arousal can only exist under the auspices of oppression," I said "&lt;em&gt;pornography&lt;/em&gt; can only exist under the auspices of oppression." Dig this:

THE TWO ARE NOT THE SAME.

And neither one is "complicated" or "mysterious." That's just a lot of bullshit men use to excuse their jackassness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude, I didn&#8217;t say &#8220;arousal can only exist under the auspices of oppression,&#8221; I said &#8220;<em>pornography</em> can only exist under the auspices of oppression.&#8221; Dig this:</p>
<p>THE TWO ARE NOT THE SAME.</p>
<p>And neither one is &#8220;complicated&#8221; or &#8220;mysterious.&#8221; That&#8217;s just a lot of bullshit men use to excuse their jackassness.</p>
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		<title>By: yami</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/06/19/patriarchy-blaming-q-a/#comment-321</link>
		<author>yami</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/06/19/patriarchy-blaming-q-a/#comment-321</guid>
		<description>You've got a lot riding on your unstated definition of "pornography" here. How would the pictures of hot naked chicks in a feminist end-state utopia differ from the pictures of naked chicks we have today, other than in the minds of the beholders? Would men ever jack off while looking at pictures of naked chicks, and if so, why wouldn't those pictures count as porn?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ve got a lot riding on your unstated definition of &#8220;pornography&#8221; here. How would the pictures of hot naked chicks in a feminist end-state utopia differ from the pictures of naked chicks we have today, other than in the minds of the beholders? Would men ever jack off while looking at pictures of naked chicks, and if so, why wouldn&#8217;t those pictures count as porn?</p>
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		<title>By: Crys T</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/06/19/patriarchy-blaming-q-a/#comment-322</link>
		<author>Crys T</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/06/19/patriarchy-blaming-q-a/#comment-322</guid>
		<description>Great post!  I'm so glad I know about this blog:  reading things I can actually endorse wholeheartedly makes me feel like less of a freak.

"'pornography can only exist under the auspices of oppression.' Dig this:

THE TWO ARE NOT THE SAME."

Excellent point, Twisty.  And I think Tony's confusion of the two really does reflect a generalised attitude:  that porn just is a representation of sex--or even to some, that porn IS sex.  This is similar to what's come up on another blog regarding rape, and it's the idea that many people, sadly including lots of women, honestly do believe that women's sexuality really *is* exactly what male fantasy *wants* it to be. Only if you feel this way can you honestly believe that what you see in most porn has any relation at all to real-life sexual behaviour. Though, scarily, as porn becomes more and more mainstream, I think that more and more people are buying into the idea that "this is what sex looks like" and are behaving accordingly.  At least when they are young and inexperienced.

And it very much disturbs me that there are men who actually do seem to feel that taking away the exploitative, demeaning aspects of how we view sex will kill their arousal.  That's beyond horrifying.

It also begs the question of why *I*--or any other woman--should accept dehumanisation just because that's what a guy needs to get off?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post!  I&#8217;m so glad I know about this blog:  reading things I can actually endorse wholeheartedly makes me feel like less of a freak.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8216;pornography can only exist under the auspices of oppression.&#8217; Dig this:</p>
<p>THE TWO ARE NOT THE SAME.&#8221;</p>
<p>Excellent point, Twisty.  And I think Tony&#8217;s confusion of the two really does reflect a generalised attitude:  that porn just is a representation of sex&#8211;or even to some, that porn IS sex.  This is similar to what&#8217;s come up on another blog regarding rape, and it&#8217;s the idea that many people, sadly including lots of women, honestly do believe that women&#8217;s sexuality really *is* exactly what male fantasy *wants* it to be. Only if you feel this way can you honestly believe that what you see in most porn has any relation at all to real-life sexual behaviour. Though, scarily, as porn becomes more and more mainstream, I think that more and more people are buying into the idea that &#8220;this is what sex looks like&#8221; and are behaving accordingly.  At least when they are young and inexperienced.</p>
<p>And it very much disturbs me that there are men who actually do seem to feel that taking away the exploitative, demeaning aspects of how we view sex will kill their arousal.  That&#8217;s beyond horrifying.</p>
<p>It also begs the question of why *I*&#8211;or any other woman&#8211;should accept dehumanisation just because that&#8217;s what a guy needs to get off?</p>
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		<title>By: TeenageCatgirl</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/06/19/patriarchy-blaming-q-a/#comment-323</link>
		<author>TeenageCatgirl</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/06/19/patriarchy-blaming-q-a/#comment-323</guid>
		<description>The 'mystery' of male arousal?! *snort*


I agree with Twisty and Crys T wholeheartedly. Porn isn't the depiction of sex, it's the depiction of someone being used as a sexual object. The females involved are not actively expressing their own sexuality, they are passive pieces of meat with convenient orifices which men use. 
The desire for sex is the desire to engage in sexual activity with another, who is equally as engaged as you.
Porn just encourages the desire to use others as a masturbation aid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8216;mystery&#8217; of male arousal?! *snort*</p>
<p>I agree with Twisty and Crys T wholeheartedly. Porn isn&#8217;t the depiction of sex, it&#8217;s the depiction of someone being used as a sexual object. The females involved are not actively expressing their own sexuality, they are passive pieces of meat with convenient orifices which men use.<br />
The desire for sex is the desire to engage in sexual activity with another, who is equally as engaged as you.<br />
Porn just encourages the desire to use others as a masturbation aid.</p>
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		<title>By: Twisty</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/06/19/patriarchy-blaming-q-a/#comment-324</link>
		<author>Twisty</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/06/19/patriarchy-blaming-q-a/#comment-324</guid>
		<description>Yami, you have hit upon my point precisely. The power of pornography lies not in the images themselves, but in the human reaction toâ€™em. Were it possible to upgrade the status of women to that of the fully human, the reaction to the sort of image currently regarded as porn would not and could not be the same.  

The difficulty, of course, is in selling the radical notion that women are actual humans.

My hypothesis is that porn doesnâ€™t degrade women; women, as a class, are &lt;em&gt;already&lt;/em&gt; degraded. Porn is just the documentation. Un-degrade the women, and porn is just stupid pictures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yami, you have hit upon my point precisely. The power of pornography lies not in the images themselves, but in the human reaction toâ€™em. Were it possible to upgrade the status of women to that of the fully human, the reaction to the sort of image currently regarded as porn would not and could not be the same.  </p>
<p>The difficulty, of course, is in selling the radical notion that women are actual humans.</p>
<p>My hypothesis is that porn doesnâ€™t degrade women; women, as a class, are <em>already</em> degraded. Porn is just the documentation. Un-degrade the women, and porn is just stupid pictures.</p>
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		<title>By: river</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/06/19/patriarchy-blaming-q-a/#comment-325</link>
		<author>river</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/06/19/patriarchy-blaming-q-a/#comment-325</guid>
		<description>What about porn of just two people having sex?  Not the corporate-type porn, just two people having sex who then both agree to post it on the internet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about porn of just two people having sex?  Not the corporate-type porn, just two people having sex who then both agree to post it on the internet.</p>
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		<title>By: Twisty</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/06/19/patriarchy-blaming-q-a/#comment-326</link>
		<author>Twisty</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/06/19/patriarchy-blaming-q-a/#comment-326</guid>
		<description>River, are you suggesting that amateur porn is not porn?  Or possibly that amateur porn is somehow more benign than professional porn? I would be interested to hear arguments supporting either of these notions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>River, are you suggesting that amateur porn is not porn?  Or possibly that amateur porn is somehow more benign than professional porn? I would be interested to hear arguments supporting either of these notions.</p>
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