Comments on: Cultural Revolution II: Misogyny Is The Opiate Of The People http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/08/26/cultural-revolution-ii-misogyny-is-the-opiate-of-the-people/ Sat, 06 Sep 2008 16:59:57 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.1 By: j http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/08/26/cultural-revolution-ii-misogyny-is-the-opiate-of-the-people/#comment-32147 j Sun, 07 Jan 2007 18:43:30 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/08/26/cultural-revolution-ii-misogyny-is-the-opiate-of-the-people/#comment-32147 Oh, of course I can quote any number of excerpts from the <i>Analects</i>. Confucius certainly was an influential misogynist. Oh, of course I can quote any number of excerpts from the Analects. Confucius certainly was an influential misogynist.

]]> By: roamaround http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/08/26/cultural-revolution-ii-misogyny-is-the-opiate-of-the-people/#comment-32146 roamaround Sun, 07 Jan 2007 17:30:48 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/08/26/cultural-revolution-ii-misogyny-is-the-opiate-of-the-people/#comment-32146 Speaking of Romanization, let's not forget Atatürk's 1928 reform of the Turkish writing system, supposedly resulting in much higher literacy rates. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_languages#Writing_system But I thought we were talking about the patriarchy...how about that Confucius, eh? Lest we think that the Judeo-Christian-Islamic traditions have any monopoly. Speaking of Romanization, let’s not forget Atatürk’s 1928 reform of the Turkish writing system, supposedly resulting in much higher literacy rates.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_languages#Writing_system

But I thought we were talking about the patriarchy…how about that Confucius, eh? Lest we think that the Judeo-Christian-Islamic traditions have any monopoly.

]]> By: j http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/08/26/cultural-revolution-ii-misogyny-is-the-opiate-of-the-people/#comment-32141 j Sun, 07 Jan 2007 06:10:58 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/08/26/cultural-revolution-ii-misogyny-is-the-opiate-of-the-people/#comment-32141 As Twisty is out of town, I have been browsing the IBTP archives with much delight, which is why I am commenting on a year-old post. I may be biased because I am a Chinese-speaker, but pinyin is the only Romanization system that makes any sense to me at all. It is far more accurate and user-friendly than Wade-Giles. It is also far more popular now, for good reason. Before pinyin, an English speaker attempting to pronounce Chinese might have had to read "tzyh" for what is now simply "zi." There are many Xs and Us in the pinyin transliteration system simply because it Romanizes phonemes that don't exist in English. The X, for example, is close to the English /sh/ but requires a wider mouth position and less tongue roll. The U actually represents two separate phonemes. One is /oo/ as in true, and the other is the French u or the German ü, which both don't exist in English. As Twisty is out of town, I have been browsing the IBTP archives with much delight, which is why I am commenting on a year-old post.

I may be biased because I am a Chinese-speaker, but pinyin is the only Romanization system that makes any sense to me at all. It is far more accurate and user-friendly than Wade-Giles. It is also far more popular now, for good reason. Before pinyin, an English speaker attempting to pronounce Chinese might have had to read “tzyh” for what is now simply “zi.”

There are many Xs and Us in the pinyin transliteration system simply because it Romanizes phonemes that don’t exist in English. The X, for example, is close to the English /sh/ but requires a wider mouth position and less tongue roll. The U actually represents two separate phonemes. One is /oo/ as in true, and the other is the French u or the German ü, which both don’t exist in English.

]]> By: Tony Patti http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/08/26/cultural-revolution-ii-misogyny-is-the-opiate-of-the-people/#comment-2027 Tony Patti Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/08/26/cultural-revolution-ii-misogyny-is-the-opiate-of-the-people/#comment-2027 Blaming the Patriarchy for the hordes of Chinese women snuffing themselves is just the kind of wildly exaggerated feminism that makes me suspect that this blog is a parody run by right-wing extremists trying to undermine those feminists who have a more nuanced message calculated to soothe the worried Promise-Keeper husband who only beats his wife when she fails to keep another one of the lard's promises he just made up last night! We don't need this kind of divisive patriarchy blaming out in the wild! What we want is our women empowered by some scanty Victoria's Secret underwear, not depressed by actual facts about death! End sarcasm. I just wanted to preempt any and all male trolls before they even get started. Blaming the Patriarchy for the hordes of Chinese women snuffing themselves is just the kind of wildly exaggerated feminism that makes me suspect that this blog is a parody run by right-wing extremists trying to undermine those feminists who have a more nuanced message calculated to soothe the worried Promise-Keeper husband who only beats his wife when she fails to keep another one of the lard’s promises he just made up last night! We don’t need this kind of divisive patriarchy blaming out in the wild! What we want is our women empowered by some scanty Victoria’s Secret underwear, not depressed by actual facts about death!

End sarcasm. I just wanted to preempt any and all male trolls before they even get started.

]]> By: Cindy http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/08/26/cultural-revolution-ii-misogyny-is-the-opiate-of-the-people/#comment-2028 Cindy Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/08/26/cultural-revolution-ii-misogyny-is-the-opiate-of-the-people/#comment-2028 I also blame the patriarchy. Bastards. I also blame the patriarchy. Bastards.

]]> By: Crys T http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/08/26/cultural-revolution-ii-misogyny-is-the-opiate-of-the-people/#comment-2029 Crys T Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/08/26/cultural-revolution-ii-misogyny-is-the-opiate-of-the-people/#comment-2029 Re the spelling thing: I'm not sure how that system was established, but I would like to point out that, even with one language, English for example, "spelling it like it sounds" is a highly subjective concept. Take the word "dog". The "o" sounds VERY different depending on whether the speaker comes from Queens, Red Jacket W Va, South London or Sydney. And lots of letters have very different sounds in the different European languages they're used in. In Welsh, "dd" sounds like the "th" in "breathe", and in Catalan, "x" usually sounds like English "sh". Sorry for the lecture, but be forewarned: when people ask questions like that, I'm often pedantic enough to actually answer.....even when I know they were only joking. Re the spelling thing: I’m not sure how that system was established, but I would like to point out that, even with one language, English for example, “spelling it like it sounds” is a highly subjective concept. Take the word “dog”. The “o” sounds VERY different depending on whether the speaker comes from Queens, Red Jacket W Va, South London or Sydney.

And lots of letters have very different sounds in the different European languages they’re used in. In Welsh, “dd” sounds like the “th” in “breathe”, and in Catalan, “x” usually sounds like English “sh”.

Sorry for the lecture, but be forewarned: when people ask questions like that, I’m often pedantic enough to actually answer…..even when I know they were only joking.

]]> By: Mistress http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/08/26/cultural-revolution-ii-misogyny-is-the-opiate-of-the-people/#comment-2030 Mistress Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/08/26/cultural-revolution-ii-misogyny-is-the-opiate-of-the-people/#comment-2030 Oh, shit, son. Orthographer in the house! I don't know who invented Pin Yin, but whoever did was a dumbass. Freshman year of college, I took a semester of Mandarin and, uh, Pin Yin is retarded. Me? I'm a 4th year linguistics major. I could totally use my nerd-powers to write way too much on the subject, so I'm going to shut up before I get started. Oh, shit, son. Orthographer in the house! I don’t know who invented Pin Yin, but whoever did was a dumbass. Freshman year of college, I took a semester of Mandarin and, uh, Pin Yin is retarded.

Me? I’m a 4th year linguistics major. I could totally use my nerd-powers to write way too much on the subject, so I’m going to shut up before I get started.

]]> By: Christopher http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/08/26/cultural-revolution-ii-misogyny-is-the-opiate-of-the-people/#comment-2031 Christopher Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/08/26/cultural-revolution-ii-misogyny-is-the-opiate-of-the-people/#comment-2031 How old is Pin Yin anyway? It seems like a lot of orthographies are so old that when they came out they made perfect sense with the spelling conventions of the day, but now are hard to understand. Anyway, Confuscious seems to have been kind of a jackass. He sort of reminds me of Paul, in that both of their philosophies are widely respected and yet consist mostly of reinforcing the patriarchy. Anybody else that falls into this category. How old is Pin Yin anyway? It seems like a lot of orthographies are so old that when they came out they made perfect sense with the spelling conventions of the day, but now are hard to understand.

Anyway, Confuscious seems to have been kind of a jackass. He sort of reminds me of Paul, in that both of their philosophies are widely respected and yet consist mostly of reinforcing the patriarchy.

Anybody else that falls into this category.

]]> By: JonJ http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/08/26/cultural-revolution-ii-misogyny-is-the-opiate-of-the-people/#comment-2032 JonJ Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/08/26/cultural-revolution-ii-misogyny-is-the-opiate-of-the-people/#comment-2032 On pinyin, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinyin. Main point: it was invented by the Chinese, for the Chinese. It was not invented for the convenience of English-speakers. On pinyin, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinyin. Main point: it was invented by the Chinese, for the Chinese. It was not invented for the convenience of English-speakers.

]]> By: Twisty http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/08/26/cultural-revolution-ii-misogyny-is-the-opiate-of-the-people/#comment-2033 Twisty Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/08/26/cultural-revolution-ii-misogyny-is-the-opiate-of-the-people/#comment-2033 Thanks, JonJ. Through the wonders of the world wide web, I have actually managed to learn something. Clod that I am, it was slow to dawn on me that Chinese speakers would ever need to read Chinese in English (or any Roman alphabet language), if you see what I mean. Thanks, JonJ. Through the wonders of the world wide web, I have actually managed to learn something. Clod that I am, it was slow to dawn on me that Chinese speakers would ever need to read Chinese in English (or any Roman alphabet language), if you see what I mean.

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