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		<title>By: Nassoid</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/09/27/fashion-week-the-corset-tightens/#comment-3168</link>
		<author>Nassoid</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Slightly immature, but hurray I have a post sort of about me, or at least mentioning me! I'm also about to go home, but I (surprisingly) don't think your argument is entirely fair to my point of view so, work permitting, I'll try and say something else tomorrow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Slightly immature, but hurray I have a post sort of about me, or at least mentioning me! I&#8217;m also about to go home, but I (surprisingly) don&#8217;t think your argument is entirely fair to my point of view so, work permitting, I&#8217;ll try and say something else tomorrow.</p>
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		<title>By: Rene</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/09/27/fashion-week-the-corset-tightens/#comment-3169</link>
		<author>Rene</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This whole question of agency has been on my mind a lot lately, and I've been hoping that you'd write about Lynndie England, who, as I'm sure you know, was just found guilty. Her defense, such as it was -- that she was just some susceptible little idiot in thrall to her Svengali boyfriend -- always made me squeamish, and I'm not sure why. I felt a grim satisfaction when she was convicted, even though I realize that she's just another scapegoat/grunt. Maybe I felt that way because the alternative is worse -- that she's not a sadistic moron, like the rest of the Abu Ghraib crew, but a lovesick robot incapable of thinking for herself? If I were a better feminist, would I have some sympathy for that fucking troll and try to find a way to blame the equally hideous Graney as the embodiment of the patriarchy? I don't know. I can still blame the patriarchy, of course, because the military couldn't exist in its current incarnation without it, but I blame Lynndie England, too. Maybe I can't be a true feminist because I hate people in general. 

Bert is really, really cute, though. Those sly black-rimmed eyes get me every time! 

Rene</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This whole question of agency has been on my mind a lot lately, and I&#8217;ve been hoping that you&#8217;d write about Lynndie England, who, as I&#8217;m sure you know, was just found guilty. Her defense, such as it was &#8212; that she was just some susceptible little idiot in thrall to her Svengali boyfriend &#8212; always made me squeamish, and I&#8217;m not sure why. I felt a grim satisfaction when she was convicted, even though I realize that she&#8217;s just another scapegoat/grunt. Maybe I felt that way because the alternative is worse &#8212; that she&#8217;s not a sadistic moron, like the rest of the Abu Ghraib crew, but a lovesick robot incapable of thinking for herself? If I were a better feminist, would I have some sympathy for that fucking troll and try to find a way to blame the equally hideous Graney as the embodiment of the patriarchy? I don&#8217;t know. I can still blame the patriarchy, of course, because the military couldn&#8217;t exist in its current incarnation without it, but I blame Lynndie England, too. Maybe I can&#8217;t be a true feminist because I hate people in general. </p>
<p>Bert is really, really cute, though. Those sly black-rimmed eyes get me every time! </p>
<p>Rene</p>
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		<title>By: norbizness</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/09/27/fashion-week-the-corset-tightens/#comment-3170</link>
		<author>norbizness</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Now&lt;/em&gt; I remember why I dropped that sociology class back in the day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Now</em> I remember why I dropped that sociology class back in the day.</p>
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		<title>By: WookieMonster</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/09/27/fashion-week-the-corset-tightens/#comment-3171</link>
		<author>WookieMonster</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/09/27/fashion-week-the-corset-tightens/#comment-3171</guid>
		<description>Blaming the patriarchy seems to me to have a lot to do with seeing the bigger picture.  Without considering the causes and consequences of your actions you are merely reacting, not making conscious decisions to act.  Fasion as a reactions can &lt;i&gt;feel&lt;/i&gt; empowering, but there are all of those unconsidered causes and consequences that are acting like a ground, draining all of your actual power away before it has a chance to harm the patriarchy.

Deja Pseu quoted this in the last thread, but it bears repeating: "when you find you're choosing what the patriarchy is pushing, it's a good thing to sometimes stop and ask yourself why."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blaming the patriarchy seems to me to have a lot to do with seeing the bigger picture.  Without considering the causes and consequences of your actions you are merely reacting, not making conscious decisions to act.  Fasion as a reactions can <i>feel</i> empowering, but there are all of those unconsidered causes and consequences that are acting like a ground, draining all of your actual power away before it has a chance to harm the patriarchy.</p>
<p>Deja Pseu quoted this in the last thread, but it bears repeating: &#8220;when you find you&#8217;re choosing what the patriarchy is pushing, it&#8217;s a good thing to sometimes stop and ask yourself why.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Josef K</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/09/27/fashion-week-the-corset-tightens/#comment-3172</link>
		<author>Josef K</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, Twisty, what do you actually wear? A few commenters asked "so how do you solve the problem?" in response to the most recent post, but my question is less ambitious and more answerable. 

I spent too much time today trying to create an 18th-century man's costume from charity shop odds and ends, and I'm totally blaming the patriarchy for that crap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, Twisty, what do you actually wear? A few commenters asked &#8220;so how do you solve the problem?&#8221; in response to the most recent post, but my question is less ambitious and more answerable. </p>
<p>I spent too much time today trying to create an 18th-century man&#8217;s costume from charity shop odds and ends, and I&#8217;m totally blaming the patriarchy for that crap.</p>
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		<title>By: Twisty</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/09/27/fashion-week-the-corset-tightens/#comment-3173</link>
		<author>Twisty</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, Lynndie England's a douchebag, all right, although I don't think any more so than her Cro-Magnon cohorts. I certainly believe it is possible to be brainwashed by a Svengali, but somehow the notion of England as Graner's mousy minion doesn't jive with the exhilaration she expresses in the infamous photo. She clearly is deriving no small satisfaction from her work.

But really, aren't all those fuckers in thrall to the military? Aren't they, in fact, precisely what the military &lt;i&gt;wants&lt;/i&gt;? You aren't going to find too many fine, upstanding, sensitive, hearty American youths who are willing to commit the necessary atrocities.

The whole Abu gang should be in prison, if you ask me, starting with Bush and Rumsfeld. And what the hell, throw in the Svengaliest of'em all, Karl Rove.

There's nothing wrong with a little grim satisfaction in my book. Although, as I discovered in a recent post expressing same with regard to the beheaded Saudi rapists, some people don't like hearing about it.

And I speak from experience when I say it is completely possible to be a feminist and hate people in general. I wouldn't know about being a &lt;i&gt;good&lt;/i&gt; feminist, though. I think one of the prerequisites of goodness is, you have to not hate people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, Lynndie England&#8217;s a douchebag, all right, although I don&#8217;t think any more so than her Cro-Magnon cohorts. I certainly believe it is possible to be brainwashed by a Svengali, but somehow the notion of England as Graner&#8217;s mousy minion doesn&#8217;t jive with the exhilaration she expresses in the infamous photo. She clearly is deriving no small satisfaction from her work.</p>
<p>But really, aren&#8217;t all those fuckers in thrall to the military? Aren&#8217;t they, in fact, precisely what the military <i>wants</i>? You aren&#8217;t going to find too many fine, upstanding, sensitive, hearty American youths who are willing to commit the necessary atrocities.</p>
<p>The whole Abu gang should be in prison, if you ask me, starting with Bush and Rumsfeld. And what the hell, throw in the Svengaliest of&#8217;em all, Karl Rove.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s nothing wrong with a little grim satisfaction in my book. Although, as I discovered in a recent post expressing same with regard to the beheaded Saudi rapists, some people don&#8217;t like hearing about it.</p>
<p>And I speak from experience when I say it is completely possible to be a feminist and hate people in general. I wouldn&#8217;t know about being a <i>good</i> feminist, though. I think one of the prerequisites of goodness is, you have to not hate people.</p>
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		<title>By: Hissy Cat</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/09/27/fashion-week-the-corset-tightens/#comment-3174</link>
		<author>Hissy Cat</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm wondering, Twisty, where men who dress sexy for other men fit into all this?  I'm with you on the whole fashion-is-not-empowerment deal, but what about gay men who wear fashoinably tight jeans or who cross-dress in high-heels and minis?  Where do they fit into the Twisty analysis?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m wondering, Twisty, where men who dress sexy for other men fit into all this?  I&#8217;m with you on the whole fashion-is-not-empowerment deal, but what about gay men who wear fashoinably tight jeans or who cross-dress in high-heels and minis?  Where do they fit into the Twisty analysis?</p>
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		<title>By: res publica</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/09/27/fashion-week-the-corset-tightens/#comment-3175</link>
		<author>res publica</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a great post.  'Because every outfit comes preloaded with cultural narrative, clothes cannot possibly proclaim "individuality."' is precisely what I wish I'd said.  Just try and tell someone that, though. I am constantly amazed at how committed people are (still!) to the concept of their own precious specialness as manifested through their clothing, jewelry, tattoos, piercings, and greenish-black lipstick ("Nobody Understands" by MAC).  I know you know, too, because you live in Austin, galactic headquarters of the Terminally Different and Misunderstood.

And as much as today's glossy, skanky neo-feminists love to ignore it, this is a real issue.  As a man, I can just not care about clothes and more or less get away with it.  I'm a "technology professional" so people expect me to look like a "dork" anyway, and it's completely possible to shop only at Target and still look employable, if not totally great.  But I suspect that the long-term socioeconomic consequences are rather severe for women who choose not to play dress-up.  It depends somewhat on your profession, I suppose.  I guess a female truck driver can wear sweats to work every day.  On the other hand, places like sales and upper management are heavily oriented toward appearance (specifically, the appearance of being a highly-disciplined-yet-still-nasty sexbot).  I donâ€™t know how far youâ€™d get in that world without towing the line.  And most workplaces are probably somewhere between.  IT is a great example of a double-standard in this regard.  There is no female equivalent of the bearded Unix hippie who is excused from wearing deodorant because heâ€™s such an awesome shell programmer.  If you see an unshaven, stinky woman in your office, you call security.

Anyway, Iâ€™d also like to express strong agreement with the statement that patriarchal ideology sucks the bag.  And I wish Iâ€™d said that, too.  *sigh*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a great post.  &#8216;Because every outfit comes preloaded with cultural narrative, clothes cannot possibly proclaim &#8220;individuality.&#8221;&#8216; is precisely what I wish I&#8217;d said.  Just try and tell someone that, though. I am constantly amazed at how committed people are (still!) to the concept of their own precious specialness as manifested through their clothing, jewelry, tattoos, piercings, and greenish-black lipstick (&#8221;Nobody Understands&#8221; by MAC).  I know you know, too, because you live in Austin, galactic headquarters of the Terminally Different and Misunderstood.</p>
<p>And as much as today&#8217;s glossy, skanky neo-feminists love to ignore it, this is a real issue.  As a man, I can just not care about clothes and more or less get away with it.  I&#8217;m a &#8220;technology professional&#8221; so people expect me to look like a &#8220;dork&#8221; anyway, and it&#8217;s completely possible to shop only at Target and still look employable, if not totally great.  But I suspect that the long-term socioeconomic consequences are rather severe for women who choose not to play dress-up.  It depends somewhat on your profession, I suppose.  I guess a female truck driver can wear sweats to work every day.  On the other hand, places like sales and upper management are heavily oriented toward appearance (specifically, the appearance of being a highly-disciplined-yet-still-nasty sexbot).  I donâ€™t know how far youâ€™d get in that world without towing the line.  And most workplaces are probably somewhere between.  IT is a great example of a double-standard in this regard.  There is no female equivalent of the bearded Unix hippie who is excused from wearing deodorant because heâ€™s such an awesome shell programmer.  If you see an unshaven, stinky woman in your office, you call security.</p>
<p>Anyway, Iâ€™d also like to express strong agreement with the statement that patriarchal ideology sucks the bag.  And I wish Iâ€™d said that, too.  *sigh*</p>
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		<title>By: Hissy Cat</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/09/27/fashion-week-the-corset-tightens/#comment-3176</link>
		<author>Hissy Cat</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, cute puppy!</description>
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		<title>By: Twisty</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/09/27/fashion-week-the-corset-tightens/#comment-3177</link>
		<author>Twisty</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/09/27/fashion-week-the-corset-tightens/#comment-3177</guid>
		<description>In response to the urgent query re: my personal wardrobe, I own eleven incarnations of the same outfit, one of which I wear every day. The Twisty uniform consists of a pair of baggy "men's" (for the pockets!) hiking shorts made from some technical fabric that air-dries in about 2 minutes and is made out of recycled soda bottles, an organic cotton T-shirt, and a $2 pair of rubber flip-flops. I have it easier than some, I admit, since I neither work in an office nor give a fuck if people want to sleep with me within 30 seconds of meeting me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to the urgent query re: my personal wardrobe, I own eleven incarnations of the same outfit, one of which I wear every day. The Twisty uniform consists of a pair of baggy &#8220;men&#8217;s&#8221; (for the pockets!) hiking shorts made from some technical fabric that air-dries in about 2 minutes and is made out of recycled soda bottles, an organic cotton T-shirt, and a $2 pair of rubber flip-flops. I have it easier than some, I admit, since I neither work in an office nor give a fuck if people want to sleep with me within 30 seconds of meeting me.</p>
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