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	<title>Comments on: Korean Sexologists: Women Lie</title>
	<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/10/26/korean-sexologists-women-lie/</link>
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		<title>By: marsha</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/10/26/korean-sexologists-women-lie/#comment-4714</link>
		<author>marsha</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/10/26/korean-sexologists-women-lie/#comment-4714</guid>
		<description>"Whereas I would suggest that contentment might as easily be achieved by not having to put out for some asshole husband who'd rather be out whoring."

HAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Whereas I would suggest that contentment might as easily be achieved by not having to put out for some asshole husband who&#8217;d rather be out whoring.&#8221;</p>
<p>HAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Mandos</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/10/26/korean-sexologists-women-lie/#comment-4715</link>
		<author>Mandos</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/10/26/korean-sexologists-women-lie/#comment-4715</guid>
		<description>"What particularly chaps the Twisty hide about this study is that it declines to accept as valid the non-sex-crazed views of the women respondents."

I didn't read it that way.  The previous paragraphs only referred to whether women thought it was *important* to have sex in a marriage, ie whether marital harmony and sexual satisfaction were related.  Most women said no.  It didn't refer to sexual satisfaction or actual quantity/quality of sex, etc, etc.  The later paragraph (the one you're objecting to) referred to whether they were satisfied with their sex lives.

What would annoy *me* about this article (if I thought these surveys were sufficiently interesting to be annoyed about them...) is the fact that it never defined what it meant to be satisfied with sex.  That women think that sexual satisfaction and marital happiness is unrelated has no bearing on that women who are satisfied with their marriages are satisfied with their sex lives.

In other words, the article says little about quantity of sex, which is the root of Twisty's complaint.  But it confuses correlation and causation by omitting that crucial piece of data.  Which always chaps *my* hide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What particularly chaps the Twisty hide about this study is that it declines to accept as valid the non-sex-crazed views of the women respondents.&#8221;</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t read it that way.  The previous paragraphs only referred to whether women thought it was *important* to have sex in a marriage, ie whether marital harmony and sexual satisfaction were related.  Most women said no.  It didn&#8217;t refer to sexual satisfaction or actual quantity/quality of sex, etc, etc.  The later paragraph (the one you&#8217;re objecting to) referred to whether they were satisfied with their sex lives.</p>
<p>What would annoy *me* about this article (if I thought these surveys were sufficiently interesting to be annoyed about them&#8230;) is the fact that it never defined what it meant to be satisfied with sex.  That women think that sexual satisfaction and marital happiness is unrelated has no bearing on that women who are satisfied with their marriages are satisfied with their sex lives.</p>
<p>In other words, the article says little about quantity of sex, which is the root of Twisty&#8217;s complaint.  But it confuses correlation and causation by omitting that crucial piece of data.  Which always chaps *my* hide.</p>
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		<title>By: Mandos</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/10/26/korean-sexologists-women-lie/#comment-4716</link>
		<author>Mandos</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/10/26/korean-sexologists-women-lie/#comment-4716</guid>
		<description>I await the inevitable "Mandos Mandos Mandos". :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I await the inevitable &#8220;Mandos Mandos Mandos&#8221;. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Twisty</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/10/26/korean-sexologists-women-lie/#comment-4717</link>
		<author>Twisty</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/10/26/korean-sexologists-women-lie/#comment-4717</guid>
		<description>Mandos, Mandos, Mandos.

In a patriarchy, "satisfied with one's sex life" &lt;i&gt;always&lt;/i&gt; means "has a lot of sex." It never, ever means "content to have little or no sex."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mandos, Mandos, Mandos.</p>
<p>In a patriarchy, &#8220;satisfied with one&#8217;s sex life&#8221; <i>always</i> means &#8220;has a lot of sex.&#8221; It never, ever means &#8220;content to have little or no sex.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Mandos</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/10/26/korean-sexologists-women-lie/#comment-4718</link>
		<author>Mandos</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/10/26/korean-sexologists-women-lie/#comment-4718</guid>
		<description>I disagree partly.  Patriarchy clearly often assumes that women are "frigid" and hence satisfied by less sex than horn-dog men.  Does it not?

And still doesn't validate what appears to be your interpretation, because it means that the article wasn't assuming that their views were invalid.

Your apparent interpretation would only be correct if the article established a relationship between womens views on the need for sex with the actual reality of sex in marriage, regardless of patriarchal assumptions about the quantity.  It never did.  It merely said that though women didn't think sex was important, there was a correlation.  It would have tipped over into your interpretation if it had said that women's marital satisfaction was caused by sexual satisfaction---particularly given patriarchy's frequent frigidity accusation.

So it stopped short with a bad statistical assumption.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree partly.  Patriarchy clearly often assumes that women are &#8220;frigid&#8221; and hence satisfied by less sex than horn-dog men.  Does it not?</p>
<p>And still doesn&#8217;t validate what appears to be your interpretation, because it means that the article wasn&#8217;t assuming that their views were invalid.</p>
<p>Your apparent interpretation would only be correct if the article established a relationship between womens views on the need for sex with the actual reality of sex in marriage, regardless of patriarchal assumptions about the quantity.  It never did.  It merely said that though women didn&#8217;t think sex was important, there was a correlation.  It would have tipped over into your interpretation if it had said that women&#8217;s marital satisfaction was caused by sexual satisfaction&#8212;particularly given patriarchy&#8217;s frequent frigidity accusation.</p>
<p>So it stopped short with a bad statistical assumption.</p>
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		<title>By: Mandos</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/10/26/korean-sexologists-women-lie/#comment-4719</link>
		<author>Mandos</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/10/26/korean-sexologists-women-lie/#comment-4719</guid>
		<description>"It would have tipped over into your interpretation if it had said that women's marital satisfaction was caused by sexual satisfaction---particularly given patriarchy's frequent frigidity accusation."

Actually I take this back.  It would have fallen under your interpretation if it had actually bothered to connect views on the *importance* of sex in marriage with the relationship between quantity of sex and actual satisfaction.  Instead it said something like,

"Despite the fact that some children don't like fresh fruit, children who eat fruit report more frequent trips to the playground."

That's what annoys me about articles like this.  I hate statistics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It would have tipped over into your interpretation if it had said that women&#8217;s marital satisfaction was caused by sexual satisfaction&#8212;particularly given patriarchy&#8217;s frequent frigidity accusation.&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually I take this back.  It would have fallen under your interpretation if it had actually bothered to connect views on the *importance* of sex in marriage with the relationship between quantity of sex and actual satisfaction.  Instead it said something like,</p>
<p>&#8220;Despite the fact that some children don&#8217;t like fresh fruit, children who eat fruit report more frequent trips to the playground.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s what annoys me about articles like this.  I hate statistics.</p>
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		<title>By: MsKate</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/10/26/korean-sexologists-women-lie/#comment-4720</link>
		<author>MsKate</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/10/26/korean-sexologists-women-lie/#comment-4720</guid>
		<description>I'd be interested to know something about the culture - such as "are nice women expected to frankly converse about a sensitive subject to interviewers in a conservative culture".  A little context here could go a long way.  It could also be that these women really do like sex, but nice ladies don't say so or don't say it is important to a marriage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d be interested to know something about the culture - such as &#8220;are nice women expected to frankly converse about a sensitive subject to interviewers in a conservative culture&#8221;.  A little context here could go a long way.  It could also be that these women really do like sex, but nice ladies don&#8217;t say so or don&#8217;t say it is important to a marriage.</p>
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		<title>By: Twisty</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/10/26/korean-sexologists-women-lie/#comment-4721</link>
		<author>Twisty</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/10/26/korean-sexologists-women-lie/#comment-4721</guid>
		<description>I concur that the article is vague on the particulars you mention. I also concur that the myth of the frigid female occurs with no small frequency in American culture. But I cannot make the same assumption about Korean culture, as I am but a Norteamericana who knows little of Korean matters.

What I'm saying is that this study accounts for an apparent disparity in its results by assuming that the women are prevaricating or are, at the very least, being disingenuous. If half of your respondents are lying, what good is your study?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I concur that the article is vague on the particulars you mention. I also concur that the myth of the frigid female occurs with no small frequency in American culture. But I cannot make the same assumption about Korean culture, as I am but a Norteamericana who knows little of Korean matters.</p>
<p>What I&#8217;m saying is that this study accounts for an apparent disparity in its results by assuming that the women are prevaricating or are, at the very least, being disingenuous. If half of your respondents are lying, what good is your study?</p>
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		<title>By: Mandos</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/10/26/korean-sexologists-women-lie/#comment-4722</link>
		<author>Mandos</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/10/26/korean-sexologists-women-lie/#comment-4722</guid>
		<description>I would be very unsurprised if the frigidity assumption also held in Korea.  I mean, the first part of the study practically screams that they believed that the frigidity assumption holds.  Mskate gives a possible reason for why it can be read that way.  Certainly I know that South Asian women, at least of a certain generation, would not want to talk about or admit to having sex.

"What I'm saying is that this study accounts for an apparent disparity in its results by assuming that the women are prevaricating or are, at the very least, being disingenuous. If half of your respondents are lying, what good is your study?"

With the "what good is your study", I'd say you are completely correct, given the article, which is a summary of some much larger work that's probably only available in Korean.  The article SUXX0Rz and if it's a reasonable summary so does the study---at least its logic and conclusions.

My point otherwise is that you can't conclude that they are saying that the female respondents are being disingenuous.  The could also just as well be saying that the women are themselves simply unaware of this relationship).  At best you can say that they think that the result is counterintuitive, even though there's no actual logical connection ever established---and the counterintuitive interpretation comes from the article-writer, not the institute, as far as we know.

The article is just bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would be very unsurprised if the frigidity assumption also held in Korea.  I mean, the first part of the study practically screams that they believed that the frigidity assumption holds.  Mskate gives a possible reason for why it can be read that way.  Certainly I know that South Asian women, at least of a certain generation, would not want to talk about or admit to having sex.</p>
<p>&#8220;What I&#8217;m saying is that this study accounts for an apparent disparity in its results by assuming that the women are prevaricating or are, at the very least, being disingenuous. If half of your respondents are lying, what good is your study?&#8221;</p>
<p>With the &#8220;what good is your study&#8221;, I&#8217;d say you are completely correct, given the article, which is a summary of some much larger work that&#8217;s probably only available in Korean.  The article SUXX0Rz and if it&#8217;s a reasonable summary so does the study&#8212;at least its logic and conclusions.</p>
<p>My point otherwise is that you can&#8217;t conclude that they are saying that the female respondents are being disingenuous.  The could also just as well be saying that the women are themselves simply unaware of this relationship).  At best you can say that they think that the result is counterintuitive, even though there&#8217;s no actual logical connection ever established&#8212;and the counterintuitive interpretation comes from the article-writer, not the institute, as far as we know.</p>
<p>The article is just bad.</p>
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		<title>By: picomoo</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/10/26/korean-sexologists-women-lie/#comment-4723</link>
		<author>picomoo</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/10/26/korean-sexologists-women-lie/#comment-4723</guid>
		<description>'I would be very unsurprised if the frigidity assumption also held in Korea. I mean, the first part of the study practically screams that they believed that the frigidity assumption holds.'

It seems that this could also point to a society where a woman's wishes simply don't matter. So the assumption is that women don't need sex just like they don't need to sit down with their husband when he eats, but should stand behind him and serve the food.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;I would be very unsurprised if the frigidity assumption also held in Korea. I mean, the first part of the study practically screams that they believed that the frigidity assumption holds.&#8217;</p>
<p>It seems that this could also point to a society where a woman&#8217;s wishes simply don&#8217;t matter. So the assumption is that women don&#8217;t need sex just like they don&#8217;t need to sit down with their husband when he eats, but should stand behind him and serve the food.</p>
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