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	<title>Comments on: Indiana College Girls: Shaving Their Way To Happiness</title>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/11/16/indiana-college-girls-shaving-their-way-to-happiness/#comment-5899</link>
		<author>Lisa</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I usually forget how unusual my Catholic, all-girls, high school experience was. Most of my fellow students were horrid, non-patriarchy haters, but the school was geared toward teaching us to be thinkers, not good Catholics. They even taught us all about birth control: the health teacher handed out booklets and then told us to write on the cover that the Catholic Church does not condone the use of birth control. She then discussed every available method. Oddly, I didn't realize how radical this was (for a Catholic school) until years later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I usually forget how unusual my Catholic, all-girls, high school experience was. Most of my fellow students were horrid, non-patriarchy haters, but the school was geared toward teaching us to be thinkers, not good Catholics. They even taught us all about birth control: the health teacher handed out booklets and then told us to write on the cover that the Catholic Church does not condone the use of birth control. She then discussed every available method. Oddly, I didn&#8217;t realize how radical this was (for a Catholic school) until years later.</p>
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		<title>By: Sara*</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/11/16/indiana-college-girls-shaving-their-way-to-happiness/#comment-5900</link>
		<author>Sara*</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So glad to read you and know that you seem to be feeling better. Love the glasses. 

I always wanted to burn bras. It seemed like a good way to keep street people warm in the cold MN winters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So glad to read you and know that you seem to be feeling better. Love the glasses. </p>
<p>I always wanted to burn bras. It seemed like a good way to keep street people warm in the cold MN winters.</p>
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		<title>By: dina</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/11/16/indiana-college-girls-shaving-their-way-to-happiness/#comment-5901</link>
		<author>dina</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/11/16/indiana-college-girls-shaving-their-way-to-happiness/#comment-5901</guid>
		<description>First, Twisty, awesome essay as usual. 

Second, it pains me to say, but this perspective is not limited to Indiana college girls. The east coast undergraduates I teach are constantly prefacing comments with phrases like "I'm not a feminist but..." and "not to sound like some man-hating feminist but.. [insert mainstream and completely un-feminist sounding thought about "men" and "women" here]" 

I would not be at all surprised if their definition of feminism revolved around body hair and burning bras.

Actually, the depression I was suffering as a result of enduring all this was what sent me searching for Twisty in the first place. I'll have to remember to thank them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, Twisty, awesome essay as usual. </p>
<p>Second, it pains me to say, but this perspective is not limited to Indiana college girls. The east coast undergraduates I teach are constantly prefacing comments with phrases like &#8220;I&#8217;m not a feminist but&#8230;&#8221; and &#8220;not to sound like some man-hating feminist but.. [insert mainstream and completely un-feminist sounding thought about &#8220;men&#8221; and &#8220;women&#8221; here]&#8221; </p>
<p>I would not be at all surprised if their definition of feminism revolved around body hair and burning bras.</p>
<p>Actually, the depression I was suffering as a result of enduring all this was what sent me searching for Twisty in the first place. I&#8217;ll have to remember to thank them.</p>
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		<title>By: Emma Goldman</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/11/16/indiana-college-girls-shaving-their-way-to-happiness/#comment-5902</link>
		<author>Emma Goldman</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will never understand why people get their undies so bunched about bras and unshaven female body parts.  Why does it matter so fucking much?  (Yeah, I could come up with an answer on my own, but the obsession is just . . . weird.)  What I understand even less is the willingness--nay, eagerness!--of women to have their pubic hair ripped out by the roots.  You will never convince me that's a good idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will never understand why people get their undies so bunched about bras and unshaven female body parts.  Why does it matter so fucking much?  (Yeah, I could come up with an answer on my own, but the obsession is just . . . weird.)  What I understand even less is the willingness&#8211;nay, eagerness!&#8211;of women to have their pubic hair ripped out by the roots.  You will never convince me that&#8217;s a good idea.</p>
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		<title>By: dina</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/11/16/indiana-college-girls-shaving-their-way-to-happiness/#comment-5903</link>
		<author>dina</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/11/16/indiana-college-girls-shaving-their-way-to-happiness/#comment-5903</guid>
		<description>First, Twisty, awesome essay as usual. 

Second, it pains me to say, but this perspective is not limited to Indiana college girls. The east coast undergraduates I teach are constantly prefacing comments with phrases like "I'm not a feminist but..." and "not to sound like some man-hating feminist but.. [insert mainstream and completely un-feminist sounding thought about "men" and "women" here]" 

I would not be at all surprised if their definition of feminism revolved around body hair and burning bras.

Actually, the depression I was suffering as a result of enduring all this was what sent me searching for Twisty in the first place. I'll have to remember to thank them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, Twisty, awesome essay as usual. </p>
<p>Second, it pains me to say, but this perspective is not limited to Indiana college girls. The east coast undergraduates I teach are constantly prefacing comments with phrases like &#8220;I&#8217;m not a feminist but&#8230;&#8221; and &#8220;not to sound like some man-hating feminist but.. [insert mainstream and completely un-feminist sounding thought about &#8220;men&#8221; and &#8220;women&#8221; here]&#8221; </p>
<p>I would not be at all surprised if their definition of feminism revolved around body hair and burning bras.</p>
<p>Actually, the depression I was suffering as a result of enduring all this was what sent me searching for Twisty in the first place. I&#8217;ll have to remember to thank them.</p>
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		<title>By: Hissy Cat</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/11/16/indiana-college-girls-shaving-their-way-to-happiness/#comment-5904</link>
		<author>Hissy Cat</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, it's true.  I'm a radical feminist and I burn bras all the time.  Ok, one time.  And only one bra.  But I did walk into my bookcase this one time (which was filled with like, 300 copies of the S.C.U.M. manifesto.  And books on witchcraft.  And lesbians.  Lesbian witchcraft!), and I knocked some incense I had burning into a pile of dirty laundry (cause feminists don't do housework, see).  Well, the incense fell right onto a bra!  And burned it!  HAHAHAHAHAHA!

Actually, I guess it was more "singed" than "burned," per se.  I mean, most of the ashy stuff came off in the wash.  Yeah, I still wear it, so what?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, it&#8217;s true.  I&#8217;m a radical feminist and I burn bras all the time.  Ok, one time.  And only one bra.  But I did walk into my bookcase this one time (which was filled with like, 300 copies of the S.C.U.M. manifesto.  And books on witchcraft.  And lesbians.  Lesbian witchcraft!), and I knocked some incense I had burning into a pile of dirty laundry (cause feminists don&#8217;t do housework, see).  Well, the incense fell right onto a bra!  And burned it!  HAHAHAHAHAHA!</p>
<p>Actually, I guess it was more &#8220;singed&#8221; than &#8220;burned,&#8221; per se.  I mean, most of the ashy stuff came off in the wash.  Yeah, I still wear it, so what?</p>
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		<title>By: Stella</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/11/16/indiana-college-girls-shaving-their-way-to-happiness/#comment-5905</link>
		<author>Stella</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What IS it with the fear of female body hair?

I pluck my straw eyebrows (when I notice and feel like), and the occasional moustache or chin hair, and I shave my legs sometimes (again, when I feel like it).

But, seriously - what is going on with all this Brazilian-waxing?!?!?  WHY would anyone DO that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What IS it with the fear of female body hair?</p>
<p>I pluck my straw eyebrows (when I notice and feel like), and the occasional moustache or chin hair, and I shave my legs sometimes (again, when I feel like it).</p>
<p>But, seriously - what is going on with all this Brazilian-waxing?!?!?  WHY would anyone DO that?</p>
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		<title>By: SneakySnu</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/11/16/indiana-college-girls-shaving-their-way-to-happiness/#comment-5906</link>
		<author>SneakySnu</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/11/16/indiana-college-girls-shaving-their-way-to-happiness/#comment-5906</guid>
		<description>I think I was most struck by this professor's observations:

&lt;i&gt;Vincent Berdeyes, a professor in the department of communication and performance studies, said it is impossible to attend Saint Mary's and not be a feminist.

"I think the thing about a women's college is that those values of feminism are woven into the institution, just educating women is a primary value," Berdeyes said. "To me it would seem an inherent contradiction between being a woman in college and being anti-feminist. There has to be some limitation or misconception about what feminism is to be able to hold that position."&lt;/i&gt;

The hell?  Oh wait, he's a communications and performance studies prof, not an historian, because if he were an historian, he might recollect that women's colleges were started not on feminist premise, but on the post-Enlightenment bourgeois idea of "female education" completing a young woman before going off to marry. 

There is nothing inherently feminist about women's colleges.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I was most struck by this professor&#8217;s observations:</p>
<p><i>Vincent Berdeyes, a professor in the department of communication and performance studies, said it is impossible to attend Saint Mary&#8217;s and not be a feminist.</p>
<p>&#8220;I think the thing about a women&#8217;s college is that those values of feminism are woven into the institution, just educating women is a primary value,&#8221; Berdeyes said. &#8220;To me it would seem an inherent contradiction between being a woman in college and being anti-feminist. There has to be some limitation or misconception about what feminism is to be able to hold that position.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>The hell?  Oh wait, he&#8217;s a communications and performance studies prof, not an historian, because if he were an historian, he might recollect that women&#8217;s colleges were started not on feminist premise, but on the post-Enlightenment bourgeois idea of &#8220;female education&#8221; completing a young woman before going off to marry. </p>
<p>There is nothing inherently feminist about women&#8217;s colleges.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/11/16/indiana-college-girls-shaving-their-way-to-happiness/#comment-5907</link>
		<author>Anonymous</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahh, shades of nostalgia.

I was in college when Mike Barnacle called our students "whiny, unshaven feminists" in the Boston Globe. We took up a collection, and sent him a largish box full of used disposable razors.

There are plenty of clean-shaven feminists, and plenty of hairy reactionaries. Though I don't get the Brazilian waxing either. Ouch!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahh, shades of nostalgia.</p>
<p>I was in college when Mike Barnacle called our students &#8220;whiny, unshaven feminists&#8221; in the Boston Globe. We took up a collection, and sent him a largish box full of used disposable razors.</p>
<p>There are plenty of clean-shaven feminists, and plenty of hairy reactionaries. Though I don&#8217;t get the Brazilian waxing either. Ouch!</p>
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		<title>By: dd</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/11/16/indiana-college-girls-shaving-their-way-to-happiness/#comment-5908</link>
		<author>dd</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seemed to me that they were more dealing with the perception of the word "feminist" than with the concept.  The word may well dredge up images from the 60s when bra-burning and non-shaving were apparently the feminist calling cards.  

Many of these students may actually be feminists along the lines of some of your own definitions, but just not really identify with that term.  

Did anybody else get that kind of a reading out of this?  These girls aren't necessarily backwards and patriarchy-loving... they just don't like the word feminist. 

Quotes like this kind of led me in that direction:

"Some people think that if you are a feminist then you are a man hater. I think a lot of people are afraid of feminists," Kensinger said. "But again, I think feminism in its most basic nature means equality, so I don't see why you wouldn't want to believe in that."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seemed to me that they were more dealing with the perception of the word &#8220;feminist&#8221; than with the concept.  The word may well dredge up images from the 60s when bra-burning and non-shaving were apparently the feminist calling cards.  </p>
<p>Many of these students may actually be feminists along the lines of some of your own definitions, but just not really identify with that term.  </p>
<p>Did anybody else get that kind of a reading out of this?  These girls aren&#8217;t necessarily backwards and patriarchy-loving&#8230; they just don&#8217;t like the word feminist. </p>
<p>Quotes like this kind of led me in that direction:</p>
<p>&#8220;Some people think that if you are a feminist then you are a man hater. I think a lot of people are afraid of feminists,&#8221; Kensinger said. &#8220;But again, I think feminism in its most basic nature means equality, so I don&#8217;t see why you wouldn&#8217;t want to believe in that.&#8221;</p>
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