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		<title>By: The continuing exploits of Britain&#8217;s merry rapists at I Blame The Patriarchy</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/12/01/rapers-delight/#comment-86875</link>
		<author>The continuing exploits of Britain&#8217;s merry rapists at I Blame The Patriarchy</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 21:16:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] be your guide you through the mists of time. November of 2005 is when Ontarioian (?) ass-carbuncle Jan Luedecke was acquitted of a rape charge on grounds that he &#8217;suffers&#8217; from a &#8216;medical [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] be your guide you through the mists of time. November of 2005 is when Ontarioian (?) ass-carbuncle Jan Luedecke was acquitted of a rape charge on grounds that he &#8217;suffers&#8217; from a &#8216;medical [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Frumious B.</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/12/01/rapers-delight/#comment-7046</link>
		<author>Frumious B.</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Dec 2005 21:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/12/01/rapers-delight/#comment-7046</guid>
		<description>This is an old thread, but still deserves comment.  As a disclaimer, I am not a medical specialist who studies sleep disorders.  It appears from the comments that no one else here is, either.  I did spend a summer working in a sleep disorders lab back in high school, so I can claim some small, probably outdated, very general knowledge of sleep disorders.  There are many types of parasomnias, which is the general name for disorders which involve getting up out of the bed and doing things that are normally done only while fully awake.  Sleepwalking is probably the most commonly known, but behaviors don't stop at just walking.  People in the midst of a parasomnic event can engage in surprisingly complex behaviors.  Here is an account of a teenager rescued a crane onto which she had sleepwalked: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8479615/ You  might think that maintaining balance while walking across a narrow, metal beam would be an act achievable only by a fully awake person.  Clearly, this is not the case.

The case which Twisty discusses is not the first time the "sleepwalking"defense has been used in a violent crime.  There have been a handful of murders which used it.  Some resulted in acquittal, some in conviction.  Google results of "sleepwalk murder" are here: http://tinyurl.com/7e2zk.  The questions raised in each of these cases are many, but here's a short list:  Can a parasomniac complete a complex action or set of actions?  (The answer to this is pretty well established as yes.)  Are the complex actions performed &lt;i&gt;in this particular case&lt;/i&gt; of the sort that a parasomniac can commit?  And most importantly, is the accused a comfirmed parasomniac?  The answers to these questions, gentle readers, are best determined by a medical professional who specializes in sleep disorders.  Parasomnia can in fact be diagnosed in a properly equiped sleep lab.  The ramifications if all who have used a parasomnia defense for violent crimes were asleep when they committed the crime are certainly far-reaching.  These people are clearly a threat to others whether they were awake or asleep.  There are treatments for parasomnia which include behavior modification (sleep hygiene) and possible medication.  I'm not sure what legal precendents exist for court enforced medical treatments.  It would be very difficult to enforce a prescription for sleep hygiene.  Plus, there is the civil rights issue.  Yes Virginia, even criminals have civil rights.

What all this boils down to is that it may be possible that Mr. Luedecke was telling the truth.  It is also possible that he was lying.  We cannot know without proper medical documentation, and none has appeared on this blog to date.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an old thread, but still deserves comment.  As a disclaimer, I am not a medical specialist who studies sleep disorders.  It appears from the comments that no one else here is, either.  I did spend a summer working in a sleep disorders lab back in high school, so I can claim some small, probably outdated, very general knowledge of sleep disorders.  There are many types of parasomnias, which is the general name for disorders which involve getting up out of the bed and doing things that are normally done only while fully awake.  Sleepwalking is probably the most commonly known, but behaviors don&#8217;t stop at just walking.  People in the midst of a parasomnic event can engage in surprisingly complex behaviors.  Here is an account of a teenager rescued a crane onto which she had sleepwalked: <a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8479615/" rel="nofollow">http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8479615/</a> You  might think that maintaining balance while walking across a narrow, metal beam would be an act achievable only by a fully awake person.  Clearly, this is not the case.</p>
<p>The case which Twisty discusses is not the first time the &#8220;sleepwalking&#8221;defense has been used in a violent crime.  There have been a handful of murders which used it.  Some resulted in acquittal, some in conviction.  Google results of &#8220;sleepwalk murder&#8221; are here: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/7e2zk." rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/7e2zk.</a>  The questions raised in each of these cases are many, but here&#8217;s a short list:  Can a parasomniac complete a complex action or set of actions?  (The answer to this is pretty well established as yes.)  Are the complex actions performed <i>in this particular case</i> of the sort that a parasomniac can commit?  And most importantly, is the accused a comfirmed parasomniac?  The answers to these questions, gentle readers, are best determined by a medical professional who specializes in sleep disorders.  Parasomnia can in fact be diagnosed in a properly equiped sleep lab.  The ramifications if all who have used a parasomnia defense for violent crimes were asleep when they committed the crime are certainly far-reaching.  These people are clearly a threat to others whether they were awake or asleep.  There are treatments for parasomnia which include behavior modification (sleep hygiene) and possible medication.  I&#8217;m not sure what legal precendents exist for court enforced medical treatments.  It would be very difficult to enforce a prescription for sleep hygiene.  Plus, there is the civil rights issue.  Yes Virginia, even criminals have civil rights.</p>
<p>What all this boils down to is that it may be possible that Mr. Luedecke was telling the truth.  It is also possible that he was lying.  We cannot know without proper medical documentation, and none has appeared on this blog to date.</p>
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		<title>By: delphyne</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/12/01/rapers-delight/#comment-6321</link>
		<author>delphyne</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/12/01/rapers-delight/#comment-6321</guid>
		<description>"Luedecke previously had sleep sex with four girlfriends, court heard."

Luedecke had previously raped four girlfriends.  How marvellous that previous crimes are now proof of innocence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Luedecke previously had sleep sex with four girlfriends, court heard.&#8221;</p>
<p>Luedecke had previously raped four girlfriends.  How marvellous that previous crimes are now proof of innocence.</p>
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		<title>By: Ms Kate</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/12/01/rapers-delight/#comment-6322</link>
		<author>Ms Kate</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/12/01/rapers-delight/#comment-6322</guid>
		<description>I'd heard of "waking up having sex" before, but usually only as a orgin myth surrounding an otherwise mysterious pregnancy.

Then again, we are talking two people who consensually went to bed together without benefit of clothing.  

So he may have gotten it on with previous girlfriends in their sleep (and I don't think that is rape, necessarily, as I have woken up in such a situation with my husband and my body was into it to), but putting on a condom and going prospecting is a new one.

And why, exactly, is this man allowed to drink AT ALL given his history?  Couldn't the court have ordered sobriety as prevention?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d heard of &#8220;waking up having sex&#8221; before, but usually only as a orgin myth surrounding an otherwise mysterious pregnancy.</p>
<p>Then again, we are talking two people who consensually went to bed together without benefit of clothing.  </p>
<p>So he may have gotten it on with previous girlfriends in their sleep (and I don&#8217;t think that is rape, necessarily, as I have woken up in such a situation with my husband and my body was into it to), but putting on a condom and going prospecting is a new one.</p>
<p>And why, exactly, is this man allowed to drink AT ALL given his history?  Couldn&#8217;t the court have ordered sobriety as prevention?</p>
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		<title>By: manxome</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/12/01/rapers-delight/#comment-6323</link>
		<author>manxome</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/12/01/rapers-delight/#comment-6323</guid>
		<description>"He only suspected he had had sex after using the bathroom and discovering he was still wearing a condom"

Because landing on the floor with your Fruit of the Looms around your ankles and a pissed off woman above you on the couch doesn't provide any hints at all. Especially when it's something that's revealed to be a standard in your relationships.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;He only suspected he had had sex after using the bathroom and discovering he was still wearing a condom&#8221;</p>
<p>Because landing on the floor with your Fruit of the Looms around your ankles and a pissed off woman above you on the couch doesn&#8217;t provide any hints at all. Especially when it&#8217;s something that&#8217;s revealed to be a standard in your relationships.</p>
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		<title>By: manxome</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/12/01/rapers-delight/#comment-6324</link>
		<author>manxome</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/12/01/rapers-delight/#comment-6324</guid>
		<description>Ms Kate, I too have woken up to "such a situation", and it's called rape. It's just not up to another person to determine, without you being available at that very moment for consent to service their emergency boner, whether you or your body would be into it or not. We are not inatimate objects. They can give consent to their damn hands.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ms Kate, I too have woken up to &#8220;such a situation&#8221;, and it&#8217;s called rape. It&#8217;s just not up to another person to determine, without you being available at that very moment for consent to service their emergency boner, whether you or your body would be into it or not. We are not inatimate objects. They can give consent to their damn hands.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/12/01/rapers-delight/#comment-6325</link>
		<author>Sarah</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/12/01/rapers-delight/#comment-6325</guid>
		<description>Even if it isn't his fault, surely he shouldn'tbe allowed to go free to do this again??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even if it isn&#8217;t his fault, surely he shouldn&#8217;tbe allowed to go free to do this again??</p>
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		<title>By: TeenageCatgirl</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/12/01/rapers-delight/#comment-6326</link>
		<author>TeenageCatgirl</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/12/01/rapers-delight/#comment-6326</guid>
		<description>Your BODY was into it? I'm guessing then your husband obtained direct permission from your vagina, which obviously fancied a bit. 

How the hell is that NOT rape? If I woke up to find my boyfriend using me as a masturbatory aid, I would literally kill him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your BODY was into it? I&#8217;m guessing then your husband obtained direct permission from your vagina, which obviously fancied a bit. </p>
<p>How the hell is that NOT rape? If I woke up to find my boyfriend using me as a masturbatory aid, I would literally kill him.</p>
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		<title>By: Joolya</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/12/01/rapers-delight/#comment-6327</link>
		<author>Joolya</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/12/01/rapers-delight/#comment-6327</guid>
		<description>&lt;i&gt;in a culture where responsibility for the male boner is the exclusive purview of women&lt;/i&gt;

And not just the perverted culture of Canada, either - this reminds me of my friend's Yeshiva school concerts, where the girls chorus could only sing in front of female friends and family because their siren-like voices (chuckle) would so tempt and arouse the males that they would be unable to control their lustful thoughts and urges about those hot seventh graders in long skirts . . . 

Gimme a frickin break. Nothing new under the sun, eh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>in a culture where responsibility for the male boner is the exclusive purview of women</i></p>
<p>And not just the perverted culture of Canada, either - this reminds me of my friend&#8217;s Yeshiva school concerts, where the girls chorus could only sing in front of female friends and family because their siren-like voices (chuckle) would so tempt and arouse the males that they would be unable to control their lustful thoughts and urges about those hot seventh graders in long skirts . . . </p>
<p>Gimme a frickin break. Nothing new under the sun, eh?</p>
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		<title>By: BitingBeaver</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/12/01/rapers-delight/#comment-6328</link>
		<author>BitingBeaver</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/12/01/rapers-delight/#comment-6328</guid>
		<description>Twisty, you rock. 

Isn't it just lovely that this judge ruled that rapists now have a lovely 'condition' which, conveniently, exhonerates them from the crime of rape. 

And Ms. Kate, I have to say that I too have woken up in that situation, as in, I was asleep and woke up (several times) with my x husbands pecker firmly implanted in my mouth. To which I screamed, slapped him silly and told him it was rape. Of course, as my husband there wasn't shit I could do to him because upon saying 'I Do' I (unknowingly) gave up any rights to my body. 

At the time I tried like hell to excuse it (for my own sanity) but it became perfectly clear what it really was later on. 

Obviously, he's my X now. 

Anyway, I'm disgusted by this and Twisty, as usual, hits the nail on the head.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Twisty, you rock. </p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t it just lovely that this judge ruled that rapists now have a lovely &#8216;condition&#8217; which, conveniently, exhonerates them from the crime of rape. </p>
<p>And Ms. Kate, I have to say that I too have woken up in that situation, as in, I was asleep and woke up (several times) with my x husbands pecker firmly implanted in my mouth. To which I screamed, slapped him silly and told him it was rape. Of course, as my husband there wasn&#8217;t shit I could do to him because upon saying &#8216;I Do&#8217; I (unknowingly) gave up any rights to my body. </p>
<p>At the time I tried like hell to excuse it (for my own sanity) but it became perfectly clear what it really was later on. </p>
<p>Obviously, he&#8217;s my X now. </p>
<p>Anyway, I&#8217;m disgusted by this and Twisty, as usual, hits the nail on the head.</p>
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