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		<title>By: kate</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/12/17/i-dislike-lucy/#comment-8081</link>
		<author>kate</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2006 05:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh my god I fell into heaven! Finally, finally finally no more women whining about how they can't leave their man because of the house...

I don't watch television and strictly controlled it with my kids, usually finding myself having to have them sit through another history lesson on why this or that really doesn't happen in the real world. Actually it wasn't so bad, (for them, I like to talk about history) I usually liked to quiz my kids on their impressions of shows like that.  So now I have three radical feminists.  Job one accomplished.  Ironically my son claims that he has the best handle on this feminist thing and can see the patriarchy's seams a million miles away.  And I tried so damn hard to not let the patriarchy spoil his fragile mind! But it creeps in, he sees himself superior and has no problem defending his position.  White patriarchy disease.    

I saw an episode of Honeymooners a few years ago for the first time and I had to turn it off.  I couldn't watch one more minute of that fat pig screaming at his wife.  I Love Lucy, Gilligan's Island, Star Trek (yes I know many like to claim that Star Trek was so far ahead because there was a black women who was like a sexy secretary), the list goes on, well just about everything on tv makes my mind twist up in knots of rage and hatred at such a popular media of patriarchy schoolery.

I work as a contractor and I love especially to get out in the field and do framing.  A 22 oz. framing hammer on a 2x whilst thinking of some moron patriarchal twit I read or hear about really gets the work done fast.  We are starting a job later this month and the Alito hearings have gotten me all warmed to do that two story addition frame-up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh my god I fell into heaven! Finally, finally finally no more women whining about how they can&#8217;t leave their man because of the house&#8230;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t watch television and strictly controlled it with my kids, usually finding myself having to have them sit through another history lesson on why this or that really doesn&#8217;t happen in the real world. Actually it wasn&#8217;t so bad, (for them, I like to talk about history) I usually liked to quiz my kids on their impressions of shows like that.  So now I have three radical feminists.  Job one accomplished.  Ironically my son claims that he has the best handle on this feminist thing and can see the patriarchy&#8217;s seams a million miles away.  And I tried so damn hard to not let the patriarchy spoil his fragile mind! But it creeps in, he sees himself superior and has no problem defending his position.  White patriarchy disease.    </p>
<p>I saw an episode of Honeymooners a few years ago for the first time and I had to turn it off.  I couldn&#8217;t watch one more minute of that fat pig screaming at his wife.  I Love Lucy, Gilligan&#8217;s Island, Star Trek (yes I know many like to claim that Star Trek was so far ahead because there was a black women who was like a sexy secretary), the list goes on, well just about everything on tv makes my mind twist up in knots of rage and hatred at such a popular media of patriarchy schoolery.</p>
<p>I work as a contractor and I love especially to get out in the field and do framing.  A 22 oz. framing hammer on a 2x whilst thinking of some moron patriarchal twit I read or hear about really gets the work done fast.  We are starting a job later this month and the Alito hearings have gotten me all warmed to do that two story addition frame-up.</p>
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		<title>By: jaye</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/12/17/i-dislike-lucy/#comment-7200</link>
		<author>jaye</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Dec 2005 07:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/12/17/i-dislike-lucy/#comment-7200</guid>
		<description>I can't watch I Love Lucy.  Even as a child I felt so uncomfortable because the humor was based on her humiliation.  Honeymooners was terrifying.  I liked Dick Van Dyke more because of Sally but she was alone because she was a smart working woman, right?  Very confusing.  Mary Tyler Moore's own show was a miracle.  Betty White's character was wonderful.  Older woman who liked sex.  I also loved Bob Newhart.  He made marriage with no children and seeing a shrink way okay!  Bewitched was ridiculous.  While I loved Elizabeth Montgomery, how dare that boring little executive-husband tell her not to use her magical power.  What a statement from the patriarchy!

I love this blog!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t watch I Love Lucy.  Even as a child I felt so uncomfortable because the humor was based on her humiliation.  Honeymooners was terrifying.  I liked Dick Van Dyke more because of Sally but she was alone because she was a smart working woman, right?  Very confusing.  Mary Tyler Moore&#8217;s own show was a miracle.  Betty White&#8217;s character was wonderful.  Older woman who liked sex.  I also loved Bob Newhart.  He made marriage with no children and seeing a shrink way okay!  Bewitched was ridiculous.  While I loved Elizabeth Montgomery, how dare that boring little executive-husband tell her not to use her magical power.  What a statement from the patriarchy!</p>
<p>I love this blog!</p>
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		<title>By: belledame222</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/12/17/i-dislike-lucy/#comment-7042</link>
		<author>belledame222</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Dec 2005 21:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/12/17/i-dislike-lucy/#comment-7042</guid>
		<description>anyway I too was a "Bewitched" fan--even before I really knew what was up, I expect I tweaked at some level that the show was gay gay gay.  How many cast members was that now?  Agnes Moorehead; dear old Uncle Alfred as played by Paul Lynde.  and one of the Dicks was, can't remember which.  Sargent, was it?  the taller thinner later guy.  I think.

As for the content--well, look, be fair.  Yes, the "women really have the power, just from backseat" meme is old as the hills, but how many shows did you have where that power extended to actually being able to turn hubby into a newt?  And if Samantha was too internalized-whatever to make full use of her powers, her mother and evil twin showed no such hesitancies toward "Darwood."  

("I Dream of Jeanie" was not at all in the same category, as Jeannie, magically gifted or not, was a ditz, and really wasn't all that powerful.  After all the chick lives in a *bottle* for crissake.  and, well, "Master..."  Oh, and she has no female allies or friends; they're all rivals.  Oh, I could go on for a whole thesis' worth, let me tell you).

and back to the original point: yes "I Love Lucy" was often repulsive, brilliant comic bits like "Vitameatavegamin" and the chocolate factory notwithstanding.  Interestingly, according to the wiki article on DA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desi_Arnaz), the show was originally pitched as more reflective of their actual lives, that is, both husband and wife were show-biz successes and were struggling to keep a normal marriage together in spite of (both) their glamourous lives; but "market research indicated that this scenario would not be popular."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>anyway I too was a &#8220;Bewitched&#8221; fan&#8211;even before I really knew what was up, I expect I tweaked at some level that the show was gay gay gay.  How many cast members was that now?  Agnes Moorehead; dear old Uncle Alfred as played by Paul Lynde.  and one of the Dicks was, can&#8217;t remember which.  Sargent, was it?  the taller thinner later guy.  I think.</p>
<p>As for the content&#8211;well, look, be fair.  Yes, the &#8220;women really have the power, just from backseat&#8221; meme is old as the hills, but how many shows did you have where that power extended to actually being able to turn hubby into a newt?  And if Samantha was too internalized-whatever to make full use of her powers, her mother and evil twin showed no such hesitancies toward &#8220;Darwood.&#8221;  </p>
<p>(&#8221;I Dream of Jeanie&#8221; was not at all in the same category, as Jeannie, magically gifted or not, was a ditz, and really wasn&#8217;t all that powerful.  After all the chick lives in a *bottle* for crissake.  and, well, &#8220;Master&#8230;&#8221;  Oh, and she has no female allies or friends; they&#8217;re all rivals.  Oh, I could go on for a whole thesis&#8217; worth, let me tell you).</p>
<p>and back to the original point: yes &#8220;I Love Lucy&#8221; was often repulsive, brilliant comic bits like &#8220;Vitameatavegamin&#8221; and the chocolate factory notwithstanding.  Interestingly, according to the wiki article on DA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desi_Arnaz), the show was originally pitched as more reflective of their actual lives, that is, both husband and wife were show-biz successes and were struggling to keep a normal marriage together in spite of (both) their glamourous lives; but &#8220;market research indicated that this scenario would not be popular.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: belledame222</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/12/17/i-dislike-lucy/#comment-7041</link>
		<author>belledame222</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Dec 2005 20:42:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/12/17/i-dislike-lucy/#comment-7041</guid>
		<description>"little-girl princess victim"

bwahahahaha!  oy, have YOU got the wrong number.

You know, every time I come across a man who thinks like that--specifically, the "little princess" bit--I think to myself, there goes another poor soul who only ever wanted to be petted and comforted and told he was sweet and special.  everyone coos and makes a fuss over little sis; she's so PRETTY, she doesn't have to DO anything, all she ever has to do is CRY and everyones loves her, what about MY feelings, huh, huh, HUH?  

yep, men are victims too.  in more ways than one.  I sympathize.  still doesn't give one license to be a patronizing asshole, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;little-girl princess victim&#8221;</p>
<p>bwahahahaha!  oy, have YOU got the wrong number.</p>
<p>You know, every time I come across a man who thinks like that&#8211;specifically, the &#8220;little princess&#8221; bit&#8211;I think to myself, there goes another poor soul who only ever wanted to be petted and comforted and told he was sweet and special.  everyone coos and makes a fuss over little sis; she&#8217;s so PRETTY, she doesn&#8217;t have to DO anything, all she ever has to do is CRY and everyones loves her, what about MY feelings, huh, huh, HUH?  </p>
<p>yep, men are victims too.  in more ways than one.  I sympathize.  still doesn&#8217;t give one license to be a patronizing asshole, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Twisty</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/12/17/i-dislike-lucy/#comment-7017</link>
		<author>Twisty</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Dec 2005 12:06:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/12/17/i-dislike-lucy/#comment-7017</guid>
		<description>Whereas we are always delighted to to welcome strays from Pandagon, it is my recommendation, DavidByron, that you take a look at the sidebar before posting here again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whereas we are always delighted to to welcome strays from Pandagon, it is my recommendation, DavidByron, that you take a look at the sidebar before posting here again.</p>
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		<title>By: manxome</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/12/17/i-dislike-lucy/#comment-7015</link>
		<author>manxome</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Dec 2005 06:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/12/17/i-dislike-lucy/#comment-7015</guid>
		<description>Patriarchy is a system, not a person. Try door number two.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patriarchy is a system, not a person. Try door number two.</p>
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		<title>By: Becker</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/12/17/i-dislike-lucy/#comment-7013</link>
		<author>Becker</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Dec 2005 02:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/12/17/i-dislike-lucy/#comment-7013</guid>
		<description>I'm not one to fight Twisty's battles for her, but as she's likely asleep I'll point out that " little-girl princess victim-me self-pitying blame-the-nearest-man for everthing feminism" is an assessment far off target in regard to this blog, and actually describes a form of feminism that only exists in your own mind.

Speaking as a guy who was molested as a child by a woman, I can bet I have decent bit of insight when it comes to sexual abuse and gender difference, and brother, when it happens to us it's a cakewalk in comparison. In fact, there is no comparison, which is why "what about us guys?" comments are, as Twisty above was too kind to point out, lameass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not one to fight Twisty&#8217;s battles for her, but as she&#8217;s likely asleep I&#8217;ll point out that &#8221; little-girl princess victim-me self-pitying blame-the-nearest-man for everthing feminism&#8221; is an assessment far off target in regard to this blog, and actually describes a form of feminism that only exists in your own mind.</p>
<p>Speaking as a guy who was molested as a child by a woman, I can bet I have decent bit of insight when it comes to sexual abuse and gender difference, and brother, when it happens to us it&#8217;s a cakewalk in comparison. In fact, there is no comparison, which is why &#8220;what about us guys?&#8221; comments are, as Twisty above was too kind to point out, lameass.</p>
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		<title>By: DavidByron</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/12/17/i-dislike-lucy/#comment-7011</link>
		<author>DavidByron</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Dec 2005 00:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/12/17/i-dislike-lucy/#comment-7011</guid>
		<description>I guess it's saying your rhetoric is 50 years out of date isn't it?  There's no patriarchy -- only the "matriarchy" nostalgic for their faux victimhood status of yesteryear.  These days it's the male roles who are best described as "an infantilized submissive with no personal sovereignty".  Did Lucy ever get raped and then have to beg forgiveness for it?  How rude of me to burst your little bubble.

I see you're one of those women (feminists that is) that think sex equality means nothing for men and everything for women (female supremacist / segregationist).  No wonder you cannot comprehend what men-as-victim could possibly have to do with a discussion of sexism.

Alternative answer: I was meant to post it in the Pandagon thread mentioned in your update and it landed here by accident.  Sorry.  

More than happy to hang around and disect your little-girl princess victim-me self-pitying blame-the-nearest-man for everthing feminism for you though.  I mean if that's what you are into as the title of this blog suggests?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess it&#8217;s saying your rhetoric is 50 years out of date isn&#8217;t it?  There&#8217;s no patriarchy &#8212; only the &#8220;matriarchy&#8221; nostalgic for their faux victimhood status of yesteryear.  These days it&#8217;s the male roles who are best described as &#8220;an infantilized submissive with no personal sovereignty&#8221;.  Did Lucy ever get raped and then have to beg forgiveness for it?  How rude of me to burst your little bubble.</p>
<p>I see you&#8217;re one of those women (feminists that is) that think sex equality means nothing for men and everything for women (female supremacist / segregationist).  No wonder you cannot comprehend what men-as-victim could possibly have to do with a discussion of sexism.</p>
<p>Alternative answer: I was meant to post it in the Pandagon thread mentioned in your update and it landed here by accident.  Sorry.  </p>
<p>More than happy to hang around and disect your little-girl princess victim-me self-pitying blame-the-nearest-man for everthing feminism for you though.  I mean if that&#8217;s what you are into as the title of this blog suggests?</p>
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		<title>By: Twisty</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/12/17/i-dislike-lucy/#comment-7002</link>
		<author>Twisty</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/12/17/i-dislike-lucy/#comment-7002</guid>
		<description>What, if anything, does this "what about the men?" comment have to do with the misogyny in "I Love Lucy"?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What, if anything, does this &#8220;what about the men?&#8221; comment have to do with the misogyny in &#8220;I Love Lucy&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: DavidByron</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/12/17/i-dislike-lucy/#comment-6999</link>
		<author>DavidByron</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:25:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2005/12/17/i-dislike-lucy/#comment-6999</guid>
		<description>I guess any romantic comedy that gets spoiled at the end when the plot demands that for the sake of all the female audience the male lead has to abjectly apologise to the female lead for doing nothing but trying to win her love for the entire movie while she plays hard to get.

If I had to pick one particularly sickening example of this it would be &lt;a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0243736/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Forty days and forty nights&lt;/a&gt;.   '...One man is about to do the unthinkable. No sex. Whatsoever. For... 40 Days and 40 Nights...'

The end of the film has the male lead, Josh Hartnett, raped by the female "bad guy". Instead of being understanding as any man would be if his girlfriend was raped, the female lead makes him abjectly apologise for being raped.

And then he's forgiven and that's the romantic end.

As the user comment on the linked to page says, "Adorably Frisky Sex Comedy That's Fair to Both Sexes".

Yup. When a man's raped he has to apologise... just like a woman who's raped would have to do. Nothing like sex equality in the films is there?  Oh hang on if a woman was ever raped on film it would be because the entire film was either a horror story or brutal crime film where her rape was held up as an example of horror (not comedy) or else the entire film would be about getting revenge on the rapist and how the rape victim suffers and overcomes the tragic event.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess any romantic comedy that gets spoiled at the end when the plot demands that for the sake of all the female audience the male lead has to abjectly apologise to the female lead for doing nothing but trying to win her love for the entire movie while she plays hard to get.</p>
<p>If I had to pick one particularly sickening example of this it would be <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0243736/" rel="nofollow">Forty days and forty nights</a>.   &#8216;&#8230;One man is about to do the unthinkable. No sex. Whatsoever. For&#8230; 40 Days and 40 Nights&#8230;&#8217;</p>
<p>The end of the film has the male lead, Josh Hartnett, raped by the female &#8220;bad guy&#8221;. Instead of being understanding as any man would be if his girlfriend was raped, the female lead makes him abjectly apologise for being raped.</p>
<p>And then he&#8217;s forgiven and that&#8217;s the romantic end.</p>
<p>As the user comment on the linked to page says, &#8220;Adorably Frisky Sex Comedy That&#8217;s Fair to Both Sexes&#8221;.</p>
<p>Yup. When a man&#8217;s raped he has to apologise&#8230; just like a woman who&#8217;s raped would have to do. Nothing like sex equality in the films is there?  Oh hang on if a woman was ever raped on film it would be because the entire film was either a horror story or brutal crime film where her rape was held up as an example of horror (not comedy) or else the entire film would be about getting revenge on the rapist and how the rape victim suffers and overcomes the tragic event.</p>
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