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	<title>Comments on: Twisty&#8217;s Injustice Korner</title>
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		<title>By: Smite Me! [.net] &#187; Blog Archive &#187; GW, Blogging for Choice &#38; Purple Nurples</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/01/18/twistys-injustice-korner/#comment-121701</link>
		<author>Smite Me! [.net] &#187; Blog Archive &#187; GW, Blogging for Choice &#38; Purple Nurples</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 21:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] who are beginning to see their rights go bye-bye in their home states. Smart women, funny women, witty women, happy women, and even thankful [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] who are beginning to see their rights go bye-bye in their home states. Smart women, funny women, witty women, happy women, and even thankful [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: tisha</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/01/18/twistys-injustice-korner/#comment-8848</link>
		<author>tisha</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2006 15:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/01/18/twistys-injustice-korner/#comment-8848</guid>
		<description>wow.  major lightbulb moment:

evpsych = modern priapism

damn!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow.  major lightbulb moment:</p>
<p>evpsych = modern priapism</p>
<p>damn!</p>
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		<title>By: Twisty</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/01/18/twistys-injustice-korner/#comment-8843</link>
		<author>Twisty</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2006 13:27:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/01/18/twistys-injustice-korner/#comment-8843</guid>
		<description>Be that as it may, it strikes me as exceedingly narrow-minded, not to mention inappropriate, to take an approbatory view of a behavior that is fundamentally detrimental to half the population. Particulary now that sex isn't even required for reproduction.

I speak of the proponents of the argument to which you allude, not of you personally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Be that as it may, it strikes me as exceedingly narrow-minded, not to mention inappropriate, to take an approbatory view of a behavior that is fundamentally detrimental to half the population. Particulary now that sex isn&#8217;t even required for reproduction.</p>
<p>I speak of the proponents of the argument to which you allude, not of you personally.</p>
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		<title>By: Mandos</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/01/18/twistys-injustice-korner/#comment-8788</link>
		<author>Mandos</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jan 2006 18:12:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/01/18/twistys-injustice-korner/#comment-8788</guid>
		<description>&lt;i&gt;So why is hardwired fuckism the only thing these evpsych dipwads ever mention in their boys-will-be-boys arguments?&lt;/i&gt;

Because evolutionary theory is centrally about successful propagation, and the genes that exist are only those that successfully propagated, and hence, it is claimed, successful organisms must be "wired" for as close an approximation to optimal propagation as possible.  Since sex is the means of propagation, they are asking the perfectly reasonable question as to what extent the human mind in involved in propagation strategies, aggregated over a population.

Whether their conclusions are right is another matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>So why is hardwired fuckism the only thing these evpsych dipwads ever mention in their boys-will-be-boys arguments?</i></p>
<p>Because evolutionary theory is centrally about successful propagation, and the genes that exist are only those that successfully propagated, and hence, it is claimed, successful organisms must be &#8220;wired&#8221; for as close an approximation to optimal propagation as possible.  Since sex is the means of propagation, they are asking the perfectly reasonable question as to what extent the human mind in involved in propagation strategies, aggregated over a population.</p>
<p>Whether their conclusions are right is another matter.</p>
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		<title>By: Violet Socks</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/01/18/twistys-injustice-korner/#comment-8750</link>
		<author>Violet Socks</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jan 2006 16:09:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/01/18/twistys-injustice-korner/#comment-8750</guid>
		<description>&lt;i&gt;Some dudes are also capable of elevated thought, moral reasoning, and fashion design&lt;/i&gt;

Sure they are, but would you cast such capabilities as distintively dudely?  Those are just human abilities, of course.  Well, maybe not the fashion design.  

And I do want to be clear that I'm not suggesting that "nature" is any argument for accepting testoterone-fueled aggression. My thinking goes something like this:  
If the male instinct for aggression didn't exist in human animals in the first place, it's unlikely that male-dominated human societies would arise.  But, in order for that male dominance to flourish, there has to be a culture that reinforces it.  In human cultures that &lt;i&gt;don't&lt;/i&gt; reinforce it, males do a much better job of disciplining whatever it is in their brains that makes them batshit crazy.  

Lesson 1:  Create a culture that doesn't reinforce male dominance!  (No shit, Sherlock.)
Lesson 2:  Doing so requires immense retraining of males and &lt;i&gt;may require constant vigilance until the end of time.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Some dudes are also capable of elevated thought, moral reasoning, and fashion design</i></p>
<p>Sure they are, but would you cast such capabilities as distintively dudely?  Those are just human abilities, of course.  Well, maybe not the fashion design.  </p>
<p>And I do want to be clear that I&#8217;m not suggesting that &#8220;nature&#8221; is any argument for accepting testoterone-fueled aggression. My thinking goes something like this:<br />
If the male instinct for aggression didn&#8217;t exist in human animals in the first place, it&#8217;s unlikely that male-dominated human societies would arise.  But, in order for that male dominance to flourish, there has to be a culture that reinforces it.  In human cultures that <i>don&#8217;t</i> reinforce it, males do a much better job of disciplining whatever it is in their brains that makes them batshit crazy.  </p>
<p>Lesson 1:  Create a culture that doesn&#8217;t reinforce male dominance!  (No shit, Sherlock.)<br />
Lesson 2:  Doing so requires immense retraining of males and <i>may require constant vigilance until the end of time.</i></p>
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		<title>By: Twisty</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/01/18/twistys-injustice-korner/#comment-8745</link>
		<author>Twisty</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jan 2006 13:23:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/01/18/twistys-injustice-korner/#comment-8745</guid>
		<description>My argument has always involved the idea that sexual competition is not the only thing to have evolved in the male brain. Some dudes are also capable of elevated thought, moral reasoning, and fashion design, which proclivities might just as easily be said to occur "in nature." So why is hardwired fuckism the only thing these evpsych dipwads ever mention in their boys-will-be-boys arguments?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My argument has always involved the idea that sexual competition is not the only thing to have evolved in the male brain. Some dudes are also capable of elevated thought, moral reasoning, and fashion design, which proclivities might just as easily be said to occur &#8220;in nature.&#8221; So why is hardwired fuckism the only thing these evpsych dipwads ever mention in their boys-will-be-boys arguments?</p>
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		<title>By: Violet Socks</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/01/18/twistys-injustice-korner/#comment-8646</link>
		<author>Violet Socks</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jan 2006 01:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/01/18/twistys-injustice-korner/#comment-8646</guid>
		<description>&lt;i&gt;That there is unexcisable aggression in male DNA that compels men to brutalize women?&lt;/i&gt;

Compels, no, but maybe predisposes.  Male aggression against females -- and particularly sexual aggression -- is pretty widespread in nature.  Humans aren't the only ones who commit rape.  The animal world is full of males bullying females, forcing them into sex, killing their offspring by other males, and other assorted delights.  That doesn't justify it by any stretch of the imagination, but I do think it's worthwhile considering.  

When it comes right down to it, males exist in nature solely as carriers of DNA.  Before sexual reproduction evolved, every living thing was female.  Sexual reproduction led to the development of organisms who don't gestate offspring, but just fertilize them.  Males are pollen bearers, sperm bearers, whatever.  Thatâ€™s their raison dâ€™etre.  Their lives are governed by sexual competition.  When you get to mammals, sexual competition involves higher levels of testosterone, which in turn probably contribute to the brutalizing of females.  

Humans are culture-bearing critters, but we're still critters.  Somebody famously described civilization as one long attempt to domesticate males.  The process continues, alas.   

Disclaimer:  Please do not construe the above as support for half-assed theories of evolutionary psychology that because something occurs â€œin nature,â€ then itâ€™s inevitable and we might as well just lie back and think of England.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>That there is unexcisable aggression in male DNA that compels men to brutalize women?</i></p>
<p>Compels, no, but maybe predisposes.  Male aggression against females &#8212; and particularly sexual aggression &#8212; is pretty widespread in nature.  Humans aren&#8217;t the only ones who commit rape.  The animal world is full of males bullying females, forcing them into sex, killing their offspring by other males, and other assorted delights.  That doesn&#8217;t justify it by any stretch of the imagination, but I do think it&#8217;s worthwhile considering.  </p>
<p>When it comes right down to it, males exist in nature solely as carriers of DNA.  Before sexual reproduction evolved, every living thing was female.  Sexual reproduction led to the development of organisms who don&#8217;t gestate offspring, but just fertilize them.  Males are pollen bearers, sperm bearers, whatever.  Thatâ€™s their raison dâ€™etre.  Their lives are governed by sexual competition.  When you get to mammals, sexual competition involves higher levels of testosterone, which in turn probably contribute to the brutalizing of females.  </p>
<p>Humans are culture-bearing critters, but we&#8217;re still critters.  Somebody famously described civilization as one long attempt to domesticate males.  The process continues, alas.   </p>
<p>Disclaimer:  Please do not construe the above as support for half-assed theories of evolutionary psychology that because something occurs â€œin nature,â€ then itâ€™s inevitable and we might as well just lie back and think of England.</p>
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		<title>By: Mandos</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/01/18/twistys-injustice-korner/#comment-8640</link>
		<author>Mandos</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jan 2006 21:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/01/18/twistys-injustice-korner/#comment-8640</guid>
		<description>Except that you're using "power" in two different senses here.  Your  "involuntary" examples are all abilities.  Your "voluntary" examples, however, are relations with other people.  Clearly the only relevant discussion here is power as in social power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Except that you&#8217;re using &#8220;power&#8221; in two different senses here.  Your  &#8220;involuntary&#8221; examples are all abilities.  Your &#8220;voluntary&#8221; examples, however, are relations with other people.  Clearly the only relevant discussion here is power as in social power.</p>
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		<title>By: Finn</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/01/18/twistys-injustice-korner/#comment-8634</link>
		<author>Finn</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jan 2006 19:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/01/18/twistys-injustice-korner/#comment-8634</guid>
		<description>"What do you do with power except control or not control? Power cannot be discussed separately from control and hence dominance."

A person can feel power to control their own lives without feeling the need to control others.

Power and control may be linked, but they do not necessitate dominance.  I would suggest there are two types of dominance:  involuntary and voluntary.

She runs faster than her sister. - involuntary

She killed her sister and stole her baby. - voluntary

He has a higher IQ than his father. - involuntary

He seized power through a violent coup.  - voluntary</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What do you do with power except control or not control? Power cannot be discussed separately from control and hence dominance.&#8221;</p>
<p>A person can feel power to control their own lives without feeling the need to control others.</p>
<p>Power and control may be linked, but they do not necessitate dominance.  I would suggest there are two types of dominance:  involuntary and voluntary.</p>
<p>She runs faster than her sister. - involuntary</p>
<p>She killed her sister and stole her baby. - voluntary</p>
<p>He has a higher IQ than his father. - involuntary</p>
<p>He seized power through a violent coup.  - voluntary</p>
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		<title>By: anne</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/01/18/twistys-injustice-korner/#comment-8625</link>
		<author>anne</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jan 2006 17:33:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/01/18/twistys-injustice-korner/#comment-8625</guid>
		<description>Absolutely fantastic post.  I can't believe I just found your blog this week!  I've been Twisty-deprived for far too long.  No more.

Thank you, Twisty and your remarkable forebrain!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely fantastic post.  I can&#8217;t believe I just found your blog this week!  I&#8217;ve been Twisty-deprived for far too long.  No more.</p>
<p>Thank you, Twisty and your remarkable forebrain!</p>
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