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		<title>By: Blogger on the Cast Iron Balcony &#187; Blog Archive &#187; My dad&#8217;s a lawyer!</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/01/28/dork-takes-issue-with-my-tone/#comment-14729</link>
		<author>Blogger on the Cast Iron Balcony &#187; Blog Archive &#187; My dad&#8217;s a lawyer!</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Mar 2006 10:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Amanda at Pandagon and Aunt Twisty are kind of mad about it, but I don&#8217;t care about those feminists. And they use big words like &#8220;Gloucesterise&#8221;. Haven&#8217;t I just said I&#8217;m not into that studying and reading shit? No matter, I&#8217;ll just call them shrill. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Amanda at Pandagon and Aunt Twisty are kind of mad about it, but I don&#8217;t care about those feminists. And they use big words like &#8220;Gloucesterise&#8221;. Haven&#8217;t I just said I&#8217;m not into that studying and reading shit? No matter, I&#8217;ll just call them shrill. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: y-girl</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/01/28/dork-takes-issue-with-my-tone/#comment-10245</link>
		<author>y-girl</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2006 19:53:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/01/28/dork-takes-issue-with-my-tone/#comment-10245</guid>
		<description>After checking out Mr. Amesâ€™ site and his many comments on othersâ€™ sites this is my, probably overly charitable, opinion:

Most of us come from a similar background, intellectually speaking.  Weâ€™ve read many of the same books and publications.  We know the history of the movement.  Weâ€™re familiar with feminist theory.  We understand the context and language.  We use the same linguistic shorthand.  For example, we understand what Happy Feminist means by the phrase â€œwomen are expected to police menâ€™s behavior.â€

Given how ill-informed many of his comments are, and how many of them seem to spring from simple misunderstanding (see his comments on Happy Feministâ€™s use of the phrase â€œwomen are expected to police menâ€™s behaviorâ€), Mr. Ames does not seem to share this background.  Yet for some reason, heâ€™s decided to jump into the discussion and share his opinions.  He reminds of men who ask me, â€œWhy donâ€™t feminists ever address [some issue on which feminists have written extensively]?â€  

I thought your â€œNotes For First-Time Visitors Who Believe They Might Enlighten The Group With Opposing Viewpointsâ€ put it pretty well.

By jumping into a discussion for which heâ€™s not sufficiently prepared and telling us what to do, heâ€™s being gallingly presumptuous and arrogant.  Itâ€™s no wonder people are annoyed with him.

So Mr. Ames, addressing your concerns about Feminismâ€™s â€œtone:â€
1) The question of whether to be sugar-sweet or a total ball-stomper, when and to what extent is as old as Feminism itself, and exists in other activist movements. Itâ€™s been amply discussed.  Your comments are simplistic and passe.  You havenâ€™t introduced us to any concepts we havenâ€™t heard before, but you have alienated us with your â€œtone.â€

2) The current trend of imagery and tone that you find â€œchurlish,â€ (ie frequent use of words like bitch or cunt, and obscene imagery), has been explained by the people using it. One example that comes immediately to mind is Bitch Magazineâ€™s explanation of their name;
http://www.bitchmagazine.com/bword.shtml
There is also an element of, dare I say, tongue firmly planted in cheek. But then I must be wrong on that. Everybody knows that feminists donâ€™t have a sense of humor, so you should take everything they say literally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After checking out Mr. Amesâ€™ site and his many comments on othersâ€™ sites this is my, probably overly charitable, opinion:</p>
<p>Most of us come from a similar background, intellectually speaking.  Weâ€™ve read many of the same books and publications.  We know the history of the movement.  Weâ€™re familiar with feminist theory.  We understand the context and language.  We use the same linguistic shorthand.  For example, we understand what Happy Feminist means by the phrase â€œwomen are expected to police menâ€™s behavior.â€</p>
<p>Given how ill-informed many of his comments are, and how many of them seem to spring from simple misunderstanding (see his comments on Happy Feministâ€™s use of the phrase â€œwomen are expected to police menâ€™s behaviorâ€), Mr. Ames does not seem to share this background.  Yet for some reason, heâ€™s decided to jump into the discussion and share his opinions.  He reminds of men who ask me, â€œWhy donâ€™t feminists ever address [some issue on which feminists have written extensively]?â€  </p>
<p>I thought your â€œNotes For First-Time Visitors Who Believe They Might Enlighten The Group With Opposing Viewpointsâ€ put it pretty well.</p>
<p>By jumping into a discussion for which heâ€™s not sufficiently prepared and telling us what to do, heâ€™s being gallingly presumptuous and arrogant.  Itâ€™s no wonder people are annoyed with him.</p>
<p>So Mr. Ames, addressing your concerns about Feminismâ€™s â€œtone:â€<br />
1) The question of whether to be sugar-sweet or a total ball-stomper, when and to what extent is as old as Feminism itself, and exists in other activist movements. Itâ€™s been amply discussed.  Your comments are simplistic and passe.  You havenâ€™t introduced us to any concepts we havenâ€™t heard before, but you have alienated us with your â€œtone.â€</p>
<p>2) The current trend of imagery and tone that you find â€œchurlish,â€ (ie frequent use of words like bitch or cunt, and obscene imagery), has been explained by the people using it. One example that comes immediately to mind is Bitch Magazineâ€™s explanation of their name;<br />
<a href="http://www.bitchmagazine.com/bword.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.bitchmagazine.com/bword.shtml</a><br />
There is also an element of, dare I say, tongue firmly planted in cheek. But then I must be wrong on that. Everybody knows that feminists donâ€™t have a sense of humor, so you should take everything they say literally.</p>
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		<title>By: The Galloping Beaver</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/01/28/dork-takes-issue-with-my-tone/#comment-10217</link>
		<author>The Galloping Beaver</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2006 17:34:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/01/28/dork-takes-issue-with-my-tone/#comment-10217</guid>
		<description>&lt;strong&gt;She was just a bit nasty. I was impressed!&lt;/strong&gt;

One of the leading hands on team, a young woman, asked for a cleaning rag. Someone handed her a shop towel and she wiped away what appeared to be blood from the butt of her rifle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>She was just a bit nasty. I was impressed!</strong></p>
<p>One of the leading hands on team, a young woman, asked for a cleaning rag. Someone handed her a shop towel and she wiped away what appeared to be blood from the butt of her rifle.</p>
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		<title>By: Elisabeth</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/01/28/dork-takes-issue-with-my-tone/#comment-10078</link>
		<author>Elisabeth</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2006 21:52:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/01/28/dork-takes-issue-with-my-tone/#comment-10078</guid>
		<description>I thought a misogamist was someone who had entered into a state of matrimony with a portion of fermented soybean paste.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought a misogamist was someone who had entered into a state of matrimony with a portion of fermented soybean paste.</p>
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		<title>By: Teenagecatgirl</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/01/28/dork-takes-issue-with-my-tone/#comment-9959</link>
		<author>Teenagecatgirl</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2006 20:59:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/01/28/dork-takes-issue-with-my-tone/#comment-9959</guid>
		<description>Astonishingly, this guy www.cooltools4men.com is even crazier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Astonishingly, this guy <a href="http://www.cooltools4men.com" rel="nofollow">www.cooltools4men.com</a> is even crazier.</p>
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		<title>By: Teenagecatgirl</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/01/28/dork-takes-issue-with-my-tone/#comment-9955</link>
		<author>Teenagecatgirl</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2006 20:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/01/28/dork-takes-issue-with-my-tone/#comment-9955</guid>
		<description>BritGirl&#62; A strangely beautiful description of incontinence, that. Very poetic!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BritGirl&gt; A strangely beautiful description of incontinence, that. Very poetic!</p>
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		<title>By: LMYC</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/01/28/dork-takes-issue-with-my-tone/#comment-9867</link>
		<author>LMYC</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2006 05:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/01/28/dork-takes-issue-with-my-tone/#comment-9867</guid>
		<description>You're "churlish?"

OMFG, I'd make this man's head explode.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re &#8220;churlish?&#8221;</p>
<p>OMFG, I&#8217;d make this man&#8217;s head explode.</p>
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		<title>By: BritGirlSF</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/01/28/dork-takes-issue-with-my-tone/#comment-9866</link>
		<author>BritGirlSF</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2006 05:43:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/01/28/dork-takes-issue-with-my-tone/#comment-9866</guid>
		<description>Being insulted by people such as Mr Ames should be considered a compliment of the highest order, don't you think? If he liked you that would be rather worrying...
TeenageCatGirl got it right - when you hear men ranting nonsensically about feminists being "shrill" what you are actually hearing is them attempting to mask the sound of the piss running gently down the inside of their own legs. And really, there's nothing less impressive than a person who pisses themselves in fear just because someone else disagrees with them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being insulted by people such as Mr Ames should be considered a compliment of the highest order, don&#8217;t you think? If he liked you that would be rather worrying&#8230;<br />
TeenageCatGirl got it right - when you hear men ranting nonsensically about feminists being &#8220;shrill&#8221; what you are actually hearing is them attempting to mask the sound of the piss running gently down the inside of their own legs. And really, there&#8217;s nothing less impressive than a person who pisses themselves in fear just because someone else disagrees with them.</p>
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		<title>By: Ancrene Wiseass</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/01/28/dork-takes-issue-with-my-tone/#comment-9850</link>
		<author>Ancrene Wiseass</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2006 23:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/01/28/dork-takes-issue-with-my-tone/#comment-9850</guid>
		<description>I agree, Laurelin. I feel like I'm falling down on the job here.

And hey, y'all, if that Americablog t-shirt-slogan-making dealio works, let me know, eh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, Laurelin. I feel like I&#8217;m falling down on the job here.</p>
<p>And hey, y&#8217;all, if that Americablog t-shirt-slogan-making dealio works, let me know, eh?</p>
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		<title>By: Laurelin</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/01/28/dork-takes-issue-with-my-tone/#comment-9810</link>
		<author>Laurelin</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He hasn't called me churlish yet... I must be doing something wrong!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He hasn&#8217;t called me churlish yet&#8230; I must be doing something wrong!</p>
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