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		<title>By: Blogger on the Cast Iron Balcony &#187; Blog Archive &#187; My dad&#8217;s a lawyer!</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/01/28/dork-takes-issue-with-my-tone/#comment-14729</link>
		<dc:creator>Blogger on the Cast Iron Balcony &#187; Blog Archive &#187; My dad&#8217;s a lawyer!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Mar 2006 10:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Amanda at Pandagon and Aunt Twisty are kind of mad about it, but I don&#8217;t care about those feminists. And they use big words like &#8220;Gloucesterise&#8221;. Haven&#8217;t I just said I&#8217;m not into that studying and reading shit? No matter, I&#8217;ll just call them shrill. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Amanda at Pandagon and Aunt Twisty are kind of mad about it, but I don&#8217;t care about those feminists. And they use big words like &#8220;Gloucesterise&#8221;. Haven&#8217;t I just said I&#8217;m not into that studying and reading shit? No matter, I&#8217;ll just call them shrill. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: y-girl</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/01/28/dork-takes-issue-with-my-tone/#comment-10245</link>
		<dc:creator>y-girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2006 19:53:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After checking out Mr. Amesâ€™ site and his many comments on othersâ€™ sites this is my, probably overly charitable, opinion:

Most of us come from a similar background, intellectually speaking.  Weâ€™ve read many of the same books and publications.  We know the history of the movement.  Weâ€™re familiar with feminist theory.  We understand the context and language.  We use the same linguistic shorthand.  For example, we understand what Happy Feminist means by the phrase â€œwomen are expected to police menâ€™s behavior.â€

Given how ill-informed many of his comments are, and how many of them seem to spring from simple misunderstanding (see his comments on Happy Feministâ€™s use of the phrase â€œwomen are expected to police menâ€™s behaviorâ€), Mr. Ames does not seem to share this background.  Yet for some reason, heâ€™s decided to jump into the discussion and share his opinions.  He reminds of men who ask me, â€œWhy donâ€™t feminists ever address [some issue on which feminists have written extensively]?â€  

I thought your â€œNotes For First-Time Visitors Who Believe They Might Enlighten The Group With Opposing Viewpointsâ€ put it pretty well.

By jumping into a discussion for which heâ€™s not sufficiently prepared and telling us what to do, heâ€™s being gallingly presumptuous and arrogant.  Itâ€™s no wonder people are annoyed with him.

So Mr. Ames, addressing your concerns about Feminismâ€™s â€œtone:â€
1) The question of whether to be sugar-sweet or a total ball-stomper, when and to what extent is as old as Feminism itself, and exists in other activist movements. Itâ€™s been amply discussed.  Your comments are simplistic and passe.  You havenâ€™t introduced us to any concepts we havenâ€™t heard before, but you have alienated us with your â€œtone.â€

2) The current trend of imagery and tone that you find â€œchurlish,â€ (ie frequent use of words like bitch or cunt, and obscene imagery), has been explained by the people using it. One example that comes immediately to mind is Bitch Magazineâ€™s explanation of their name;
http://www.bitchmagazine.com/bword.shtml
There is also an element of, dare I say, tongue firmly planted in cheek. But then I must be wrong on that. Everybody knows that feminists donâ€™t have a sense of humor, so you should take everything they say literally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After checking out Mr. Amesâ€™ site and his many comments on othersâ€™ sites this is my, probably overly charitable, opinion:</p>
<p>Most of us come from a similar background, intellectually speaking.  Weâ€™ve read many of the same books and publications.  We know the history of the movement.  Weâ€™re familiar with feminist theory.  We understand the context and language.  We use the same linguistic shorthand.  For example, we understand what Happy Feminist means by the phrase â€œwomen are expected to police menâ€™s behavior.â€</p>
<p>Given how ill-informed many of his comments are, and how many of them seem to spring from simple misunderstanding (see his comments on Happy Feministâ€™s use of the phrase â€œwomen are expected to police menâ€™s behaviorâ€), Mr. Ames does not seem to share this background.  Yet for some reason, heâ€™s decided to jump into the discussion and share his opinions.  He reminds of men who ask me, â€œWhy donâ€™t feminists ever address [some issue on which feminists have written extensively]?â€  </p>
<p>I thought your â€œNotes For First-Time Visitors Who Believe They Might Enlighten The Group With Opposing Viewpointsâ€ put it pretty well.</p>
<p>By jumping into a discussion for which heâ€™s not sufficiently prepared and telling us what to do, heâ€™s being gallingly presumptuous and arrogant.  Itâ€™s no wonder people are annoyed with him.</p>
<p>So Mr. Ames, addressing your concerns about Feminismâ€™s â€œtone:â€<br />
1) The question of whether to be sugar-sweet or a total ball-stomper, when and to what extent is as old as Feminism itself, and exists in other activist movements. Itâ€™s been amply discussed.  Your comments are simplistic and passe.  You havenâ€™t introduced us to any concepts we havenâ€™t heard before, but you have alienated us with your â€œtone.â€</p>
<p>2) The current trend of imagery and tone that you find â€œchurlish,â€ (ie frequent use of words like bitch or cunt, and obscene imagery), has been explained by the people using it. One example that comes immediately to mind is Bitch Magazineâ€™s explanation of their name;<br />
<a href="http://www.bitchmagazine.com/bword.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.bitchmagazine.com/bword.shtml</a><br />
There is also an element of, dare I say, tongue firmly planted in cheek. But then I must be wrong on that. Everybody knows that feminists donâ€™t have a sense of humor, so you should take everything they say literally.</p>
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		<title>By: The Galloping Beaver</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/01/28/dork-takes-issue-with-my-tone/#comment-10217</link>
		<dc:creator>The Galloping Beaver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2006 17:34:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;She was just a bit nasty. I was impressed!&lt;/strong&gt;

One of the leading hands on team, a young woman, asked for a cleaning rag. Someone handed her a shop towel and she wiped away what appeared to be blood from the butt of her rifle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>She was just a bit nasty. I was impressed!</strong></p>
<p>One of the leading hands on team, a young woman, asked for a cleaning rag. Someone handed her a shop towel and she wiped away what appeared to be blood from the butt of her rifle.</p>
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		<title>By: Elisabeth</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/01/28/dork-takes-issue-with-my-tone/#comment-10078</link>
		<dc:creator>Elisabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2006 21:52:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought a misogamist was someone who had entered into a state of matrimony with a portion of fermented soybean paste.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought a misogamist was someone who had entered into a state of matrimony with a portion of fermented soybean paste.</p>
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		<title>By: Teenagecatgirl</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/01/28/dork-takes-issue-with-my-tone/#comment-9959</link>
		<dc:creator>Teenagecatgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2006 20:59:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Astonishingly, this guy www.cooltools4men.com is even crazier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Astonishingly, this guy <a href="http://www.cooltools4men.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.cooltools4men.com</a> is even crazier.</p>
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		<title>By: Teenagecatgirl</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/01/28/dork-takes-issue-with-my-tone/#comment-9955</link>
		<dc:creator>Teenagecatgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2006 20:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BritGirl&gt; A strangely beautiful description of incontinence, that. Very poetic!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BritGirl&gt; A strangely beautiful description of incontinence, that. Very poetic!</p>
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		<title>By: LMYC</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/01/28/dork-takes-issue-with-my-tone/#comment-9867</link>
		<dc:creator>LMYC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2006 05:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re &quot;churlish?&quot;

OMFG, I&#039;d make this man&#039;s head explode.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re &#8220;churlish?&#8221;</p>
<p>OMFG, I&#8217;d make this man&#8217;s head explode.</p>
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		<title>By: BritGirlSF</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/01/28/dork-takes-issue-with-my-tone/#comment-9866</link>
		<dc:creator>BritGirlSF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2006 05:43:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being insulted by people such as Mr Ames should be considered a compliment of the highest order, don&#039;t you think? If he liked you that would be rather worrying...
TeenageCatGirl got it right - when you hear men ranting nonsensically about feminists being &quot;shrill&quot; what you are actually hearing is them attempting to mask the sound of the piss running gently down the inside of their own legs. And really, there&#039;s nothing less impressive than a person who pisses themselves in fear just because someone else disagrees with them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being insulted by people such as Mr Ames should be considered a compliment of the highest order, don&#8217;t you think? If he liked you that would be rather worrying&#8230;<br />
TeenageCatGirl got it right &#8211; when you hear men ranting nonsensically about feminists being &#8220;shrill&#8221; what you are actually hearing is them attempting to mask the sound of the piss running gently down the inside of their own legs. And really, there&#8217;s nothing less impressive than a person who pisses themselves in fear just because someone else disagrees with them.</p>
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		<title>By: Ancrene Wiseass</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/01/28/dork-takes-issue-with-my-tone/#comment-9850</link>
		<dc:creator>Ancrene Wiseass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2006 23:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, Laurelin. I feel like I&#039;m falling down on the job here.

And hey, y&#039;all, if that Americablog t-shirt-slogan-making dealio works, let me know, eh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, Laurelin. I feel like I&#8217;m falling down on the job here.</p>
<p>And hey, y&#8217;all, if that Americablog t-shirt-slogan-making dealio works, let me know, eh?</p>
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		<title>By: Laurelin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laurelin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He hasn&#039;t called me churlish yet... I must be doing something wrong!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He hasn&#8217;t called me churlish yet&#8230; I must be doing something wrong!</p>
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