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		<title>By: BlogHer [beta]</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/02/01/my-jarring-experience/#comment-10629</link>
		<author>BlogHer [beta]</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2006 03:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Quote o' the Month: Andrew Riddles at Chandrasutra&lt;/strong&gt;

This Quote o' the Month is from the comments thread to an excellent piece of analysis at Chandrasutra regarding the James Frey controversy.
It's also a relatively tangled nest of quotes for my series. Enjoy the complexity!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Quote o&#8217; the Month: Andrew Riddles at Chandrasutra</strong></p>
<p>This Quote o&#8217; the Month is from the comments thread to an excellent piece of analysis at Chandrasutra regarding the James Frey controversy.<br />
It&#8217;s also a relatively tangled nest of quotes for my series. Enjoy the complexity!<br />
This comment, left by Andre&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: piny</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/02/01/my-jarring-experience/#comment-10512</link>
		<author>piny</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2006 01:18:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Thereâ€™s Margaret Edson, who wrote â€œWit,â€&lt;/em&gt;

Yes!  

And do you know, the guy who wrote the stage play that became &lt;em&gt;Stage Beauty&lt;/em&gt; came to talk to our playwrighting class and mentioned her.  He told this anecdote about how she'd submitted &lt;em&gt;W;t&lt;/em&gt; for some contest and was rejected by the judge because, as a lowly (female) kindergarten teacher rather than a (probably male) grad student, she was less likely to write more plays and therefore less deserving of patronage and acclaim.  Stage-Beauty guy had no problem with this rubric, of course. 

Motherfucker.  &lt;em&gt;Stage Beauty&lt;/em&gt; blew dead wharf rats, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Thereâ€™s Margaret Edson, who wrote â€œWit,â€</em></p>
<p>Yes!  </p>
<p>And do you know, the guy who wrote the stage play that became <em>Stage Beauty</em> came to talk to our playwrighting class and mentioned her.  He told this anecdote about how she&#8217;d submitted <em>W;t</em> for some contest and was rejected by the judge because, as a lowly (female) kindergarten teacher rather than a (probably male) grad student, she was less likely to write more plays and therefore less deserving of patronage and acclaim.  Stage-Beauty guy had no problem with this rubric, of course. </p>
<p>Motherfucker.  <em>Stage Beauty</em> blew dead wharf rats, too.</p>
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		<title>By: SimoneDB</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/02/01/my-jarring-experience/#comment-10460</link>
		<author>SimoneDB</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2006 18:39:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: women playwrights ... I think you're about right, Piny.  There's Margaret Edson, who wrote "Wit," and people like Betty Comden, who wrote lyrics for all kinds of musicals in the 1940s and '50s, such as "Wonderful Town" and "On The Town," both of which were scored by Leonard Bernstein, but I'm having a hard time adding to your list.  I was going to list Muriel Spark, but she wrote the novel "The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie," not the play.

Regarding Anna Deavere Smith:   she just spoke at my university's MLK Day comemoration, and what an amazing writer and performer!'

From the 18th Century: Joanna Baillie, Alicia LeFanu, ??
From the Irish Renaisance of the early 20th century: Maud Gonne and Lady Augusta Gregory ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: women playwrights &#8230; I think you&#8217;re about right, Piny.  There&#8217;s Margaret Edson, who wrote &#8220;Wit,&#8221; and people like Betty Comden, who wrote lyrics for all kinds of musicals in the 1940s and &#8217;50s, such as &#8220;Wonderful Town&#8221; and &#8220;On The Town,&#8221; both of which were scored by Leonard Bernstein, but I&#8217;m having a hard time adding to your list.  I was going to list Muriel Spark, but she wrote the novel &#8220;The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie,&#8221; not the play.</p>
<p>Regarding Anna Deavere Smith:   she just spoke at my university&#8217;s MLK Day comemoration, and what an amazing writer and performer!&#8217;</p>
<p>From the 18th Century: Joanna Baillie, Alicia LeFanu, ??<br />
From the Irish Renaisance of the early 20th century: Maud Gonne and Lady Augusta Gregory &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: SimoneDB</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/02/01/my-jarring-experience/#comment-10455</link>
		<author>SimoneDB</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2006 18:16:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joining the party late ... I logged on to say, basically, what Piny does, right up front: that My Fair Lady totally destroys the message of Shaw's play, "Pygmalion," in which Eliza Doolittle, exploited protege of unctious 'Enry 'Iggins for the nice working class bloke who runs a flower store and treats her with respect. 

However, there's at least two more situations ripe for patriarchy-blaming here:
1.  Although Julie Andrews originated and received many awards for the role of Eliza on Broadway, she wasn't cast in the film version because she didn't look like a Hollywood ingenue.

2.To add further insult to injury, Audrey Hepburn didn't do vocals in "My Fair Lady."  The &lt;i&gt;uncredited&lt;/i&gt; voice belongs to &lt;a href="http://www.curtainup.com/marninixon.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Marni&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href="http://www.bach-cantatas.com/Bio/Nixon-Marni.htm" rel="nofollow"&gt; Nixon&lt;/a&gt;, who also sang Natalie Woods' songs in &lt;a href="http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0633262/" rel="nofollow"&gt;"West Side Story."&lt;/a&gt;

So what did Julie do after not being cast in "My Fair Fair Lady"?  Well, she got the lead in "Mary Poppins" in which, I guess, she didn't need to be a glamour-puss, and the rest is &lt;a href="http://www.filmsite.org/myfa.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;history&lt;/a&gt;:
"Ironically, Julie Andrews was awarded a Best Actress Academy Award for her role in Disney's competing film Mary Poppins, and Hepburn failed to receive a nomination for her part. "

Weirdly, &lt;a href="http://www.bach-cantatas.com/Bio/Nixon-Marni.htm" rel="nofollow"&gt;Marni Nixon&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="http://www.starpulse.com/Actresses/Andrews,_Julie/Pictures/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Julie Andrews&lt;/a&gt; share a striking physical resemblance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joining the party late &#8230; I logged on to say, basically, what Piny does, right up front: that My Fair Lady totally destroys the message of Shaw&#8217;s play, &#8220;Pygmalion,&#8221; in which Eliza Doolittle, exploited protege of unctious &#8216;Enry &#8216;Iggins for the nice working class bloke who runs a flower store and treats her with respect. </p>
<p>However, there&#8217;s at least two more situations ripe for patriarchy-blaming here:<br />
1.  Although Julie Andrews originated and received many awards for the role of Eliza on Broadway, she wasn&#8217;t cast in the film version because she didn&#8217;t look like a Hollywood ingenue.</p>
<p>2.To add further insult to injury, Audrey Hepburn didn&#8217;t do vocals in &#8220;My Fair Lady.&#8221;  The <i>uncredited</i> voice belongs to <a href="http://www.curtainup.com/marninixon.html" rel="nofollow">Marni</a> <a href="http://www.bach-cantatas.com/Bio/Nixon-Marni.htm" rel="nofollow"> Nixon</a>, who also sang Natalie Woods&#8217; songs in <a href="http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0633262/" rel="nofollow">&#8220;West Side Story.&#8221;</a></p>
<p>So what did Julie do after not being cast in &#8220;My Fair Fair Lady&#8221;?  Well, she got the lead in &#8220;Mary Poppins&#8221; in which, I guess, she didn&#8217;t need to be a glamour-puss, and the rest is <a href="http://www.filmsite.org/myfa.html" rel="nofollow">history</a>:<br />
&#8220;Ironically, Julie Andrews was awarded a Best Actress Academy Award for her role in Disney&#8217;s competing film Mary Poppins, and Hepburn failed to receive a nomination for her part. &#8221;</p>
<p>Weirdly, <a href="http://www.bach-cantatas.com/Bio/Nixon-Marni.htm" rel="nofollow">Marni Nixon</a> and <a href="http://www.starpulse.com/Actresses/Andrews,_Julie/Pictures/" rel="nofollow">Julie Andrews</a> share a striking physical resemblance.</p>
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		<title>By: piny</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/02/01/my-jarring-experience/#comment-10404</link>
		<author>piny</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2006 01:09:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and Sarah Jones, she of the spurious FCC indecency charge:

http://www.pfaw.org/pfaw/general/default.aspx?oid=3082</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and Sarah Jones, she of the spurious FCC indecency charge:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.pfaw.org/pfaw/general/default.aspx?oid=3082" rel="nofollow">http://www.pfaw.org/pfaw/general/default.aspx?oid=3082</a></p>
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		<title>By: piny</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/02/01/my-jarring-experience/#comment-10403</link>
		<author>piny</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2006 00:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Iâ€™m finding it hard to think of too many others, and yes, where are the mainstream women playwrights?&lt;/em&gt;

The late, lamented Wendy Wasserstein.  Paula Vogel is an awesome playwright, although I don't know how mainstream she is.  I know that her plays have been produced all over the country.  &lt;em&gt;How I Learned to Drive&lt;/em&gt; is incredible.  Mary Zimmerman is another playwright who's kinda famous; she wrote &lt;em&gt;Metamorphoses&lt;/em&gt;, an adaptation of Ovid's work.  Suzan Lori-Parks is incredible; so's Rebecca Gilman.  There's also Eve Ensler, Shay Youngblood, Anna Deavere Smith, Alice Tuan, Ntozake Shange, Alice Childress, Maria Irene Fornes, and Caryl Churchill now.  Lillian Hellman, Lorraine Hansberry, Jean Kerr, Tina Howe, Beth Henley, in the recent past.  And Maurine Dallas Watkins, who wrote Chicago.  

Oh, and Aphra Behn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Iâ€™m finding it hard to think of too many others, and yes, where are the mainstream women playwrights?</em></p>
<p>The late, lamented Wendy Wasserstein.  Paula Vogel is an awesome playwright, although I don&#8217;t know how mainstream she is.  I know that her plays have been produced all over the country.  <em>How I Learned to Drive</em> is incredible.  Mary Zimmerman is another playwright who&#8217;s kinda famous; she wrote <em>Metamorphoses</em>, an adaptation of Ovid&#8217;s work.  Suzan Lori-Parks is incredible; so&#8217;s Rebecca Gilman.  There&#8217;s also Eve Ensler, Shay Youngblood, Anna Deavere Smith, Alice Tuan, Ntozake Shange, Alice Childress, Maria Irene Fornes, and Caryl Churchill now.  Lillian Hellman, Lorraine Hansberry, Jean Kerr, Tina Howe, Beth Henley, in the recent past.  And Maurine Dallas Watkins, who wrote Chicago.  </p>
<p>Oh, and Aphra Behn.</p>
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		<title>By: tigtog</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/02/01/my-jarring-experience/#comment-10399</link>
		<author>tigtog</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2006 00:09:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't know about &lt;i&gt;improving&lt;/i&gt; on Shakespeare, but there are some playwrights who give women a voice of their own.  Tennessee Williams writes screwed-up women, but at least they seem real. And his men are screwed up too. I know a bad director can let Tennessee's plays just get histrionic and whiny, but they're actually written better than that.

Lewis John Carlino's &lt;i&gt;Cages:Snowangel&lt;/i&gt; is a phenomenal part, but she is a prostitute, which is a patriarchal bummer.

Alan Bennett writes well for women, especially in his &lt;i&gt;Talking Heads&lt;/i&gt; series. Most of his work does a lot of implicit patriarchy-blaming, too.

I'm finding it hard to think of too many others, and yes, where are the mainstream women playwrights?

This reminds me of being in drama school and being great friends with one of the instructors, who I regularly drove home as it was only a few blocks out of my way home to hubby.  We talked of many things, and he was witty and snarky and while sexist it didn't bother me too much.  We both liked SF, and I lent him a Hugo and Nebula award-winning Lois McMaster Bujold novel.  When he gave it back, he didn't say "thanks but I don't like her writing" - he said "yup, women can't write science fiction". I never liked him quite so much after that.

This is the entrenched privilege women are up against.  If a woman fails, it is considered proof of something about women as a class rather than just that person's capabilities.  A man who fails to achieve a goal isn't considered to represent an entire gender in the same way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know about <i>improving</i> on Shakespeare, but there are some playwrights who give women a voice of their own.  Tennessee Williams writes screwed-up women, but at least they seem real. And his men are screwed up too. I know a bad director can let Tennessee&#8217;s plays just get histrionic and whiny, but they&#8217;re actually written better than that.</p>
<p>Lewis John Carlino&#8217;s <i>Cages:Snowangel</i> is a phenomenal part, but she is a prostitute, which is a patriarchal bummer.</p>
<p>Alan Bennett writes well for women, especially in his <i>Talking Heads</i> series. Most of his work does a lot of implicit patriarchy-blaming, too.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m finding it hard to think of too many others, and yes, where are the mainstream women playwrights?</p>
<p>This reminds me of being in drama school and being great friends with one of the instructors, who I regularly drove home as it was only a few blocks out of my way home to hubby.  We talked of many things, and he was witty and snarky and while sexist it didn&#8217;t bother me too much.  We both liked SF, and I lent him a Hugo and Nebula award-winning Lois McMaster Bujold novel.  When he gave it back, he didn&#8217;t say &#8220;thanks but I don&#8217;t like her writing&#8221; - he said &#8220;yup, women can&#8217;t write science fiction&#8221;. I never liked him quite so much after that.</p>
<p>This is the entrenched privilege women are up against.  If a woman fails, it is considered proof of something about women as a class rather than just that person&#8217;s capabilities.  A man who fails to achieve a goal isn&#8217;t considered to represent an entire gender in the same way.</p>
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		<title>By: NancyMc</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/02/01/my-jarring-experience/#comment-10298</link>
		<author>NancyMc</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2006 08:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cass, I'm well aware of all the lost plays of the ancient Greeks. Maybe they had lots of fabulous roles for women - but I'm arguing about what we know for sure, rather than speculation.

LMYC - when I asked for examples of writers with a better track record than Shakespeare on women's roles, I certainly wasn't excluding non-mainstream writers. So if you know of any who improve on Shakespeare, please share.

In my experience most non-mainstream is just as bad. And in part because even non-mainstream, although to a lesser extent, is stil dominated by men.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cass, I&#8217;m well aware of all the lost plays of the ancient Greeks. Maybe they had lots of fabulous roles for women - but I&#8217;m arguing about what we know for sure, rather than speculation.</p>
<p>LMYC - when I asked for examples of writers with a better track record than Shakespeare on women&#8217;s roles, I certainly wasn&#8217;t excluding non-mainstream writers. So if you know of any who improve on Shakespeare, please share.</p>
<p>In my experience most non-mainstream is just as bad. And in part because even non-mainstream, although to a lesser extent, is stil dominated by men.</p>
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		<title>By: Geekery Today</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/02/01/my-jarring-experience/#comment-10295</link>
		<author>Geekery Today</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2006 05:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Thursday lazy linking&lt;/strong&gt;

This week around the web&#8230; Pam Spaulding @ Pandagon (2006-01-31): A Towering Figure is Gone remembers the life and legacy of Coretta Scott King: This...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Thursday lazy linking</strong></p>
<p>This week around the web&#8230; Pam Spaulding @ Pandagon (2006-01-31): A Towering Figure is Gone remembers the life and legacy of Coretta Scott King: This&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Cass</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/02/01/my-jarring-experience/#comment-10287</link>
		<author>Cass</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2006 02:41:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NancyMc: I'm not interested in pitting any writer against another, and I didn't mean to question Shakespeare's obvious genius. If, however,  want to compare writers, its important for the sake of fairness to remember the great majority of Greek tragedies have been lost. More of Euripides survives than any of his fellow playwrights, but even then, it only amounts to 18 or so out of possibly 90-plus original works. God only knows what kind of fabulous female characters may, even now, be written down on papyrus and laying in an ancient trash dump, somewhere under a Beirut high-rise...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NancyMc: I&#8217;m not interested in pitting any writer against another, and I didn&#8217;t mean to question Shakespeare&#8217;s obvious genius. If, however,  want to compare writers, its important for the sake of fairness to remember the great majority of Greek tragedies have been lost. More of Euripides survives than any of his fellow playwrights, but even then, it only amounts to 18 or so out of possibly 90-plus original works. God only knows what kind of fabulous female characters may, even now, be written down on papyrus and laying in an ancient trash dump, somewhere under a Beirut high-rise&#8230;</p>
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