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		<title>By: pharmacy</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/02/05/may-we-live-long-and-die-out/#comment-21623</link>
		<author>pharmacy</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jun 2006 06:18:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;pharmacy...&lt;/strong&gt;

pharmacy
It is easy to find fault, if one has that disposition.  There was once a man
who, not being able to find any other fault with his coal, complained that
there were too many prehistoric toads in it.
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<p>pharmacy<br />
It is easy to find fault, if one has that disposition.  There was once a man<br />
who, not being able to find any other fault with his coal, complained that<br />
there were too many prehistoric toads in it.<br />
		&#8211; Mark Twain, &#8220;Pudd&#8217;nhead Wilson&#8217;s Calen&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Sign me up for the war on Easter at Pandagon</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/02/05/may-we-live-long-and-die-out/#comment-16874</link>
		<author>Sign me up for the war on Easter at Pandagon</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Apr 2006 18:34:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/02/05/may-we-live-long-and-die-out/#comment-16874</guid>
		<description>[...] I don&#8217;t begrudge our ancestors who were both ignorant of science and who suffered realistic fears that the human race could die out their right to have a little fertility worship. But luckily, we don&#8217;t live like that&#8211;in fact, the opposite. Science has demystified reproduction and human beings crossed a line a long time ago where there are way too fucking many of us and we&#8217;re both destroying the enviroment and straining the resources we need to survive. Like Twisty says, &#8220;May we live long and die out.&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] I don&#8217;t begrudge our ancestors who were both ignorant of science and who suffered realistic fears that the human race could die out their right to have a little fertility worship. But luckily, we don&#8217;t live like that&#8211;in fact, the opposite. Science has demystified reproduction and human beings crossed a line a long time ago where there are way too fucking many of us and we&#8217;re both destroying the enviroment and straining the resources we need to survive. Like Twisty says, &#8220;May we live long and die out.&#8221; [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Weâ€™d know a significantly larger number of people who had FUCKED A PANDA BEAR! at Pandagon</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/02/05/may-we-live-long-and-die-out/#comment-14636</link>
		<author>Weâ€™d know a significantly larger number of people who had FUCKED A PANDA BEAR! at Pandagon</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Mar 2006 00:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] They have some funny jokes going at Wonkette, but my only thought was, &#8220;I wish people could give birth to pandas instead of babies, because babies, unlike pandas, aren&#8217;t an endangered species. In fact, the opposite.&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] They have some funny jokes going at Wonkette, but my only thought was, &#8220;I wish people could give birth to pandas instead of babies, because babies, unlike pandas, aren&#8217;t an endangered species. In fact, the opposite.&#8221; [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Clarke</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/02/05/may-we-live-long-and-die-out/#comment-11217</link>
		<author>Chris Clarke</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2006 01:42:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/02/05/may-we-live-long-and-die-out/#comment-11217</guid>
		<description>Oh, piny, how you do go on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, piny, how you do go on.</p>
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		<title>By: piny</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/02/05/may-we-live-long-and-die-out/#comment-11207</link>
		<author>piny</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2006 23:54:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/02/05/may-we-live-long-and-die-out/#comment-11207</guid>
		<description>Hee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hee.</p>
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		<title>By: Luckynkl</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/02/05/may-we-live-long-and-die-out/#comment-11137</link>
		<author>Luckynkl</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2006 03:26:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/02/05/may-we-live-long-and-die-out/#comment-11137</guid>
		<description>So much for peace....

I guess you sure told me off, huh Piny?  Feel all better now?  Good.  Cuz the patriarchy is laughing their asses off at us right now.   Why the patriarchs count on feminism not having a snowball's chance in hell of succeeding, they tell me, is because women cannot get along.  They can bet the farm that women in any group will turn on each other.  I hate it when they're right.  Don't you?

Now this is trivial, pissy ass shit you're going off about.  Is it really all that important to you?  To power trip other women?  I'm not impressed.  What will impress me is when you keep your focus where it needs to be and you start taking the patriarchy on.

And no, I wasn't being condescending to Nancy.  I find her rather bright.  Thus my remark, "Surely you're aware of this?"  Do not project what you would mean by it if you said it onto me.  You'll make an ass out of yourself.

Now I've been trying really, really hard to be patient with you.  As I'm sure more than a few people who I'm sure are watching this thread and holding their breath right now can testify to.  Now stop trying to get into a pissing contest with me.  I'm out of your league.

Now take your meds and go take a nap.  High blood pressure isn't good for you.  And maybe when you wake up tomorrow, you'll feel better, and put your focus where it needs to be.  Not on me.  But on the patriarchy.

I won't be responding to you on this thread again.  I've got better things to do with my time than to deal with this stupid middle school crap.  How's that for condescending?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So much for peace&#8230;.</p>
<p>I guess you sure told me off, huh Piny?  Feel all better now?  Good.  Cuz the patriarchy is laughing their asses off at us right now.   Why the patriarchs count on feminism not having a snowball&#8217;s chance in hell of succeeding, they tell me, is because women cannot get along.  They can bet the farm that women in any group will turn on each other.  I hate it when they&#8217;re right.  Don&#8217;t you?</p>
<p>Now this is trivial, pissy ass shit you&#8217;re going off about.  Is it really all that important to you?  To power trip other women?  I&#8217;m not impressed.  What will impress me is when you keep your focus where it needs to be and you start taking the patriarchy on.</p>
<p>And no, I wasn&#8217;t being condescending to Nancy.  I find her rather bright.  Thus my remark, &#8220;Surely you&#8217;re aware of this?&#8221;  Do not project what you would mean by it if you said it onto me.  You&#8217;ll make an ass out of yourself.</p>
<p>Now I&#8217;ve been trying really, really hard to be patient with you.  As I&#8217;m sure more than a few people who I&#8217;m sure are watching this thread and holding their breath right now can testify to.  Now stop trying to get into a pissing contest with me.  I&#8217;m out of your league.</p>
<p>Now take your meds and go take a nap.  High blood pressure isn&#8217;t good for you.  And maybe when you wake up tomorrow, you&#8217;ll feel better, and put your focus where it needs to be.  Not on me.  But on the patriarchy.</p>
<p>I won&#8217;t be responding to you on this thread again.  I&#8217;ve got better things to do with my time than to deal with this stupid middle school crap.  How&#8217;s that for condescending?</p>
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		<title>By: BlogHer [beta]</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/02/05/may-we-live-long-and-die-out/#comment-11122</link>
		<author>BlogHer [beta]</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2006 21:15:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;No pink ribbons for Twisty.&lt;/strong&gt;

I did not catch on to the sheer brilliance that is I Blame the Patriarchy until my dear friend Janeen Armstrong of destinations journey of a restless mind spent a half hour last year at BlogHer singing the praises of I Blame the Patriarchy's anonymous...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>No pink ribbons for Twisty.</strong></p>
<p>I did not catch on to the sheer brilliance that is I Blame the Patriarchy until my dear friend Janeen Armstrong of destinations journey of a restless mind spent a half hour last year at BlogHer singing the praises of I Blame the Patriarchy&#8217;s anonymous&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: piny</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/02/05/may-we-live-long-and-die-out/#comment-11106</link>
		<author>piny</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2006 18:07:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/02/05/may-we-live-long-and-die-out/#comment-11106</guid>
		<description>&lt;em&gt;That said, I already know that Nancy said â€œwhoâ€™s arguing that women ought to be sterilized?â€ I certainly wasnâ€™t arguing it either. What I was talking about was choice. And how women are being denied that choice. So that even if one wants to be sterilized, they are denied the option of making that choice.

Now what was so awful about what I said that got your panties all up in bunch? Did you not agree with what I said? If not, then what was the purpose of your post?&lt;/em&gt;

Because you acted as though she needed to be told--and now you're acting as though I need to be told.  "Surely you're aware of that?"  It was extremely condescending.  That's why.  And you still don't understand what I'm saying: it makes no sense to assume that feminist commenters here on this feminist blog with a focus on evaluating reproductive rights from a feminist standpoint are not arguing with the above information in mind.  When you do that, you insult us.  

&lt;em&gt;Now kindly chill out, woman. Iâ€™m on your side. Ok?&lt;/em&gt;

Don't make me out to be a sister-punisher, or make my comments out to be anti-feminist, and then tell me you're on my side.  With friends like you, who needs my last ex?  And don't insult me for a full paragraph--"I bet you thought yourself clever and witty"--because I was sarcastic in a comment on a blog thread and then tell me to chill out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>That said, I already know that Nancy said â€œwhoâ€™s arguing that women ought to be sterilized?â€ I certainly wasnâ€™t arguing it either. What I was talking about was choice. And how women are being denied that choice. So that even if one wants to be sterilized, they are denied the option of making that choice.</p>
<p>Now what was so awful about what I said that got your panties all up in bunch? Did you not agree with what I said? If not, then what was the purpose of your post?</em></p>
<p>Because you acted as though she needed to be told&#8211;and now you&#8217;re acting as though I need to be told.  &#8220;Surely you&#8217;re aware of that?&#8221;  It was extremely condescending.  That&#8217;s why.  And you still don&#8217;t understand what I&#8217;m saying: it makes no sense to assume that feminist commenters here on this feminist blog with a focus on evaluating reproductive rights from a feminist standpoint are not arguing with the above information in mind.  When you do that, you insult us.  </p>
<p><em>Now kindly chill out, woman. Iâ€™m on your side. Ok?</em></p>
<p>Don&#8217;t make me out to be a sister-punisher, or make my comments out to be anti-feminist, and then tell me you&#8217;re on my side.  With friends like you, who needs my last ex?  And don&#8217;t insult me for a full paragraph&#8211;&#8221;I bet you thought yourself clever and witty&#8221;&#8211;because I was sarcastic in a comment on a blog thread and then tell me to chill out.</p>
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		<title>By: piny</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/02/05/may-we-live-long-and-die-out/#comment-11105</link>
		<author>piny</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2006 17:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/02/05/may-we-live-long-and-die-out/#comment-11105</guid>
		<description>&lt;em&gt;LOL, Piny. Iâ€™ll bet you thought yourself clever and witty. But donâ€™t quit your day job. Because Twisty youâ€™re not. Save the sacrcasm for the patriarchs, ok? You know, like Dimwitted up there?&lt;/em&gt;

You, on the other hand, should definitely take your show on the road.  Why don't you have a book deal yet?  

&lt;em&gt;Now unless Iâ€™m mistaken, Twisty and Nancy are not the same people. I was addressing Nancy, not Twisty. So whatâ€™s your point about what Twisty has posted? I already know Twisty gets it. But does Nancy? Iâ€™m pretty sure she does. But how â€™bout you? Do you get it?&lt;/em&gt;

This is the running gag that just won't die.  You &lt;em&gt;are&lt;/em&gt; a comic genius--you're an Eric Idle character in a lost episode of The Flying Circus!  Look: we blame the patriarchy.  Okay?  We blame the patriarchy all the time.  I blamed the patriarchy on &lt;em&gt;my&lt;/em&gt; (group) blog yesterday--and the day before that.  I'm gonna do it again today.  Nancy blames the patriarchy in comments every chance she gets.  Anyone who'd encountered her would know that.  

Even if you're a total stranger, it's only reasonable not to assume that a woman hanging out on I Blame the Patriarchy would not be interested in blaming the patriarchy.  The post that caused so much furor, which happens not to have bothered to blame the patriarchy in as many words, takes place in a context of extensive, explicit patriarchy-blaming.  Everything Twisty says (not counting the recipes) is about the systemic, all-encompassing nature of misogyny.  The commenters here are commenting in that context.  That includes Nancy.  She didn't deserve to be patronized, particularly not based on such an off-kilter reading of her comment.  

&lt;em&gt;Obviously not if you find it more productive to get all pissy with other feminists instead of blaming the patriarchy. But I donâ€™t blame you. The penis people are very scary people and itâ€™s so much safer to take your frustrations out on women.&lt;/em&gt;

...You mean, like Lily and the other women who came here and got all pissy with Twisty Faster, feminist extraordinaire?  Like you, when you took your frustration out on Nancy?  There's nothing intrinsically anti-feminist about complaining when someone says something unfair and wrong, and it's nothing but a dodge to insist otherwise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>LOL, Piny. Iâ€™ll bet you thought yourself clever and witty. But donâ€™t quit your day job. Because Twisty youâ€™re not. Save the sacrcasm for the patriarchs, ok? You know, like Dimwitted up there?</em></p>
<p>You, on the other hand, should definitely take your show on the road.  Why don&#8217;t you have a book deal yet?  </p>
<p><em>Now unless Iâ€™m mistaken, Twisty and Nancy are not the same people. I was addressing Nancy, not Twisty. So whatâ€™s your point about what Twisty has posted? I already know Twisty gets it. But does Nancy? Iâ€™m pretty sure she does. But how â€™bout you? Do you get it?</em></p>
<p>This is the running gag that just won&#8217;t die.  You <em>are</em> a comic genius&#8211;you&#8217;re an Eric Idle character in a lost episode of The Flying Circus!  Look: we blame the patriarchy.  Okay?  We blame the patriarchy all the time.  I blamed the patriarchy on <em>my</em> (group) blog yesterday&#8211;and the day before that.  I&#8217;m gonna do it again today.  Nancy blames the patriarchy in comments every chance she gets.  Anyone who&#8217;d encountered her would know that.  </p>
<p>Even if you&#8217;re a total stranger, it&#8217;s only reasonable not to assume that a woman hanging out on I Blame the Patriarchy would not be interested in blaming the patriarchy.  The post that caused so much furor, which happens not to have bothered to blame the patriarchy in as many words, takes place in a context of extensive, explicit patriarchy-blaming.  Everything Twisty says (not counting the recipes) is about the systemic, all-encompassing nature of misogyny.  The commenters here are commenting in that context.  That includes Nancy.  She didn&#8217;t deserve to be patronized, particularly not based on such an off-kilter reading of her comment.  </p>
<p><em>Obviously not if you find it more productive to get all pissy with other feminists instead of blaming the patriarchy. But I donâ€™t blame you. The penis people are very scary people and itâ€™s so much safer to take your frustrations out on women.</em></p>
<p>&#8230;You mean, like Lily and the other women who came here and got all pissy with Twisty Faster, feminist extraordinaire?  Like you, when you took your frustration out on Nancy?  There&#8217;s nothing intrinsically anti-feminist about complaining when someone says something unfair and wrong, and it&#8217;s nothing but a dodge to insist otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: ae</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/02/05/may-we-live-long-and-die-out/#comment-11077</link>
		<author>ae</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2006 13:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right back atcha, WookieMonster. You were v. clear in your arguments, and I just tagged along on your comet trail. Not sure how folks can miss the point of "I Blame the Patriarchy," but the universe if full of mysteries (and soapboxiousness)! 

And, Chris Clarke, where does the line form to make out w/ you? Y'all remember when it was all about love, and blaming (the patriarchy, not our host), and making out at Chez Twisty's? Ahhh.

P.S. Mean to comment on this before:

&lt;i&gt;I canâ€™t be fucking HL Mencken-meets-Germaine Greer every goddam day, you know.&lt;/i&gt;

Dude, Henry and Germaine &lt;i&gt;wish&lt;/i&gt; they could be you on a bad day. I'm not hearing it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right back atcha, WookieMonster. You were v. clear in your arguments, and I just tagged along on your comet trail. Not sure how folks can miss the point of &#8220;I Blame the Patriarchy,&#8221; but the universe if full of mysteries (and soapboxiousness)! </p>
<p>And, Chris Clarke, where does the line form to make out w/ you? Y&#8217;all remember when it was all about love, and blaming (the patriarchy, not our host), and making out at Chez Twisty&#8217;s? Ahhh.</p>
<p>P.S. Mean to comment on this before:</p>
<p><i>I canâ€™t be fucking HL Mencken-meets-Germaine Greer every goddam day, you know.</i></p>
<p>Dude, Henry and Germaine <i>wish</i> they could be you on a bad day. I&#8217;m not hearing it.</p>
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