Comments on: Human Rights Smackdown: Kidney vs Uterus

By: Famous Soviet Athlete

Famous Soviet Athlete — Sat, 18 Feb 2006 17:57:17 +0000

And I ask myself, What would Jesus say to a woman, who would come to him seeking an abortion?

Why would anyone go to the imaginary Dr. Jesus for an abortion?

By: jennifer

jennifer — Sat, 18 Feb 2006 11:02:14 +0000

Now, inspecting my original post, I can see why people might have been moved to ignore it. Here is something more like Thompson's paper.

By: jennifer

jennifer — Sat, 18 Feb 2006 10:56:10 +0000

Was it wrong of me to suggest that people stop wasting important blaming energy on an argument that’s already been had? I love to find rebuttals, safely made by sober people, to the Thompson argument. That just makes me sad for them — “This is the best you can do? Fucking jag.” Plus it saves me drunk, ranty typing. That was all I meant to suggest up there.

By: Christopher

Christopher — Sat, 18 Feb 2006 03:45:14 +0000

I don’t quite understand why I, living in Portland, OR. should pay any attention to a local god who comes from across the sea.

It’s pretty clear that this “Christ” fellow was tied to the lands he lived in; He never did anything outside of the Roman Empire.

And while I would never presume to know the names of all the gods in this vast universe, nor would I presume to ask anybody to give up their gods (except to the extent that they need to to live in a civilised society), I can’t help but wonder whether your particular brand of worship isn;t dangerous to the country.

The idea that a local god could have dominion over any but those who willingly give themselves over to him is theologically suspect in the extreme.

Not to mention that this post brings up an actually very contentious point within your cult, and you fail to address it. A central question for you people is: How much charity must a godly man give?

Twisty’s post compares Pregnancy to Organ Donation; Her contention is that a society should not force a person to give up their own internal organs for somebody else.

Question: Have you donated a kidney? What would Jesus say to a man who wanted to know if he should sacrifice his well-being for others? If abortion should be outlawed, shouldn’t organ donations be mandatory?

Really, you could have addressed Twisty’s actual point in your post and still talked within the framework of your bizarre religion, but you didn’t.

Very rude, if you ask me.

By: Twisty

Twisty — Fri, 17 Feb 2006 23:20:43 +0000

Niknies, I would ask that you read the FAQ before posting here again. It covers most of your points.

By: niknies

niknies — Fri, 17 Feb 2006 23:16:31 +0000

Twisty, you mention the “rights of human women.” What do you propose those rights to be? You proclaim to be an atheist, so you must see yourself as the only one responsible for your existence. You blame the Patriarchy? For what? A woman can have an abortion without the consent of the male donor. A woman recieves the child in most every custody dispute. When a man dies, his wife, and all his ex-wives receive money from Social Security, which is supposedly run by this Patriarchy. The same benefit is not reciprocated when a man dies. Are you one of those people that think that 18 year old females should have to register for the draft? What you call “godbaggy” legislation, is what gave these benefits to you.
And hedonisticpleasureseeker, I have no response for you, you are probably proud of the name you use, but yet you “Blame the Patriarchy”?

By: Char

Char — Fri, 17 Feb 2006 18:00:55 +0000

“MacKinnon had indicated that the talk was a think-piece, work in progress so to speak, and so I looked for more contemporary versions of it.”

Ooops, my bad.

Although, if you do read the piece, I hope you enjoy it.bbAnyway, the thing in it which made the biggest impression on me was this:

“My stance is that the abortion chioce should be available and must be women’s, but not because the fetus is not a form of life. In the usual argument, the abortion decision is made contingent on whether the fetus is a form of life. I cannot follow that. Why should not women make life or death decisions?”

Although, possibly, “Reflection on Sex Equality Under Law” addresses your point somewhat more completely — I’m sure you’ve seen it as it was published in 1991. In any event, I think this language, from the article, goes to the point you were making?

“Yet the fetus is not a body part. … The fetus is a unique kind of whole that, after a certain point, can live or die without the mother. Whatever credibility the body-part analogy has evaporates at the moment of viability, placing tremendous pressure on the viability line and its determination as a consequence. No other body part gets up and walks away on its own eventually.”

By: hedonisticpleasureseeker

hedonisticpleasureseeker — Fri, 17 Feb 2006 17:38:32 +0000

Nikolas, bless your heart, nice try. But all you accomplished was to remind us why we don’t go to church.

IF there is a god, and if he’s really the Jesus, and he’s omnicient and omnipresent and unencumbered by the contstraints of time and space and matter . . . what does “he” care if any of us are living or dead, if to him we are ETERNAL???????? This is a rhetorical question. I’m NOT asking for a response; I don’t want one. Just chew on it and move on.

By: Twisty

Twisty — Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:59:40 +0000

It’s fun to quote passages from a book written by barbarians from the Roman Empire, but does nothing to overcome one of the more rudimentary problems with godbaggy legislation pertaining to the rights of human women, which is that god does not exist.

By: NIkolas Nies

NIkolas Nies — Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:44:13 +0000

Something has been bothering me for awhile now. The media with all of its liberal ways and supporters has negatively added connotations to the desire for a person to live a conservative life. My question to those who would label conservatives as “far right”, “extremists”, “fundamentalists” (as if that is suppose to be a dirty word), “fanatics”, you get the picture, anyway, how do Christian people think that they can live any other way but conservative? In Matthew 7:14, the Bible tells us: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. The preceding verse tells where liberality leads. So how can a Christian look at life and say, I am not going to take that path, it’s too narrow? I will follow the broad (liberal) path. The Bible tells us that path leadeth to destruction.
While I was thinking on this subject, I was thinking about political hot topics, that we are being fed propaganda on everyday. Homosexuality, abortion, individuality, absence of God in everything, and other liberal topics come to mind. Well, I got to thinking about abortion, looking down through this strait gate. And I ask myself, What would Jesus say to a woman, who would come to him seeking an abortion? Now I would never attempt to speak for Jesus, or pretend that I am smart enough to know what he would say. But while I was thinking on this very subject, a verse which was spoken by Jesus came to mind. Matthew 19:6 says: Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let no man put asunder. Now, I know what your going to say; that has nothing to do with abortion that is about marriage. Well, when it came to my mind, I wasnâ€™t thinking about divorce or adultery, I was thinking about how a Christian could justify killing an unborn child. And if you think about the verse, yes it is talking about marriage, but it doesnâ€™t say, A man and a woman that God hath joined together. It says what therefore God has joined together. To me that is saying that anything God joins together, man is not suppose to mess with. He made man out of the dust of the ground and breathed into him the breathe of life, and then told man “Thou shalt not kill”. Whatever he creates, he doesnâ€™t want man to destroy.
If you still want to argue that the verse just pertains to marriage, lets look at marriage. In what way is a marriage consummated? And what is the process that leads to conception? There is a part of a man that joins with a part of woman to create a new life. Who is in control of those two parts that are joined together? If you say man, woman, or doctor, there will be a lot on infertile couples who will take exception to your response. Only God can join the two together to make a life. And no man whether he be the President, a Supreme Court Justice, a doctor, or some liberal editorialist can spin that around to say that abortion is a womanâ€™s right to put asunder what God has joined together.