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		<title>By: hedonist</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/02/20/baby-gap/#comment-12735</link>
		<author>hedonist</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2006 12:26:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/02/20/baby-gap/#comment-12735</guid>
		<description>That does it.  I'm talking to my gyn about getting my toobies tied at my 9am appointment today.  I've had it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That does it.  I&#8217;m talking to my gyn about getting my toobies tied at my 9am appointment today.  I&#8217;ve had it.</p>
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		<title>By: tigtog</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/02/20/baby-gap/#comment-12734</link>
		<author>tigtog</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2006 11:47:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/02/20/baby-gap/#comment-12734</guid>
		<description>We seem to read her very differently, Reginleif.  But I'm sure she can clarify her position for herself should she wish to engage you.

I'm glad you put the rest of your strawfeminists in scarequotes, because just because Phyllis Schafly and Ann Coulter say something doesn't make it a genuine feminist position.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We seem to read her very differently, Reginleif.  But I&#8217;m sure she can clarify her position for herself should she wish to engage you.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad you put the rest of your strawfeminists in scarequotes, because just because Phyllis Schafly and Ann Coulter say something doesn&#8217;t make it a genuine feminist position.</p>
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		<title>By: Reginleif</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/02/20/baby-gap/#comment-12730</link>
		<author>Reginleif</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2006 10:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/02/20/baby-gap/#comment-12730</guid>
		<description>Baloney, Tigtog. She's a self-described "pro-natalist feminist," and she's explicitly laying the guilt trip on childfree women because she thinks we have some sort of duty to outbreed the fundies &#8212; just as the fundies think we have some sort of duty to access Jeeeeezus and outbreed the liberals. She's not their opposite; she's their exact mirror image.

Then again, I've found that hard leftists really aren't all that much different from the wingnuts, in terms of their desire to harness everyone else, willing or otherwise to their own ideological wagons. It's one reason I've stopped primarily identifying as a feminist and started primarily identifying as a libertarian.

The others are the modern "feminist" dogmata that woman = mother, and that the game is no longer about equality but about entitlement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Baloney, Tigtog. She&#8217;s a self-described &#8220;pro-natalist feminist,&#8221; and she&#8217;s explicitly laying the guilt trip on childfree women because she thinks we have some sort of duty to outbreed the fundies &#8212; just as the fundies think we have some sort of duty to access Jeeeeezus and outbreed the liberals. She&#8217;s not their opposite; she&#8217;s their exact mirror image.</p>
<p>Then again, I&#8217;ve found that hard leftists really aren&#8217;t all that much different from the wingnuts, in terms of their desire to harness everyone else, willing or otherwise to their own ideological wagons. It&#8217;s one reason I&#8217;ve stopped primarily identifying as a feminist and started primarily identifying as a libertarian.</p>
<p>The others are the modern &#8220;feminist&#8221; dogmata that woman = mother, and that the game is no longer about equality but about entitlement.</p>
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		<title>By: tigtog</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/02/20/baby-gap/#comment-12711</link>
		<author>tigtog</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2006 04:52:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/02/20/baby-gap/#comment-12711</guid>
		<description>Dear Reginleif,

if only BitchPhD were actually advocating the patriarchy's message of breedership instead of describing it evocatively so that it can be properly blamed, your rant would be more apposite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Reginleif,</p>
<p>if only BitchPhD were actually advocating the patriarchy&#8217;s message of breedership instead of describing it evocatively so that it can be properly blamed, your rant would be more apposite.</p>
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		<title>By: H</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/02/20/baby-gap/#comment-12699</link>
		<author>H</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2006 02:55:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/02/20/baby-gap/#comment-12699</guid>
		<description>Dear Ms PhD:

Did it ever occur to your 'pro-natalist feminist' self that some women do not wish to have children not because of some great patriachal plot, but because they SIMPLY DO NOT WISH TO HAVE CHILDREN?

Can you comprehend that some women think having children is a bad choice for them not because they can't afford them or want some high-powered career, but because they do not wish to parent offspring/do not like children/find the thought of pregnancy and birth repulsive and would frankly, rather self-adminster abortion with a blunt spoon and a sharpened ballpoint pen? 

Does it occur to you that despite maternity leave, and encouragement out the ying-yang for breeding, most women take a look at the delights the modern world has to offer and say 'mmmmm, I'd like to have a life full of fun and adventure' and that years spent wiping bottoms, cleaning play-doh off the rug and enduring hour upon hour of toddler-chatter just doesn't appeal to the more adventurous woman these days? No, really, I know it's hard to believe, but please try to understand that many women nowadays see childbirth as purely optional and choose NOT to exercise that option.

You suggest I breed for your cause. I suggest you mind your own narrow business and keep chugging down the medication, chickie, if you think that YOU promoting breeding for your little cause is any different than Dubya, Randall Terry or the current leader of the Catholic Church telling me to squelch one,  two, three or four out for the greater glory of god or the Republican party. If the great propoganda machines of this planet can't persuade me to drop one out my snatch, a  mildly psychotic, pseudo-intellectual net-twerp such as yourself stands no chance at all.

Love,

An 'Honourary Man'</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Ms PhD:</p>
<p>Did it ever occur to your &#8216;pro-natalist feminist&#8217; self that some women do not wish to have children not because of some great patriachal plot, but because they SIMPLY DO NOT WISH TO HAVE CHILDREN?</p>
<p>Can you comprehend that some women think having children is a bad choice for them not because they can&#8217;t afford them or want some high-powered career, but because they do not wish to parent offspring/do not like children/find the thought of pregnancy and birth repulsive and would frankly, rather self-adminster abortion with a blunt spoon and a sharpened ballpoint pen? </p>
<p>Does it occur to you that despite maternity leave, and encouragement out the ying-yang for breeding, most women take a look at the delights the modern world has to offer and say &#8216;mmmmm, I&#8217;d like to have a life full of fun and adventure&#8217; and that years spent wiping bottoms, cleaning play-doh off the rug and enduring hour upon hour of toddler-chatter just doesn&#8217;t appeal to the more adventurous woman these days? No, really, I know it&#8217;s hard to believe, but please try to understand that many women nowadays see childbirth as purely optional and choose NOT to exercise that option.</p>
<p>You suggest I breed for your cause. I suggest you mind your own narrow business and keep chugging down the medication, chickie, if you think that YOU promoting breeding for your little cause is any different than Dubya, Randall Terry or the current leader of the Catholic Church telling me to squelch one,  two, three or four out for the greater glory of god or the Republican party. If the great propoganda machines of this planet can&#8217;t persuade me to drop one out my snatch, a  mildly psychotic, pseudo-intellectual net-twerp such as yourself stands no chance at all.</p>
<p>Love,</p>
<p>An &#8216;Honourary Man&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Reginleif</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/02/20/baby-gap/#comment-12692</link>
		<author>Reginleif</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2006 01:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/02/20/baby-gap/#comment-12692</guid>
		<description>To Cow Ph.D.: So because I don't want to spawn, I'm an "honorary man"?!

You fucking ignorant breedercunt. I have no "slack" for my "browner sisters" to pick up. Know why? &lt;b&gt;BECAUSE IT AIN'T MY FUCKIN' JOB TO SQUIRT OUT RUGRATS, ASSHOLE!!!!&lt;/b&gt;

Oh, and I wonder what the &lt;i&gt;non-white&lt;/i&gt; women in the childfree fora I frequent would have to say about your RATFUCKING STUPID idea that it's only lily-white women who don't want to whelp?

Fucking asshole Mooooooooooo. Thanks a HELL of a lot for turning the feminist mooooovement into a goddamned cow pasture. No wonder your in-laws say you're "detached from reality."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Cow Ph.D.: So because I don&#8217;t want to spawn, I&#8217;m an &#8220;honorary man&#8221;?!</p>
<p>You fucking ignorant breedercunt. I have no &#8220;slack&#8221; for my &#8220;browner sisters&#8221; to pick up. Know why? <b>BECAUSE IT AIN&#8217;T MY FUCKIN&#8217; JOB TO SQUIRT OUT RUGRATS, ASSHOLE!!!!</b></p>
<p>Oh, and I wonder what the <i>non-white</i> women in the childfree fora I frequent would have to say about your RATFUCKING STUPID idea that it&#8217;s only lily-white women who don&#8217;t want to whelp?</p>
<p>Fucking asshole Mooooooooooo. Thanks a HELL of a lot for turning the feminist mooooovement into a goddamned cow pasture. No wonder your in-laws say you&#8217;re &#8220;detached from reality.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Catharine</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/02/20/baby-gap/#comment-12527</link>
		<author>Catharine</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2006 02:03:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/02/20/baby-gap/#comment-12527</guid>
		<description>Oh, my Jesus gay, I've been screaming about this for YEARS.  Because I took three years off to have and raise one child, I will be looking at about $1000 less per month in retirement.  Not only did I lose out on an income for three years, but when I returned to work, I had to start on the bottom wrung of the ladder and work my way up all over again.  

And people ask me why I only had one child?  I'd have been eating CAT FOOD in my golden years if I'd had more.  

Oddly, my ex-husband became a parent on exactly the same day, at exactly the same time as I did, and his retirement and SS benefits remain, as yet, unaffected.

Patriarchy much?

~C~</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, my Jesus gay, I&#8217;ve been screaming about this for YEARS.  Because I took three years off to have and raise one child, I will be looking at about $1000 less per month in retirement.  Not only did I lose out on an income for three years, but when I returned to work, I had to start on the bottom wrung of the ladder and work my way up all over again.  </p>
<p>And people ask me why I only had one child?  I&#8217;d have been eating CAT FOOD in my golden years if I&#8217;d had more.  </p>
<p>Oddly, my ex-husband became a parent on exactly the same day, at exactly the same time as I did, and his retirement and SS benefits remain, as yet, unaffected.</p>
<p>Patriarchy much?</p>
<p>~C~</p>
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		<title>By: BetaCandy</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/02/20/baby-gap/#comment-12505</link>
		<author>BetaCandy</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2006 23:47:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/02/20/baby-gap/#comment-12505</guid>
		<description>I'm amazed every time I mention how the US government encourages us to have kids, and people act like I just suggested Elvis shot Kennedy.  There is enormous propaganda here about making babies, and we get tax breaks and other financial incentives for doing it.  To me, it seems obvious: we're a capitalist nation, and our big fat businesses can never have enough consumers.  

Of course, it's all in danger of falling apart now, because the consumers were also the workers, and those damned uppity workers wanted too much money.  So now the workers are folks in China, but the people of the US are still supposed to buy shit they don't need in order to support the system.  Only, we don't have the income to buy everything they're throwing at us, because the jobs are getting outsourced.  But the whole problem would go away if we would just make more little consumers.

Patriarchy never exactly had brain power on its side, did it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m amazed every time I mention how the US government encourages us to have kids, and people act like I just suggested Elvis shot Kennedy.  There is enormous propaganda here about making babies, and we get tax breaks and other financial incentives for doing it.  To me, it seems obvious: we&#8217;re a capitalist nation, and our big fat businesses can never have enough consumers.  </p>
<p>Of course, it&#8217;s all in danger of falling apart now, because the consumers were also the workers, and those damned uppity workers wanted too much money.  So now the workers are folks in China, but the people of the US are still supposed to buy shit they don&#8217;t need in order to support the system.  Only, we don&#8217;t have the income to buy everything they&#8217;re throwing at us, because the jobs are getting outsourced.  But the whole problem would go away if we would just make more little consumers.</p>
<p>Patriarchy never exactly had brain power on its side, did it?</p>
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		<title>By: Sharoni</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/02/20/baby-gap/#comment-12457</link>
		<author>Sharoni</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2006 19:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/02/20/baby-gap/#comment-12457</guid>
		<description>Falimako - good for you! I have a friend who works two jobs, has two children (one 17, one 7), is going to school to get her PhD, AND has a husband who is about as much use as the kids.  HE works ONE job (low-paying retail type job) and comes home and complains that he's tired!  While she does most of the cooking (she's vegetarian, he eats meat); all of the cleaning, holds down a full-time job at Los Alamos National Lab and another weekend job for a soils analyzing type concern and just got her masters in chemical engineering.  I am awestruck. I don't have the brains or the inclination to go back to school for anything, but I'd have at the very least kicked that husband of hers so far out of the house he'd still be rubbing his tail.  And he had the gall the other day to make some derogatory comment about who "wore the pants" in the family!  This guy makes the men in the SCUM manifesto look like feminists. The patriarchy plainly needs blaming NOW.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Falimako - good for you! I have a friend who works two jobs, has two children (one 17, one 7), is going to school to get her PhD, AND has a husband who is about as much use as the kids.  HE works ONE job (low-paying retail type job) and comes home and complains that he&#8217;s tired!  While she does most of the cooking (she&#8217;s vegetarian, he eats meat); all of the cleaning, holds down a full-time job at Los Alamos National Lab and another weekend job for a soils analyzing type concern and just got her masters in chemical engineering.  I am awestruck. I don&#8217;t have the brains or the inclination to go back to school for anything, but I&#8217;d have at the very least kicked that husband of hers so far out of the house he&#8217;d still be rubbing his tail.  And he had the gall the other day to make some derogatory comment about who &#8220;wore the pants&#8221; in the family!  This guy makes the men in the SCUM manifesto look like feminists. The patriarchy plainly needs blaming NOW.</p>
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		<title>By: Stella</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/02/20/baby-gap/#comment-12444</link>
		<author>Stella</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2006 18:33:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/02/20/baby-gap/#comment-12444</guid>
		<description>I just returned to the US after living in the UK for three years with my unmarried partner.  I lived there from just after my 22nd birthday to just before my 26th.

The reason more British women aren't having babies is because they CAN'T AFFORD TO.  With the Blairite government encouraging 50% of people to go to college, the astronomically overpriced housing market, and the ever-rising council tax (along with other stealth tax increases), there is a huge swathe of British twentysomething society (men and women) who are unable to find 'graduate' level jobs and are forced to either move back in with mum and dad or live with an unmarried partner just to make the rent.  Over half of the 20-30somethings I knew over there were living with unmarried partners, most with no engagement or wedding or other ceremonial plans (including myself).  

Most of the women I knew wanted to have kids, but, like owning a home, viewed this as, largely, a pipe dream.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just returned to the US after living in the UK for three years with my unmarried partner.  I lived there from just after my 22nd birthday to just before my 26th.</p>
<p>The reason more British women aren&#8217;t having babies is because they CAN&#8217;T AFFORD TO.  With the Blairite government encouraging 50% of people to go to college, the astronomically overpriced housing market, and the ever-rising council tax (along with other stealth tax increases), there is a huge swathe of British twentysomething society (men and women) who are unable to find &#8216;graduate&#8217; level jobs and are forced to either move back in with mum and dad or live with an unmarried partner just to make the rent.  Over half of the 20-30somethings I knew over there were living with unmarried partners, most with no engagement or wedding or other ceremonial plans (including myself).  </p>
<p>Most of the women I knew wanted to have kids, but, like owning a home, viewed this as, largely, a pipe dream.</p>
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