I really liked your post rejecting Freeman’s apology. At the very least he’s an insincere drama queen, at best he’s in denial.

The idea that men can be called feminists but have nothing to offer but to shut up and get out of the way is also interesting. Personally I have always thought it was beholding on me to get a clue and become a better, less Patriarchal person. And that fits.

Whether or not it’s an exhausting and harrowing labor to speak up and educate people about your own feminist-loving ways, it still should be done, since just introducing the idea is enlightening, if frustrating at times.

But to return to the core values of the IBTP FAQ, it goes without saying that it’s stupid for men to offer up advice to women on what they oughta do to be more like them. And that’s another argument in support of feminist men standing down.

I like reading Twisty because I learn and it’s very much fun to laugh and see bugs and learn recipes. I have a very pronounced weakness for the occasional Oscar Wilde/P.G. Wodehouse type constructions encrusted like carbuncles into the fabric of her discourses.

I think feminism could be target marketed to happy men in love with their wives and small baby girls very effectively. The idea of raising a girl is a little daunting in some respects, and the stronger advocacy for your own little baby girl’s rights is a natural fit for either parent.

Unfortunately feminism is not a product and can’t be marketed in the same evil ways. But that’s typical of the kind of meaningless help men would have to offer, and it’s well known that by intrinsic functions of instinctive distinctions men tend to masculinize every effective action they perform. Or something like that.

(Warning, serious thought went into accepting his appology, and I am pointing out the ONLY way I will/would accept an appology from a TROLL, Twisty if I went off the deepend here, feel free to delete etc.)

I have been taught since birth … Well when I started talking, that an appology isn’t one until you admit what you did wrong, and you feel contrite and you do NOT ever repeat it again. Otherwise the appology is shite.

I’m a high testosterone male with a 160 IQ. AND I’m a diehard feminist, AND I have a certain soft spot for pornography, so you figure it out.

First this implies (read that carefully, IMPLIES) that you are lord and master, and basically we are all dumbfucks. K?

So you appologize by saying “I am sorry for insulting your intelligence and your ability to spot a troller” K?

Next it outlines our entire existance with men. We are objects to you. We mean nothing. Men come and go with quite frequency, and never are we given any kind of Credit, Acknowledgement, or seen for our FEELINGS in the same manner that Men are!

Pornography is a way to train young girls that they are owned by MEN! Men such as YOU! IT teaches our young men and women that sex means NOTHING. That sex is bad, and not allowed to be a fullfilling act. It teaches them that they can treat women with disrespect and they will get SEX. Do you understand that YET? It’s the basis of our DEBASEMENT.

Do you know what “Play” is in a child’s mind? It’s practicing and teaching the brain what social, mental, and physical NORMS are in our society. That’s play.

Now you think about every 11 - 14 yr old BOY and GIRL who see PORN. And you tell me honestly that it doesn’t affect how they grow UP. Your LYING if you say it doesn’t.

You are not a feminist if you watch and support PORN. You a blankity blank blank ENEMY. Period. Your appology means exactly NOTHING.

NEXT
Seems to me like a poor attempt to justify and glorify stupid behavior by men, while proving to part-time soccer-mom divorcees that men really are pigs.

This assumes, (read that, ASSUMES) that we are the ones who have to PUT UP with your behavior because it’s required by the patriarchy. See that? Very Insinuous, in our lives, growing up we are trained, socialized, and traumatized by the idea that we will be OWNED. So, you coming in and generalizing all of us under one umbrella. This pissed me off.

I was taught that my name would change. Now your man, you IMAGINE having your SOUL identity removed from you and DISCOUNTED. As if you NEVER LIVED. **this is one I have personally LIVED through. MY name was TAKEN in the divorce of who I Had become. I was an empty shell. NOTHING left inside.**

YOU don’t have to change your name to be recognized as a Married MAN.

I am in no way YOUR property. Nor is any other woman you have ever come in contact with. WE ARE NOT PROPERTY! Do YOU GET THAT?

YOU say “I am sorry for insinuating, and assuming the people here are Property!”. End of story.. tyvm drive thru..

That is MY rant. You don’t get points off for trying to be NICE. You either Are, or you aren’t. NO in between.

Loosely Twisted

Radical feminist

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Good job propping up pornography.