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	<title>Comments on: Patagonia to Women Rock Climbers: &#8216;A Delicate Pointelle Weave Offers a Touch of Femininity&#8217;</title>
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		<title>By: doulicia</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/09/12/patagonia-to-women-rock-climbers-a-delicate-pointelle-weave-offers-a-touch-of-femininity/#comment-26361</link>
		<author>doulicia</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Sep 2006 16:52:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don't stop blaming the patriarchy, Twirly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t stop blaming the patriarchy, Twirly.</p>
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		<title>By: librarytavern</title>
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		<author>librarytavern</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Sep 2006 14:49:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was really hoping this was a spoof.  That is absolutely disgusting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was really hoping this was a spoof.  That is absolutely disgusting.</p>
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		<title>By: Blamerella</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/09/12/patagonia-to-women-rock-climbers-a-delicate-pointelle-weave-offers-a-touch-of-femininity/#comment-26340</link>
		<author>Blamerella</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Sep 2006 04:06:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;And, so, if opposing the patriarchy is a fruitless endeavor, why are we here? I mean, if itâ€™s all for nought any damn way, why bother write? Why bother read? &lt;/i&gt;

Because it's preferable to donning an exercise corset while smiling and calling it a choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>And, so, if opposing the patriarchy is a fruitless endeavor, why are we here? I mean, if itâ€™s all for nought any damn way, why bother write? Why bother read? </i></p>
<p>Because it&#8217;s preferable to donning an exercise corset while smiling and calling it a choice.</p>
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		<title>By: Ms Kate</title>
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		<author>Ms Kate</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Sep 2006 00:56:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I showed my 10 year old son the EMS, Patagonia, and REI catalogues.  He picked up on the theme right away:

"She's not there to climb rocks, she looks like she's there for sex" (EMS)

"How come all the guys are wearing clothes and all the women are in their underwear????" (Patagonia)

"The women are having fun together.  They are going kayaking.  The guy wants to come along, but they don't have room and they didn't invite him anyway, so they are ignoring him." (REI)

This is why I love REI: people in the catalogs are always using the clothing, having a good time, and not presenting themselves for the male gaze.  

EMS?  It was all about the Male Gaze, at least the female models.  Nicky picked that out right away.  Patagonia's female models don't so much pose as if they were there for sex, but they wear absurd stuff in inappropriate context and never enought of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I showed my 10 year old son the EMS, Patagonia, and REI catalogues.  He picked up on the theme right away:</p>
<p>&#8220;She&#8217;s not there to climb rocks, she looks like she&#8217;s there for sex&#8221; (EMS)</p>
<p>&#8220;How come all the guys are wearing clothes and all the women are in their underwear????&#8221; (Patagonia)</p>
<p>&#8220;The women are having fun together.  They are going kayaking.  The guy wants to come along, but they don&#8217;t have room and they didn&#8217;t invite him anyway, so they are ignoring him.&#8221; (REI)</p>
<p>This is why I love REI: people in the catalogs are always using the clothing, having a good time, and not presenting themselves for the male gaze.  </p>
<p>EMS?  It was all about the Male Gaze, at least the female models.  Nicky picked that out right away.  Patagonia&#8217;s female models don&#8217;t so much pose as if they were there for sex, but they wear absurd stuff in inappropriate context and never enought of it.</p>
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		<title>By: bigbalagan</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/09/12/patagonia-to-women-rock-climbers-a-delicate-pointelle-weave-offers-a-touch-of-femininity/#comment-26299</link>
		<author>bigbalagan</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Sep 2006 20:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rockclimbers, male or female, wear appropriate high-performance clothing which is basically totally functional.  Since they are often enough risking life or at least limb, they generally don't give a shit about Patagonia fashion.

Vogue, on the other hand, and Steve Miesel, should be prosecuted for hate crime/speech.   Just imagine the uproar if the subjects of subjection were black.  I guess they would try to pass if off for verite.  Could there be any clearer evidence of women as a subject class, of what the collective man secretly wants to do with them, or of how "fashion" subliminates that dominance?  Actually, sublimination would be nice---what women get is both the sublimated manifestation and the direct violence.  Amazingly up-front about it, Vogue is...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rockclimbers, male or female, wear appropriate high-performance clothing which is basically totally functional.  Since they are often enough risking life or at least limb, they generally don&#8217;t give a shit about Patagonia fashion.</p>
<p>Vogue, on the other hand, and Steve Miesel, should be prosecuted for hate crime/speech.   Just imagine the uproar if the subjects of subjection were black.  I guess they would try to pass if off for verite.  Could there be any clearer evidence of women as a subject class, of what the collective man secretly wants to do with them, or of how &#8220;fashion&#8221; subliminates that dominance?  Actually, sublimination would be nice&#8212;what women get is both the sublimated manifestation and the direct violence.  Amazingly up-front about it, Vogue is&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: saltyC</title>
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		<author>saltyC</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:45:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spinateig, there is no symmetry between male domination and female domination in porn. Both are staples of prostitution. Men pay women to pretend to dominate them, only to act out the misogynistic role of the "hateful bitch" to allow the men to come. The source was not a dominatrix acting out her fantasy, this was invented by johns. Women may participate in the role play, but it's still men who are calling the shots.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spinateig, there is no symmetry between male domination and female domination in porn. Both are staples of prostitution. Men pay women to pretend to dominate them, only to act out the misogynistic role of the &#8220;hateful bitch&#8221; to allow the men to come. The source was not a dominatrix acting out her fantasy, this was invented by johns. Women may participate in the role play, but it&#8217;s still men who are calling the shots.</p>
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		<title>By: Ephiny</title>
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		<author>Ephiny</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Sep 2006 09:46:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anyone seriously go rock climbing in a skirt??  That seems like it would be incredibly impractical (wouldn't it get caught up in your harness?), and wouldn't the person belaying you, or anyone standing below) be able to see your underwear?  Or is that the point?

I don't get why it's so difficult for outdoors-clothing manufacturers to understand that all we usually need is the same equipment and clothing that they make for men, but sized and shaped slightly differently to fit women's bodies.  When I buy a waterproof jacket or other item, all I want is one that fits me, doesn't come down to my knees and doesn't have sleeves a foot too long.   I don't understand the purpose of making it pink or lilac and removing almost all the useful pockets.    I don't believe the majority of women who go climbing or hiking or sailing or other activities actually care about their clothing being feminine and pretty more than they care about it being practical.  Pretty clothes are all very well, but they have their place, and half-way up a rock face or mountain is not it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone seriously go rock climbing in a skirt??  That seems like it would be incredibly impractical (wouldn&#8217;t it get caught up in your harness?), and wouldn&#8217;t the person belaying you, or anyone standing below) be able to see your underwear?  Or is that the point?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t get why it&#8217;s so difficult for outdoors-clothing manufacturers to understand that all we usually need is the same equipment and clothing that they make for men, but sized and shaped slightly differently to fit women&#8217;s bodies.  When I buy a waterproof jacket or other item, all I want is one that fits me, doesn&#8217;t come down to my knees and doesn&#8217;t have sleeves a foot too long.   I don&#8217;t understand the purpose of making it pink or lilac and removing almost all the useful pockets.    I don&#8217;t believe the majority of women who go climbing or hiking or sailing or other activities actually care about their clothing being feminine and pretty more than they care about it being practical.  Pretty clothes are all very well, but they have their place, and half-way up a rock face or mountain is not it.</p>
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		<title>By: SpinatTeig</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/09/12/patagonia-to-women-rock-climbers-a-delicate-pointelle-weave-offers-a-touch-of-femininity/#comment-26290</link>
		<author>SpinatTeig</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:50:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think the patagonia marketing is a good example of the economic stability of patriarchy.  sales people know exactly what to say to which target groups, by age and by gender.  women who want to buy feminine-sounding or feminine-appearing climbing gear are as guilty here as the patagonia sales department. 

domination is bilaterally pornographic.  that is, there exists both rape porn (male dominating female), and dominatrix porn (femdom).  this analysis ignores other combinations (mm/ff/other) for the sake of simplicity.  

in the vogue shoot, the rape porn is much more vivid.  some of the pics have the woman holding the weapon, subtly hinting at femdom.  If it were really reversed, with riot gear clad women stepping on men's necks and applying full-nelsons, it would still be pornographic.  femdom is erotic for for many man and women.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think the patagonia marketing is a good example of the economic stability of patriarchy.  sales people know exactly what to say to which target groups, by age and by gender.  women who want to buy feminine-sounding or feminine-appearing climbing gear are as guilty here as the patagonia sales department. </p>
<p>domination is bilaterally pornographic.  that is, there exists both rape porn (male dominating female), and dominatrix porn (femdom).  this analysis ignores other combinations (mm/ff/other) for the sake of simplicity.  </p>
<p>in the vogue shoot, the rape porn is much more vivid.  some of the pics have the woman holding the weapon, subtly hinting at femdom.  If it were really reversed, with riot gear clad women stepping on men&#8217;s necks and applying full-nelsons, it would still be pornographic.  femdom is erotic for for many man and women.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Sullivan</title>
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		<author>Ron Sullivan</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Sep 2006 04:48:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rock-climbing skirt. Right. Why the fuck don't they just put ruffles on their crotchless climbing pants? I mean, get to the fucking point, ya know?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rock-climbing skirt. Right. Why the fuck don&#8217;t they just put ruffles on their crotchless climbing pants? I mean, get to the fucking point, ya know?</p>
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		<title>By: Mar Iguana</title>
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		<author>Mar Iguana</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Sep 2006 01:17:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They already have.  Sort of.  The pictures of the women detained at Abu Ghraib have not been released because it is thought it would make people really nut up.  As if that would be a bad thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They already have.  Sort of.  The pictures of the women detained at Abu Ghraib have not been released because it is thought it would make people really nut up.  As if that would be a bad thing.</p>
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