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		<title>By: Johnny</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/09/21/petty-bourgeois-feminist-issue/#comment-27290</link>
		<author>Johnny</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Oct 2006 16:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a gay man I'm suprised by some of this discourse.  I've always felt a kinship with straight women, kind of an us vs. straight men.  I guess I wasn't aware we were the target of so much animosity regarding the fashion industry.  That said, I'd be interested to know what you gals think of celebrity weeklies.  Like 'Us' and 'Life &#38; Style'?  I love them!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a gay man I&#8217;m suprised by some of this discourse.  I&#8217;ve always felt a kinship with straight women, kind of an us vs. straight men.  I guess I wasn&#8217;t aware we were the target of so much animosity regarding the fashion industry.  That said, I&#8217;d be interested to know what you gals think of celebrity weeklies.  Like &#8216;Us&#8217; and &#8216;Life &amp; Style&#8217;?  I love them!</p>
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		<title>By: When Eating Disorders Go Digital at I Blame The Patriarchy</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/09/21/petty-bourgeois-feminist-issue/#comment-26719</link>
		<author>When Eating Disorders Go Digital at I Blame The Patriarchy</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2006 14:15:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] A propos of the fat/thin discussion of a couple of days ago, blamer Rebecca sends the following communiquÃ©. If you&#8217;re pressed for time, I&#8217;ll give you a synopsis: She blames the patriarchy for a consumer electronic woman-shrinker, and closes with a poetical expression of her acute sensitivity to and appreciation for Truth and Beauty (I have helpfully put that part in boldface). * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] A propos of the fat/thin discussion of a couple of days ago, blamer Rebecca sends the following communiquÃ©. If you&#8217;re pressed for time, I&#8217;ll give you a synopsis: She blames the patriarchy for a consumer electronic woman-shrinker, and closes with a poetical expression of her acute sensitivity to and appreciation for Truth and Beauty (I have helpfully put that part in boldface). * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Twisty</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/09/21/petty-bourgeois-feminist-issue/#comment-26638</link>
		<author>Twisty</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2006 13:41:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/09/21/petty-bourgeois-feminist-issue/#comment-26638</guid>
		<description>Deja pseu! Long time no see!

You have hit the nail on the head with your elucidating remarks on envy.

Somewhat tangentially, my family has always judged character in terms of not just body fat, but physical fitness. I am seen to possess real flaws because my resting heart rate is around 70, whereas my sister Tidy's is a superhuman 42. When I talked to my father the day after my ankle surgery, his first question was "So how are you exercising?" When I explained to him that my off-the-scale post-op pain required me to lie around with my leg elevated, his bright suggestion was that I lift weights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deja pseu! Long time no see!</p>
<p>You have hit the nail on the head with your elucidating remarks on envy.</p>
<p>Somewhat tangentially, my family has always judged character in terms of not just body fat, but physical fitness. I am seen to possess real flaws because my resting heart rate is around 70, whereas my sister Tidy&#8217;s is a superhuman 42. When I talked to my father the day after my ankle surgery, his first question was &#8220;So how are you exercising?&#8221; When I explained to him that my off-the-scale post-op pain required me to lie around with my leg elevated, his bright suggestion was that I lift weights.</p>
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		<title>By: deja pseu</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/09/21/petty-bourgeois-feminist-issue/#comment-26582</link>
		<author>deja pseu</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Sep 2006 02:21:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/09/21/petty-bourgeois-feminist-issue/#comment-26582</guid>
		<description>Yes, it is fucked up that women are denigrated for their body size, whether thin or fat.  I have to say though, I've been thin (anorexic a couple of times in my life) and I've been fat, and the world is a much more friendly and accepting place when I am thin.

Regarding envy, someone much more erudite and clever than I once postulated that the idea of "thin envy" is not unlike the idea of "penis envy."  Just as women probably never wanted to posess an actual penis but rather wanted to have  the autonomy, agency, freedom, respect and social acceptance experienced by the segment of the population in posession of one, envy of thinner women isn't about their bodies themselves, but rather the envy of the acceptance, social status, freedom and respect that we believe having a thin body confers.  It's not so much about what's real as the qualities that our culture has assigned to different body types.  Even though my sister and I grew up eating the same foods, I was led to believe by my family and the outside world that she somehow possessed a stronger character because she was thin and I was fat.  

Cultural ideals of extreme thinness are about fetishizing women's suffering, along with high heels and uncomfortable clothing.  The ideal woman in this paradigm is one who willingly submits and suffers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, it is fucked up that women are denigrated for their body size, whether thin or fat.  I have to say though, I&#8217;ve been thin (anorexic a couple of times in my life) and I&#8217;ve been fat, and the world is a much more friendly and accepting place when I am thin.</p>
<p>Regarding envy, someone much more erudite and clever than I once postulated that the idea of &#8220;thin envy&#8221; is not unlike the idea of &#8220;penis envy.&#8221;  Just as women probably never wanted to posess an actual penis but rather wanted to have  the autonomy, agency, freedom, respect and social acceptance experienced by the segment of the population in posession of one, envy of thinner women isn&#8217;t about their bodies themselves, but rather the envy of the acceptance, social status, freedom and respect that we believe having a thin body confers.  It&#8217;s not so much about what&#8217;s real as the qualities that our culture has assigned to different body types.  Even though my sister and I grew up eating the same foods, I was led to believe by my family and the outside world that she somehow possessed a stronger character because she was thin and I was fat.  </p>
<p>Cultural ideals of extreme thinness are about fetishizing women&#8217;s suffering, along with high heels and uncomfortable clothing.  The ideal woman in this paradigm is one who willingly submits and suffers.</p>
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		<title>By: Twisty</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/09/21/petty-bourgeois-feminist-issue/#comment-26581</link>
		<author>Twisty</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Sep 2006 02:11:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Even if they were envious, does that make it okay to harass me?&lt;/em&gt;

Of course not. My point is that, in a system where dominance rules, harrassment for  lack of conformity becomes a socially acceptable response. This is the reality within a patriarchy, an ideology with which I take, you know, issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Even if they were envious, does that make it okay to harass me?</em></p>
<p>Of course not. My point is that, in a system where dominance rules, harrassment for  lack of conformity becomes a socially acceptable response. This is the reality within a patriarchy, an ideology with which I take, you know, issue.</p>
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		<title>By: drumgurl</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/09/21/petty-bourgeois-feminist-issue/#comment-26579</link>
		<author>drumgurl</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:36:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have not just been "clucked over" by men and women; I have been publicly harassed.  Women were not envious of me when I weighed 95 pounds.  Why?  Because the boys thought I was disgusting.  And it's all about pleasing the boys, you know.  Maybe they are envious now, but like I said, I have gained 20 pounds from having my son.  Even if they were envious, does that make it okay to harass me?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have not just been &#8220;clucked over&#8221; by men and women; I have been publicly harassed.  Women were not envious of me when I weighed 95 pounds.  Why?  Because the boys thought I was disgusting.  And it&#8217;s all about pleasing the boys, you know.  Maybe they are envious now, but like I said, I have gained 20 pounds from having my son.  Even if they were envious, does that make it okay to harass me?</p>
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		<title>By: Pony</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/09/21/petty-bourgeois-feminist-issue/#comment-26575</link>
		<author>Pony</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Sep 2006 16:29:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not only must we look childish we must sound childish too. I have a breathy "small" sounding voice. I can force it down, and out. But I must force. Not only does every man in the patriarchy think any woman is his to assess visually: her weight, her potential fuckability for him, but even internet providers on the phone think they have a right to assess you, and keep interrupting as you try to explain what it is you want "Pardon me, let me say, Ma'am stop just a minute I have to say, Ma'am Ma'am?" until finally you let him interrupt, and he says  "I have to say, you sound just so young--way to go, you're doing well." I was asking when I could have the senior discount for highspeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not only must we look childish we must sound childish too. I have a breathy &#8220;small&#8221; sounding voice. I can force it down, and out. But I must force. Not only does every man in the patriarchy think any woman is his to assess visually: her weight, her potential fuckability for him, but even internet providers on the phone think they have a right to assess you, and keep interrupting as you try to explain what it is you want &#8220;Pardon me, let me say, Ma&#8217;am stop just a minute I have to say, Ma&#8217;am Ma&#8217;am?&#8221; until finally you let him interrupt, and he says  &#8220;I have to say, you sound just so young&#8211;way to go, you&#8217;re doing well.&#8221; I was asking when I could have the senior discount for highspeed.</p>
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		<title>By: Pony</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/09/21/petty-bourgeois-feminist-issue/#comment-26574</link>
		<author>Pony</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Sep 2006 16:18:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It creeps me out thta we must be not only insubstantial, but childish. We must look as childlike as possible. To look too substantial, hairy, "weighty" is too far removed from the the demands of the inherent pedophilia lurking in western male culture. I think it's why men prefer Asian women (not only that they are the bit of brown du jour). I read recently that native women are very desired as whores because we can pass as Eurasian, Hawaiian, whatever; no one can tell so we can be worked so efficiently. See?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It creeps me out thta we must be not only insubstantial, but childish. We must look as childlike as possible. To look too substantial, hairy, &#8220;weighty&#8221; is too far removed from the the demands of the inherent pedophilia lurking in western male culture. I think it&#8217;s why men prefer Asian women (not only that they are the bit of brown du jour). I read recently that native women are very desired as whores because we can pass as Eurasian, Hawaiian, whatever; no one can tell so we can be worked so efficiently. See?</p>
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		<title>By: saltyC</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/09/21/petty-bourgeois-feminist-issue/#comment-26573</link>
		<author>saltyC</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Sep 2006 15:35:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was also one of those stick-thin kids, and the worst part is, because my family had an unusual diet (near-vegetarian: no birds or mammals), grown-ups I knew were constantly measuring me up like wrapping their finders around my wrist and clucking at how wrong my mom was for starving me. I agree, it's all part of the patriarchy: it's easy to put down children. I really tried had to over-eat but it did no good, and the "Bond Girls" made me anxious, I would never be as round as them. 
Now being middle age I do watch my weight, it is part of staying healthy and happy. I have seen friends develop diabetes, and even worse, from overeating. Maintaining a healthy weight is important, and there are a wide range of healthy bmi's. When I lost the pregnancy weight I found the ideal goal was losing two pounds a month.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was also one of those stick-thin kids, and the worst part is, because my family had an unusual diet (near-vegetarian: no birds or mammals), grown-ups I knew were constantly measuring me up like wrapping their finders around my wrist and clucking at how wrong my mom was for starving me. I agree, it&#8217;s all part of the patriarchy: it&#8217;s easy to put down children. I really tried had to over-eat but it did no good, and the &#8220;Bond Girls&#8221; made me anxious, I would never be as round as them.<br />
Now being middle age I do watch my weight, it is part of staying healthy and happy. I have seen friends develop diabetes, and even worse, from overeating. Maintaining a healthy weight is important, and there are a wide range of healthy bmi&#8217;s. When I lost the pregnancy weight I found the ideal goal was losing two pounds a month.</p>
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		<title>By: Pony</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/09/21/petty-bourgeois-feminist-issue/#comment-26572</link>
		<author>Pony</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Sep 2006 15:14:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do think skinny is healthier, if we are only talking about weight, and skinny is accompanied by a good nutritious diet and exercise. But a BMI of 14 seems outrageously dangerous, especially since Moss is not short.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do think skinny is healthier, if we are only talking about weight, and skinny is accompanied by a good nutritious diet and exercise. But a BMI of 14 seems outrageously dangerous, especially since Moss is not short.</p>
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