Comments on: Study of the Week: ‘Foreplay’ Scientifically Proven Unnecessary http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/10/05/study-of-the-week-foreplay-scientifically-proven-unneccessary/ Thu, 09 Feb 2012 15:18:44 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Ask Auntie Hoyden at Hoyden About Town http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/10/05/study-of-the-week-foreplay-scientifically-proven-unneccessary/#comment-116981 Ask Auntie Hoyden at Hoyden About Town Wed, 30 Apr 2008 01:06:57 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/10/05/study-of-the-week-foreplay-scientifically-proven-unneccessary/#comment-116981 [...] The simple answer is “Because it gets them off”, but there are some more complex dynamics in there. Why are so many men attracted to a particular type of mainstream porn which demeans women, rejects or fetishises women of colour, and talks of sex purely in terms of possession, dominance and violence? The patriarchy socialises them into a view of sex encapsulated in the “I’d hit that!” exclamation; the attitude that “If I get my dick in you, you lose.” [...] [...] The simple answer is “Because it gets them off”, but there are some more complex dynamics in there. Why are so many men attracted to a particular type of mainstream porn which demeans women, rejects or fetishises women of colour, and talks of sex purely in terms of possession, dominance and violence? The patriarchy socialises them into a view of sex encapsulated in the “I’d hit that!” exclamation; the attitude that “If I get my dick in you, you lose.” [...]

]]> By: halictid http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/10/05/study-of-the-week-foreplay-scientifically-proven-unneccessary/#comment-28178 halictid Mon, 30 Oct 2006 06:09:33 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/10/05/study-of-the-week-foreplay-scientifically-proven-unneccessary/#comment-28178 As far as lesbianism being a treatment for dyspareunia-- BULLSHIT. If you don't like penetration, nice for you. I'm a lesbian, have never had sex with men-- and I'd rather lose a limb than give up being fucked. (Does that mean I don't belong on this forum? Sigh.) Endometriosis has been slowly, steadily waging war on my innards, and my sex life, for a few years now. Getting a diagnosis and surgery earlier this year was one of the best things that's ever happened to me. If there are scientists out there doing their imperfect best to figure out how to treat sex pain, because FINALLY female sexuality has become a priority to the medical establishment, hell, I'll make a contribution. As far as lesbianism being a treatment for dyspareunia– BULLSHIT. If you don’t like penetration, nice for you. I’m a lesbian, have never had sex with men– and I’d rather lose a limb than give up being fucked. (Does that mean I don’t belong on this forum? Sigh.)

Endometriosis has been slowly, steadily waging war on my innards, and my sex life, for a few years now. Getting a diagnosis and surgery earlier this year was one of the best things that’s ever happened to me. If there are scientists out there doing their imperfect best to figure out how to treat sex pain, because FINALLY female sexuality has become a priority to the medical establishment, hell, I’ll make a contribution.

]]> By: crowlie http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/10/05/study-of-the-week-foreplay-scientifically-proven-unneccessary/#comment-27799 crowlie Sat, 21 Oct 2006 11:13:39 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/10/05/study-of-the-week-foreplay-scientifically-proven-unneccessary/#comment-27799 "If I get my dick in you, you lose" says it all, really. Along with "women are the faulty units because domination and violence aren't a turn on". Emma, neither of the gay men is a woman. “If I get my dick in you, you lose” says it all, really. Along with “women are the faulty units because domination and violence aren’t a turn on”.

Emma, neither of the gay men is a woman.

]]> By: Mar Iguana http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/10/05/study-of-the-week-foreplay-scientifically-proven-unneccessary/#comment-27654 Mar Iguana Sat, 14 Oct 2006 20:30:14 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/10/05/study-of-the-week-foreplay-scientifically-proven-unneccessary/#comment-27654 Jeez. Jeez.

]]> By: Twisty http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/10/05/study-of-the-week-foreplay-scientifically-proven-unneccessary/#comment-27647 Twisty Sat, 14 Oct 2006 19:27:51 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/10/05/study-of-the-week-foreplay-scientifically-proven-unneccessary/#comment-27647 Everyone gets that Camp Cuervo is a joke, right? Everyone gets that Camp Cuervo is a joke, right?

]]> By: Mar Iguana http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/10/05/study-of-the-week-foreplay-scientifically-proven-unneccessary/#comment-27638 Mar Iguana Sat, 14 Oct 2006 18:22:39 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/10/05/study-of-the-week-foreplay-scientifically-proven-unneccessary/#comment-27638 So, what I hear you saying, emjay, is that lesbians are made not born. Enough trips to Camp Cuervo and, viola', the curse of the heterosexual woman is broken. If only that were so, from a woman who envies lesbians in many ways and wishes she was one at times. One of my best friends in the whole world asserts that hetero women are merely brainwashed. How explain entire shops full of dildos then? Texas hobbyists? I understand it's not only hetero women buying them. I don't know. I'm asking. Sometimes, the affection I have for my lesbian sisters is not returned and I am condemned for consorting with the enemy. Well, yeah, heterosexual women consort with the enemy. What's a straight woman to do other than without? When it comes to getting a paycheck, wage slave that I am, what are most women to do, gay or straight? The decision-making, check-signers remain overwhelmingly male on this planet. Betty Friedan's "The Second Stage" helps me remain optimistic that the boys can grow up. And, if that isn't optimism, I don't know what. Hetrosexual feminists in general make me optimistic. There are one or two. More encouraging for me is learning of men, admittedly few as yet, who get it. I learned of another one just today, Irish writer Jack Holland, from the Fall Ms. Magazine. He has written a book called "Misogyny" and I just got through ordering a copy: http://www.msmagazine.com/radar/2006-10-05-misogyny.asp Making the boys grow up is a dirty job but somebody has to do it, fair or no. Sometimes I feel like a foot soldier in the undeclared war against women and the enemy is getting uglier and more dangerous by the day no doubt but, I'm even encouraged by that. It's the mano a mano fight that has to be fought daily, sometimes at great personal risk to the distaff (gawd, I love this language - dissing staffs, heh heh) side in the longest war. So, what I hear you saying, emjay, is that lesbians are made not born. Enough trips to Camp Cuervo and, viola’, the curse of the heterosexual woman is broken. If only that were so, from a woman who envies lesbians in many ways and wishes she was one at times. One of my best friends in the whole world asserts that hetero women are merely brainwashed. How explain entire shops full of dildos then? Texas hobbyists? I understand it’s not only hetero women buying them. I don’t know. I’m asking.

Sometimes, the affection I have for my lesbian sisters is not returned and I am condemned for consorting with the enemy. Well, yeah, heterosexual women consort with the enemy. What’s a straight woman to do other than without? When it comes to getting a paycheck, wage slave that I am, what are most women to do, gay or straight? The decision-making, check-signers remain overwhelmingly male on this planet.

Betty Friedan’s “The Second Stage” helps me remain optimistic that the boys can grow up. And, if that isn’t optimism, I don’t know what. Hetrosexual feminists in general make me optimistic. There are one or two. More encouraging for me is learning of men, admittedly few as yet, who get it. I learned of another one just today, Irish writer Jack Holland, from the Fall Ms. Magazine. He has written a book called “Misogyny” and I just got through ordering a copy:

http://www.msmagazine.com/radar/2006-10-05-misogyny.asp

Making the boys grow up is a dirty job but somebody has to do it, fair or no. Sometimes I feel like a foot soldier in the undeclared war against women and the enemy is getting uglier and more dangerous by the day no doubt but, I’m even encouraged by that. It’s the mano a mano fight that has to be fought daily, sometimes at great personal risk to the distaff (gawd, I love this language – dissing staffs, heh heh) side in the longest war.

]]> By: emjay http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/10/05/study-of-the-week-foreplay-scientifically-proven-unneccessary/#comment-27594 emjay Sat, 14 Oct 2006 00:26:05 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/10/05/study-of-the-week-foreplay-scientifically-proven-unneccessary/#comment-27594 I highly recommend lesbianism as a treatment for dyspareunia. Granted, it didn't help my ex wear tampons, but she didn't care about that anyway. However, with her ex-husband, sex was a miserable exercise for them both since she didn't want it since it hurt her, and of course he was frustrated at not having it. On the other hand, my fingers weren't distressed or insulted that she didn't enjoy penetration and we spent many many happy hours engaged in other sexual activities. I highly recommend lesbianism as a treatment for dyspareunia. Granted, it didn’t help my ex wear tampons, but she didn’t care about that anyway. However, with her ex-husband, sex was a miserable exercise for them both since she didn’t want it since it hurt her, and of course he was frustrated at not having it. On the other hand, my fingers weren’t distressed or insulted that she didn’t enjoy penetration and we spent many many happy hours engaged in other sexual activities.

]]> By: Mar Iguana http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/10/05/study-of-the-week-foreplay-scientifically-proven-unneccessary/#comment-27462 Mar Iguana Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:26:09 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/10/05/study-of-the-week-foreplay-scientifically-proven-unneccessary/#comment-27462 From Pfizer Gives Up: "A study published in 1999 in The Journal of the American Medical Association found that 43 percent of women experienced some form of sexual dysfunction, compared with 31 percent of men." Yeah, see, 'cause war and violence doesn't count as sexual dysfunction. No. Uh uh. "One attraction of war is that it is a substitute for eroticism; it is the ultimate sexual perversion. It also reduces our ability to love." And, "...higher consciousness is more effective than violence and that women may be more able than men to lead us there." "William T. Hathaway, Special Forces rebel author. His first novel, A WORLD OF HURT, won a Rinehart Foundation Award for its portrayal of the blocked libido and the need for paternal approval that draw men to the military." And: "Masculinity constructed as sexualized-violence and violent-sexuality is not some alpha-male genetic defect; it is not natural. It is a historically evolved reflection of a division of labor and a division of social power. The military -- an organization within the state -- simply took this construction into itself, and made itself in masculinity's image." “Stan Goff, former commando and instructor of military science at West Point, has published three books on the interrelation of gender, violence, and patriarchy.” http://www.opednews.com/articles/life_a_jim_trav_060926_the_special_forces_r.htm But, women are the faulty units because domination and violence is a turnoff. I can see how the Pfizerboys were stumped, so to speak. You just can't put a price tag on a stiff dick. From Pfizer Gives Up:

“A study published in 1999 in The Journal of the American Medical Association found that 43 percent of women experienced some form of sexual dysfunction, compared with 31 percent of men.”

Yeah, see, ’cause war and violence doesn’t count as sexual dysfunction. No. Uh uh.

“One attraction of war is that it is a substitute for eroticism; it is the ultimate sexual perversion. It also reduces our ability to love.” And, “…higher consciousness is more effective than violence and that women may be more able than men to lead us there.” “William T. Hathaway, Special Forces rebel author. His first novel, A WORLD OF HURT, won a Rinehart Foundation Award for its portrayal of the blocked libido and the need for paternal approval that draw men to the military.”

And:
“Masculinity constructed as sexualized-violence and violent-sexuality is not some alpha-male genetic defect; it is not natural. It is a historically evolved reflection of a division of labor and a division of social power. The military — an organization within the state — simply took this construction into itself, and made itself in masculinity’s image.” “Stan Goff, former commando and instructor of military science at West
Point, has published three books on the interrelation of gender,
violence, and patriarchy.”

http://www.opednews.com/articles/life_a_jim_trav_060926_the_special_forces_r.htm

But, women are the faulty units because domination and violence is a turnoff. I can see how the Pfizerboys were stumped, so to speak. You just can’t put a price tag on a stiff dick.

]]> By: al http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/10/05/study-of-the-week-foreplay-scientifically-proven-unneccessary/#comment-27453 al Wed, 11 Oct 2006 09:57:05 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/10/05/study-of-the-week-foreplay-scientifically-proven-unneccessary/#comment-27453 "sex, if it’s about anything, is, at it’s core about procreation or rather the powerful hormones that evolved over millions of years to make us get the urge to copulate so we end up procreating whether we intend to or not." Well, if sex is the urge to procreate, hunger's the urge to defecate. :-P “sex, if it’s about anything, is, at it’s core about procreation or rather the powerful hormones that evolved over millions of years to make us get the urge to copulate so we end up procreating whether we intend to or not.”

Well, if sex is the urge to procreate, hunger’s the urge to defecate. :-P

]]> By: BlueBird http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/10/05/study-of-the-week-foreplay-scientifically-proven-unneccessary/#comment-27429 BlueBird Tue, 10 Oct 2006 21:46:50 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/10/05/study-of-the-week-foreplay-scientifically-proven-unneccessary/#comment-27429 "if a man can get it up" Sorry, that should read "if a man <i>can't</i> get it up" BB “if a man can get it up”

Sorry, that should read “if a man can’t get it up”

BB

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