Comments on: More tales from the Study Institute http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/10/30/more-tales-from-the-study-institute/ Thu, 11 Mar 2010 16:36:52 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: seabel http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/10/30/more-tales-from-the-study-institute/#comment-28717 seabel Sat, 11 Nov 2006 16:42:36 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/10/30/more-tales-from-the-study-institute/#comment-28717 I just posted this on David Friedman's site, but since I heard it here first, I figured I should tell you what I told him: I notice that this paper is not published anywhere. My guess is that a peer review would find that CORRELATION DOES NOT ESTABLISH CAUSALITY. Ice cream sales are highly correlated to drownings, does that mean ice cream is responsible for these deaths? No, the answer is that it is summer and people are swimming more and buying more ice cream. This example demonstrates why correlation never establishes causality. A high correlation indicates more research could be done to determine why this correlation is so high. A high correlation is a clue to help solve the mystery, but does not provide the solution. There are over 3000 PUBLISHED studies linking violence in the media (rape is violence, the internet is media) to real life violence. Additionally, MOST rape is not reported, (this fact is determined based on reports of rape counselors, crisis centers and advocates who help rape victims regardless of whether or not the victim files a police report) making it even more difficult to determine the rate at which rape occurs. I just posted this on David Friedman’s site, but since I heard it here first, I figured I should tell you what I told him:

I notice that this paper is not published anywhere. My guess is that a peer review would find that CORRELATION DOES NOT ESTABLISH CAUSALITY. Ice cream sales are highly correlated to drownings, does that mean ice cream is responsible for these deaths? No, the answer is that it is summer and people are swimming more and buying more ice cream. This example demonstrates why correlation never establishes causality. A high correlation indicates more research could be done to determine why this correlation is so high. A high correlation is a clue to help solve the mystery, but does not provide the solution. There are over 3000 PUBLISHED studies linking violence in the media (rape is violence, the internet is media) to real life violence.

Additionally, MOST rape is not reported, (this fact is determined based on reports of rape counselors, crisis centers and advocates who help rape victims regardless of whether or not the victim files a police report) making it even more difficult to determine the rate at which rape occurs.

]]> By: feminish » Wintry link-fest http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/10/30/more-tales-from-the-study-institute/#comment-28384 feminish » Wintry link-fest Fri, 03 Nov 2006 13:13:51 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/10/30/more-tales-from-the-study-institute/#comment-28384 [...] The inimitable Twisty Faster on economics professor Todd D Kendall’s paper on “Pornography, Rape, and the Internet.” [...] [...] The inimitable Twisty Faster on economics professor Todd D Kendall’s paper on “Pornography, Rape, and the Internet.” [...]

]]> By: Twisty http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/10/30/more-tales-from-the-study-institute/#comment-28362 Twisty Fri, 03 Nov 2006 00:45:17 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/10/30/more-tales-from-the-study-institute/#comment-28362 I wish it were true, BDL. But I merely nicked a stock photo offa Getty. Don't tell nobody. I wish it were true, BDL. But I merely nicked a stock photo offa Getty. Don’t tell nobody.

]]> By: B. Dagger Lee http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/10/30/more-tales-from-the-study-institute/#comment-28358 B. Dagger Lee Thu, 02 Nov 2006 19:45:47 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/10/30/more-tales-from-the-study-institute/#comment-28358 Late to the party. But I have a super important question about the comic strip. Ted is photoshopped (call it shwopped) Twisty, right? And is Lon shwopped Stingray? Enquiring minds want to know. yrs, BDL Late to the party. But I have a super important question about the comic strip.

Ted is photoshopped (call it shwopped) Twisty, right? And is Lon shwopped Stingray?

Enquiring minds want to know.

yrs, BDL

]]> By: Feministe » Jack Shafer didn’t satisfy the jackass quotient? http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/10/30/more-tales-from-the-study-institute/#comment-28306 Feministe » Jack Shafer didn’t satisfy the jackass quotient? Wed, 01 Nov 2006 04:21:44 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/10/30/more-tales-from-the-study-institute/#comment-28306 [...] Kendall, however, regards porn and rape as largely mutually exclusive. Indeed, he seems to dismiss the potential rapes and abuses which may occur in porn production as a cost of reducing rape more widely. There are fewer people making porn than there are consumers, so, Kendall reasons, the problem is really on the supply side, not the demand side. (Kendall eventually capitulates and concedes that he can’t endorse internet porn because it may cause more “deleterious effects” than it alleviates. In Twisty’s words, Geeze, Todd, ya think? [...] [...] Kendall, however, regards porn and rape as largely mutually exclusive. Indeed, he seems to dismiss the potential rapes and abuses which may occur in porn production as a cost of reducing rape more widely. There are fewer people making porn than there are consumers, so, Kendall reasons, the problem is really on the supply side, not the demand side. (Kendall eventually capitulates and concedes that he can’t endorse internet porn because it may cause more “deleterious effects” than it alleviates. In Twisty’s words, Geeze, Todd, ya think? [...]

]]> By: Leigh http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/10/30/more-tales-from-the-study-institute/#comment-28289 Leigh Tue, 31 Oct 2006 22:39:33 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/10/30/more-tales-from-the-study-institute/#comment-28289 Also in reference to the_amadaun's post: Exactly. If the society is completely over-saturated with images and iconography that problematically link and even equate sex with violence, how are the women living in it supposed to accurately differentiate? "Sure, he grabbed me forcefully, threw me down and 'had his way with me', but that's not rape, it's just sex. I'm supposed to want to get dominated. It's hot. Just like that movie/TV show/magazine photo shoot/billboard in the middle of my town. Where the girl is all bound up and bruised and having a fabulous sexy time!" Conflating violence and sex has become NORMAL. When the lines are so fucking blurred, is it really that surprising that reporting AND convictions go way down? Yeah Friedman, Kendall et al, you're right: it has a lot to do with porn. But the direction of correlation in your "findings" is kind of ass-backwards. Also in reference to the_amadaun’s post:

Exactly. If the society is completely over-saturated with images and iconography that problematically link and even equate sex with violence, how are the women living in it supposed to accurately differentiate? “Sure, he grabbed me forcefully, threw me down and ‘had his way with me’, but that’s not rape, it’s just sex. I’m supposed to want to get dominated. It’s hot. Just like that movie/TV show/magazine photo shoot/billboard in the middle of my town. Where the girl is all bound up and bruised and having a fabulous sexy time!”

Conflating violence and sex has become NORMAL. When the lines are so fucking blurred, is it really that surprising that reporting AND convictions go way down? Yeah Friedman, Kendall et al, you’re right: it has a lot to do with porn. But the direction of correlation in your “findings” is kind of ass-backwards.

]]> By: Ron Sullivan http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/10/30/more-tales-from-the-study-institute/#comment-28245 Ron Sullivan Tue, 31 Oct 2006 16:01:18 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/10/30/more-tales-from-the-study-institute/#comment-28245 Another shout-out to the_amadaun's excellent point up there, with Richard Thompson's song "(I've) Read About Love" by way of background music. Another shout-out to the_amadaun’s excellent point up there, with Richard Thompson’s song “(I’ve) Read About Love” by way of background music.

]]> By: ms_mutt http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/10/30/more-tales-from-the-study-institute/#comment-28244 ms_mutt Tue, 31 Oct 2006 15:00:05 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/10/30/more-tales-from-the-study-institute/#comment-28244 Check out the article on Slate.com http://www.slate.com/id/2152487/?nav=tap3 Because, women who work in pornography aren't real women, silly. It's okay to support their sexual degradation. What really pisses me off though, is how the author (a man of course) discusses the would be rapists. It basically boils down to: "Oh, boys will be boys, and if they cannot have consensual sex with a woman or jerk off to internet porn, then they won't be able to control themselves and will have to rape women. They aren't monsters, that's just how mother nature created those misunderstood teenage boys." Fuck, why can't our society ever blame men for rape?! Men rape people all the time, but it's always because of thier natural biology or because a woman *gasp* went to a party unescorted. Fuck you, Steven Landsburg and, FUCK YOU, popular media. ms_mutt -a very pissed off teenage blamer who will have to suck it up and stay inside tonight, because her male peers are entitled to rape her. Check out the article on Slate.com

http://www.slate.com/id/2152487/?nav=tap3

Because, women who work in pornography aren’t real women, silly. It’s okay to support their sexual degradation.

What really pisses me off though, is how the author (a man of course) discusses the would be rapists. It basically boils down to: “Oh, boys will be boys, and if they cannot have consensual sex with a woman or jerk off to internet porn, then they won’t be able to control themselves and will have to rape women. They aren’t monsters, that’s just how mother nature created those misunderstood teenage boys.”

Fuck, why can’t our society ever blame men for rape?! Men rape people all the time, but it’s always because of thier natural biology or because a woman *gasp* went to a party unescorted.

Fuck you, Steven Landsburg and, FUCK YOU, popular media.

ms_mutt

-a very pissed off teenage blamer who will have to suck it up and stay inside tonight, because her male peers are entitled to rape her.

]]> By: simplywondered http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/10/30/more-tales-from-the-study-institute/#comment-28243 simplywondered Tue, 31 Oct 2006 13:44:28 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/10/30/more-tales-from-the-study-institute/#comment-28243 I'm a bit slow so can I try and sum up what clever people who know stuff tell us: Kids watch violence and become more likely to do it. Boys watch porn/rape and become less likely to do it - or is that 'too busy hanging onto their red raw dicks'? ... Nope... still not clever enough to get this one. Better leave it to some male professor to explain it to me. I’m a bit slow so can I try and sum up what clever people who know stuff tell us:
Kids watch violence and become more likely to do it.
Boys watch porn/rape and become less likely to do it – or is that ‘too busy hanging onto their red raw dicks’?
… Nope… still not clever enough to get this one. Better leave it to some male professor to explain it to me.

]]> By: Buttercup http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/10/30/more-tales-from-the-study-institute/#comment-28241 Buttercup Tue, 31 Oct 2006 11:12:26 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/10/30/more-tales-from-the-study-institute/#comment-28241 violet socks, I'm gonna go with "fucking ignorant". Occam's razor, and all that. violet socks, I’m gonna go with “fucking ignorant”. Occam’s razor, and all that.

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