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Nov 07 2006

A lite traipse through a petard-field

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As is my custom on posts about birth control, I present one of the young relatives upon whom I dote as evidence that I do not hate babies.

On the subject of the “male pill” — contraception that blocks the development of spermatozoa with no reported side effects — a significant percentage of the commentariat at The State Of … (christ, this blog would have an ellipsis in the goddam title) approaches world class Neanderthality. Blamer SmartBlkWoman sent me the link to this discussion, requesting a takedown, but time is short, and since these morons have so conveniently planted their own petards, why not just sit back and enjoy the hoisting?*

A representative sample:

Here’s commenter Big J, who appends a yellow smilicon to this opinion: “No way I put my jewels on the chopping block like that. Not only for health reasons, but for the PRIDE of knowing I can reproduce!”

Cultivating pride in the sub-cerebral ability to manufacture sperm cells — an enterprise any invertebrate can perform with its eye closed and its tentacles tied behind its stomachfoot — looms high on the sanguine Big J’s to-do list; he later reveals that since he wants “like 6 kids!”, the entity known as “Mrs” is presumably on her own, birth control-wise.

Here’s JP, a chappie identifying as a “physician” who supports strict segregation of the feminine underclass in their own chemical ghetto: He has ‘”no issue” with male contraception, yet he notes that “the hormonal male pills can have ‘feminizing effects’. Need I say thats [sic] not cool.”

Big J again: “I think men and women look at their bodies differnently [sic]. Men have an emotional tie to their “balls.” It just seems like the Pill would be easier to take for women, emotionally. I don’t know why, but I don’t care if I was 80 years old, I couldn’t do anything like taking this Pill. I’d rather get a vesectamy(sp)[sic], which is humiliating as well.”

Women, if you ask Big J, are receptacles for all the world’s garbage already, so why should they mind one more little chemical intervention? Men, on the other hand, have this wholly understandable investment in maintaining the purity of their precious bodily fluids; something so so trivial as female autonomy shouldn’t interfere with all the potential “Heisman Trophy winners and Rhodes Scholars in there!!”

The ever more charming Big J’s grasp of the female’s ability to gauge sperm count at a glance reveals that he’s reading ev-psych at at least a 3rd grade level: “…[A]s men we know that women are attracted to the ‘top breeders.’ Women want guys with strength, power and status; it’s innate so that they can bear strong children. If, as a guy, you give up your ability to impregnate a woman, women won’t want you, even if they aren’t necessarily trying to get pregnant. It’s all subconcious [sic] and don’t tell me I’m wrong.”

Something tells me that even if I did tell him he’s wrong, all he’d hear would be something like “What kind of beer should I bring you, baby?”

And now JD, who is so taken with Big J’s nut-centric weltanschauung he can scarcely articulate it: “That’s deep J. It is definately [sic] a different mindset being “able” to produce but coverin’ up or withdrawlin’ [sic] or being with a woman who “cant” vs. NOT being able to because you have no “juice”, so to speak. The male ego, I guess.”

And I’ve saved the best for last. Here, then, are the remarks of one Denmark Vesey, who opines that the “male pill” is not about birth control. No, it’s “about mind control. If you can get a man to swallow chemicals that tamper with his reproductive system, you can get him to do anything. What’s next, a pill that turns your penis into a vagina twice a week?”

Daily Mail article which the above lummoxes may or may not have read before spouting their misogynist dogma here.

BBC News item here.
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* A ‘petard’, if anyone was wondering where this ubiquitous expression came from, was an Elizabethan-era land mine; the hoisting to which Shakespeare alludes refers not just to the foiling of Rosencrantz and Guildenstern’s evil plot, but to the quality of apparent gravity-defiance a human body experiences just after it neglects to avoid said impediment, and just before it is blown to smithereens.

62 comments

  1. robin

    These idiot smirkers have laid large, conspicuous, and bloated petards indeed.
    May they fly through the air with the greatest of ease after stepping on them, beloved balls and all.

  2. Kugelmass

    Nice demolition job, Twisty. These comments get at something I find especially ridiculous: men are simultaneously tough, confident, and irresistible, thanks to their hardware and freedom from “mind control” — and deserving of sympathy for their tender feelings for their genitals. The effect is, of course, that women are expected to be practical about these things (instead of “emotionally tied” to them) while pretending to be the more dependent, less rational gender.

  3. rootlesscosmo

    ’twas sport, to be sure, but (like many sports) it gets tiresome soon.

  4. rootlesscosmo

    (Not the hoisting–the long parade of clueless enginers.)

  5. gennimcmahon

    Something suggests that “Big J” is big only in the beer gut department, wears dirty shirts with the sleeves cut off, and feels strongly that the Confederate flag is all-American, righteous decor. He likely believes that so much as wearing the color pink will cause his dick to fall off, and uses the phrase, “female problems”, but only in a stage whisper. Ah, yes, the future Missus that seeks out that “top breeder” is a lucky one indeed.

  6. mycrust

    What’s next, a pill that turns your penis into a vagina twice a week?

    Does anyone else detect an element of inexpertly concealed desire here?

  7. antelope

    That ‘turn the penis into a vagina twice a week’ comment was a pretty damn good idea! Obviously, the evidence is now out that there’s a substantial male market for this concept and somebody should get to work on it right away!

  8. CafeSiren

    I’ve never been a proponent of the male pill. Not because I don’t think that men deserve to share the burden — I do! It’s just that I don’t trust ‘em to take the thing regularly, when they wouldn’t be the one to suffer the worst of the consequences.

    (I feel like I, like Twisty, should also post a picture of my adorable niece, to prove that I don’t hate kids. I just don’t ever want to be an incubator for one of ‘em.)

  9. B. Dagger Lee

    What do we want!?!
    Evagination!
    When do want it!?!
    Now!

    What do we want!?!
    etc.

    yrs, B.D.L.

  10. lt

    I’m confused. Didn’t I just read that the *lack* of a male pill was part of the great feminist conspiracy to steal their sperm and get knocked up “behind their back”*

    We sure are a clever lot.

    **Just noticed that the headline on that odious piece in some men’s rage asked “Is your girlfriend plotting to get pregnant behind your back?” Is it overly literal of me to be tempted to point out it’s mostly likely to happen front-to-front?

  11. Mandos

    This post was just shooting fish in a barrel.

  12. The Scarlet Pervygirl

    And the origin of the word “petard” is onomatopoetic–it mimics the sound of, I swear to you my dictionary actually says this, a fart.

    Hoist by their own petards indeed.

  13. thelmyc

    What I’d like to see is a pill men could take that makes them WORTH fucking. Now that’d be a revolutionary advance in medicine.

  14. CafeSiren

    thelmyc — thank you. That made me laugh.

  15. Joanna

    lt: I like how a “men’s rag” slipped into “men’s rage”!

    I remember when I first heard the expression–I had a confused image of men wearing capes and being hoisted into the air by them with some kind of block and tackle.

    Would the male pill correct spelling?

  16. antelope

    Yes they would forget – that’s why I was glad the article said they were thinking of making it an implant. Hopefully it’ll be an implant just barely under the skin so that you can see that it’s there, kind’a like how Norplant turned out on a lot of women.

    They could flex that manly bicep & show off the implant at the same time. Utterly gross, but hey, whatever works to keep those dudes from breeding until they grow up a bit is all to the good.

  17. scratchy888

    If a man is the measure of his spermatazoa, then maybe he can sire himself to pig farms in order to breed.

  18. Nia

    The photo is gorgeous, Twisty.

  19. HalfnHalf

    It’s a Happy Twisty Day!
    This is a subject that has been getting my ass clenched in fury for years.
    Oh, hell: A little (potential) “feminization” is ever so much WORSE than strokes, blood clots, horrible mood swings/depression, and oh yes, that pesky ol’ death, all of which we know are just some of possible side effects of the female oral contraceptive.

    Nice one here, Twisty.
    Loving it.

  20. femmeaufoyer

    Like my consoeurs above, I wouldn’t trust a man to use contraception. He simply doesn’t have the same stakes in not getting pregnant.

    Isn’t that sad.

  21. Twisty

    “This post was just shooting fish in a barrel.”

    Ha, I almost titled it “Shooting Fish In A Barrel” but I think I’ve already used that on about 37 posts.

  22. Sylvanite

    I love how so many male losers are super-eager to have lots of kids – until they actually have one. Then it turns out that it’s all this work, and the kid’s needs end up coming before their own, and they’re so expensive to maintain, but without the status a sports car would confer. Plus, the woman actually has some say in the matter (who’d have thought?).

    Yes, I’ve known a few people whose dads wanted 12 kids and ended up with two.

  23. hedonistic

    Forget the male pill, Viagra, etc: when are they coming out with Foreplay-Aigra? Inquiring minds wanna know!

  24. Mar Iguana

    “I’ve never been a proponent of the male pill. Not because I don’t think that men deserve to share the burden — I do! It’s just that I don’t trust ‘em to take the thing regularly, when they wouldn’t be the one to suffer the worst of the consequences.” CafeSiren

    My sentiments exactly, CafeSiren. They don’t face sex-related death as do the women in Ecuador for instance, among many other countries on this boys’ planet:

    In El Salvador, to give one horrendous example, abortion is not
    even possible for a woman with a fetus lodged in her fallopian
    tube, where it cannot grow. Doctors cannot help her until she
    has reached a danger point, either when her fetus dies or the
    tube ruptures.

    http://www.womensenews.org/article.cfm/dyn/aid/2953

    Men are such cowards at a very basic level. They have to create an artificial environment, AKA patriarchy, to appear as brave as women are in reality every time they literally risking their life creating life.

    Boys like Big J wouldn’t know an authentic emotion if one came up and bit him on his precious jewels. Except delusional fear. They definitely have that emotion nailed, so to speak.

  25. martha in mobile

    I’m just grateful that my husband is too emasculated to understand how humiliating was his “vesectamy.”

  26. grrr kitty

    Despite having plumbing in good working order, this post simply confirms my long-ago decision not to reproduce.

    The thing that grabs my snatch the wrong way is how even rational males expect their health insurance to bless their li’l blue boner pills, as if stiffies are a Divine Entitlement. May the curse of the Petard bite them all.

  27. finnsmotel

    “Shooting Fish In A Barrel”

    How about: Shooting Blanks From the Barrel

    ;-)

  28. saltyC

    Mar, the same laws making all pregnancy mandatory no matter what is about to be passed in Nicaragua, by Sandanista Daniel Ortega. Who, incidentally, raped his step-daughter starting when she was 11 until she became an adult. These facts are being ignored by progressive media such as Democracy Now which just did a piece about his wonderful victory.

  29. Keeshond

    Something suggests that “Big J” is big only in the beer gut department, wears dirty shirts with the sleeves cut off, and feels strongly that the Confederate flag is all-American, righteous decor. He likely believes that so much as wearing the color pink will cause his dick to fall off, and uses the phrase, “female problems”, but only in a stage whisper.

    And let’s not forget about Big J’s mullet or about his Camaro that he keeps up on block on his front lawn or about the fact that he laughs everytime he farts.

  30. Cousin A

    “Something suggests that “Big J” is big only in the beer gut department, wears dirty shirts with the sleeves cut off, and feels strongly that the Confederate flag is all-American, righteous decor.”

    If so, he would make for a very easy target indeed, not to mention a walking stereotype. I’m always on the lookout for dirty clothes.

    I, for one, am more concerned about the possibility — no, the near certainty — that a substantial contingent of well-scrubbed, Ivy League-educated males will express similar sentiments in prettier, more academic language to avoid altering the function of their prized genitals. I predict that they will be active members of the American Medical Association and the FDA.

  31. jnthnu

    Fantastic rippping of the system as always, Twisty. Cute kid too.

    A few rather unoriginal thoughts:

    1. Ugh @ people. Ugh @ the ignorance of the clearly demonstrated and often unpleasant if not incredibly dangerous side effects of female (until now, and continuing to be, it seems – an apparently redundant adjective) contraceptive pills/chemicals/implants/IUDs/etc.

    2. A pill that turns the penis into a vagina twice a week? Doesn’t sound like such a bad idea… in fact, sign me the fuck up! – but perhaps more enlightening if it were also/instead to turn one’s hyperinflated male ego into a menstruating female reproductive system once a month, and one’s beer gut into a pregnant uterus, and/or made men – ok, us – “worth fucking”. (Thank you, thelmyc, for the wistful chuckle) Noted @ the comments about not trusting men to actually consistently use a “Male Birth Control Pill” as the stakes are not “on them (ok, us.) Sadly true, I’m afraid. So forced sterilization it is, then! (that’s a joke meant in irony, not a dig at you, dear Twisty-readers)

    3. Non-surgical male contraceptive pill!? WTF took so long (that’s a rhetorical question, I know all too damn what took so long) Holy $expletive $diety, where do I sign up?

  32. finnsmotel

    I would be glad to be the pill-taker in my house. If only the pill tasted like a krispy kreme and made me lose weight!

    I have to agree with a few commenters, though, that the dependability of men, in general, to take the pill regularly is highly suspect. Something about the end result of a mistake not landing in our guts has me doubting. Actuarily, I’d suggest someone dig up the numbers on paternal child support abandonment as a possible parallel.

  33. Mandos

    It’ll probably find its place in certain kinds of monogamous relationships, and for men who really believe that they’ll get stuck with paternity suits. There’s a large space in-between where it probably wouldn’t be wise for women to rely on it.

    RISUG, on the other hand, is like a temporary vasectomy with an expiry date. It could come with an official certificate and all. But there’s no chance of it coming to North America any time soon.

  34. Sara

    That is a truly wonderful picture. And oh, look, mischief runs in the family. What a surprise.

    I’ve got to say that, even with all the petarded aspects of their posts, these great hulks of typing manhood have clarified something for me, and I am grateful. My inbox, you see, has become the chronic receptacle for a quantity of spam with diversely formed subject lines all purporting to offer me some kind of substance or device that will encourage my penis to “shoot big wads.” Aside from causing me to cluck my tongue over the obvious need for better demographic research among spammers, these little notes always made me wonder who ever thinks about this in the first place.

    Now I know. Thanks.

  35. cycles

    Sara: yes. One would think this makes the male pill even more enticing. A certain segment of gentlemen measures their manliness in terms of spunk-hurtling abilities. Unlike condoms, the pill would allow these broncos to shoot giant wads of it wherever they please. Presuming they could. I could give a shit, personally.

  36. communicatrix

    If you ask me, this is an egregious affront to true petards everywhere!

    If you ask me after I’m done laughing at my own sixth-grade humor, it would be a cool, crisp day in hell before I’d put something as important as temporary birth control in the hands of a dude. (I mean, if I hadn’t already done what I’ve already done to make it superfluous.) Just sayin’.

    Oh, and that photo? It’s like an AD for BABIES!!! The infernal cuteness!

  37. mearl

    “And the origin of the word “petard” is onomatopoetic–it mimics the sound of, I swear to you my dictionary actually says this, a fart.”

    Scarlet Pervygirl, does your dictionary tell you if the word’s origin is also the origin of the word “male?” Cause that’s the other thing that mimics the sound of a fart, usually when I’m in an argument with one about feminism, sex, or contraception.

    “Boys like Big J wouldn’t know an authentic emotion if one came up and bit him on his precious jewels.” – I read everyone’s post and throw my head back in hideous laughter. thelmyc, I fully agree about a pill to make men fuckable. It could be called, “Queer Eye for the Sexually Inept Guy.” Carson may be able to makeover men’s exterior, but there is no hope for them in the skills department unless the Queer Eye dudes step up their intervention policy.

    I have often considered a solution for patriarchy and the lousy fate that smart hetero women face when offered the double-edged sword of remaining single or dealing with one of the race of lumpen jellyfish that constitutes our option for personal and sexual interaction, and here is my idea: since women are coming up in greater numbers into science and genetic engineering, why don’t we start a fund to create a third sex? The options would be endless. Naturally, the third sex would be sexually inaccessible to men, so they’d feel the competition squeezing down on them like a pressure cooker, and they’d step up their efforts. As it stands, men know we have limited options, so they relax in all their putrid glory, confidently mewling their misspelled blindsided misogynist opinions to the world.

  38. Jenevieve

    “…an enterprise any invertebrate can perform with its eye closed and its tentacles tied behind its stomachfoot…”

    I heart you, Twisty! That made me laugh all day!

    p.s. Is it alright to use ellipses in an appropriate context, such as the one above? Or should they simply be avoided at all costs?

  39. Loorol

    The Denmark comment speaks for itself. I’ll stick to Big J.

    Big J again: “I think men and women look at their bodies differnently [sic]. Men have an emotional tie to their “balls.” It just seems like the Pill would be easier to take for women, emotionally. I don’t know why, but I don’t care if I was 80 years old, I couldn’t do anything like taking this Pill. I’d rather get a vesectamy(sp)[sic], which is humiliating as well.”

    Women have assumed the responsibility for birth control in part because the stakes are higher for us. Fair enough. However, with all the data about potentially serious side effects from the pill, why is it expected that women should continue to take it instead of exploring other options? In a way (a clunky, inarticulate way), Big J got it right. His argument that the pill is easier for women to take, emotionally. From the perspective of the man and his emotions, he’s spot-on. It’s definitely less emotionally trying for men to have women run the risk of serious health side effects than for men to put themselves at risk.

    That’s not where the analysis should end, though. Our reproductive systems are often seen as messy, inconvenient, and potentially dangerous in their ability to burden us or a dude with a baby we or he or both of us don’t want just then. Male reproductive systems, on the other hand, are power and privilege tidily packaged and tied with a penis-shaped bow. Why do many women put up with the risks of birth control? It isn’t that they have fewer emotions tied to their reproductive systems, but rather that for many women, many of the emotions tied to their reproductive systems are negative. Too many of us accept the social baggage that comes with a uterus and menstrual cycles, and if we can stop some of those things without permanently destroying our ability to bear children (which would be patriarchally unfriendly), many of us do it. Having convinced one group of their lesser worth, it generally requires little effort to get the underclass to buy into self-harming behaviors. Women’s reproductive health care (from the Pill to the widely overused Cesarian) is a shining example.

    All that said, I’m not a big fan of chemicals in my body on a routine basis, and I wouldn’t advocate my partner take a pill either, as he feels the same way–about my body and about his own. However, for other people who don’t feel that way, the male pill could be a solution (especially if potential side effects are less devastating than those of the female pill), though I agree with the commenters above who mentioned it would be most effective in certain types of monogamous relationships.

    Oh–one last thing:
    B. Dagger Lee, you rock my socks.
    “What do we want??
    Envagination!!”

  40. cycles

    Big J again: “I think men and women look at their bodies differnently [sic]. Men have an emotional tie to their “balls.” It just seems like the Pill would be easier to take for women, emotionally.

    Men DO have an emotional tie to their cojones. But let’s not just leave it at that. Although a balls = power metaphor exists, that doesn’t make it right, and it certainly doesn’t mean the metaphor can’t change over time, due to its being completely idiotic as-is.

    In fact, I’m having a hard time formulating this thought, because it’s the testes that get the attention; the sperm and semen inside them are bit players. Even if we acknowledge the metaphor, what exactly is the problem?

  41. finnsmotel

    “Even if we acknowledge the metaphor, what exactly is the problem?”

    The problem is that many do not consider it a metaphor.

    Similarly, many Christians have mistaken their mythology and metaphor for historical fact and dogma.

    It says something in favor of a theory of entropy or de-evolution that so many have been born without the ability to think metaphorically.

  42. Theresac

    Indeed. A male pill. That sounds all shinny and happy and safe but in the real world, it would not fly – at least, not in my world.

    If I was a dating woman (I’m not – I’m married) I would not trust any man who proclaimed to be on “The Pill”. Sorry dude. I take responsibility for my own reproduction – or lack thereof in my case. In the end, I’m the one who has to deal with the consequences, not you.

    And yes, the almighty testicles rule! Let’s not mess with mother nature. Don’t let anyone mess with those balls.

  43. Beth in Michigan

    Obviously, the solution is better spin. Big J and his ilk merely need to be reminded that among the side effects of female birth control are weight gain and moodiness. Nothing those bad boys hate worse then having their women-folk turn into fat bitches. Additionally, Big J has forgotten that as the bigger, stronger, manly man his hormones and emotions are much more rational and compromising then those of the, ahem, weaker sex. Thus it’s the manly thing to do to exercise control of ones own swimmers.

    Hmmm, I got through that whole paragraph with a straight face. I wonder if I’m becoming jaded?

    Twisty, that is one adorable little naked bit (blamer in training) up there. Please give those toes a nibble for me.

  44. gennimcmahon

    As a former single welfare mother, I can attest that the marketing of the male pill would be a complete success if the child support guidelines were raised to a level that would actually SUPPORT the children in question. I would think that if each future offspring were to cost a father a minimum of $500 a month, he might suddenly forget about his qualms concerning manliness and double his dosage for good measure. (What to do when men quit their jobs to avoid paying? Easy, government work programs were successful in the 1930s and could be so, now. Simply require any “unemployed” fathers to enroll in a program rebuilding levees in New Orleans and mail the paycheck to the kiddoes). I had a lot of time to think about this each month when I received my check in the amount of $50 to support two children.

  45. Jezebella

    Though I would never, not in a million years, trust any man to take his Birth Control Pill in a responsible manner, I do think it would be a useful backup for the guys who do manage to get it right. Two contraceptive methods are always better than one.

    And, furthermore, those “Men’s Rights” guys who are always bitching about getting “tricked” into fatherhood should be the first in line for a prescription. IOW: If you ain’t on the pill, my brutha, you don’t get to whine and moan about having to pay child support.

    As for Lil J and his swimmers, I could give a fuck. The dude is a moron, but let’s be clear about something. Those of you who are assuming he is mulleted, working class, and Southern, remember this: Southern men don’t own the monopoly on congenital idiocy. A whole lot of guys with nice houses, bourgeois haircuts, and yankee addresses think exactly the same way as Bubba.

  46. gennimcmahon

    I’m abusing my manners but must respond, since I characterized the gentleman in question. I was actually thinking of someone not Southern but who lives right down the street here in the West. I’ve seen that guy in the Midwest, the East, and everywhere in between (Confederate flag and all). I would agree too that my lighthearted jest does not capture the most misogynist–physicians and other higher ups who like the status quo that protects their woman hating positions. The uneducated merely parrot the elite who are pulling all the puppet strings.

  47. simplywondered

    the physician who can’t spell vesectamy – i shan’t be letting him inspect my elbow, just in case.

    i am attached to them, but you can cack on my knackers as long as you keep your narsty thieving hands off my ellipses; an ellipsis is the sound of god coughing.

  48. Ms Kate

    Cultivating pride in the sub-cerebral ability to manufacture sperm cells — an enterprise any invertebrate can perform with its eye closed and its tentacles tied behind its stomachfoot

    GARP! GARRRRRRP!

  49. Leigh

    Big J says he is concerned about harming all the potential Rhodes Scholars “in there.” Rhodes Scholars? Usually, they can spell. Better hope the lil one inherits a grasp of English from the “Mrs.”

  50. thebewilderness

    Ginnimcmahon,
    That was my first thought too. If there is a pill available for men the she tricked me by getting pregnant argument is history. Which probably explains why the male contraceptive pill has been such a long time coming. The wild oats boys will be boys myth in our society is dependent upon their not being able to help their poor judgement and incontinence.

  51. FamousSovietAthlete

    so taken with Big J’s nut-centric weltanschauung

    He also fancies Big J’s weltansschlong.

    And now I’ll try to deflect attention away from what I just wrote by asking why a vaginaphobe would take Denmark Vesey’s name as his own. Do you think it has something to do with the quality of his petard?

  52. scratchy888

    Men DO have an emotional tie to their cojones.

    I certainly have a tie to various parts of my anatomy as well.

  53. Pretty Lady

    Oh, darlings, you’re so hard on the dear boys. Truly, I find one of the least sexy statements on the planet to be, ‘Don’t worry, I’m sterile.’

  54. antelope

    To each their own – I have been in a context where, “don’t worry, I’ve had a vasectomy” was perfectly believable and incredibly sexy.

  55. hedonistic

    “I’ve had a vasectomy” is one of the sexiest pickup lines I have ever heard. Still, he will wear a condom anyway, because no pill or vasectomy is going to protect me from the STD he picks up from his next jaunt to Vegas.

    Plus, I’m on the pill. Triple protection? PRICELESS.

    It just occurred to me that the MRA types who complain about the sperm-stealing succubi probably don’t get laid enough to warrant taking a pill every day.

  56. Mar Iguana

    “I’ve had a vasectomy” or any other variation of “I want to fuck you now” as a pick-up line would not be inspiring me to say “Ooh baby, ooh baby.”

  57. thelmyc

    Agreed. How about “Lookie this enormous check I just wrote to NARAL?” Now that’d make my head turn.

  58. yankee transplant

    The Twisty-related baby is absolutely beautiful.
    The post? Classic.

  59. Ms Kate

    Hmmm, wouldn’t a doctor understand the essential physiologic difference between endocrine alterations of androgenic hormones and the selective impedence of an essential biochemical pathway specific to spermatogenesis, but not involving circulating androgens?

    In otherwords, you don’t need to kill testosterone to kill sperm. And you may be able to kill sperm without affecting anything else. Duhhhhh!

  60. Ron Sullivan

    Ms Kate, I love it when you talk dirty.

  61. thinkinggirl

    I wrote a post on this topic just the other day. MY male commenters were so much more clever than Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum here in this post, although most were worried about side effects (like women don’t have any of those!). One of my chief concerns with male contraception is the chance of it decreasing condom use and increasing STIs.

  62. JohnFrangerson

    Nice Post.

    That was well said. Always appreciate your indepth views. Keep up the great work!

    John

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