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Dec 29 2006

Twisty Goes to Camp: A Very Special Episode

Note: This is a post about a post about a lot of posts about another post. If recursive blogular navel-gazing chokes you with ennui, you might consider reading something more riveting, like the reference manual to Microsoft Excel.

This morning, as the rosy fingers of dawn chucked the Austin sky under its easy-goin’ chin, an email from a long-time reader dazzled me with the intelligence that I, Twisty Faster, am being “damned on no less than a dozen blogs.” The reader congratulated me on the accomplishment. Of course the only thing worse than being damned on no less than a dozen blogs is being damned on no less than eleven blogs. Still, damning is damning, and as I had a spare 30 minutes in today’s hectic schedule of bungee jumping, crack smoking, and mud wrestling, I decided to look into the matter.

My method was flawlessly scientific. I consulted SiteMeter for a list of web pages from which I Blame The Patriarchy was recently accessed. From this I determined that most of the no-less-than-a-dozen blogs are a single post at Feministe (interestingly, the next-highest share of referrals belonged to a blog called Comics Worth Reading, which for some reason does not damn me much at all; somewhat further down the food chain I found a forum of bottomfeeding teenage boys who just can’t get over the S.C.U.M. Manifesto, gushing with relish “what is the summery to this shit? Gawd women talk to much”).

The inspiration for the damning Feministe thread turned out to be a mammoth (250+ comments) thread here at I Blame The Patriarchy. The thread was one that had been hijacked, as innocent young threads so often are, from a conversation on lipstick-as-a-human-rights-violation to, of all things, a referendum on transgenderism. My multi-blogular damnation has been occasioned by the “hate speech” that flowed unchecked amongst the commentariat on that thread. My damners fall, as far as I can tell, into three camps. I will now list the camps, and follow with remarks personalized for each.

Camp 1 contains the damners who believe me to be an inefficient blog moderator, and that it is, in fact, irresponsible to be an inefficient blog moderator.

Camp 2 contains those who believe that I do not take sufficient interest in transgender politics and am therefore “transphobic”.

Camp 3 (my favorite camp) contains those who believe I am a mesmerizing cult leader.

To Camp 1 campers: It is true that my moderating skillz are not mad. On those occasions when the pressing duties of spinster auntdom prevent me from poring over any given discussion in detail, it is my policy to more or less rely on the commentariat to keep a civil tongue in its head, or at the very least refrain from total jerkbag asswipery. Usually, because my readers are not, as a rule, idiots, this policy is sufficiently efficacious; whether it is irresponsible I cannot say, but if it is, then irresponsible I must be, for the sad truth is that there will always be times when I can’t lavish the blog with the tender affection and gentle caresses it so richly deserves.

Fortunately, in this case Shannon had the graciousness to intervene with a timely (she called it “angry”) email.

To those Camp 1 campers who desire the satisfaction of open retribution or revenge banning or what have you, I’m afraid I will be unable to oblige you; though nothing says “Happy New Year!” like a good, unfettered public humiliation, I find I am not sufficiently constituted to slog through that whole stupid thread merely to make a show of dominating a few morons. The offending parties know who they are, and in future will either put a sock in it or risk disemvowelation.

To Camp 2 campers: While transgender politics is not my area of expertise, I’m certainly not going to stand in the way of anyone who feels like transgendering. To suggest that I am “transphobic,” or that I support discrimination against, vilification of, or inconvenient restroom conditions for transpersons — while perhaps understandable given the circumstance of the recent unpleasantness — is to grossly mischaracterize my views.

To Camp 3 campers: I’ll be dispensing Kool-Aid tomorrow afternoon at Flipnotics, right after lunch. Bring cashier’s checks and all your worldly possessions.

UPDATE: Just after posting this essay, I discovered quite a breathtaking little “fuck-you Twisty non-sense” post at brownfemipower, too. Over 300 comments! So much damning, and so little time!

95 comments

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  1. Pinko Punko

    The only upside to this debacle is that I have thought a lot about transgender issues, so I’ll take the upside on this shitty happening.

  2. JackGoff

    Camp 2 contains those who believe that I do not take sufficient interest in transgender politics and am therefore “transphobic”.

    Nah. It’s more along the lines that you don’t give two shits about the debate, or your don’t really care about people spouting hatred on your blog. That isn’t something that you necessarily have to do, of course, but I’ll be damned if I link to people who link to you.

    It would be the same if I linked to LGF and claimed that I thought Charles Johnson was a nice person, but his commenters were a bunch of bigots. Same on your thread.

  3. Melinda Casino

    BrownFemiPower’s piece is the first one linked to in the Feministe post you refer to; and it’s listed in your post as an update? Surely you hovered your mouse over each and every linked word, as I did…?

  4. Twisty

    “I’ll be damned if I link to people who link to you.”

    Luckily, my self-righteous young JackGoff, there’s plenty of damning to go around.

    You know, this blog has 20,000 readers a week. I bet you a dollar only 6 of’em are bigots.

  5. Pony

    Brilliant.

  6. Shannon

    Also, thanks to the blowup, I remembered to mention transgender issues to people who want to educate the youth about AIDS.

  7. vmarinelli

    Well m’dear, remember what Adrienne Rich wrote:

    Everything we write
    will be used against us
    or against those we love.
    These are the terms,
    take them or leave them…

    We move but our words stand
    become responsible
    for more than we intended
    and this is verbal privilege [...]

    (from North American Time)

    Evidently, the blame-game (as it were) extends; not only will your own words be used against you and those you love, but the words of everyone who happens to comment on your blog (oh shit… I guess that includes me!) will also be used against you and those you love. (Or, as the poem also posits: “…those we did not love but also did not want to kill…”)

    (*sigh*)

    Such is the blaming life, I s’pose.

  8. Jill

    Twisty, I love your writing and I think that you’re brilliant. But I think you’re being unfair to piny and all the other people who have objected to the comments that were posted here.

    Piny’s post was incredibly fair. He didn’t demonize you, or suggest that all your commenters had drunk the Kool-Aid. He tried to start a conversation on what constitutes hate speech, and where blog moderates should draw the line.

    Had your blog traditionally been a free-for-all where comments are never moderated, I don’t think that this would be an issue. But you’ve established a fairly restrictive moderation policy, which fairly excludes novice patriarchy-blamers, and people who post sexist/misogynist/woman-hating comments. That’s part of the reason, I think, that so many people come here — they know they don’t have to deal with the random anti-woman trolls who frequent other feminist blogs. So when we read hateful, transphobic comments, we can’t help but wonder why they were allowed through when similarly hateful comments about women would be quickly deleted and the commenter banned.

    To characterize your critics in such a flippant, dismissive way is unfair to them. Piny’s post wasn’t “damning;” it wasn’t even critical. He was asking important questions about the issues that your thread raised. This is your little corner of the internet, and of course you are welcome to do with it what you wish. But I have to wonder why you’re fully willing to ban and ridicule misogynists, but won’t extend the same treatment to people who are transphobic and abusive in your space.

  9. Atzbanite

    Hmmm, (envision some chin stroking in a thoughtful manner) there are very few feminist bloggers or writers whom I can tolerate, yourself being one of them. I think I’ve mentioned before that there is a gift to being able to see what something says says and not just the what is says. Most people get very uncomfortable with even that secondary level of introspection, the rest, I believe, gets relegated to Hell.

    I also have little tolerance for the fluffing of language and would rather read an honest fuck than a polite sugar any day, even though my own penning of randomness tends towards social accepted-ness since it’s mostly geared to immediate family. (Mainly stemming from laziness and revulsion in not wanting to prattle to 200 individuals and their insanity in a nicely sugar coated individual letters kinda’ way, I can pretend I’m writing to one person)

    Speaking of transgendering, I just posted this: http://southernyanks.blogspot.com/2006/12/it-seemed-like-good-idea.html
    before I visited here. It might give you a tiny post-tramatic-holiday-revulsion chuckle.

  10. Ms Kate

    Geepers. One would think that the HipKoolMamaAid drinking on the web was a necessary progantifemism mandate from reading the hijack and the lowdown.

    Oh yeah, that site collapsed under the weight of it’s own petty little thought-policing and queen bee’s tantric tantrum, didn’t it. .

    If you don’t like what you see here, call it out yer own self. Twisty Poppins may be a spinster aunt, but she’s not a nanny. Cheers to Twisty for not accepting the Mandatory Web Role of Protector Of Every Self-Proclaimed Oppressed Body’s Feelings and Generalized Ism Patroller!

  11. Twisty

    Jill, you are correct that Piny’s post is not critical, and any implication that it is was not intentional. Piny’s a prince. The “damning” theme refers to the various commenters across the blogosphere, who, let’s face it, aren’t exactly Up With Twisty.

    Look, I’m just one person. One lone chump. Sometimes I can’t follow every goddam comment thread. It’s been a helluva couple of weeks, and that one just got away from me and I’m mighty sorry it did.

    Thanks for writing.

  12. yankee transplant

    Please pass the Kool Aid

  13. j

    At least you can take comfort in the knowledge that you have a group of mesmerized cult followers who love you.

    Incidentally, I had not and have not read that comment thread. I believe I stopped reading it when it got really long. There is an interesting thing to be said about whether a blog owner is her commenters’ keeper.

  14. rootlesscosmo

    You’re a mesmerizing prose stylist, is what you are. Rosy-fingered dawn? Reading you is always fun, whether you’re Blaming or reviewing Austin drive-through restaurants. Happy New Year and long may you wave on high.

  15. Mar Iguana

    (Siren wail) Uh oh. Ummm, Twisty allowed the IBTP commentariat to get all “out of hand” over here. Bad, Twisty. Bad. I do love getting out of hand. I live for getting out of hand. And, acting up to boot.

    My gaud, woman. Where’s your sense of duty to the blogosphere, lo, the very space/time continuum? Allowing my ilk to run amok in a wild-mouthed frenzy. Oh, the humanity!

    I do have one leettle question. I don’t fit the profile (white, privileged, wealthy, transphobic, homophobic*, hate-mongering, navel-gazing, racist, etc.) yet I post here. How is it possible?

    I hear the ban, ban, beat of the tom toms in the distance. Just caught the familiar whiff of burning stakes and faggots too. I hate it when boom, there I am again, at another inquisition.

    Can’t afford to bring any cashier’s checks and you wouldn’t want my worldly possessions but, can I drop by, necessarily in spirit only, for the Kool-Aid anyways? What color you bringing?

    *The only phobia I suffer from is ignoraphobia, the fear of the willfully ignorant.

  16. Jack

    Your “mighty sorry” in a comment above is the first time that I’ve seen you come even close to apologizing for the spew that was spewed on your blog. Of course, you didn’t spew it. And of course, we all get busy and (hopefully) have lives beyond the Internet and our blogs that are far more important than monitoring comments for bad behavior.

    However, if you really gave a damn about the many horribly transphobic comments that were posted – like that “Silence of the Lambs” comment, for instance, that one sticks out in particular – then you would’ve at least made a genuine gesture of apology. Instead, all you’ve done is be utterly dismissive, saying, “Hey, not my fault, I’m not a transphobe, now let me make fun of your objections to ‘hate speech’ (note the extra-dismissive quotes around that)!”

    Jill made some very good points about what gets by the moderation policies around here and what doesn’t. You can claim all you want that your views are being grossly mischaracterized, but actions speak far louder than words. What you fail to act on – some blatant transphobia – perhaps reveals what you fail to care about or deem important enough to do anything about.

  17. Mar Iguana

    “Sometimes I can’t follow every goddam comment thread. It’s been a helluva couple of weeks, and that one just got away from me and I’m mighty sorry it did.”

    Think I’ll take a pass on the Kool-Aid after all.

  18. Ms Kate

    Jack, if you want to have a safe place on the web for “right side of the middle of the stream left wing apathetics” or what have you, go make one yourself. It is completely unfair to demand that Twisty provide one just for you, because it is HER space and, moreover, an intense burden. I have seen attempts at “policing” all comments and message board posts result in the complete collapse of online communities under the weight of that burden, even when there were multiple moderators!

    Not only is this logistically impossible, it can also be said to be philosophically undesirable. I would not have much interest in an enforced echo chamber, because you learn nothing when things are that enforced because the level of discourse tanks. What is left is strangulated discussions that degenerate whenever any mention about going out for Chinese Food provokes an “intervention” and thread derailing amidst dogpiling of lectures about ethnic insensitivity and so on and so forth.

    Spinster Aunt does not equal Nanny or Schoolmarm.

  19. evil fizz

    I would not have much interest in an enforced echo chamber, because you learn nothing when things are that enforced because the level of discourse tanks.

    So you learn something when people call each other nutjobs, compare others to psychopathic killers, and label others as idiotic, defective children? Duly noted.

    Spinster Aunt does not equal Nanny or Schoolmarm.

    No, it equals blog proprietor, which entails either a “I don’t regulate comments,” or a “Oops, I didn’t realize that thread was out of hand, I apologize.”

  20. JackGoff

    I bet you a dollar only 6 of’em are bigots.

    1. 2. 50. What number do you draw the line at? Again. DO. YOU. CARE?! I’m not self-righteous. I have plenty of flaws. I own up to them when confronted with them.

  21. darkymac

    Mar Iguana,
    I hate it when boom, there I am again, at another inquisition.

    I reckon*

    It appears to me that the Witchfinder General sends out troops to gather gen on any popular web writer who is not thick enough to toe the patriarchy line. It is so easy to inflame at weak points once these nasty patriarchy-discombobulators have been fingered.
    As Torquemada was often heard to remark to his wife ~ any charge is as good as another when you are turning the rack.

    The host has cried stop turning it, for the first time:
    Sometimes I can’t follow every goddam comment thread. It’s been a helluva couple of weeks, and that one just got away from me and I’m mighty sorry it did.
    and this done in the middle of an essay that canvasses what part of the web links to this site as worth more than a passing paragraph in an essay on any other topic.

    Oh well,
    What a day, what a day, for an auto da fe.

    Pinko Punko, bien cordiale poignée de main for your staunchness in the line of Pony fire.
    There’s no good english expression for the french thang there but the action would be a handshake along with a big smile.

    At which point, the darkymac freedom lobe exploded.

    *Australian idiomatic expression of absolute agreement

  22. soiree

    Hi,

    I’ve been reading here a while, but like many others, haven’t commented here before.

    I really like this blog. I’m not going to stop reading this blog. I’m not going to stop linking to this blog. I don’t feel like the valuable writing is overwhelmed by the nastiness of that comment thread.

    But I do feel a bit like the magnitude of how bad that comment thread isn’t coming across in your writing or apology, Twisty. Comparing transpeople to serial killers, suggesting they want us to eat their shit, calling them nutjobs… that’s not ‘hate speech,’ that’s hate speech without disclaimer. It’s mean and bigoted and hurtful.

    If you were too busy or disinterested or whatever to moderate that thread, that’s understandable. I would kind of like to see you condemn the speech and disemvowel it and ask a couple choice people to leave. But it ain’t my blog, and my wishes shouldn’t prevail here, of course.

    But there’s something about this post, even though it contains terms like “total jerkbag asswipery” — which I do think is descriptive of the comments involved — which suggests the tone here is humorous or defensive, rather than understanding of the injury that can be caused by hate speech. As a reader, I am uncomfortable with that.

    (By the way, Camp 3 is ably represented by belledame at Fetch My Axe.)

  23. jbeeky

    I am surprised that such ugly motives are being projected onto what appears to be a slip in vigilence at the Twisy abode. Maybe it is just my berryblast colored sunglasses…….

  24. Ginger Mayerson

    This puzzles me; aren’t we supposed to offended by Twisty’s posts, not the comments on those posts?

    Ah well, good thing I don’t come here to read the comments.

  25. j

    What I don’t understand is why the outrage is primarily directed at Twisty rather than at the commenters who exhibited transphobic bigotry.

  26. JackGoff

    This puzzles me; aren’t we supposed to offended by Twisty’s posts, not the comments on those posts?

    This puzzles me; aren’t we supposed to offended by [random Free Republic writer]‘s posts, not the comments on [their] posts?

  27. JackGoff

    What I don’t understand is why the outrage is primarily directed at Twisty rather than at the commenters who exhibited transphobic bigotry.

    If you read the actual thread, which I am unconvinced that Twisty ever did, I did exactly as you say. It wasn’t enough to keep said commenters from being able to spout bigotry.

  28. Ilyka

    This puzzles me; aren’t we supposed to offended by [random Free Republic writer]’s posts, not the comments on [their] posts?

    JackGoff, I love you lots and lots, but the Freeper analogy’s only any good if you ignore the difference in scale, and there’s a vast difference in scale here. Ditto LGF, where well over 90% of the commenters are hate-filled bigots. Twisty’s blog manages maybe 10% on its worst days.

    I don’t know much, but I do know how many right-wing blogs I used to read and how often, so again: Huge difference in scale. Trust me on this. Or, you could try arguing for respectful treatment of transpeople at Free Republic. Do you have lots of aspirin handy? How about vodka?

    I can see why people are concerned about the similarity regardless, and obviously no one wants this blog to trend Freeper-ward. I guess that is why Twisty received hundreds of concerned emails from people offering to help out with the comment moderation during what is doubtless a very busy time of year for even the most godless spinster aunt. This feminist community, it is all about fixing problems, and never about splashing them all over the internet to the delight of the patriarchy.

  29. slade

    j said: “What I don’t understand is why the outrage is primarily directed at Twisty rather than at the commenters who exhibited transphobic bigotry.”

    Yea. Are the outraged afraid to confront the poster(s) that they have a problem with?

    Twisty has no power over what others say or think….well, I don’t so. Unless, of course, they drink of the KoolAid.

    Oh, and spew you, jack.

  30. auguste

    I think it’s possible to decide that I Blame the Patriarchy is not a place one wants to spend one’s time without deciding that Twisty’s moderation or lack thereof is the reason.

    I, myself, agree that the comments cited here are hate speech. No one cares what I agree with, but my point is that if IBTP has discussions which include, without embarrassment on the part of the speaker, hate speech, IBTP may be a place worth avoiding for one person or another. This does not, however, mean that Twisty is a person who approves of, laughs off, endorses, is responsible for said speech.

    If the offensive comments mean you can’t be here, that’s what they mean. If they mean you can’t link to those who link here, which will include me (and aren’t you heartbroken), that’s what they mean, too.

  31. Ginger Mayerson

    This puzzles me; aren’t we supposed to offended by [random Free Republic writer]’s posts, not the comments on [their] posts?

    Oh, now, Jack, you’re just being silly.

    Actually, Shakespeare’s Sister does a much better job telling you where the bus stops on your own blog. https://www2.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=126102760376851727&postID=8551361411771437311

    Oh, no, don’t thank me for the link. It’s courtesy of Twisty, unless, in her role as comment moderator, she decides to delete my post. You obviously want some attention, you might as well get a little on your own blog for a change.

  32. JackGoff

    Twisty’s blog manages maybe 10% on its worst days.

    Ilyka, I love you too, but I don’t care about a piddling argument over percentages. IT’S THE ARGUMENT THAT MATTERS. One bigot who gets applause from the peanut gallery is enough to make me question how many people who DIDN’T comment at that thread believe and adhere to the exact same bigotry as the commenter who was being applauded.

    Spew me, slade. Spew all the people you want to spew. It’s your right, on this blog.

  33. JackGoff

    You obviously want some attention, you might as well get a little on your own blog for a change.

    Nah. I’m cool with people who aren’t bigots to post on my blog. I disagree with a few aspects of Shakes on her post, which I read. It was my blog after all. I care about who posts there and what they say. Twisty doesn’t because well garsh, too many people post here, and damned if it isn’t hard to keep track of them all.

    I want no attention, and if you deem it worthy to post bigotry on my blog, I’m going to delete it.

  34. Ginger Mayerson

    I want no attention, and if you deem it worthy to post bigotry on my blog, I’m going to delete it.

    This is like talking to a drunk.

    Twisty, I salute you, Happy New Year, Live Long and Prosper, I’ll see you in 2007.

    Aloha everyone.

  35. j

    I have now read the comment thread. It was an arduous task.

    Jack, do you believe a blogger has the duty to read every single comment posted on his or her site?

    My opinion: Bloggers are responsible for their own words. Commenters are responsible for their own words. Bloggers are not responsible for their commenters’ words.

    Blogging is supposed to be an enjoyable hobby, not a burdensome chore. Comment moderation should not be one of the implicit duties of blogging. If Twisty exhibited a misplaced faith in the goodness of humanity by not moderating the comment thread, this does not in any way imply transphobia on her part. I personally found the thread uninteresting and would not have read it if not for the controversy that has erupted, so I can understand that other people, including Twisty, ignored that to which attention ought to have been paid.

  36. JackGoff

    This is like talking to a drunk.

    I am drunk. It doesn’t change much re: my argument. The “attention” given to my POS blog doesn’t mean shit to me. How transgender people are treated on feminist blogs does.

    Jack, do you believe a blogger has the duty to read every single comment posted on his or her site?

    Well, why have a blog? Does it not say anything about the blogger when they allow bigots to post on their blog without coming up with an argument against them, or allowing other commenters to create such an argument. I was too cowardly to make a full argument against Luckynkl here, because there were too many people here in support of her, even people I used to respect. I had hoped Twisty, a person who is ten times smarter and more articulate that I could ever hope to be would call such bigotry out. I was disappointed. Does that matter? Nope. I’m just some jackoff.

    Does it matter to transgender people?

  37. auguste

    I may not agree with JackGoff’s take on this, or at least not every aspect, but he is arguing from logic. Calling him a drunk? Not constructive.

    My point is, the kind of dismissal of others that’s going on seems like what we do to trolls. Why are we doing it to people who are arguing from good faith, and have a track record of same? If anyone should be dismissed or denigrated, it’s the hate-speakers. If anyone.

  38. antelope

    There’s a not so funny joke that’s been around since at least the ’50s about how the left wing firing squad uses a circle formation.

    It’s no big surprise that it’s still true.

    What I wonder about, though, is how many of the people who enjoy firing on their allies online also enjoy doing it when someone shows up in person at a rally or as a volunteer or whatever and doesn’t approve and disapprove of all the exact same things as themselves? Or doesn’t dress right, or talk right, so that the whole fucking thing is just another excercise in the “cool” kids looking down their noses at everyone else.

    I’ve been thinking a lot lately about trying to change careers so that I can do more on the issues that matter to me, but fear of the left wing firing squad is a very real concern in thinking about all that. More than ever now that I’ve taken a glance around at some of the links on this mess.

  39. slade

    Someone posted the other day about this fight over MTFs and said somthing that stuck with me.

    Why aren’t people as upset over Darfur? The rapes, mutilations, tortures and murders in Juarez? Hell, the rapes here in the US of A? Why is everyone so vehement in their defense of MTFs over all the issues that women (over half the population) face? Why is that?

    What about the economic problems of single mothers? Damn…these women have been screwed…remember Welfare Reform under Billy? See any good Child Care Programs lately? Head Start? What about health care for uninsured kids…that’s usually a problem that mothers have to face. Where’s the outrage? What about control over our bodies and our destinies? Birth Control…priced that lately? Last I looked, $40/month…if your pharmacist decides to sell it to you. And what just happened in South Dakota? Get raped by your brother? Tough shit, girlie, you’re giving birth to a daughter and a niece! Where’s the outrage? Where’s the help? Where’s the sisterhood? Where’s the understanding?

    I’m not going to list the statistics about single mothers…but damn…there’s been a fucking War on Women since the Reagan years and it’s the only war W is winning. Get riled up over that. Damn it.

    If someone wants to change their sex, that’s OK with me. But I guess I would have a problem if MTF started to tell me what my experience is/was…or mention that I should wear lipstick. (Didn’t this whole todo begin with a discussion about lipstick?) And correct me if I’m wrong…but don’t MTFs enjoy years as males…soaking up privlege?

    I have always been female….couldn’t hide it….well, except for that one Halloween. That one day of privlege was fun.

    So I can see why the patriarchy loves this argument…and why all the boys have shown up lately. Does the patriarchy look at this as: once a boy, always a boy? And therefore, let’s go give those feminists some crap about how they question their ‘own?’

    I feel like the college republicans have invaded…and they are turning logic on its head….a skill that the Rove teaches them at weekend seminars.

    Now I’m going to drink Scotch.

  40. JackGoff

    Yep, here’s my College Repug card right here slade.

    (Hint: I ain’t holding anything)

    Sure, argue that I’m simply standing in for the patriarchy in defending transgender people. Some might say I’m standing in defense of the dirty queer sissy boys who are going to hell when Jeebus returns to smite the wicked. I’ll leave you to guess what fuckstains make that argument.

    You know what? I don’t care anymore. That’s what you wanted anyway, right? To make the people you despise to say “to hell with this” and walk away. Too bad transgender people HAVE NOWHERE TO GO when they do.

    And here’s your Dewar’s, asshole.

  41. Bea

    Twisty,

    You are by far the funniest writer I have ever had the pleasure to read. I think your critics basically resent you because of their feeling too dull and inadequate (where language skills are concerned) to comment on your blog – me included (except I don’t resent you).

    As for moderation, I do agree that you are responsible for what is posted on your blog, but I wouldn’t take seriously any charge of irresponsibility from people who, themselves, do not moderate their blogs.

    Hate speech? Where?

    By the way, did your ‘About’ section use to read ‘…to exacerbate the radical feminist views…’?

  42. darkymac

    This is a repeat of a post that hasn’t appeared in the comments thread since about 11.30pm 29th of December, 2006
    I respectfully submit it as my last for a long while.
    Interest wanes rapidly when the web takes itself this seriously.
    Best wishes to our host for a swift return to the peace of mind that will allow full rein to the flow of inspired darn funny writing.

    Begin repeated post:

    Mar Iguana,
    I hate it when boom, there I am again, at another inquisition.

    I reckon*

    It appears to me that the Witchfinder General sends out troops to gather gen on any popular web writer who is not thick enough to toe the patriarchy line. It is so easy to inflame at weak points once these nasty patriarchy-discombobulators have been fingered.
    As Torquemada was often heard to remark to his wife ~ any charge is as good as another when you are turning the rack.

    The host has cried stop turning it, for the first time:
    Sometimes I can’t follow every goddam comment thread. It’s been a helluva couple of weeks, and that one just got away from me and I’m mighty sorry it did.
    and this done in the middle of an essay that canvasses what part of the web links to this site as worth more than a passing paragraph in an essay on any other topic.

    Oh well,
    What a day, what a day, for an auto da fe.

    Pinko Punko, bien cordiale poignée de main for your staunchness in the line of Pony fire.
    There’s no good english expression for the french thang there but the action would be a handshake along with a big smile.

    At which point, the darkymac freedom lobe exploded.

    *Australian idiomatic expression of absolute agreement

  43. JackGoff

    Hate speech? Where?

    [Last Comment]And there it is. “Hate speech?! For real? I’m not sure where it was, but damn, couldn’t be! Not here, of all places. We Are the supreme beautiful pearl blog-fantastic! Surely never here!”

    Precisely the attitude people have displayed during this entire fiasco. One person, who I deeply respected, questioned why I would delink this blog and all who link to it. Ecce verbum. “Hate speech? Where?” Either you aren’t reading or you agree with said hate speech, and it’s hard for you to see that it is, indeed, hate speech.

    Said person even suggested that I was trying to coerce you and all who link to you to such and such end. Nah. If you need to be coerced to fight against bigotry, you aren’t worth the effort.

  44. Bea

    JackGoff,

    My reading capability limits me in that I can only digest text that makes sense.

    By the way, are you the same man that told a certain female blogger to go to hell?

  45. Bea

    Make that several female bloggers.

  46. JackGoff

    By the way, are you the same man that told a certain female blogger to go to hell?

    Just to anwser this, yes, I did. I was wrong, and apologized.

  47. JackGoff

    shite, “answer”

  48. JackGoff

    Make that several female bloggers.

    This, however, is incorrect, unless you mean a large amount of MRA assholes on my old blog. If they were female, they certainly were misogynist.

  49. auguste

    By the way, are you the same man that told a certain female blogger to go to hell?

    JG, you don’t need me to defend you, but I’m gonna anyway – Bea, I think you mean he’s the same man who told a person to go to hell for accusing him of being a misogynist pornographer because he was in possession of naked pictures of his girlfriend, freely given.

  50. auguste

    Oh, maybe I was on the wrong issue. Or maybe I didn’t realize that JackGoff considered himself wrong on the issue.

    I’m just not sure why having said “go to hell” is some sort of character flaw. Overreaction, perhaps. But it’s not exactly hate speech.

  51. JackGoff

    Auguste, I was completely wrong to say what I said to delphyne. I should have been a better person than that. If she hasn’t read my post on the issue, delphyne, I completely apologize to you about my lack of good judgement.

    Also, I’ve very well aware of the [relative] lack of people posting against me, which is making me truly question my criticisms against Twisty more than anything else. All I really want, and this is completely coercive, I know, is a post from Twisty about her thoughts on the issue. I’m not trying to say that it needs to happen. As I have said before, I’m nobody and you can ignore me or call me whatever. This is, I promise, my last post here.

  52. Ilyka

    Said person even suggested that I was trying to coerce you and all who link to you to such and such end. Nah. If you need to be coerced to fight against bigotry, you aren’t worth the effort.

    As you also used “coerce” over at my place I hope you aren’t referring to me. But here’s what I guess I don’t understand about some of this:

    1. I don’t understand why deleting a link now constitutes “fight[ing] against bigotry.” I guess pressing the delete key technically does involve lifting a finger, but come on.

    2. I don’t understand why the original point–that the comments by luckynkl and others in the lipstick thread about transpeople were hateful–had to become, instead, “I Blame the Patriarchy is a hate site and Twisty is a closet hater.”

    Or maybe I do. When long-term Twisty antagonists pile on and use the lipstick post’s comments as the perfect opportunity to characterize her as, say, “a cold, manipulative fuck,” to quote just one vicious remark I’ve read about her lately, the issue quits being about eradicating hatred of transpeople, and starts becoming a tired-ass recitation of everything Twisty has ever done to personally offend anyone, ever. That diminishes the original issue, and that sucks, because it isn’t a trivial issue–but no, let’s bring up the blow job post. AGAIN. Because we’re all still very, very angry about that. Angry, I say.

    3. I don’t like the false dilemma at the heart of this delinking argument, where either one denounces this blog as a hate site and delinks it, and all other blogs which link to it, or one accepts the label of transphobe, bigot, hate-speech-promoter, etc. I don’t accept that there are only those two choices, because there aren’t only two choices. It’s perfectly possible to read this blog without endorsing everything that occurs on it. I generally don’t read the comments here for just that reason.

    It’s interesting to me that people can reject the binary with regards to sex, but not regarding this. We’re more addicted to the good/bad binary than to the male/female one, when it comes right down to it.

  53. slade

    JackGoff stated: “This is, I promise, my last post here.”

    Back at ya, dirty asshole. Dewar’s? I knew you were a college repug.

  54. magickitty

    Wow JackGoff. I am overwhelmed by your manly denunciation of all things anti-trans. Take me now.

  55. slashy

    I had to stop reading the original comment thread because I, in all my frailty, couldn’t cope with the hate flying around- hate directed very specifically at people I love & respect, who are part of my feminist community. I’m not strong enough to stand in that river of bile and keep my feet.

    I’m pleased that Twisty has at least acknowledged that something was going on, even if she hasn’t taken ‘my’ side in the debate. This is my favourite feminist blog, and to a certain extent I can ignore the crap in the comments and not lose the value of Twisty’s insight.

  56. AoT

    The offending parties know who they are, and in future will either put a sock in it or risk disemvowelation.

    For the record, I don’t think this is true at all. I have yet to see the one person who was spewing the worst nastiness stop posting here, or even express regret for implying that MtF trans are serial killers.

  57. lila

    oh pleeeese! Not the blow job post again!

  58. Luckynkl

    Transgenderism is the new religion. Goddess forbid anyone questions it, challenges it, or won’t be a lemming and blindly follow it right off the nearest cliff.

    But alas, I am probably descended from the line of Romans that fed the religious zealots. and their god that never was, to the lions, just for sport.

    Interestingly enough, whenever I upset the apple cart of the status quo and go against the tide of religion (patriarchy’s control of the spirit), psychology (patriarchy’s control of the mind), or transsexualism/transgenderism (patriarchy’s control of gender roles and the physical body), I am greeted with the same nauseating chants, verbatim. It’s really not all that surprising. Religion is as old as dirt and these tactics and chants of the patriarchy have been going on ad nauseum for milleniums now and are tried and proven. Feminists, who have been feminists for any length of time, should be, by now, use to the patriarchal reversals of being called “manhaters,” “bigots,” and their analysis and views on sexism called “hate speech.” Because anything which goes against the status quo will be called such. And what is the status quo? Oh yeah, patriarchy. So the more opposition I run into, the more I am called a “bigot,” and the more my words twisted and reversed and called “hate speech,” the more I know I know I’m on the right track. As Mary Daly once told me, that’s how you know you’re a radical feminist. Everyone hates you. IOWs, if you’re looking to be liked, feminism is not for you.

  59. AoT

    Feminists, who have been feminists for any length of time, should be, by now, use to the patriarchal reversals of being called “manhaters,” “bigots,” and their analysis and views on sexism called “hate speech.”

    Nice martyr complex, and nice avoiding the issue.

    You called MtF trans nuts and various other things then procede to rant about how it is other people attacking you.

    Like I said before clearly this “The offending parties know who they are, and in future will either put a sock in it or risk disemvowelation.”is not true.

  60. Twisty

    Luckynkl, I have had the misfortune to have finally read the thread in question, and I regret to say that your credibility has been rendered null by your numerous displays of unbridled assholery. We are all by now well aware that your position can be summarized as “transpeople are Hitler.” You have made your asinine “point.” Your further input on this topic will not be required.

  61. Twisty

    “Like I said before clearly this “The offending parties know who they are, and in future will either put a sock in it or risk disemvowelation.”is not true.”

    Well, AoT, my naive faith in the general decency of the blaming public has been shaken to the core. Let the moderations begin.

  62. Luckynkl

    If that’s what you concluded, Twisty, then I question your reading level and comprehension ability. But it’s come to my attention that you’ve got a stake in this. Which would explain it. But I will hold my tongue until I follow up on it.

  63. Twisty

    My “stake” is in an acceptable level of civility. If your purpose in, say, equating transpeople with an insane serial killer was to accomplish anything other than a flame war, your argumentation skills are not developed to a degree consistent with the level of discourse I wish to see on this blog.

  64. Mary Sunshine

    Twisty,

    You allow a lot of hate speech on this blog by males against radical feminists.

    It’s the razor blade inside the apple that you’re inviting radical feminists to bite on.

    Good luck suckering any more radical feminists to post here.

    BTDT for the last 35 years.

    Yay cocksuckers, boo radfems, eh?

    Actions speak louder than words.

  65. Jack

    Whoa, Luckynkl – are you some sort of anti-trans spy or whistleblower or something, revealing the secret “stakes” that people might have in treating trans people with an iota of respect? Creepy.

    (also just wanted to note that this Jack is not the same Jack as JackGoff.)

  66. rainie

    I really don’t understand the fuss. Rather than the misplaced anger with Twisty a more appropriate response would seem to be “Twisty dear, have you noticed that some folks have been running amok in your comments section?”. It could be done rather like telling someone that some neighborhood dogs have been soiling thier lawn.

    Some folks are decent. If we’re lucky we have a few of the decent folks in our lives.

  67. R. Mildred

    You forgot the theory that transwomen exist primarily to spy on lucknkl when she’s peeing twisty.

    You don’t even need to go near the hate speech because you have a shy bladder being held up as a political position.

    is there such a thing as radical shybladderism though?

  68. Ms Kate

    Lucky, it ain’t a religion unless folks get obsessive about it. Like you.

    It is important to see the bad and a good in a thread. I have had professional interactions with transpeople and things get most interesting when knowing what is and isn’t offensive (having witnessed it in the vacuum chamber of a blog) meets the reality of a real life person in front of you. Particularly when that person is somebody you need to work with in a respectful and professional manner. Put simply, you know a lot more of where the boundaries are, and can transmit that to your coworkers, when you can get a read on relative offensiveness.

    I have known transpeople in both working and personal life over the last 20 or so years, and have heard some pretty creepy things said in “objective” ways that were hurtful and sometimes outright threatening. That said, anonymous comments in a blog may hurt, but they don’t carry that same direct threat to someone’s employment or to their person that something muttered audibly in person can. This is why I discount a lot of the vitriol – in some ways, it isn’t real. In others, it’s workaday without the personal sting or threat.

    The web is not real life, but a funhouse mirror. For some people, that mirror is an important introduction to what lies in reality, and will help them recognize and call it out in real life (or avoid ignorant stupidity) IF it is not sanitized of any true reflections into some unrealistically pure reflection of utopia.

  69. R. Mildred

    “Twisty dear, have you noticed that some folks have been running amok in your comments section?”

    Uh, people did, she even waded in and said that unnamed people should stop with the unspecified and undefined hate speech at the end of the particular comment thread.

    And she only actually skimmed through the thread, read pretty much any post by lucknkl, let alone heart’s more subtle translations of lucknkl from the original gibbernese into vaguelyreasonablespeek, and noted that one of her commenters was calling all transwomen rapists by definition, positing truly GRAND conspiracy theories that make Protocols look like a rational overview of jewish customs and culture, throwing out biological detirminism and gender essentialism left and right, declared that post menopausal women and women who’d had hysterectomies weren’t really women because of their egg-feriority and inability to reproduce, and for an encore was not smacked around for being a total batshit crazy nut case of humongous proportions by the other commenters here.

    It’s insulting enough that twisty heard that hate speech was being spewed in her comments section and she couldn’t be bothered to actually verify and do something about it other than say “please don’t do that people, if indeed you are doing it because I can’t find the arse in me to check whether you are or not” (shall we try saying “please stop being mean now” to the patriarchy? Is that the “radical”, let alone “feminist”, thing to do?), and I know blasé is her thing but it is still insulting in this particular instance regardless, that her blog attracts the people who are not instantly alerted to the patriarchal and fucking crazy and bigoted hatred involved, nor do they even note that the routine and technically legal (thanks to the wonders of “straight panic” defences) rapes and murders of transwomen is being not only ignored but has to be completely erased for even half of the hate filled bile being spewed in that thread (and spew is such an appropriate word in this context) to make even the slightest sense.

    So having complained, and having had the commentariat of IBTP have an inexplicable blaming lobe malfunction just because the patriarchy put on a radfem patterned thong before shaking its ass in their face, what was htere to but complain elsewhere and point out the serious mod failure AND the insulting nature of twisty not seeming to care if hate speech was or was not being spewed on her blog AND the fucked up nature of her commenters not seeming to mind that womanhood was being defined into a freakish and deeply patriarchal place.

    The big thing for twisty to do would be to admit that there was fundamentally some fault on her part in this, it is ultimately her blog, and therefore ultimately her duty to keep it free of hate spew.

    She doesn’t have to obviously, because it is her blog, but it’d be the mature thing to do.

  70. R. Mildred

    like hte next post basically.

  71. thebewilderness

    “a genuine gesture of apology” says Jack.

    Funny how when a person says they are sorry there are those who simply cannot accept it. I have an arrogant, alcoholic, asshat relative who always knows what you mean regardless of what you say. He is, of course, an extreme case, but it is a reaction that I see fairly often. If you ask what will it take to satisfy their grievance, some will stop and realize they are being unreasonable. Then there are those who will simply raise the bar no matter how high you jump.

  72. AnnaB

    I think we’ve all learned a lot here. Me, I have certainly been surprised to learn how many people had banned Twisty from their blogrolls even before the Great December 06 Thread Debacle. You see, evidently, Twisty hates men. Who knew? I thought she just hated children, kittens, apple pie, and the American flag.

    (I estimate that Twisty’s second-most cited sin is that she’s “over the top,” or some version thereof. Again, not a well-tolerated trait in those with vaginas, but a must for a cult leader.)

    I wonder if those protesting the loudest have a bigger problem with Twisty than just a comment thread at one itty bitty post here? Surely, those who have a problem with Twisty’s moderating skills will realize that it was Christmas, people get busy, and this blog thing is Twisty’s hobby. In addition, they might remember that the comments thread was exceptionally huge (even for the bigger blogs like Feministe, Feministing, or Pandagon), that the offensive comments have nothing to do with the original post, and that such comments are exceedingly rare here. They might also read Twisty’s denouncement of the comments and her remarks to Luckynkl above, and realize that she’s on the good side of the issue here.

    If they did those things, I think all would be forgiven. That is, if that comment thread is the only issue. But I’m guessing it’s not.

    Anyway, I think that the lesson here is twofold:

    1. That Twisty should spend much more time each day moderating her comments. It was her mistake to start a blog, have it become wildly popular, then only have enough time to moderate out a portion of the idiots. To this end, I hope Twisty puts up a PayPal jar, and we can pay her accordingly for her time and her health insurance, once she devotes herself full-time to moderating the blog. (And we wonder why more busy women aren’t starting popular feminist blogs? Don’t they have time to herd cats -er, commenters- too?)

    2. That Twisty must be completely explicit ASAP about her views on every aspect of life, so that principled bloggers who are offended by her opinions can de-link her immediately. After all, every feminist blogger who enjoys lipstick, or blowjobs, or bad bathrooms, or TGIFriday’s entrees smothered in burnt cheese, must remove Twisty or be a labeled a hypocrite. We all know that it isn’t possible to enjoy Twisty’s writing in any capacity once there is disagreement on those issues. Offended bloggers must also remove other bloggers who link to Twisty, and perhaps add a big blinking button on their blogs announcing the de-linking. (“NOW TWISTY-FREE! THANK THE GODDESS!”)

  73. Cass

    Twisty generally does an admirable job of policing her comments, this time she slipped up and she’s admitted as much. Let’s move along.

    (And T., I’m afraid I’ll have to take a pass on Flipnotics, unless we’re finally going to carry out that mass suicide we’ve been planning. I have an engagement tomorrow night I’m particularly anxious to get out of.)

  74. Susan M

    Ilyka: I guess that is why Twisty received hundreds of concerned emails from people offering to help out with the comment moderation during what is doubtless a very busy time of year for even the most godless spinster aunt. This feminist community, it is all about fixing problems, and never about splashing them all over the internet to the delight of the patriarchy.

    That made me laugh. Thanks, Ilyka!

    AnnaB: If they did those things, I think all would be forgiven. That is, if that comment thread is the only issue. But I’m guessing it’s not.

    I’m with you. Rage on, Twisty! I think a good New Year’s Resolution for me is to only read blogs that link to you; I’m overbooked as it is.

  75. B. Dagger Lee

    The Goddess has, for tens of thousands of years, accepted into her service: bulldykes, bulldaggers, lezzies, pansies, fairies, faggots, queens and queer avatars of the feminine and masculine, two-spirited people, intersexed people, the transgendered and transsexed, the one-breasted Amazon, and the no-breasted Amazon. Why? Because we are the many, the manifold, the continuum between enforced binaries, the polymorphous, the gender variant and the gender-dissident–the latter a category people are often thrust into without any choice, but which additionally can be entered into by choice. I invite you to enter.

    Androgyny is not a neutered person named Pat or Chris in bland clothing. Androgyny is all of the above listed, and clothed in great finery, which sometimes includes high-heels, detachable dicks, boas, tiaras, boots, latex, robes, lingerie, piercing and tattoos.

    I recommend also a documentary called “Beautiful Daughters,” playing, as it happens on LOGO tonight. An all transwomen cast performs “The Vagina Monologues,” with new monologues written expressly for the performance by Eve Ensler. I recommend also two books by Leslie Feinberg, “Stone Butch Blues,” and “Transgender Warriors,” and any book by Kate Bornstein. Also, “Suits Me, the Double Life of Billy Tipton,” by Diane Wood Middlebrook.

    “Beautiful Daughters” has a multi-racial cast, but my book recommendations are lily-white. I beg others to list some core transgender feminist texts and rectify this.

    Who believes that consciousness-raising is easy or that it doesn’t hurt?

    yrs, B. Dagger Lee

  76. Shannon

    Jack is not a college republician, he’s just upset about the hate speech, that’s all.

  77. Mar Iguana

    Testing 123

  78. Twisty

    You know, R. Mildred, I don’t say this often enough. You’re an ass.

  79. emjaybee

    I could not read all the posts, so I apologize if it’s already been said, but there is a saying out there in the blogosphere that goes Get Your Own Fucking Blog. In other words, quit expecting other people’s blogs to be all things to you. I don’t agree with Twisty 100% on everything–so what? I like reading her blog. If a particular post becomes full of hateful troll posters, I simply assume she hasn’t had time to play exterminator, not that she doesn’t care about the issues being trolled. I have a blog, and a spam filter, and much less traffic than Twisty, but I don’t have time to monitor all the traffic either. I do not understand all the panty twisting going on. Surely we have more important things to do?

  80. CarolS

    How about the knitters? In which camp do we fall? I’m opting for Camp 3. Anyone who can put together a phrase like “total jerkbag asswipery” is A-OK by me.

  81. slade

    You’re right….it’s not said enough. So allow me to second that. Ass.

  82. Ledasmom

    I believe the knitters fall into camp D, or “It’s not so much the content of the comment thread as it is that it’s two hundred posts long and I can do at least a heel and a toe in that time.”

  83. Shannon

    I usually read long threads and stuff, but my brother came over and I made some jewelry and it took a long time. I explained to my brother what a transperson was, but I still feel somehow to blame.

  84. octogalore

    I agree with AnnaB — the job of blog proprietor is sadly underpaid in proportion to the expectation that said proprietor be completely on top of long comment threads during holiday vacation periods. Much more highly paid professionals take that time off. Reading the thread a bit late, first implementing a good-faith warning, then responding more specifically, seems to me a fair response to the fireworks here.

  85. mac

    I’m against all this reasonableness and politeness.
    It goes against the entertainment imperative of blog.

    Any writer who has linked here and then boycotted and then returned to keep on and on and on.
    And maybe anyone who has mentioned IBTP in the last year without laughting.

    You have all been crossed off my entertainment list.

  86. darkymac

    You have all been crossed off my entertainment list.

    Including IBTP I guess.

  87. mac

    It depends, darkymac.

  88. Sara

    Actually, there’s at least one other camp. Please forgive me if you knew and were intentionally ignoring it or if someone else has already pointed it out; I am multitasking and unable to wade through the foregoing comment stream at this time.

    In my camp, which isn’t actually camped anywhere, we (and maybe it’s just I)

    1. don’t care about the efficiency of your moderation, if any, because we have adopted the practice, once a thread turns burdensome, of simply scanning the comments looking for voices we already know we like to read, and we don’t really care if this offends anyone to discover because we are oid, and busy;

    2. don’t say much about transgender politics because, not being transgender ourselves, we doubt our ability to add anything intelligent to discourse on the subject besides a general atmosphere of acceptance, and at the same time don’t really feel it’s our duty to tell other people what they should and should not write about; and

    3. don’t do cults, or Kool-Aid, ever, and thus — sorry — wouldn’t even try to join yours if we believed you had one. (It’s not personal. It’s a lifestyle choice.)

    We in my camp just like your writing and enjoy the writing of your commenters when it is witty and/or informative, especially when it is also coherent. This is even true when your and/or their stated opinions do not entirely agree with ours, an event we may or may not feel compelled to divulge every time it occurs.

    Can’t help you with the damnation. Sorry. It’s not our area of expertise. We sincerely wish you well, though, in spite of it all.

    Blame on.

  89. Ron Sullivan

    Geez, Twisty, looks like you and Dawkins are in the same Not Quick Enough on the Trigger Finger or Obsessive Enough About Your Blog hot tub.

    Here, a glass of decent champagne for each of you, and a Happy New Year from Toadville to all. Fluffy towels are piled on the bench.

  90. Cast Iron Balcony

    Everything Sara said.

    You know, some of us come here not only because of the patriarchy blaming, but also because of the superior quality of Twisty’s writing.You know, writing? Some of you finger pointers might like to go away and hone yours a little.

  91. foilwoman

    I’d join the Twisty-led cult, but I must insist that I won’t drink Koolaid, only a nice shiraz, tempranillo, brunello del Montalcino, or something like that. I posted my real comment to this thread, incorrectly, in the two-thousand-sex thread, because I am an incompetent commenter, thereby finding a commonality with Twisty, which makes me very proud.

  92. alphabitch

    Every time someone any serious blaming starts happening around here, someone’s gotta ask “but what about the knitters?”

  93. Ron Sullivan

    Alphabitch, why do you hate crocheters?

  94. foilwoman

    Ron, I’ll step in and answer for alphabitch, as I am a knitter also and speak for all knitters everywhere: crocheting is not knitting, and crocheters should not use knitter’s bathrooms. For some reason.

  95. dame

    pagine piuttosto informative, piacevoli =)

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