Comments on: Twistolution, Part 36 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/12/30/twistolution-part-36/ Thu, 09 Feb 2012 08:19:07 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Mandos http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/12/30/twistolution-part-36/#comment-32929 Mandos Fri, 19 Jan 2007 19:24:02 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/12/30/twistolution-part-36/#comment-32929 I find statements implying that sex and identity can be separated (so much so that we can establish a future hypothetical society based on that principle) to be rather curious. Sex is related to who can and/or does have children---or are at minimum expected to have the ability---and what role they play in that. That has lots of material consequences I never see addressed in most of the arguments in favour the possibilty of separating sex and identity. I find statements implying that sex and identity can be separated (so much so that we can establish a future hypothetical society based on that principle) to be rather curious. Sex is related to who can and/or does have children—or are at minimum expected to have the ability—and what role they play in that. That has lots of material consequences I never see addressed in most of the arguments in favour the possibilty of separating sex and identity.

]]> By: Twilight http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/12/30/twistolution-part-36/#comment-32354 Twilight Wed, 10 Jan 2007 22:08:20 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/12/30/twistolution-part-36/#comment-32354 I think the "transgender" movement has instantly gone awry in it's self understanding simply in naming itself. What if it has nothing to do with gender at all? I think the “transgender” movement has instantly gone awry in it’s self understanding simply in naming itself.

What if it has nothing to do with gender at all?

]]> By: caramac http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/12/30/twistolution-part-36/#comment-32136 caramac Sun, 07 Jan 2007 00:17:31 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/12/30/twistolution-part-36/#comment-32136 I really hope that the revolution will come in my lifetime, and that gender will not survive. Why? Because I haven't found any gender that could possibly define me. I hope you're not angry at me for reading your blog and even commenting on this entry, since I am the owner of a penis and a set of XY chromosomes. I am not a "man". I don't understand this whole "man" thing at all. I find it silly and useless. I am not a trans woman, either, even if I often get mistaken for a girl on a regular basis, since I'm always clean shaven, have longer hair than most owners of vaginas and XX chromosomes, and like to wear make-up. I don't understand this entire male-female nonsense, and I just want it to stop. I just don't want to be told to behave like a man, or that I am weird because I am what I am. I need a gender of my own. I really hope that the revolution will come in my lifetime, and that gender will not survive.

Why? Because I haven’t found any gender that could possibly define me.

I hope you’re not angry at me for reading your blog and even commenting on this entry, since I am the owner of a penis and a set of XY chromosomes.

I am not a “man”. I don’t understand this whole “man” thing at all. I find it silly and useless.

I am not a trans woman, either, even if I often get mistaken for a girl on a regular basis, since I’m always clean shaven, have longer hair than most owners of vaginas and XX chromosomes, and like to wear make-up.

I don’t understand this entire male-female nonsense, and I just want it to stop. I just don’t want to be told to behave like a man, or that I am weird because I am what I am.

I need a gender of my own.

]]> By: JJE http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/12/30/twistolution-part-36/#comment-32095 JJE Fri, 05 Jan 2007 16:43:28 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/12/30/twistolution-part-36/#comment-32095 There'll likely never be a definition of art that everyone will, or will choose to, understand; therefore, there will always be "art". Will ther ever be a place where minds are so directed and energetic that they never stoop to seeking what they cannot understand by scribbling and cobbling? I doubt it...but I'm stooped!~) There’ll likely never be a definition of art that everyone will, or will choose to, understand; therefore, there will always be “art”.

Will ther ever be a place where minds are so directed and energetic that they never stoop to seeking what they cannot understand by scribbling and cobbling? I doubt it…but I’m stooped!~)

]]> By: CLD http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/12/30/twistolution-part-36/#comment-32057 CLD Thu, 04 Jan 2007 20:40:38 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/12/30/twistolution-part-36/#comment-32057 To just be seen as a human being. No labels. No preconceived notions about who or what I am. Just me. But, I do wish to keep art around after the revolution. :) To just be seen as a human being. No labels. No preconceived notions about who or what I am. Just me.

But, I do wish to keep art around after the revolution. :)

]]> By: B. Dagger Lee http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/12/30/twistolution-part-36/#comment-31946 B. Dagger Lee Wed, 03 Jan 2007 13:27:18 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/12/30/twistolution-part-36/#comment-31946 Heart: Yes, it was fruitful. I do disagree with you about some things, but what I really want is for us to come to a place of agreement, since I think we probably agree on a great many issues. But I'm sure we'll talk again. You are a committed feminist, an elder, and I honor you for it. yrs, B.Dagger Lee Heart: Yes, it was fruitful.

I do disagree with you about some things, but what I really want is for us to come to a place of agreement, since I think we probably agree on a great many issues. But I’m sure we’ll talk again.

You are a committed feminist, an elder, and I honor you for it.

yrs, B.Dagger Lee

]]> By: Heart http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/12/30/twistolution-part-36/#comment-31943 Heart Wed, 03 Jan 2007 07:30:45 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/12/30/twistolution-part-36/#comment-31943 Well, B.Dagger Lee, what I think is, you want to disagree with me for whatever reason. Eh. It's all good. One of these days, we'll talk some more. heart Well, B.Dagger Lee, what I think is, you want to disagree with me for whatever reason. Eh. It’s all good. One of these days, we’ll talk some more.

heart

]]> By: the oh zone » Blog Archive » 2007, toe gingerly dipped in blogosphere: oprah, mental patient’s makeup, which feminism to choose, briton’s beer http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/12/30/twistolution-part-36/#comment-31932 the oh zone » Blog Archive » 2007, toe gingerly dipped in blogosphere: oprah, mental patient’s makeup, which feminism to choose, briton’s beer Wed, 03 Jan 2007 04:53:39 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/12/30/twistolution-part-36/#comment-31932 [...]   AngryBrownButch tries to explain transphobia to the masses. Twisty talks about some stuff or other. Shannon hasn’t gotten past the stage of transmen- men with different body parts, transwomen- women with different body parts, so you can’t look to me to help you be enlightened. Maybe we should read books. Books solve everything. Sheezlebub(sp?) is angry about the too little too late response on twisty’s part. Blackamazon went away! and so did brownfemi! Waaa~ Also, JackGoff offended people. That’s why I don’t drink. I can offend everyone while sober.    Today I woke up and felt guilty. I think it’s because I woke up at 11 o clock, but feel free to blame me for whatever. [...] [...]   AngryBrownButch tries to explain transphobia to the masses. Twisty talks about some stuff or other. Shannon hasn’t gotten past the stage of transmen- men with different body parts, transwomen- women with different body parts, so you can’t look to me to help you be enlightened. Maybe we should read books. Books solve everything. Sheezlebub(sp?) is angry about the too little too late response on twisty’s part. Blackamazon went away! and so did brownfemi! Waaa~ Also, JackGoff offended people. That’s why I don’t drink. I can offend everyone while sober.    Today I woke up and felt guilty. I think it’s because I woke up at 11 o clock, but feel free to blame me for whatever. [...]

]]> By: jane awake http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/12/30/twistolution-part-36/#comment-31912 jane awake Wed, 03 Jan 2007 01:49:02 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/12/30/twistolution-part-36/#comment-31912 Twisty, I put your comment in on the Diving into the Wreck thread (named after the Adrienne Rich poem, of course) over on my blog. The conversation about poetry post patriarchy can now commence there. If you have any trouble, feel free to email me at jane dot awake at yahoo dot com. Twisty, I put your comment in on the Diving into the Wreck thread (named after the Adrienne Rich poem, of course) over on my blog. The conversation about poetry post patriarchy can now commence there.

If you have any trouble, feel free to email me at jane dot awake at yahoo dot com.

]]> By: jane awake http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/12/30/twistolution-part-36/#comment-31906 jane awake Wed, 03 Jan 2007 00:49:27 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2006/12/30/twistolution-part-36/#comment-31906 Ktal, You said, "I think sexual expression and activity would exist, but that gender assignment would not." For you, what is the difference between sexual expression and gender? Are they a dichotomy? When you think of gender, do you generally think of "assignment," as in traditional masculinity and femininity? This: "I would think that gender expression would not be such a forefront of existence" sounds great to me, but I don't understand this part: "as reproduction would not longer be the end-game of existence that it is now." Also, for anyone, are you imagining that the overthrow of the patriarchy would result in utopia? Couldn't there still be classism, racism, murder, theft, power structures and struggles, religions (ugh), etc. etc. Couldn't there still be oppression? Do you think the patriarchy is the source of all judgment? Are you imagining a matriarchy instead? (By the way, thanks to all of you who have engaged in this discussion with me, patiently answering my questions. I appreciate it.) Ktal,

You said, “I think sexual expression and activity would exist, but that gender assignment would not.” For you, what is the difference between sexual expression and gender? Are they a dichotomy? When you think of gender, do you generally think of “assignment,” as in traditional masculinity and femininity?

This: “I would think that gender expression would not be such a forefront of existence” sounds great to me, but I don’t understand this part: “as reproduction would not longer be the end-game of existence that it is now.”

Also, for anyone, are you imagining that the overthrow of the patriarchy would result in utopia? Couldn’t there still be classism, racism, murder, theft, power structures and struggles, religions (ugh), etc. etc. Couldn’t there still be oppression? Do you think the patriarchy is the source of all judgment? Are you imagining a matriarchy instead?

(By the way, thanks to all of you who have engaged in this discussion with me, patiently answering my questions. I appreciate it.)

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