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Feb 10 2007

Ladies: “Say ‘no’ to having uneven and teeth like lips”

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Man, I’ve seen some utterly disgusting full-on misogynist shit since starting this blog — generous and/or sadistic readers just can’t stop sending it in — but this has got to be up there in the Top 5.

Take, if you are able to keep your food down, the so-called Vagina Institute, a “global research centre” presenting “everything you ever wanted to know about vaginas.” Of course it is nothing of the sort. In fact — I know, knock you over with a feather — the specious Vagina Institute is a subscription hetero softcore fetish site. Normally I don’t mess with these; if you’ve lost your lunch over one porn site you’ve lost your lunch over’em all. But this one stands out from the pack for the extra-creepy way in which it seeks to normalize pornographic ideals. Jagoffs who wish to transform their girlfriends into pornified toilets can show them this site and shame’em into comparing their normal “ugly” vulvae to “pretty” airbrushed Hustler pussy.

Easily unseating the vile Dr. Jason — our previous reigning Champion Misogynist in the field of Pussy Refurbishing — the Vagina Institute takes commodopornification of the vulva to the next level by ingeniously killing 3 woman-hating birds with one stone: addressing itself to the ladies, it foments a delicious blend of fear, loathing, and insecurity by purporting to medicalize labial “deformity”; it codifies the porn-approved vulvalicious “neat and trim” beauty standard,* and it collects $17.95 a month from pervs who get off on pseudo-clinical photos of breasts and smooth-waxed pussy, both “pretty” and “deformed,” solicited from readers. In a case of what could be considered gilding the the lily, $18.95 more per month gets you access to an “electronic book” called Labia Enhancement, which promises that you will “experience life at its fullest by having a pretty vagina.”

Every word of this site is so taco-souringly repellent, I am hard-pressed to select a representative sample, but here goes nothin.

The Vagina Institute “specializes in collecting and processing, data and information about [...] the overall appearance of the vulva, statistics of vagina size and defining what is feminine and what is not! [...] We can state with assertion that a vulva is ugly or pretty once we have the core data and statistical invormation available. [...] Send us a photo of your vagina for it’s classification.”

The non-subscription areas of the “online research” site are composed of wide-open beaver shots, unremitting iterations of the phrase “be more feminine ‘down there’,” and ungodly descriptions of “labial disorders”, among which are “ugliness,” “assymetry,” “over grown clitoris [sic]” and “flat lips.” There are quizzes (“how well does my vagina measure up?” and “should women be allowed to go topless?”); an image of a chiding woman brandishing a tape measure (!?!?); assorted vagina “facts” (“women with large vaginal cavities will tend to produce more odor [...] when vaginal funk arises.”); lists of insecurites women might want to consider adopting (such as “worry” over “wrinkles and ‘overly-used’ appearance”), places to submit pictures of your “urine stream” and stories of your “most embarrassing vaginal moment”. One section is astonishingly subtitled “Very seldom** do we hear men’s opinion about their preference towards female genitals due to censorship of taboo’s, so what do they really want when it comes to vaginas?”

Wait. Let me guess. They want ugly assymetrical flat-lipped overly-used drooping funk.

Here is one supposed message from a supposed subscriber: “She can’t be all bitchin’ at me just ’cause she’s got a garbage bag for a vagina. I mean, I’m only one soup-can thick. She’s got to help me out a little too.”

This message has been brought to you by the Twisty Institute for Gross Crap Over the Weekend, just in case you’d forgotten how much men hate you.

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* Alas, there’s more to beauty than bouncin’ and behavin’ hair.

** Very seldom eh? Sure, if by ‘very seldom’ you mean ‘all the fucking time.’

[Thanks, Joolya. A whole heck of a lot]

126 comments

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  1. Michelle Eventide

    Ack. And after I read this horror show, and came here to give you the link.

    http://www.ocweekly.com/news/news/illegally-park-ed/26661/

    I LIKE my “ugly” vagina, dammit! I can’t believe that still have the ability to feel any kind of outrage any more. This whole thing is so wrong I think my head already exploded and I just can’t tell.

  2. Mikey Jo

    Apparently a pretty vulva is an invisible vulva.

  3. Leigh

    I’m supposed to believe that there’s an “overly-used look”?? And the cult of viginity raises its ugly, overly-used head again. It’s like the twenty-first century version of phrenology. You can tell if the lady’s a tramp or not just be the contours of her vaginal lips.

  4. josie my source of most frustration

    Oh my, I’m glad I stopped checking this site at work.

    That said, the whole “overly used” thing is a laugh and half, or it would be if it wasn’t so freakin’ misogynist. Do these troglodytes really think that the appearance of female genitals change based on how often their “used?” Really? Ignorance knows no bounds, I guess.

  5. curiousgyrl

    the pornographic ideal is a prebubescent vulva, apparently. I know this is not news or anything, but damn these people are morons.

  6. Repenting

    Wow, I didn’t even need to go to that website to know what I’ll find there. I like all the spelling and grammatical errors in every single sample picture or paragraph you shared. Kinda proves that it’s about as scientific as the 14yo boy who designed it.

    I must admit, my first impulse was to put up an “Ugly Dick” website in response, charging admission for people to see clinically dull pictures of the average man’s pencil, alongside pictures of the biggest, most shaved and implanted porn-star cock I can find. Pointless, though. I don’t have the entire US media supporting my assertion that the average man is inferior to the ideal man that exists within straight women’s minds, so I don’t think I’ll succeed in forcing vomitous patriarchs-in-training to choke down a taste of their own bitter medicine.

  7. Baubo

    I wasn’t planning to be speechless the first time I left a comment, but–there you have it.

    Very glad to have found you.

  8. teffie-phd

    It’s so sad that every time I read this blog I can be more stunned than the time before.

    Fucking patriarchy.

  9. mustelid

    Wow. This has got to be the all-time low for patriarchy-induced body image idiocy. I don’t even want to think about the amount of agony involved in getting a patriarchy-approved snatch. And apparently, women will undergo this willingly! Gotta go puke now.

  10. Ms Kate

    Note that they have to “tell” you that the clipped and trimmed pussy is the pretty pussy, and the “natural” beaver is “ugly” so you will be sure to 1) know that and 2) understand that you must fix yours.

    So wonderful they provide us with this asthetic education, eh? Otherwise, we’d boorishly go about fucking and being eaten out without ever understanding how very unperfect we all are.

  11. CafeSiren

    “It’s every girl’s dream to have perfect vaginal and pretty vaginal lips.”

    Ho-lee crap.

  12. Kim

    Oh geez shit on a flying bastard.
    My vagina is “ugly,” is it?
    Dr. Jason, kiss my ugly, funky old overused vagina, you shitheel.

  13. Rei

    According to an admittedly biased source (a man who has established a website to proclaim his love of large labial lips), the owner of the “vaginal institute” website owns other websites that hawk information on how to enlarge and stretch labia (labiastretching.com and femalepumping.net). This is a beautiful example of a patriarchal directive to get them from both sides at once.

  14. al

    She can’t be all bitchin’ at me just ’cause she’s got a garbage bag for a vagina.

    If she’s got a garbage bag, what does he think that makes his dick?

  15. Stormy

    I summoned the courage to click the link to the site. The second time, I had enough courage to click one of the links.

    “Small is beautiful [...] tighten and tone your vagina to a virgin status once again.”

    So again with the virgin fetish. Men only want virgins because virgins have nothing to compare ‘the performance’ to, thereby avoiding any criticism for a crap-arse pornucated performance from the overly-pornified XY. Transparent.

    “How many women have looked at their genitals and wished that they were better looking, tighter and tidier. The answer would surprise you, and we all know what the answer is, since it is a given.”

    The answer is not a given in my non-patriarchy-compliant head. No, I can honestly say that I have never, as an adult woman, wished for a vulva like a pre-pubescent girl.

    What is next on the patriarchy hit-list, designer ovaries that aren’t all wrinkly?

    I really have to hit the Blame button now, before the urge to vomit takes over.

  16. Annie G

    I’m wondering if any man ever changed his mind about poking in the bratwurst because the targetted vagina wasn’t pretty enough.

    Didn’t think so.

  17. Maia

    My bits aren’t meant to be pretty. They have superpowers. That aint pretty.

    (Somebody came on my blog today and said I was an antidote to you Twisty. At first, I was appalled at the idea of my having inadvertantly neutralised your BlameRays. Panic not. As I later realised, the person just meant to say that one of my wild, free vulva posts – a silly poem, in fact, from Vulva Liberation Week 2006 – had struck her as good therapy after a hard day’s work at the blaming coalface of vulva mutilation rage.)

  18. Scratchy888

    I might be a little strange, but actually I find the second set of labia much more interesting than the first. Really, very much so. If I was their owner I could sit there looking at them all day. There is a lot that is interesting there is one has a narcissistic gaze: a great deal of lushness and complexity.

  19. Jenn

    I love how even the “ugly” vulva is virtually hairless. It’s like the creators of the site assume that all women remove their pubic hair. The notion of a natural bush never crosses their feeble minds.

  20. Clio Bluestocking

    Strikes me that there are some mighty disappointed dudes out there if they think there is a perfect pussy.

    Also, there is something just a tad bit pedophilic about hairless crotches.

  21. emjaybee

    but what about us gals who can’t afford surgery? Do we get little ponchos to cover our shame? Vagina makeup? Cunningly-designed merkins? Won’t someone help us be the prettiest we can?

    Seriously, guys who are always complaining about not getting enough…telling women stuff like this ain’t gonna help ya.

  22. Shabnam

    If I ignore the words, these could look like “before” and ‘after” pics for a “castration” because the photo on the right is literally that of a female eunuch! The pubic hairstyle and colour is almost the same in both pictures – they could be the same person. Promoting this “ideal” is the Western equivalent of FGM.
    The porn industry literally wants female genitalia to disappear. As Greer puts it much better in “The Female Eunuch”:

    “The best thing a cunt can be is small and unobtrusive: the anxiety about the bigness of the penis is only equalled by the anxiety about the smallness of the cunt.”

    Sex-bot mandate: Women, remain small, unobtrusive, frail and “pretty”.

    As for symmetry, quite clearly the vulva on the left is “asymmetric” because of the quite obvious asymmetric positioning of the legs! They have no clue about how to even pretend to be scientific.

    Repenting – It would be really great if you did put up a site about “Ugly Cocks”. You could include a section about the scrotum, and define “pretty set of balls” to be symmetrical and spherical. (Most men have a larger and less descended right testicle). Such exacting standards for scrotum, as far as I am aware, I have not found anywhere, not even in gay male porn. Nowhere are men so brutally scrutinized and objectified.

    IBTP.

  23. The Hedonistic Pleasureseeker

    Repenting beat me to the “Ugly Dick Contest.” I have a hard time believing the designer of this site is able to attract flesh-and-blood women. This is probably just another elaborate internet wank fantasy whereby a few bagina fetishists fantasize about being able to choose from among several pornified women when the reality is that they’re lucky if they are able to attract an ordinary one.

    It’s rather like fantasizing about all the things you’ll buy when you win the lottery. The truth is these guys just like to look at women’s baginas and fantasize. In real life they’ll continue to take what they can get.

    (Sorry but “bagina” is my new pet name for my ladybidness, as I read it at Coffee Rhetoric and thought it was hilarious!)

  24. Flamethorn

    What the fuck?

    I think the one on the right looks like more fun. More to play with…

  25. Flamethorn

    the overall appearance of the vulva, statistics of vagina size and defining what is feminine

    How can a VULVA not be feminine?

  26. Sarah

    I have only been asked once to “tidy up” around my labia, and my automatic response was that I expected him to do the same to himself. Amazingly, he accepted! His demands were not stringent. He requested a trim, not a shave. As did I. I dumped him two days later. It didn’t ever occur to him that a “trim” was just a trim, and *not* a shave. and So, within three days after his request, he was stuck with no girlfriend and itchy, itchy balls.

    Twisty, I would like to thank you incidentally for allowing me to view the “women’s studies” section of barnes&noble with my recently acquired Blame-o-Vision. Every damn book on the shelves was about having “better” sex, figuring out if you were a lesbian, histories of sexual assault, the murder and exploitation of women, or different ways to “empower” oneself. Because of course, there *isn’t* anything to study about women that doesn’t have to do with their use as sexual vessels, corpses, or objects of lust. i bought a book about time machines instead.

  27. Shira

    Sorry but “bagina” is my new pet name for my ladybidness

    Allegedly, when I was a toddler, I called it my ‘pagima’ and would do things like walk up to pregnant women and ask them if their baby was going to come out of their pagima or their tummy.

    I was a c-section, which perhaps caused my parents to explain the birds and the bees to me a little too early.

  28. Mandos

    Um, I second the person who mentioned work-safeness. Can that be put behind a link? Text about sexually-related social phenomena is OK, photos are problematic. I’m sure I’m not the only one who looks at blogs at work…

  29. Dorothy

    Here’s an odd thought:
    In fetal development, the genital tubercle forms the penis in males and the clitoris in females, and the labioscrotal folds become the scrotum and labia majore, respectively. I wonder if anyone has done any studies on how the size of these “pre-gender-differentiated” structures affects the size of the final product? In other words, is it reasonable to hypothesize that a woman with a large clitoris and pronounced labia would have developed a huge cock and ball set had the proper hormones been present in utero?

    If this is actually true–or heck, even mythically true!–then I think we can speculate that the purveyors of “vulvar standards” that include small labia that don’t “stick out all everywhere” are profoundly intimitated by homologous structures that put their own external genitalia to shame. If her labia are big enough to show wrinkles, then isn’t it just as bad as lining up at the urinal next to a giant porn star/dildo model?

    Are dudes with small packages intimitaded by chicks with with big (homologous) dicks?

  30. ChapstickAddict

    This reminds me of the “honeymoon stitch” I read about once. It’s a term for what some doctors do to women after they have episiotomies (cutting the hymen with a scalpel to make a bigger hole for the baby to come through). When they stitch you up, they add a little extra stitch to tighten you up. Not for your pleasure, but so your husband can have his tight pussy back. You know, before you were all used and that damn baby screwed things up.

  31. CatStaff

    I’ve got a flash bulletin for this moron. Every vagina in the known world could look like 10 pounds of cow intestines and that wouldn’t stop het men from spending practically every waking moment trying to get into one.

  32. Violet

    It wasn’t so long ago that our pornocratic leadership issued the decree that women’s pubic hair had to conform to the curious specifications of Hitler’s upper lip. Judging by the photos above, “The Fraulein fur patch” seems to have been replaced by a leaner, meaner John Waters inspired “lady moustache”. With this in mind, I can’t look at either photo without picturing Edith Massey trying to lay an egg.

  33. witchy-woo

    They seriously hate us, don’t they?

  34. MikeWC

    TO BE FEMININE IS TO HAVE A TIGHT WELL TONED VAGINA.

    Are we sure this isn’t a ridiculous parody site?

  35. kate

    Somewhere right now there is a man beating up and screaming at his girlfriend because he believes she is inferior (and thus he is as well) because her labia extend beyond her vulva.

    Somewhere right now some jerk is pumping himself into a frenzy as Hedonistic so excellently describes.

    Somewhere some women is being forced to shave her bits to please her man, because if she doesn’t she’s afraid he’ll start fooling around, then leave her and she’s only working part-time and they have two kids and the family thinks he’s a wonderful provider, so they won’t be supportive.

    That’s all I think about now when I see porn propaganda like that shit site.

  36. roamaround

    I know the answer to this ok, but for just argument’s sake: where are the sites comparing the overall appearance of little teeny dicks (or the bent ones with asymmetrical balls, etc.) with large, aesthetically pleasing Washington Monument-type penises?

    Even gay sites don’t so this, no matter how phallophile, because this isn’t about appreciating the female organ (of course) but denigrating it. We know that. It’s about hate and control.

    Female genital mutilation: the new must-have cosmetic surgery? Things are getting worse all the time.

  37. Metal Prophet

    I’m pretty sure it’s not parody, considering how extreme some of that fetish porn is and that stuff is absolutely serious. Incidentally, someone once said that if it wasn’t for internet porn, they’re not sure most fetishes would even exist. I mean, was some horny patriarchal guy back in the Middle Ages turned on by some woman stomping on a crustecean? I think not.

  38. Scratchy888

    TO BE FEMININE IS TO HAVE A TIGHT WELL TONED VAGINA.

    Unfortunately, one needs an anatomy lesson. The tone comes from the inside, and from an active lifestyle. This is not a result of surgical procedure!

  39. MikeWC

    Incidentally, someone once said that if it wasn’t for internet porn, they’re not sure most fetishes would even exist.

    Nah, Sacher-Masoch and De Sade types were always around.

  40. mearl

    Thou shalt never be happy with any part of thine own physical body as long as thou livest under the giant twisted thumb of my rule. (Patriarchy, 12: 4-6)

    Don’t worry, everyone. This will be peanuts compared to the clinic I expect to open in about 10 years which will specialise in “pretty fallopian tubes.”

    Because we all clamour for the privilege of having some woman-hating asshole in our lives who finds us disgusting in our natural state. Right? They’ve got my vote! Bring on the assholes! I’ve spent my life grooming for one!

  41. mearl

    Whoops, stormy beat me to that speculation! Wrinkled ovaries, indeed…how about a guy who will brush his teeth more than once a day or at least throw a bar of soap down his funktastic underpants after his visit to the gym before trying to accost you….I think the aesthetes have a giant market in male-improvement and they are missing out on billions. Oh, wait, men aren’t brainwashed and wisely resist becoming so. Crap. Back to the drawing board!

  42. Mister Nice Guy

    I have seen cunts of a fairly wide range, and I must say that I loved them all and found them all beautiful. Like flowers….

  43. edith

    I have to say, as much as I appreciate the verbal tear-down of such a horrific website, I really could have done without the actual genitalia pictures. I don’t have work issues. It’s more like, any time I see a close-up of some anonymous woman’s shaved and splayed out bits, I get the heebie jeebies in a bad, bad way. I still have them now.

    Oh, and: very rarely, indeed.

  44. Djiril

    You know, those “feminine” vaginas on that site looked a lot like a certain photograph in my human sexuality textbook which showed the genitalia of a male to female transexual. So I guess if a guy wants to know if the woman he just met has a feminine enough vagina, he should ask if she was born female, and if she says “yes,” then he should keep looking.
    No offence meant to transexuals, but I find that a bit ironic.

  45. Catherine Martell

    Clio Bluestocking: “Also, there is something just a tad bit pedophilic about hairless crotches.”

    More than a tad. I have argued this point to women who go in for the agony of bald pudenda before, only to be met with the predictable counters about it being no different from removing hair from your legs or armpits: all are about making you look like a child. Yes, probably. But your legs and armpits aren’t explicitly sexual organs. Moreover, I once had a chat with a gynaecologist who said she often had women come in with cysts the size of golf balls from ingrown hairs left after Brazilian waxes. The particularly warm and moist conditions around the genital area makes open hair follicles there particularly vulnerable to ingrowing and infection. The resulting large, swollen lumps have to be cut out, a painful procedure that leaves permanent scars. She thought bikini waxes should be illegal. What a risk to take to make your minge look like Hitler/John Waters. (Violet, I laughed out loud at your wonderful post. What’s next? Salvador Dali? Kaiser Wilhelm? Ringlets?)

    Now, if this site is to be believed, women are actually prepared to go in for elective FGM in order to make their bits look ‘neater’ and ‘more feminine’. Read: less real.

    Screw that. If a man wants to have sex with a blow-up doll, he should buy a blow-up doll. And a course of intensive psychiatry. Meanwhile, any women that nurture aspirations to be treated as human beings would probably do best not to turn themselves into blow-up dolls.

  46. Stormy

    Violet’s “lady moustache” fashion made me laugh too.

    The ‘extra stitch *wink wink*’ did actually happen just after the birth of my sister’s first child in 1987.

    Upon hearing about it, it was met with one of these faces :/ from the newly-aunted stormy.

  47. Daisy Puke

    ” ‘How many women have looked at their genitals and wished that they were better looking, tighter and tidier. The answer would surprise you, and we all know what the answer is, since it is a given.’

    The answer is not a given in my non-patriarchy-compliant head”

    Ah but the beauty of it is, now they will – scrutinise another body part, and put out the myth that it needs fixing, and suddenly, you have opened up a whole new porn-induced market – just because no woman has worried about it before – let’s start then! – I mean, there are only so many boob jobs that can be done no? After awhile, other body parts need to be homed in on and obsessed over….not to worry, the male surgeon can take loads of money off you for the pleasure of cutting you up and “fixing” it – self harm, controlled and once removed – easy!

  48. Daisy Puke

    “When they stitch you up, they add a little extra stitch to tighten you up. Not for your pleasure, but so your husband can have his tight pussy back.”

    Yeah, it’s mandatory in many African countries – young girls are forced to have this done – it’s called female genital mutialtion – in the west, it’s becoming elective surgery. Go figure.

    “Nah, Sacher-Masoch and De Sade types were always around.”

    Yes, it’s exactly the same today as it was then…. instead of learning from those pervs about how NOT to treat women, the banner has been taken up and paraded into everyone’s lives today via the internet, whether they like it or not… it’s foisted upon people…..yeah, exactly the same….jesus.

  49. Narya

    The thing that causes such cognitive dissonance in me is seeing this stuff and knowing how real it is, and then hanging with my actual male friends (and relatives, for that matter). Not all men hate women (any more than all women have completely subjected themselves to the patriarchy), and knowing a lot of men who don’t hate women makes this stuff even more bizarre.

    The other thing about it that starts to puzzle me: part of the patriarchy is getting women to spend a lot of time obsessing about their appearances. When you have a lot of men obsessing about women’s appearances, as well, well, yes, it reinforces the patriarchy, but it also succeeds in distracting men from more important issues, a kind of let-them-dream-about-eating-cake kind of thing.

  50. Ledasmom

    Chapstick Addict: “This reminds me of the “honeymoon stitch” I read about once. It’s a term for what some doctors do to women after they have episiotomies (cutting the hymen with a scalpel to make a bigger hole for the baby to come through)”

    It’s the vagina itself that gets cut, not the hymen (which has usually pretty much packed up and left by then).

  51. justtesting

    …Ugly Dick Contest…

    The real problem is not the external dangly bits, but that men are ugly on the inside. That’s the real ugliness.

  52. justtesting

    Oh, PS to Twisty: can I add to the requests that the pictures are made blurry or hidden in some way ? Bit triggering.

  53. Mandos

    I think the aesthetes have a giant market in male-improvement and they are missing out on billions.

    Well, the aesthetes do, in fact, have a giant market, considering the quantity of “improve your length” spam I get and the number of websites about variations on that theme.

    But yeah, it’s true that to a large extent that’s still about male fantasy. But let it not be said that surgeons balked at cutting up males. Well, some surgeons.

  54. Daisy P

    “When you have a lot of men obsessing about women’s appearances”

    Yeah, I have heard guys say “oh, you’d look good in one of those boho skirts (or whatever) – thinkg to myself – how the fick does he know about women’s fashion? And they all know about the different types of bra and panties – this is a new thing I believe – men knowing about basques, hold-ups, balconette bras, teddies – if I didn’t know any better, I would say there are a lot of trans-v’s in denial, but no, they read what all the “glamour” models say abouat what they wear and pick up on that. Also, there have been female contestants that for example, have gone into one of those reality celeb tv shows, and the b/f will immediately know who the females with breast implants are, I would be totally clueless. “oh yeah, that’s little (it’s alwasy “little”) danielle or whoever , you know” – no,I don’t know, I don’t read the squirt or the sun or nuts or fhm or maxim so I don’t know.

  55. B. Dagger Lee

    Vagina Report, Stardate February 10th.

    Dear Vagina Diary,

    Yesterday, my vagina took Miss Patsy’s Vagina (the latter to be always capitalized, per Chicago Manual of Style, 13th edition, personally annotated) to see Pan’s Labyrinth. Whine, beg, wheedle, plead, do whatever you have to do to get your vagina to take you to this movie! There’s a brave girl AND a brave woman, thus exceeding by two the patriarchally-mandated female bravery capped limit of ‘0’.

    Afterwards, Miss Patsy’s Vagina took my vagina shopping at the “Big, Tall and Bad Vagina Shop,” and bought my vagina a pair of gay men’s shoes that were on sale. Miss Patsy’s Vagina has a shoe-fetish and likes to buy my vagina stomp-around shoes.

    All in all, it was a pretty good day for vaginas.

    yrs, B. Dagger Lee

  56. kate

    The other thing about it that starts to puzzle me: part of the patriarchy is getting women to spend a lot of time obsessing about their appearances. When you have a lot of men obsessing about women’s appearances, as well, well, yes, it reinforces the patriarchy, but it also succeeds in distracting men from more important issues, a kind of let-them-dream-about-eating-cake kind of thing.

    I totally agree Narya. Porn is propaganda. Keeping people distracted with their most basic drives seems to work pretty well. Alcohol, food, sex, meaningless short-run play stories and sports keeps the population in its place. It also has the added benefit of lining the members of each class in sub-classes along the hierarchy as well; black, white, girl, woman, man, gay, etc.

    As for FGM, I was thinking the same thing last night (these posts haunt me sometimes while trying to get to sleep). The difference seems to be more of degree. Not only are women pressured to shave, but also to pierce and mutilate their bits right here in the good ole US of A. But of course, its always ‘her choice’. I’ll believe that when I know that each woman I see submitting to this shit owns her own property and all the equity and control in the relationship otherwise. I doubt it.

    Also, might I add that I’ve met more than one young woman who was/is a victim of incest who was instructed to shave as soon as she started to grow hair there. Also, might I add that the ‘trimmed vagina’ shown in the picture also looks more like a child’s vulva than a mature woman’s.

    Thankfully, I’ve never had a man ask me to shave or do other things to my nether regions, so its not something I’ve personally had to deal with. Again, I’m thankful as there was a time in my life when I probably would have submitted to whatever was demanded.

  57. Rob

    I blame five patriarchies.

  58. Joolya

    Sorry for inflicting this upon you, taco fans. I just could not process it by myself and had to call on a professional blamer for help.

  59. Joolya

    “How can a VULVA not be feminine?”

    Yes! Laughing out loud right now.

    Thank you, blamers, from the bottom of my wrinkly vulva.

  60. JimmyDean'sFuckedUpCousinClyde

    I’m guessing that no part of the body is without its detractors.
    And I am aware that there are wa-a-a-ay too many people with deformed locomotive skills — they unconsciously walk flagrantly backwards. This is obvious to observers because as soon as people see them or hear them the first thought is “ASSHOLE!”

    Better to ignore these jerks since all they are trying to do is spread their feces onto others. It’s their perverted way of getting stroked, or in their case, wiped.

  61. pheeno

    Jesus jumped up christ.

    I asked the BF if there were “pretty” vaginas and “ugly” vaginas and he thought I was insane. I then informed him it wasnt MY idea and he said the idiot that came up with this shit is insane and watches too much porn. Our mutual decision was that the asshole watches too much porn because he can’t get near any vagina, symetrical or not.

    He then ranted on how stupid idiots like this give women major issues about their bodies and then NO ONE gets to have much fun during sex. He thinks that may secretly be the goal, since misery loves company.

  62. Silence

    Bloody Hell. I keep looking at the picture of ‘vulva A’ and my eyes refuse to accept it as a real pussy. I’ve seen Japanese anime porn dolls with crotches that look exactly like this and breasts that are bigger than their heads. Of course the worrying about your tits thing is so five minutes ago, isn’t it? Time to give women another source of anxiety, because the world just might possibly end if they’re ever allowed to use their time and energy for, well thinking? Organizing? Or maybe just sitting back and enjoying themselves in whatever way best pleases them?

    Bloody, bloody, bloody patriarchy!

    And I second B. Dagger Lee’s opinion of Pan’s Labyrinth. Go see the damned movie. Now. You can’t look at airbrushed shaved prepubescent beaver shots all day, after all. Leave that to the sad, tiny-batched losers who operate sites like The Vagina Insitute.

  63. MedeaOnCrack

    Twisty’s original post site may or may not be real. This one is. Be warned, before and after photos and nausea inducing description. Although I can understand some of the commentors asking that photogrpahs and graphics not be included (triggering) I think it’s important to get the full frontal brutality. Be shocked and take that into action.

    Do the porn sites hide behind links? Why when do we have to when we expose this for what it is?

    Remove the DOT
    http://www.labiaplastysurgeon(DOT)com/index.html

    “Female sexual enhancement is defined as anything that enhances a woman’s sexuality. This would include any procedures that improve ones self image. Breast enlargement would be an example of the most frequent surgical procedures in this category. However, cosmetic surgery of the female external genitalia has been neglected and frequently derided.

    With the advent of explicit magazines and videos, as well as apparel, the female genitalia is much more on display.Women may become self conscious of their external genitalia’s appearance on the beach as well as the bedroom.”

  64. ew_nc

    Some people really seem to get the fact that female genital mutilation is a human-rights violation. They are ready to march on Washington in defense of their African sisters’ plight. Just as soon as they done with their Botox injection appointment and consultation for breast augmentation. Which they are doing only for themselves, because it makes them feel GOOD about themselves. Needless surgery in the name of an impossible female ideal makes you empowered! (oh dear, I hate it when I use that word, better go gargle) That’s what the handsome young man who is their doctor told them.

    A thousand blames for this one.

  65. thinking girl

    oh my fuck.

    so, I happen to know a bit about this kind of thing, since I worked at a plastic surgery office. A lot of women are getting this done. A lot. It’s usually done under a local anesthetic. My question is: what about sensation post-surgery? Scar tissue loses sensation. But then again, millions of womeon don’t care a lick about losing nipple sensation with breast implants, so they might not care about losing sensation to their genitals, either.

    By the way, when I clicked on the link about penises on that site, I was greeted with a warning screen that what I was about to see included explicit photos and language about pensises, and that I had to be over 18 to view these pages. Meanwhile, the vulvas are displayed all over the front page. I guess seeing female genitals is so common nowadays we don’t need a warning or to be over 18. Or, maybe it’s that they are equating seeing penises with looking upon the face of god or something.

    and the pornification continues…

  66. smelly

    That first one looks like… nothing. It hasn’t developed into an actual vulva yet. Have men moved from lusting after pre-pubescent girls to pre-term babies? Ugh.

  67. H

    Labiaplasty is the new tit job. I bet the plastic surgery industry is just kicking itself that it didn’t start pushing for it years ago given many women’s anxiety about the ‘normality’ of their genitalia.

    Back in the eighties, when I was a teen, I wondered, like most adolescents do, if my genitalia were ‘normal’. I had no way of telling because this was way before the internet (therefore, no access to porn) and I obviously never saw real women’s vulvas in any real detail. I think the anxiety that girls feel must be even worse today given the fucking mudslide of ‘idealized’, airbrushed, trimmed/shaved, nipped n’ tucked vulvas in the media.

    Even more worrying is the way plastic surgery, botox et al, is being increasingly presented by various media organs here in the UK as a ‘normal’ part of ‘beauty maintainance’. What was once the preserve of cartoonish ‘glamour’ models or rich women with nothing going for them but their patriachy-approved faces and figures is now being pushed on all levels of society as a ‘lifestyle option’. Women who work minimum wage jobs are going into debt to purchase saline bags to inflate their breasts or botox to smooth their brows and all are utterly convinced, just as with Brazilian waxing etc, that that they’re ‘doing for for themselves’. It’s just a coincidence that what they want conforms to societal standards of beauty and that their husband ‘just loves it!’, of course.

  68. Mollie

    In regards to the “Ugly Dick Site” comments I give you:

    http://seekingdesperately.blogspot.com/

    Sad and funny shit.

  69. Charliegrrl

    Gosh that’s terrible.
    Just wait…we may not think this will catch on, but a few years time it will be as common as getting a boob job.

    I wish they would fucking leave our bodies alone.

  70. Annie G

    On vaginas – what’s up with the reticence of some people to use the word? I read about the some theatre changing the banner advetising ‘The Vagina Monologues’ to read ‘The HooHaa Monologues’. WTF?

    The opportunity to conduct my own experiment came up the next day. The wife of a workmate just gave birth and the news was being spread around. After the obligatory weight and length statistics a few of the women were asking the method of delivery like this – “So was it a c-section or …” (Just trailing off the sentence). I piped up with “Yeah, was it a c-section or a vaginal birth” and got quite a few embarrassed looks. Anyway – it was described as a ‘normal’ birth, which I took be vaginal.

    I’ve also noticed the word makes my male colleagues giggle. Dickwads.

    Vagina, Vagina, Vagina.

  71. maribelle

    Well, the aesthetes do, in fact, have a giant market, considering the quantity of “improve your length” spam I get

    That’s not about aesthetics to please the male, that’s about performance to please the male.

  72. maribelle

    Sorry: correction:

    That’s not about aesthetics to please the *FE*male, that’s about performance to please the male.

  73. Kevin Hayden

    ugly assymetrical flat-lipped overly-used drooping funk

    I, too, insist upon a healthier, better looking Vice-President.

  74. kcb

    How many women have looked at their genitals and wished that they were better looking, tighter and tidier.

    Tidier, huh? I guess I could pick up the dirty socks and vacuum the cracker crumbs outta there.

  75. roamaround

    “Not only are women pressured to shave, but also to pierce and mutilate their bits right here in the good ole US of A. But of course, its always ‘her choice’.”

    Yes, kate. You and ew_nc are so right about the “choice” hypocrisy involved with women’s self-mutilation in the so-called developed world. While both are ultimately about becoming more pleasing to a mate, there are differences between the decision of a grown women to subject herself to life-threatening surgery like breast enlargements and the forced genital mutilation of a child.

    One difference is that the grown woman’s subjugation is internalized to the point that she inflicts it on herself and calls it choice: “I’m doing it for me.” Which proves that shame is as powerful as a knife.

  76. Mandos

    For me it’s less the triggering and more the likelihood that I’d forget to skip this blog when doing my regular blog check at work. I don’t know why it’s called that. Work, I mean.

  77. The Hedonistic Pleasureseeker

    B Dagger: I went to see Pan’s Labryinth per your suggestion and ended up spending the second half of the movie in an ambulance/emergency room (I’m fine BTW, just got home now). Anyhoo, care to slip me the ending?

  78. Daisy P

    Re – the labiaplasty dot com site mentioned further up – I like how they head it “discreet and confidential help for women” – “help”? And I like how there is a “Surgeons Wanted – click here to enquire”. I didn’t see any women surgeons listed, I only glanced (I did not look too long as this would have been fruitless – I just assumed it was more men making mucho money out of women, whose insecurties were created by men).

    yes, we women just need so much help don’t we? Thye just keep trying to get us to pursue that male-defined, male-created “ideal” – “don’t have a market for it? I know! Let’s create one – they’ll all follow like sheep to keep up with mrs jones.”

    “Even more worrying is the way plastic surgery, botox et al, is being increasingly presented by various media organs here in the UK as a ‘normal’ part of ‘beauty maintainance’. What was once the preserve of cartoonish ‘glamour’ models or rich women with nothing going for them but their patriachy-approved faces and figures is now being pushed on all levels of society as a ‘lifestyle option’. Women who work minimum wage jobs are going into debt to purchase saline bags to inflate their breasts or botox to smooth their brows….”

    I have news for everyone – due to the lax laws on prostitution in the uk, many girls/women are selling their bodies in order to get the vast amounts of money needed to keep their bodies up to the standard that pornstitution promotes in the first place – in other words, they are working in an insustry which helps perpetuate women as “things”, so it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy – the cosmetic surgery industry in this country thrives on the sex industry. Trust me. It probably happens in other countries too, but I have no experience of the laws or the ways round the laws, in other countries.

  79. thinking girl

    re: The Ugly Dick thing -

    aren’t they all? seriously.

  80. Shabnam

    Quoting Flamethorn:
    `How can a VULVA not be feminine?’

    Nothing made me more aware of the perniciousness of femininity (and the whole construct of gender) than when, as a child, I first came across the word “emasculate”.

    Today, I once more looked up the definition in a dictionary:

    emasculate |iˈmaskyəˌlāt|
    verb [ trans. ] make (a person, idea, or piece of legislation) weaker or less effective : our winner-take-all elections emasculate fringe parties like neo-Nazis.
    • [usu. as adj. ] ( emasculated) deprive (a man) of his male role or identity : he feels emasculated because he cannot control his sons’ behavior.
    • archaic castrate (a man or male animal).
    • Botany remove the anthers from a flower.

    ORIGIN early 17th cent.: from Latin emasculat- ‘castrated,’ from the verb emasculare, from e- (variant of ex-, expressing a change of state) masculus ‘male.’

    I can never normally bring myself to use this word, certainly in the sense of the first definition, saying it leaves a bad taste in my mouth, as though I am literally spewing poison.

    So the answer to Flamethorn’s question is:
    Only an emasculated vulva is feminine. The feminine is, by definition, mutilated, weaker and less effective – even a vulva.

  81. Joolya

    The “pretty” vulva on that screen grab is the most horrifyingly gross thing I’ve seen in … a long time. If I came face to face with that vulva in the real world I would recoil in horror – it looks like it was badly burned and then reconstructed by a decent, but not gifted, plastic surgeon. That is just not how the pink taco looks. (Georgia O’Keefe, anyone?)

  82. Antoinette Niebieszczanski

    FGM, anyone? Sheesh.

    Do any of these tools stop to think that they wouldn’t be here if not for ugly female organs of generation?

    The same thing busts my chops when guys start laughing about menstruation. We’re all here because of this hilarious process.

    If the lard in its infinite wisdom saw fit to make it wrinkly, hairy and funky, well then I say so be it.

  83. antiprincess

    The “pretty” vulva on that screen grab is the most horrifyingly gross thing I’ve seen in … a long time. If I came face to face with that vulva in the real world I would recoil in horror – it looks like it was badly burned and then reconstructed by a decent, but not gifted, plastic surgeon. That is just not how the pink taco looks. (Georgia O’Keefe, anyone?)

    I don’t know – while my vulva best resembles Vulva B, that of my female partner (back in the day) best resembled Vulva A – and it was just the way she was built. au naturel. it was just how her pink taco looked.

    I assure you, I did not do any recoiling in horror.

    and no one could call her a tool of the patriarchy and live to tell the tale.

    now that I think about it, of all the women with whom I’ve shared sexual pleasure, not one of them looked like me (Vulva B.) they all looked like Vulva A, without surgery, which got me to thinking I was some kind of mutant for a while.

  84. Sam

    “many girls/women are selling their bodies in order to get the vast amounts of money needed to keep their bodies up to the standard that pornstitution promotes in the first place – in other words, they are working in an industry which helps perpetuate women as “things”, so it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy – the cosmetic surgery industry in this country thrives on the sex industry.”

    Could this reasoning be the thought process behind a Canadian breast cancer group refusing a donation from strippers instead of the popular blog theory that they’re probably just anti-sex morality policewomen snubbing sex workers because they hate them? When a small-time local pimp used his website to raise money for the pornstitution industry feel-good cause extraordinaire- AIDS -the Cascade AIDS Alliance turned his money down, much to their credit IMO.

    Tain’t called a rape culture because destructive sexisms can be dandily compartmentalized.

  85. Sam

    Sorry about the goofed italics but it appears I am unable to edit a fix for them.

  86. fannyblood

    I HEART MY BIG FAT VULVA!!!!!!!!!!

  87. FemiMom

    Mollie – thanks for the “ugly dick” link:
    http://seekingdesperately.blogspot.com/

    I laughed until I cried. Pretty good for a Monday!

  88. curiousgyrl

    This from the labiaplasty site:

    7. Will my sexual partner see or feel any changes resulting from my labiaplasty?

    Feeling a change after a labiaplasty largely depends on the degree of labia abnormality to begin with. Simply said, if there is enough labia tissue present before a labiaplasty is performed that interferes with sexual activity, then usually the sexual partner will feel a difference after labiaplasty, because the excess tissue won’t interfere with any sexual act as it might have before.

    As well, it will be very apparent to your sexual partner that the external structure of the labia will have been altered visually—namely, they’ll be smaller and better aligned. Your sexual partner will clearly notice this change for the better.

    I’m sorry, but I looked at the before and after pictures–how does labia tissue “interfere” with sexual activity? Seems to have worked out for the last few million years, anyway.

    Also, not to be crass, but I imagine some male partners will notice a difference in “feel” and not for the better.

    I guess its all okay, though as long as we are pretty!

  89. curiousgyrl

    and:

    8. Could labiaplasty cause insensitivity?

    There is no physiological association for sensory pleasure with the labia—that function is served by the clitoris. The only sensation elicited from labia is pain upon tearing or stretching. Labiaplasty can’t cause a loss of sensitivity when done correctly.

  90. curiousgyrl

    right, becuase these guys have labia, so they would know! And there’s no g-spot either, remember?

  91. Dawn

    You know what else might cause insensitivity?

    A swift kick in the nut sack.

  92. Varnish Eater

    I’m going to scrub my brain when I get home from work by reading my copy of the “Cunt Coloring Book.” Now where are my crayons?

  93. mearl

    “The feminine is, by definition, mutilated, weaker and less effective – even a vulva.”

    “Do any of these tools stop to think that they wouldn’t be here if not for ugly female organs of generation?

    The same thing busts my chops when guys start laughing about menstruation. We’re all here because of this hilarious process.”

    Sing it! Bang bang, Shabnam and Antoinette!

    I love these bites: fuel for my debates with the uninitiated and/or just plain ignorant. Thanks, mates.

  94. PhoenixRising

    Ghuuuu…Fuuu…O shit I can’t even form a coherent curse strong enough for this entire concept.

    I must say, beyond expressing disgust as have so many others: Who are these authorities stating that there is no feeling in the labia? On what basis are they making that claim?

    Because damn, if the women who go for this crap believe that, they have been suffering from incompetent lovers on top of all their other problems. Personally, I’m using my labia as directed, not having a dart taken in them.

    This is like the feminine protection product that I like so much, referred to in our home as The Frisbee, which is a little floppy disc that fits over the cervix. It’s cool for many reasons but the directions state, ‘You can even use Instead ™ during sex!’ To which one can only respond, If my cervix stays in the same place and shape, someone may have had sex but *I* sure haven’t!

  95. Keeshond

    The “pretty” vulva looks like Barbie’s with a thin strip of felt glued to it with craft glue.

    As to the sensory capacity of labia, that discussion reminds me of an extremely popular “theory” from the early to mid 90s that women have no nerve endings in their vaginas that was cited and touted repeatedly. The geniuses who came up with that theory were all men, and the geniuses who kept repeating it were all men. Size anxiety much guys??

  96. Sylvanite

    In my personal experience, the guys I’ve known who were pro-shaving (for vulvas, not necessarily themselves, of course) have been far more experienced with pornographic images of women than the real thing, and/or, extremely interested in having a woman who was easily controlled and dominated. I guess the prepubescent look really was a bit pedophiliac, inasmuch as they took hairless pubes to be symbolic of women’s childlike inferiority. Happily, these guys are no longer counted among my acquaintances.

  97. elyzabethe

    WHERE IS the woman’s vagina in the first one??? I’m just kind of utterly flabbergasted because, maybe i’m being silly and naive or something, but … i didn’t think anyone’s looked like that at all – there’s nothing there! it’s just like a barbie pubic region!

  98. Jack M

    A friend forwarded your site to me because her last boyfriend (a jackass) didn’t appreciate that she had long labia that deviated from the pornified uniformity of Playboy. It’s ironic that this site would take it upon itself to promote or assert a single norm, since I’d imagine that there have to be men out there who aren’t trying to impose idealized labia on women at all, but actually appreciate the uniqueness and variety of life. Not everybody’s supposed to look the same, and Georgia O’Keefe was really onto something with those flowers…

    That said, maybe this view is patriarchal too. I may be living in a false consciousness of the liberal progressive grad student.

  99. Twisty

    “It’s ironic that this site would take it upon itself to promote or assert a single norm,”

    That’s why it’s called “The Visible Labia Blog”; I’m just nuts for promoting a single norm.

  100. yankee transplant

    Very little flabbergasts this old woman. This, however, has succeeded.

  101. habe

    This reminds me of an article, “Scientific Racism and the Emergence of the Homosexual Body” by Siobhan Somerville (Journal of the History of Sexuality, Vol. 5, 1994). She explores how scientists concluded, after examining women’s genitalia, that the anatomy of black women and lesbian women were (in their words) “sufficiently well marked to distinguish these parts from those of any ordinary varieties of the human species.”

  102. habe

    That verb should have been “was” instead of were. Anyway, the point is same old patriarchy, same old tricks. Only now they’ll “fix” you for a fee.

  103. that big girl

    wow. what an intro to your blog! Sitting at a table in the Health Sciences Library of a MajorUniversity, ostensibly surrounded by objective literature on all manner of health-related topics, even those topics related to *gasp* vaginas, I was still embarrassed for a second by the pictures. I’ll chalk it up to the fact that I was embarrassed by the patriarchally horrific context of the photos, not that I don’t like random strangers walking past and seeing me looking at pussies in the library.

    If anyone has gotten this far in the comments and needs an antidote to the nastiness Twisty is discussing, try Betty Dodson, author of Sex for One. I think she’s also worked on a vagina coloring book. Anyway, there’s several pages of gorgeous drawings of vaginal variation in Sex for One. Good stuff.

    And I was also a little freaked by the lack of hair in both those pictures. It’s one thing to know when I’m out of the norm (and that’s a common occurrence for me, I’m cool with it), but it’s quite another to realize that 80% of the population is waxing their perianal areas bare, and that I should prepare a statement as to why I’m not. One of our instructors recently told us about a student she had who, upon examination of a 16 yo girl who shaved her pubic hair, stated that it was obvious that the patient was sexually active, ‘because why else would she shave her vulva?’ why else, indeed.

  104. Twisty

    I like to think, That Big Girl, that by publishing them here we have re-contextualized the photos so that they now serve a beneficially subversive, patriarchy-smashing purpose.

    As for perianal waxing, you’d have to pry those pubes from my cold, dead butt. Yeeowch.

  105. Jane Awake

    First of all, from the “About the Institute link”:

    Classification of the aesthetic beauty of the vagina and vulva is not based on what we say, but rather on what the numbers indicate. When the numbers near certain parameters and symmetrical values, the vulva and vagina become ideal or in a sense, it reaches a heightened perfection in its aesthetic beauty. The further away the vagina and vulva are from the preset parameters and symmetrical values, well the vagina tends to be not as good looking, in-fact we can use the word “ugly” to define it correctly.

    We know that the use of the word “ugly or deformed” is not very well accepted among some women and it may sound insensitive. However, it is a proper definition as too what will pop into the minds of men and women once they get a glimpse of a vagina and vulva that are not good-looking with a lot of variation. Nevertheless, we also have to accept the fact and reality of life and not live in a fantasy world when it comes to the female gender. Things do exist and it is a part of our every day life.

    Overall, the Vagina Institute does not intend to incite or flare ill sentiment on women who do not fit into the aesthetically pleasant group of females with a perfect vagina and vulva. We are here simply to distribute our findings and our information about the female reproductive organ. Highly censored through fear and emotions of some, but nevertheless, we as humans have a natural curiosity to explore, learn, with it understand, and appreciate the differences between women’s reproductive organs.

    Worst rationalization ever?

  106. Jane Awake

    Basically, it seems to me they are saying, “Sorry ladies, when we say your vulva and/or vagina is ugly, we just mean it as a statement of fact. Nothing personal.”

    Awesome.

    It took reading this whole damn thread to feel better after clicking around on this web site.

    Any other girls in het relationships out there often disgusted by the way her BF/Husband has internalized the ideals of the patriarchy. O! awkward conversations with the boyfriend about how he has been brainwashed to hate women, especially asymmetrical un-puny women. (Sorry, was just thinking about showing the site to BF and having to EXPLAIN what is wrong with it while he gets a hard on because of all the naked ladies. Sometimes I HATE him on principle or by association.)

    Also, um, what’s up with no vaginas of color on the web site? They forgot to mention that the superior genitals must be not only bald, symmetrical, tiny and unintimidating, but also white.

    Thank god the patriarchal standards of beauty for vulvas are exactly the same as for women in general.

  107. thinking girl

    I have heard that some women want to have labiaplasty because their labia minora cause them too much discomfort or pain during sexual intercourse (the penile penetration variety, natch).

    to which I say, phallo-hetero-centric bullshit. there’s more than one way to skin a cat.

  108. Carolyn

    About the shaved female genitals that pornography always shows and how it realy makes women’s genitals look like little girls, in a report that was done by Dr.Judith Reisman for the U.S. Justice Department Violence and Juvenile Diliquency Prevention in 1986 called,Images Of Children,Crime And Violence in Playboy,Penthouse and Hustler Magazines,it was found that Playboy was promoting and normalizing for 3 decades not only the sexist objectification of women as just sex objects to use for the whole sexist male dominated population’s pleasure, but that they published thousands of full page color cartoon drawings,articles and some pictures too making jokes and normalizing gang rapes of women and small children,incest,sexual harassment on the job,and sexual murders women and very little children, and adults having sex with very little girls. And always presenting the children as unharmed and even benefiting from the sexual abuse from the adults! And Dr. Reisman found many pictures in all 3 magazines of women with shaved genitals for the stimulation of both normal and child molesting juvenile and adult readers, the other two magazines coppied what Playboy had started.

  109. mirror

    I’m so confused. I’m a het-man and I like vagina B but with natural hair.

    What the hell is going on?
    Is it because I went through puberty in the early 70s?
    Am I aberrant to be attracted to ordinary physical attributes?

    Luckily, my honey isn’t interested in reforming her body.

  110. chump

    Well, mirror the notion that one sort of vulva or another is something that anyone should have any kind of preference for in the first place is rooted in pornography.

  111. mcat

    I have so much to say I don’t know what to say. I am afraid to ask: What next?!

    What a relief to read the responses of all the posters here. At least I can see my beliefs reflected back to me, loud, clear and strong. Thanks to everyone who posted.

    Will the patriarchal-capitalist-industrial-complex ever run out of things to plunder and sell?

    My male partner says: “The one on the left doesn’t look real. It looks like a doll with some hair stitched on.”

  112. Carolyn

    Doesn’t anyone have anything to say about what I posted a few posts above about Playboy’s history of promoting sexual violence against women and little children and also publishing many pictures of women with shaved genitals to makes them look like little girls and promote the adults having sex with children that they promoted in their cartoons,articles and other images? Please go to feminist psychiatrist Dr.Linnea Smith’s web site Talking Trash Another Look At Centerfolds where she has *tons* of powerful research on the harms of pornography.

  113. amanda w

    It occurs to me that another reason this particular “standard” is coming in vogue is that it desexualizes the woman’s sex organs. Make them less imposing, less intimidating, less sexual. That way you can fuck the woman but don’t have to be reminded of her dirty, shameful sexuality.

    The labia most certainly do have sensation. Notice their absence in Vulva A, as well as the absence of the clitoral hood… so basically, remove or reduce in size/sensitivity the most pleasurable parts of the woman for the woman herself. But leave the tight pussy so the guy can basically use her as a masturbatory tool.

    Twisty, your blog somehow depresses and heartens me at the same time. Depresses for obvious reasons, but heartens me to know that this stuff is being noticed for what it is, being analyzed, and figured out how to defeat. You explain so easily so many things I’ve always been very uncomfortable with but rarely able to articulate. I don’t feel so “alone” now. Someone else understands. Many others, even, understand. So, thanks for that.

  114. Pony

    Carolyn, if you search in the archives for pedophilia, you will find lots of posts by Twisty with comments from the community. One that comes to mind is “He touched my special grey (gray?) area”. Then, might want to check out Nikki Craft’s website, Genderberg.com, Sparkle*Martix blog, Biting Beaver blog (although silent now lots of good posts to read). Genderberg is a meeting place for feminist focus on pornography and prostitution, and how that is linked to pedophilia. Good luck.

  115. deQaid

    I’m a fan of the section that describes various vaginas as either “feminine” or “unfeminine”. If there is one trait I thought that people could accept as invariably feminine, it is having a vagina of any kind whatsoever.

    Oh, and here’s a related story: I was in a business meeting about a client that acts as a reference for various surgeons. “So on the front page of the site are various categories of surgery.” says my boss, writing on a whiteboard, “Lasik, Plastic, Labial.” “Excuse me,” I say, “does that say Labial Surgery?” “Yes,” he says. “Apparently it’s the hot new surgery.” Okay, I don’t know which is more unbelievable… that we are talking about labia at a business meeting, or that some assholes have managed to convince people they need to do surgery on their labia.

  116. roamaround

    Wax is bad enough, but now *labial surgery* is hot? It’s insane! I’m moving to Denmark.

    But next someone will tell me that Denmark is just as bad or getting there. A friend who recently came to the U.S. from Pakistan is constantly amazed at the extent of women’s subjugation here. She thought American women were equal (not surprising since that’s the Official Imperial Propaganda).

    One of the big lies is that women’s oppression is geographically/culturally determined. That’s why I had a big depressing debate with some liberal academic relativist wankers (male and female) who insisted that FGM is really ok (“just like circumcision!”) and that I am a bigot for objecting to it since I cannot possibly understand women who are culturally different. Of course the way our oppression plays out can differ, but hatred of vaginas is everywhere.

  117. Flamethorn

    Well, mirror the notion that one sort of vulva or another is something that anyone should have any kind of preference for in the first place is rooted in pornography.

    erm… So if I think blue eyes are attractive, that’s also rooted in porn?

    I mean srsly.

    “the notion that one color of eyes or another is something that anyone should have any kind of preference for”

    “the notion that one level of muscle tone or another is something that anyone should have any kind of preference for”

    “the notion that one hairstyle or another is something that anyone should have any kind of preference for”

    In a porn-free, depatriarchalized society, people will still have preferences. The only difference is that people whose preferences are not in line with those currently pornulated will be as free to talk about those preferences as people whose are.

    I hope that sentence made sense.

  118. Flamethorn

    Doesn’t anyone have anything to say about what I posted a few posts above about Playboy’s history of promoting sexual violence against women and little children and also publishing many pictures of women with shaved genitals to makes them look like little girls and promote the adults having sex with children that they promoted in their cartoons,articles and other images?

    You’re pretty much preaching to the choir on that. Yes, it’s bad. And?

  119. Pony

    It did make sense. Eminently. I have preferences. He’d be about 32. What?

  120. Carolyn

    Flamethorn, you asked what is the point and that it’s bad. The point is very self explanatory isn’t it! The point is that it’s really horrible that pornography has been so mainstreamed and normalized and that since we all live in a male dominated sexist,gender divided,gender stereotyped,woman hating society,and we all live under men’s rules and definitions of everything,some women are now influenced to support pornography too. As professor Rebecca Whisnant said to me in a phone conversation,women are playing a long with pornography now,and she said if you can’t beat them join them!

  121. Carolyn

    Pony, I *was* a registered member at Genderberg until one of the members insulted me by saying all my posts were the same things repeated and that she would just skip them,I said a lot of different related powerful things and information about the sexist harms of pornography and she would have known this if she would have read through all of my posts!

  122. maribelle

    Hey, Carolyn–I know what it’s like to write a long, indepth and carefully thought out entry and no one seems to respond. But often people do react in the “real world”, even if they don’t respond on the blog. I have enjoyed your thought provoking posts on this and other threads. I also try not to respond with only a “you go, girl” unless I have something specific to add to the conversation.

    erm… So if I think blue eyes are attractive, that’s also rooted in porn?

    The difference with porn, flamethorn, is that eyes and other physical attributes have been on public display for most all human history (burkas notwithstanding.) But the vulva has only in recent years been publicaly displayed regularly in a socially acceptable way — via porn.

    So before porn went mainstream, there was almost no public standard of comparison. Now that porn has put women’s genitalia under the camera and the public eye, the process of “deciding what’s pretty” is transparently revealed on that website to be a completely socially comstructed process.

    Why would the website need to EXPLAIN why one picture of a vulva is “prettier” than another if they were not in the very process of constructing an ideal? Really, this clearly reveals how women and our bodies are objectified.

    They are not reflecting a naturally held beauty ideal; they are creating it.

  123. Carolyn

    Maribelle,

    thanks for your supportive comments. Please see my info on debunking gender myths and gender stereotypes on the topic of Perfunctory BDSM too. And please see my comments on the Pervwatch 07 topic.

  124. me_at_home

    Many prostitutes and female pornographic film actresses get this operation done because their ‘lips’ have stretched so badly that people find it unusual and a sign of promiscuity – in the UK there is the term ‘slappers’ (for obvious reasons).

  125. Lauredhel

    me_at_home, I think you might have caught some ugly folk etymology there, not that the original is particularly un-ugly. The OED says:

    “Slapper in British, a prostitute or slut. This working class term from East London and Essex is probably a corruption of shlepper or schlepper, a word of Yiddish origin, one of whose meanings is a slovenly or immoral woman.”

  126. ChickenBrothel

    Ok. Vaginas are absolutely disgusting. I think we all know that and we’re over it. It’s common knowledge.

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