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		<title>By: Carolyn</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2007/02/20/pervwatch-07/#comment-39046</link>
		<dc:creator>Carolyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2007 15:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had posted these comments yesterday on here was it removed? I had said but it does relate to this guy using porn at work and men often sexually harass women with it in the workplace,and it also has to do with how normalized and mainstreamed it&#039;s become that he and other men use it at work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had posted these comments yesterday on here was it removed? I had said but it does relate to this guy using porn at work and men often sexually harass women with it in the workplace,and it also has to do with how normalized and mainstreamed it&#8217;s become that he and other men use it at work.</p>
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		<title>By: Twisty</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2007/02/20/pervwatch-07/#comment-38888</link>
		<dc:creator>Twisty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Feb 2007 19:32:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry, Carolyn, but this is not a message board. This is my own personal blog, and the topic under discussion is a guy who&#039;s suing IBM for firing him because he was jerking off at work. If you have anything to add to this specific subject, by all means bring it forth, but this is not the place to lead your own discussion on other topics. I hope this clarifies things for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry, Carolyn, but this is not a message board. This is my own personal blog, and the topic under discussion is a guy who&#8217;s suing IBM for firing him because he was jerking off at work. If you have anything to add to this specific subject, by all means bring it forth, but this is not the place to lead your own discussion on other topics. I hope this clarifies things for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Carolyn</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2007/02/20/pervwatch-07/#comment-38885</link>
		<dc:creator>Carolyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Feb 2007 19:17:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I meant  that she said is really gross.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I meant  that she said is really gross.</p>
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		<title>By: Carolyn</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2007/02/20/pervwatch-07/#comment-38878</link>
		<dc:creator>Carolyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Feb 2007 18:47:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why isn&#039;t this blog the appropiate place to post all of this information though? Why should I go to my own blog and write the same information? By the way Jackson Katz a former all star college football player and leading anti-sexist anti-violence educator has a recent very important book out called,The Macho Paradox:Why Some Men Hurt Women And How All Men Can Help,and he has a chapter on the harmful miseducation of pornography on boys and men&#039;s attitudes about girls and women and sexuality and he says in an online interview I sent to Twisty and I really wish she would post on here, that pornography is the # 1 source of sex miseducation for men and boys and plays a big part in how they see girls and women and in the socialization of boys and men. His book is about all men taking responsibility for the high numbers of rape and domestic violence in our society. In an online article he wrote about these issues he says it&#039;s men who are buying degrading pornography,hateful rap music,and commiting the violence against women.

Jackson Katz wrote me several supportive emails a few years ago. In one he says I totally agre with you that the mainstreaming of pornography is a terrible development and he fears it&#039;s only going to get worse,and then he told me about this book he was working on.  In another email he said he thinks the reason that some women even some who call themselves &quot;feminists&quot; are supporting pornography now,is a misguided attempt to appear so-called &quot;liberated&quot; and to appeal to men,but he said there are a lot of people out there including many men who are educating about the truth about pornography.

I want to describe this workshop called Pornography:What&#039;s The Harm? by anti-sexist anti-violence therapist Rus Ervin Funk from the web site of The Center For Women and Families in Marcch 2005. It says Join The Center For Women and Families in this frank conversation about pornography and the harm it causes to the women and men used in it&#039;s production to women and men through men&#039;s use of pornography,to women in general,and to sexual,gender and racial justice.This discussion will include ways to combat pornography and to support the people who are harmed. Facilitated by Rus Ervin Funk MSW,The Center For Women and Families Part of Sexual Asault Awareness month. Co-sponsored by the Jefferson County Chapter of The National Organization For Women and The Women&#039;s Center For Growth and Leadership at Jefferson Community College.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why isn&#8217;t this blog the appropiate place to post all of this information though? Why should I go to my own blog and write the same information? By the way Jackson Katz a former all star college football player and leading anti-sexist anti-violence educator has a recent very important book out called,The Macho Paradox:Why Some Men Hurt Women And How All Men Can Help,and he has a chapter on the harmful miseducation of pornography on boys and men&#8217;s attitudes about girls and women and sexuality and he says in an online interview I sent to Twisty and I really wish she would post on here, that pornography is the # 1 source of sex miseducation for men and boys and plays a big part in how they see girls and women and in the socialization of boys and men. His book is about all men taking responsibility for the high numbers of rape and domestic violence in our society. In an online article he wrote about these issues he says it&#8217;s men who are buying degrading pornography,hateful rap music,and commiting the violence against women.</p>
<p>Jackson Katz wrote me several supportive emails a few years ago. In one he says I totally agre with you that the mainstreaming of pornography is a terrible development and he fears it&#8217;s only going to get worse,and then he told me about this book he was working on.  In another email he said he thinks the reason that some women even some who call themselves &#8220;feminists&#8221; are supporting pornography now,is a misguided attempt to appear so-called &#8220;liberated&#8221; and to appeal to men,but he said there are a lot of people out there including many men who are educating about the truth about pornography.</p>
<p>I want to describe this workshop called Pornography:What&#8217;s The Harm? by anti-sexist anti-violence therapist Rus Ervin Funk from the web site of The Center For Women and Families in Marcch 2005. It says Join The Center For Women and Families in this frank conversation about pornography and the harm it causes to the women and men used in it&#8217;s production to women and men through men&#8217;s use of pornography,to women in general,and to sexual,gender and racial justice.This discussion will include ways to combat pornography and to support the people who are harmed. Facilitated by Rus Ervin Funk MSW,The Center For Women and Families Part of Sexual Asault Awareness month. Co-sponsored by the Jefferson County Chapter of The National Organization For Women and The Women&#8217;s Center For Growth and Leadership at Jefferson Community College.</p>
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		<title>By: Victoria Marinelli</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2007/02/20/pervwatch-07/#comment-38780</link>
		<dc:creator>Victoria Marinelli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Feb 2007 04:32:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carolyn,

Your rage and energy on these topics is welcome and wonderful, and my first thought when I read your comments above was that you&#039;d do well to get a blog yourself. Then Twisty took a moment to reply to you, and then it appeared you took her comments (or perhaps her lack of some highly specific response you had been anticipating) to mean things I&#039;m pretty sure Twisty didn&#039;t mean. 

A couple of things:

1) While I wouldn&#039;t dare attempt to speak for Twisty (the still fairly Young Onion in me remains both theoretically, and to a lesser degree generationally, deferential to the far more experienced and knowledgeable Spinster Aunt) but since she&#039;s said as much in her replies to you, I think it&#039;s pretty damned safe to say she&#039;s on &lt;em&gt;your&lt;/em&gt; side. You might safely assume that the average reader of this blog is &lt;em&gt;also&lt;/em&gt; on your side. 

2) Damn straight, you should get thee a blog. Not because your ideas, experience, research, etc. don&#039;t merit airing here in the comments (that&#039;s not my call anyhow), but because why not? I&#039;m pretty sure folks would want to read you and learn from what you have to say. If you are so inclined, I&#039;d be happy to give you some pointers on starting out on such a quest (in which case, feel free to &lt;a href=&quot;http://victoriamarinelli.com/main/contact/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;contact me&lt;/a&gt;). And I have a massive list of antiporn resources, blogs, etc. that you might like to network with.

3) If you&#039;re not inclined to blog as such, but you&#039;re interested in engaging in a very active way with others working against pornography, on a site where specific pieces of research such as that which you&#039;ve referenced above are likely to generate a broad response (maybe closer to the responses you seem to be seeking, from my highly subjective vantage point in all this), I highly recommend &lt;a href=&quot;http://genderberg.com/phpBB/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the bulletin boards at Genderberg.com&lt;/a&gt;. 

4) It&#039;s my impression that Twisty probably gets an assload of email and comments on any given day. I twittered with embarrassingly girlish glee when she responded to &lt;em&gt;a very few of these&lt;/em&gt; I&#039;d posted, and did not sulk needlessly that I didn&#039;t get some highly detailed narrative responding to each and every thing I&#039;d articulated. It&#039;s her blog, and she&#039;s going to write whatever she damn well pleases (both in posts and comments) and has the time for (she also has a non-blogging life!). I take what she offers here as a gift, pure and simple, and I&#039;m grateful for it.

Best regards - Victoria</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carolyn,</p>
<p>Your rage and energy on these topics is welcome and wonderful, and my first thought when I read your comments above was that you&#8217;d do well to get a blog yourself. Then Twisty took a moment to reply to you, and then it appeared you took her comments (or perhaps her lack of some highly specific response you had been anticipating) to mean things I&#8217;m pretty sure Twisty didn&#8217;t mean. </p>
<p>A couple of things:</p>
<p>1) While I wouldn&#8217;t dare attempt to speak for Twisty (the still fairly Young Onion in me remains both theoretically, and to a lesser degree generationally, deferential to the far more experienced and knowledgeable Spinster Aunt) but since she&#8217;s said as much in her replies to you, I think it&#8217;s pretty damned safe to say she&#8217;s on <em>your</em> side. You might safely assume that the average reader of this blog is <em>also</em> on your side. </p>
<p>2) Damn straight, you should get thee a blog. Not because your ideas, experience, research, etc. don&#8217;t merit airing here in the comments (that&#8217;s not my call anyhow), but because why not? I&#8217;m pretty sure folks would want to read you and learn from what you have to say. If you are so inclined, I&#8217;d be happy to give you some pointers on starting out on such a quest (in which case, feel free to <a href="http://victoriamarinelli.com/main/contact/" rel="nofollow">contact me</a>). And I have a massive list of antiporn resources, blogs, etc. that you might like to network with.</p>
<p>3) If you&#8217;re not inclined to blog as such, but you&#8217;re interested in engaging in a very active way with others working against pornography, on a site where specific pieces of research such as that which you&#8217;ve referenced above are likely to generate a broad response (maybe closer to the responses you seem to be seeking, from my highly subjective vantage point in all this), I highly recommend <a href="http://genderberg.com/phpBB/" rel="nofollow">the bulletin boards at Genderberg.com</a>. </p>
<p>4) It&#8217;s my impression that Twisty probably gets an assload of email and comments on any given day. I twittered with embarrassingly girlish glee when she responded to <em>a very few of these</em> I&#8217;d posted, and did not sulk needlessly that I didn&#8217;t get some highly detailed narrative responding to each and every thing I&#8217;d articulated. It&#8217;s her blog, and she&#8217;s going to write whatever she damn well pleases (both in posts and comments) and has the time for (she also has a non-blogging life!). I take what she offers here as a gift, pure and simple, and I&#8217;m grateful for it.</p>
<p>Best regards &#8211; Victoria</p>
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		<title>By: Carolyn</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2007/02/20/pervwatch-07/#comment-38770</link>
		<dc:creator>Carolyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Feb 2007 03:37:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have given a lot of strong facts to advance the case against pornography read what I have written again!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have given a lot of strong facts to advance the case against pornography read what I have written again!</p>
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		<title>By: Carolyn</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2007/02/20/pervwatch-07/#comment-38769</link>
		<dc:creator>Carolyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Feb 2007 03:35:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Twisty,

Why do you say that I&#039;m just making personal rants against pornography when I have given a lot of strong factual informaton to make the case against it! And when you say my &quot;views&quot; against pornography and that most people on here agree with it, how is it just a &quot;view&quot; that pornography is harmful very sexist,dehumanizes women and has woman hating in it just a &quot;view&quot; and how could any true feminist visiting here not be afgainst that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Twisty,</p>
<p>Why do you say that I&#8217;m just making personal rants against pornography when I have given a lot of strong factual informaton to make the case against it! And when you say my &#8220;views&#8221; against pornography and that most people on here agree with it, how is it just a &#8220;view&#8221; that pornography is harmful very sexist,dehumanizes women and has woman hating in it just a &#8220;view&#8221; and how could any true feminist visiting here not be afgainst that?</p>
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		<title>By: Twisty</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2007/02/20/pervwatch-07/#comment-38720</link>
		<dc:creator>Twisty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 19:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carolyn, I think it&#039;s pretty clear that I&#039;m outraged; few topics water my crab tree like porn does. Furthermore, I appreciate the anguish you must feel as a result of your own experiences, as well as your sense of urgency about spreading the word. Which is why I think that you might have better luck soliciting responses specific to your views were you to air them in your own porn-specific forum; since most those reading this already agree with you, nobody around here is likely to have much to add to your general &quot;porn is evil&quot; thesis, particularly since your comments rather take on the character of personal rants rather than advancements of the discourse currently under way. Nothing against personal rants, lard knows, but the best place for those is your own blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carolyn, I think it&#8217;s pretty clear that I&#8217;m outraged; few topics water my crab tree like porn does. Furthermore, I appreciate the anguish you must feel as a result of your own experiences, as well as your sense of urgency about spreading the word. Which is why I think that you might have better luck soliciting responses specific to your views were you to air them in your own porn-specific forum; since most those reading this already agree with you, nobody around here is likely to have much to add to your general &#8220;porn is evil&#8221; thesis, particularly since your comments rather take on the character of personal rants rather than advancements of the discourse currently under way. Nothing against personal rants, lard knows, but the best place for those is your own blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Carolyn</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2007/02/20/pervwatch-07/#comment-38716</link>
		<dc:creator>Carolyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 19:16:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Twisty, but aren&#039;t you also outraged about the injustices and injuries of pornography too?  What do you have to say about those as*sholes I tried to get through to on Queer Dewd&#039;s blog who support porn?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Twisty, but aren&#8217;t you also outraged about the injustices and injuries of pornography too?  What do you have to say about those as*sholes I tried to get through to on Queer Dewd&#8217;s blog who support porn?</p>
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		<title>By: Twisty</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2007/02/20/pervwatch-07/#comment-38674</link>
		<dc:creator>Twisty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 14:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carolyn, if there was ever a case of a commenter needing her own blog, it&#039;s you. I strongly urge you to consider starting &quot;Carolyn&#039;s Pornography Sucks Blog.&quot; You go girl.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carolyn, if there was ever a case of a commenter needing her own blog, it&#8217;s you. I strongly urge you to consider starting &#8220;Carolyn&#8217;s Pornography Sucks Blog.&#8221; You go girl.</p>
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