Mar 15 2007

Public meatloaves of Austin, now, sadly, with Garrison Keillor

Somewhat better than lutefisk: the loaf of meat at a new joint on South Congress called, I am sorry to say, The Woodland. It is the sort of place that sells plates of “comfort food” for $12, has a fake tree growing in the middle of the room, and alludes to whipped potatoes as “mashers.”

Great news! I have figured out how to defeat patriarchy.

No, wait a minute. Upon further reflection, I’m afraid it turns out that all my solutions involve the intervention of imaginary 3rd party aliens.

One of which aliens, as long as I am winging along on a flight of fancy, would be under strict instructions to deal sternly with humble down-home liberal gasbag Garrison Keillor, perhaps by stuffing a quantity of lutefisk, made by modest Lutheran church ladies, into his folksy old piehole and applying ducktape thereupon. For though the dude makes it easier to accept as an axiom that old people are all bigots, one despairs to hear him in action.

I allude to remarks tendered by Keillor in a recent essay published in Salon, wherein he lets loose, in a mocking tone, a string of gay stereotypes that, if I had hair, would’ve curled it. Surely you’ve seen it by now? It’s the one where Keillor, a sexist asshole and serial mack-daddy of some renown, makes himself ridiculous as a shill for heterosexual monogamy, on the grounds that it protects innocent children from the horrors of “hyphenated” — i.e. step — relatives, and from pairs of “sardonic,” “flamboyant,” campy-performer-worshipin’, chartreuse-pants-wearin’ “daddies.”

Lake Woebegone is where Rockwellian fantasies of a honky smalltown godbag greatest-generation America go to rot; would that it could also contain the paternalistic, pretentiously faux-rustic prattlings of its delusional old fart creator.


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  1. J

    I’m glad you wrote something on this. I was taken back at not only the stereo-typing of homosexuals, but by his perseverance in the golden age of monogamy that never was and never will be. Specifically in how he posits this golden age as an antidote from the past to unhappy marriages, which are, before all else, a problem for children. For the Love of Ralph Waldo Emerson, he even pulls the ideological gesture par excellance, and dictates what’s natural: as if that should mean it’s what we have to do.

    While I think that we should make the world safe and relatively happy for children, I do not think this should be done at the expense of fostering the belief in themor others that this is how things are.

  2. kcb

    If they want to be accepted as couples and daddies, however, the flamboyance may have to be brought under control. Parents are supposed to stand in back and not wear chartreuse pants and black polka-dot shirts.

    You can tell he wasn’t raised by hipsters in the 70s.

    I find his views on what constitutes acceptable parental behavior almost as offensive as his anti-gay attitude. And I have to wonder how much day-to-day parenting he’s done in his lifetime to get the notion that parents don’t get to be fully human.

  3. kcb

    And this is one of those things that you read and wonder if he actually knows any gay people. Perhaps he’s spent too much time in Lake Woebegon already.

  4. jami

    i once left a mean comment on salon when thrice-married (and always to a younger model) mr. keillor dared to give marital advice.

    but my guilt is now assuaged. keillor’s a liberal dude, that’s all. he thinks he’s for everyone, but if dan savage shows up at the picnic with his son, all keillor apparently notices are savage’s pants.

  5. hedonistic

    Having spent my formative years on the shores of Lake Wobegone, I so love MOST of Keillor’s humor, although I wonder if much of it goes right over most of America’s head. Norwegian Bachelor Farmers? The Lutheran Ladies Society of Perpetual Responsibility? Ice Fishermen? His stories are all hysterical to anyone who grew up with them. “Cawfee? OHHHHHHH sure you want more cawfee, just one cup, HERE ya go!” You need to say this in a Scandinavian singsong girly voice. “Pie?” I practically pee my pants just typing this. Seriously.

    THAT SAID, over the years Keillor has become so full of himself. I think the fame did him in; he loves the sound of his own voice and he’s gotten so pompous that I can’t even bear to listen to him BREATHE. I actually have to turn down the volume so I can’t hear those affected breaths he takes when he pauses. Drives me batty.

    I also wonder if he’s gotten a little addled with age to the point where he’s mixing up reality with fantasy. What USED to make Prairie Home Companion so funny were his stories about how Norman Rockwellish things WEREN’T. I suppose that’s why I don’t listen to the show as much as I used to.

  6. Hawise

    Good I hope that this is simply satire meant to get some conversation going, otherwise what an ass. Heck my paternal grandmother was a divorced, single mom of five kids and my parents are celebrating their 50th wedding anniversary this year. We never ruled the roost as children and trust me, none of the seniors of my family would have tolerated us if we tried. We may have run amok by modern standards but it was in a world that was strictly controlled by our adults.

    He seems to have been trying to make a point about spending so much to study the obvious but he seems to have missed his own bloody point.

  7. Christopher Bradley

    My family were, at one time, big Garrison Keillor fans. They might still be, but I wouldn’t know because it’s precisely that middle America fantasy — that, in my experience, is always a terrible lie covering up sexism, racism and homophobia and is, at root, terribly conservative. Not in a necessarily religious sense or in the sense that they vote Republican, but in the sense that they are filled with a nostalgia for “the way things were” back in the “good old days” when people didn’t have to lock their doors. Unstated but present in the fantasy: because the niggers knew their place and women weren’t so uppity and the fags knew how to behave.

  8. mearl

    It was good to see on Salon that most of the comments tore him in strips. Married three times to three women and writing an article about monogamy and how people need to live without the horrors of step-relatives? Oh, Mr. Keillor, Sir, can I have some advice too?

  9. Mamasquab

    Twenty-five years ago, Keillor was funny to anybody who had spent any time in Minuhsoata, because he pegged many cultural oddities just right. Now, he’s full of himself, and the small-town veneer pasted over a cesspool of racism, homophobia, religious intolerance, and other forms of bigotry, is peeling badly.

  10. Hattie

    I’m older than Keillor, and yet I have gone on at length in many places about what an old fart he is. He’s a fake old fart, who has made a living pushing old farthood to genuine old farts. Actually, he’s a nasty perv with a heart of hogwash.

  11. Spinning Liz

    Wait. Somebody actually paid him to write that tired hackneyed ignorant drivel? Salon has gone further down the tubes than I ever imagined possible, even though I stopped reading them in disgust 4 years ago.

  12. Varnish Eater

    I grew up listening to PHC. When I first read about this article I was shocked! I think it mostly had to do with nostalgia on my part, though.

    But seriously, Keillor’s article doesn’t even make SENSE. What is his point, even? Is he going senile?

  13. Jix

    I read an essay by Keillor once, and I thought at the time that he had to just be so GAY, from his style I suppose. But I only read that single essay, so perhaps I misjudged. Perhaps.

  14. teffie-phd

    Thanks for providing me with the perfect example of heteronormativity for my post. Oh and of sexist, racist, homophobic craptastic essay writing.

    I don’t run into a lot of women Keillor’s age who are all nostalgic about “the good old days”. I’m amazed at home many of those older women (my Grandmother’s cohort) who said they were surprised how happy they are as widows.

  15. hedonistic

    Varnish Eater and Mamasquab: It just occurred to me that our nostalgia with PHC might be as addled as Keillor’s nostalgia for the way things never were in Du Great Nord. Perhaps besides the spot-on impersonations of Minnesotan personality archtypes the show wasn’t funny in the first place? Oh dear I must go lay down now.

  16. Debby

    Yes, it’s absolutely ridiculous. And I have never “gotten” Garrison Keillor and the Lake Wobegone crap. Not my thing.

    Still, there was one line in the piece that rang true to me, I hate to say:

    “Monogamy put the parents in the background where they belong and we children were able to hold center stage.”

    Many of my friends and I have parents whose dating habits and love lives were center stage throughout our youths. Obviously not every partnered parent is happy or secure, maybe not even most, but having the ability to worry about your own love life and developing feelings about sex without stressing about your mom’s most recent date, or breakup, and her feelings about it all, would have been a little bit of a load off during an already confusing time. Or being able to get through a year without attending one or another wedding for your parents, step-parents, and ex-step-parents would alos have made things a lot easier.

    Which is all to say, down with Garrison Keillor and his ethnocentric, heteronormative, quietly racist patter. But, he does have a point about how complicated things can be when two or three generations are “out there” in the dating world at the same time.

  17. axesbowledaslove

    I think Keillor’s running out of steam some, but he is still pretty funny.

    The column itself had to be tongue-in-cheek. Supposing Keillor unable to recognize the irony of his own failed marriages is too much to ask. I think he is winking at us with the column.

    No, not his best effort, surely. But he is readable.

    I need to go through the archives to see if you have ever covered Paglia, Twisty.

  18. norbizness

    Keillor (on TV): [quietly] Well, sir, it has been an uneventful week in Badger Falls…where the women are robust, the men are pink-cheeked, and the children are pink-cheeked and robust. [Audience laughs loudly]

    Homer: What the hell’s so funny?

    Keillor: At the Apple Biscuit cafe, where the smiles are free, don’t you know, Sven Inqvist studied the menu, and finally he ordered the same thing he has every day. [Audience laughs and applauds]

    Bart: Maybe it’s the TV.

    Homer: Stupid TV. [Hits it] Be more funny!

  19. Pinko Punko

    Keillor is nothing- have you read the Cook’s Illustrated guy? He creeps the **** out of me, in the same way as you allude to Mr. Garrison (Keillor).

  20. FemiMom

    Ducktape for Keillor AND Paglia!
    I promise not to become a self-involved, gasbag *when* I become famous(!)

  21. JimmyDean'sFuckedUpCousinClyde

    I was horrified to see what a hypocritical fuddy-duddy Garrison has become . . .he may not only be aging, but getting old.
    The responses to the article are wonderful—most of them attack his hypocrisy and most of them argue that values go deeper than clothing or behavioral characteristics. And the blog responses are even more repudiative.
    I didn’t hear him mention love as something that—-aside from basics such as food and shelter—is the MOST important ingredient in a child’s maturation. Somehow he overlooked addressing that.

    Get the cholesterol and triglycerides checked, Garrison, and maybe do some ultrasonography to see if there is arterial restriction. Something’s not right.

  22. Antoinette Niebieszczanski

    What the hell? The whole family certainly didn’t revolve around the kids Chez Niebieszczanski. OK, so maybe we’re all warped, but at least we’re functional. And not, I might add, without the occasional spinster aunt and bachelor uncle.

    I’m glad to seek I’m not the only one in whose craw the subject essay got stuck.

  23. Catherine Martell

    norbizness: genius.

    As for Garrison Keillor: if he’s joking, it’s at a pitch I can’t hear – or can’t be bothered to, anyway. Yes, yes, gentle satire, female moms, snap-on lids; perhaps he is toying with our liberal hairtriggers. But “lovely” foreign faces? Gay men in chartreuse? Children centre stage?

    Now there’s a man who needs him some Shulamith.

  24. Clio Bluestocking

    teffie-phd, you are very correct in who remembers that sentimental past and how it is constructec. My dad (who is about a decade older than Keillor) had these Norman Rockwell-nostalgic memories of his childhood in Louisiana. Funny how he never mentions any black people in these memories, and all the women staying at home doing the cooking and cleaning and watching their “stories” just LOVE their lives. He never considers why they might be sipping martinis all day long. Also, my very own and actual spinster aunt (his sister) assures me that those days were in no way as wonderful as he remembers. My mom, who grew up in a similar white bread environment also has no love for that sort of ideal, having tried to live it out herself (in Minnesota at one point, no less!). She rebelled.

    As for me, as girly as I was as a child, and as much as I still questioned gender norms despite being so girly, I probably would have loved having a couple of those gay-stereotype fathers. That ideal that my parents tried to recreate, and from which my mother rebelled, was hell on everyone (including my dad, poor guy, who was just so disappointed that neither his wife nor daughter were the paragons of the feminity that he so desired).

  25. LMYC

    As an east coast wop, that man’s “humor” never connected with me although my midwestern roommate likes it well enough. And as one of those extroverts with a ton of introverted friends, I do like his characterization of shy people and how every conversation to them is like having a stranger try to talk to you in an elevator.

    But in general, I’m too woppy for him. I once recall him talking about how, to a midwesterner, jacuzzis were moraly suspect because they felt too good, and I was like, “Hell, my imperial ancestors INVENTED the things, pal.”

    Why is it that the most tightassed people in the universe who are convinced that everything not only hurts, but should, are the first ones who resent the crap out of queers for actualyl daring to say, “The accepted social norms suck ass, and I’m not going ot have anything to do with them.” It’s age-old envy of people who dared to break out of the mold they find suffocating. They’re up to their noses in shit, and bitterly hate those with the courage to have crawled out of the muck.

    They nail their feet to the ground and then whine about how they can’t run. Fools.

  26. Shereen

    Okay, I’m a long-time lurker, delurking with not only a completely off-topic but possibly assinine question (is that how you spell assinine?), connected to the sci fi discussion going on in weeks past. Posting it here only because I’m not sure where to post random questions that don’t actually connect to anything you’re currently saying or thinking. (On my own damn blog, you say?) Anyway. Regarding the pervasiveness of patriarchal tendencies in sci fi – have you ever read Sherri S. Tepper? And what are your thoughts?

  27. slownews

    This too disturbed me greatly. I was all going along, yeah, yeah, and then wham. His essays on the Republicans consistenly are genius, so I don’t want to throw him out with the bathwater yet. I am very much hoping he was just kidding. Or maybe, horrors, he has been Oprahized, i.e., fallen in love with his own image.

    When I was a kid, I didn’t know anyone who was gay, or even heard any gay people mentioned. I don’t think I even knew what gay was until I was in late high school, and then I still didn’t know anyone who was. Now my three year old daughter goes to school with a kid who has a mom and a mommy, and the teachers talk about his moms the same way they talk about everyone’s mom and dad. If we can raise the next generation without ignorance, maybe we will be able to avoid all the other horrible stuff that comes with it.

    As a semi-related side note, I still can’t get over Ilyka’s “conversation with my man.” The line that keeps sticking with me is “it’s not about you.” I am applying this to just about every person and situation I come across, and it keeps ringing true. I hate to divide the world, but there may be a line between those who believe “it’s not about me” and those who think “it’s all about me.”

    Certainly we’re all raised/innundated by mass media to believe it’s all about the men.

  28. Sylvanite

    I also never really got the Lake Woebegone stuff. I really hope he’s lampooning the “good old days” crap, but somehow doubt it. Yeah, Grandma and Grandpa may have stayed together, all right, but that doesn’t mean that the lives of children were somehow devoid of parent-generated drama. I guess if you live in denial about bad things in your family growing up, it might seem like the “good old days’ were peaceful and child-centered. Funny how so many people I’ve known are capable of remembering only the “good times,” or even worse, painting signs of severe family dysfunction as “funny” incidents.

    Three wives, huh?

  29. Twisty

    I’m not really too concerned with Keillor not walking the walk; ideas have merit, or not, independently of their originators’ praxis, or lack thereof.

    Cheeses, if I practiced everything I preach, I’d be living in a yurt, eating a diet of buffalo grass and wearing fig leaves.

    But when an idea stinks, it stinks.

    Did you read the part where the adorable celebrate-diversity children were “better” for having met him? Holy shit.

  30. vera

    I stopped reading Salon and let my “premium” membership lapse; just the other day, in fact. Salon finally got to me with a series of articles right around the end of the year. Here’s what I wrote to Salon:

    I do not intend to renew my membership. I’ve had it up to here (hand indicating chin level) with the high degree of sexist content in your publications. At the year’s end I opened my browser to find “So Long, Sugar Tits!” A few days later there was a large headline, “Big Breasts for Dummies,” accompanied by a photo of a mannequin with gravity-defying breasts. I began to wonder if Salon was trying for the Playboy audience.

    The straw on the camel’s back was Patrick Smith’s longing for stewardesses. What a jerk.

    So Salon has stuck again? I wonder if they’re actively trying to drive away members and readers.

  31. Bird

    As one person I know puts it, “It is better to be from a broken home than in a broken home.”

  32. LMYC

    Grandma and Grandpa stayed together, eh? In my family (and my nuclear family is quite nice and pretty well functional in most ways), one grandmother once had to defend herself against a fist with a cast-iron frying pan, and the other gawd help us all, picked up a butcher knife. Both women were your typical Italian hardass women, perfect exemplars of why (as I say) in the says of the old Roman paterfamilias, Roman women perfected the art of untraceable poison.

    The men raised their hands only once because the attitude of the women was, “I might have ot cook your damned meals, empty your disgusting spitoons, climb out of bed and serve your friends when you haul them home frmo the bar, and lie underneath you, but if you hit me, you’d better remember you have to sleep sometime.”

    I can’t even lift a cast-iron skillet. But in both cases, the men slunk away with their tails between their legs and never once lifted a hand to thsoe women again, because they knew they’d lose their fucking lives if they did it. Not to gloss over the vast numbers of women who don’t or can’t do this for one reason or another, but when people talk about how happy Grandmom and Grandpop were, I just laugh. Both of my grandmothers would have been much better off single.

    One was half of a pair of sisters, and when their mother died, their father sold thenm to a farm as workhands. They were practically babies. My grandmother drove a team of six horses at the age of ten, possibly younger. She was a hard, nasty, unsentimental old bitch, and I can understand why.

    The other was a brilliant seamstress and clothing designer who was offered a chance to design with a major New York design house. My grandfather nixed the whole thing because of course, stepping and fetching for HIM was more important — and she literally had no choice but to do as he said. In both cases, these women’s lives were permanently stunted and confined by sexism. Hell, my mom’s was. So is mine!

    But my grandmothers had no fucking “good old days.” Why is it only bitter old white patriarchs (or people who think they should have been patriarchs) who like the good old days?

  33. Bitey

    Wow. Well, if anyone’s interested, I have posted a translation of Keillor’s essay here.

  34. Miller

    Oh, I can’t stand Salon! The letters are rife with the most disturbing hate speech targeting females. Just the other day they had a story about the rape hell that female US soldiers have to live under at the hands of their own. Female soldiers even died of dehydradtion for fear of having to go to the bathroom late at night where they knew they would be gang raped. Although letters are supposedly dismissed that are even deemed “disrespectful” one letter managed to escape. The title was something to the effect “bitchez” don’t belong in war. The rest of the letter was equally “respectful,” in which the bigot wrote about how females were inherently stupid, hyper-sensitive, and weak so they deserved what they got. Oh, and the rest of the letters were along the line of mocking these female soldiers and stressing how laughable it was that these “soldiers” couldn’t even protect themselves.
    But I am surprised they would dare risk the wrath of those so-called liberals who consider homophobia vile “hate” yet enjoy the raping, torturing, and killing of women and girls as entertainment (see: pop culture, porn) that is beyond criticism, downright sacred. How did homophobia become bigotry than even white men stand against (at least pay lip service to) and sexism and misogyny are still everyone’s favorite violent hate? Even gay men love hating with the excuse that they somehow “understand.” Dolce & Gobanna ran a “rape fantasy” ad campaign, in which, they dismissed the unsophisticated concerns of Spanish and Italian women by stressing they could never hate women because they design clothes that lovingly embrace feminine curves. Worse, women defend these bigoted assholes! “Oh, my god, I just love their clothes!” I guess their clothes will look so chic when that sexy rapist is tearing it off their anorexic frames. Gay white men–WHITE MEN–are spewing this hate as “sex.” Gender: immutable characteristic. Homosexuality: not. Women and girls: the most dehumanized and demonized group of people in the world with hate crimes to match (I mean “honor” killings–honor has a more dignified ring to it than hate–which in the West we merely outsource to the public, democracy that we are, and the omnipresent reign of terror that is rape, an actual weapon of war.) Gay men still have overwhelming male privilege, a freedom that is unimaginable to just about any female, so why the hell do they get to attack so ruthlessly and casually sneer at mere “women?”

  35. Sam

    “ideas have merit, or not, independently of their originators’ praxis, or lack thereof.

    I don’t think I can board that boat bobbing in choppy cognitive dissonance waters; I like to get to a destination eventually while leaving open the possibility for new adventures on unexplored shores.

    Bah Keillor’s blowhard bigotry. Rose Nylund tells vastly more entertaining stories about Minnesota than this yobo.


  36. Twisty

    Bitey’s translation pretty much hits the nail on the head. Ha!

  37. Bird

    That Dolce and Gabbana ad made me want to both get sick in my wastebasket and punch my monitor across the room when I saw it.

    How anyone can defend such a thing by saying the clothes are pretty is beyond me. Even worse is the idea that just because someone is selling something to women, he has women’s best interests at heart. The last thing a fashion designer wants is for you to love your body and your image, because then you won’t buy his way of displaying your body and his image of what you should be.

    I did some modelling in my teens. There’s nothing woman friendly about the fashion business.

    I felt the same way when women were praising Gaultier for using a size-22 model in one of his shows. Are so many of us really that blind (and yes, that is rhetorical)?

  38. Repenting

    Ha! This entry reminds me of a recent article in my local paper (Ohio here) about how women getting married to men can change quickly and easily change their last name on a form, while men choosing to marry women must pay a fee of over a hundred dollars AND announce their intention in the paper. This same rule of extra cost and announcement of intention (and shame) applies to anyone who is not a woman marrying a man who wishes to change their last name, so obviously gay couple wishing to share a name must go through this process. If Mr. Keillor is SO concerned about those poor kids with hyphenated families, perhaps he should work on the sexist legislation that grants privelege to male family names within a heteronormative family structure that obviously works so well. You know, with the fifty percent divorce rate and the fact that statistically the majority of families are not the “traditional” nuclear model. Then we could all be “normal” and stay away from names that have too many syllables, and are hard to say.

  39. BubbasNightmare

    “THAT SAID, over the years Keillor has become so full of himself. I think the fame did him in; he loves the sound of his own voice and he’s gotten so pompous that I can’t even bear to listen to him BREATHE. I actually have to turn down the volume so I can’t hear those affected breaths he takes when he pauses. Drives me batty.”

    Mr. Keillor’s gentle humor BitGOD got me through some tough personal times; I remember tearing up while hearing the loon calls during his farewell show way back then.

    [When I found out later why he had quit (in a fit of pique toward some journalists, and to ditch his current SO to run off to Denmark with his new SO), I’dve bitten off his head and poured fuming acid down his trachea. Me? Bitter at being duped?

    [And don’t get me started on that incredibly smarmy introduction he did when years later he started Prairie Home Companion’s bizarre NYC doppelganger. (“Please forgive me. I know you’ve been seeing some other radio shows in my absence, and that’s all right.”) That still raises my blood pressure. UUUURRRRR!

    Can we talk about something less inflammatory? Twisty dressed in fig leaves, maybe?

  40. RadFemHedonist

    Homophobia is friggin hate you idiot and I have no shitting gender, don’t spew that crap out your mouth or on to paper/digital storage. The good old days were actually the even more miserable than we are now days. I’m glad my parents divorced early so I learnt to value myself and not some monogamous marriage crap.

  41. ChapstickAddict

    Ugh. My parents freaking love his show. I can’t listen to it in the car, because I might just spontaneously fall asleep. Can someone please explain to me (a former Lutheran) why there are so many jokes involving ketchup and Lutherans? Maybe I’m just not hip enough to make the connection.

  42. LMYC

    Gay white men-WHITE MEN-are spewing this hate as “sex.”

    Miller, there’s a lot of self-hating gay men out there who wish with all their hearts that they were straight and “normal” both because their lives would be easier and because they bought into the macho myth and, deep inside, think of themselves as wimpy worthless pansies, no matter how much they claim pride.

    These men view themselves as incapable of being attracted to women and view their inability as a deformity. And of course, being white guys, nothing they see as their own personal failing can possibly be their fault. It must be the women’s fault for not being sexbotty enough to get them hard! We’re just not hottt enough for them! We’re not RIGHT! It’s OUR FAULT he’s not attracted to us! Fucking goddamned bitches — they’re supposed to make me straight! I’m serious. Self-hating gay men hate the hell out of women because we’ve failed to work hard enough to make him want to fuck us, and so it’s our fault he’s a f*ggot.

    This is of course, contrasted sharply with the tendency to feminist sensibilities and sanity in your average decent and well-adjusted gay guy who resents the world for getting in his way on purpose, and sees civil ights as the issue and not his appetite for dick and corresponding lack of appetite for pussy.

    Show me a misgynist gay man, and I’ll show you a gay man who desperately wants to be straight.

  43. ashes

    As a blamer of strong Norsk heritage, I demand an apology for your implications about lutefisk.

  44. femhist

    Did you read the part where the adorable celebrate-diversity children were “better” for having met him? Holy shit.

    This part was definitely joking, as far as can tell. He was alluding to the beginning of the essay, wherein he mocks the stuff government will throw money at to tell them what’s good for kids.

    But on the whole, eeewwww. I also grew up listening to PHC at my mother’s knee, so to speak, and I don’t know if it’s gone downhill or was just always bad, but now the only reason I turn it on is to see if there’s any good live music on the show that episode. I agree that he’s gotten awfully pleased with himself, and it’s annoying. (Though I’m always glad when someone mocks Bush and the Republicans in print.)

  45. The Hedonistic Pleasureseeker

    Chapstick Addict: Don’t tell me you’ve never eaten HOT DISH?

    In Der Hinterland, with the exception of pepper(if you must), ketchup is the only authorized food flavoring that isn’t white. Didn’t you know?

  46. saltyC

    I have to stick up for the much maligned Normal Rockwell.

    Yes he came from a lily-white background, but toward the end the sincerely reached out in paintings such as “The Golden Rule” and “The problem we all live with”.
    His figures were very ordinary people, if a little more bony, and always dignified even when comical. His compostitions were extremely well thought-out and his technique was first-rate.

    Just look at his work, you’ll see the talent, Garrison Keilor can’t hold a candle.

  47. Jodie

    “Monogamy put the parents in the background where they belong and we children were able to hold center stage.”

    Hey, monogamy Oklahoma-style when I was a kid some 45 years ago consisted of my parents going dancing or bowling or just out together (without us kids), my parents going to other parents’ homes, my parents inviting other parents to our home, and in general hanging around with other adults during leisure hours at least 3-4 days every week. They had full lives. They loved us dearly. They attended our school functions. They were there when we needed them. But we’d have been spoiled rotten if we were “center stage”. That’s actually what’s wrong with a lot of kids NOW.

  48. justicewalks

    Show me a misgynist gay man, and I’ll show you a gay man who desperately wants to be straight.

    He might also be a gay man who just doesn’t appreciate that he gets associated with women.

    There are gay men who agree that women are second class citizens and should be treated accordingly. They, however, are men, and they don’t feel it should follow that their sexuality should be used as an excuse to societally degrade them to the status of women.

  49. LMYC

    JW, excellent point — veddy true.

  50. justicewalks

    Thanks, LMYC.

    But now that I think about it, I think one could extend this to all men, really. For example, black men don’t feel their skin color should be used against them to justify their lowly (womanly) status in society, either (see Malcom X and ML King, Jr.). Neither do the liberal men feel their political views ought to be used against them to justify being called homofeminine names.

    Countless strata of priviledged men. It’s depressing.

  51. justicewalks

    Oh no! My most hated misspelling! I meant “privileged.”

  52. Bird

    But none of them want the low status that being a woman brings. In their eyes, it’s better to be the lowest of men in the patriarchy than to be a woman.

  53. The Hedonistic Pleasureseeker

    I suppose if I really wanted to understand the reasons behind gay-male misogyny I’d probably seek out a couple of thoughtful gay men and, well, ASK THEM about it. Or read something a gay man wrote about it.

    Unless some of you are gay men who’d be in a position to really KNOW what’s going on in the gay male noggin, some of these theories scare me in the same way that wingnut theories about the “feminist agenda” scare me: They’re projections based on our own stuff. Not to say y’all are winguts or anything (perish!); it’s just the way I’m reacting to this conversation right now. Do any of us really know for sure what gay misogyny is about? Or are we just wondering out loud?

  54. Twisty

    Wanted: self-identified gay misogynist to explain gay misogyny?

  55. The Hedonistic Pleasureseeker

    Do we have a bulletin where we can post that ad? Serious.

  56. Twisty

    But sweetie, even assuming that there are substantive, if as yet unquantified, differences between gay and straight species of woman-hating (which I doubt), do we care why men are misogynists? Do we delude ourselves that if we can just understand what makes them tick, maybe we can get them to answer the clue phone?


  57. Silence

    ‘The good old days’? Hahahahahahaha!!!

    I really despair over the way history is taught in school. The good old days Mr. Keillor is referring to, are, in the broad scheme of human history, yesterday’s happenings.

    The cult of sentimentality that surrounds motherhood and children today is a social construct that did not exist until the nineteenth century. This is the ear that saw the rise of consumerism and the creation of the first department stores and the forerunners of modern day shopping malls. It made more ecconomic sense to encourage women to stay home with the children and buy a lot of items to keep the ecconomy thriving. There was also a trend towards religion and morals, as oppsed to the eighteenth century where people looked to science and logic to guide their lives.

    In short, before about the middle of the nineteenth century, children were generally viewed as additional laborers for the family. Children often did not eat meals with their parents, and in wealthy households, they were kept out of the sight of adults by a governess or nanny. At no point were the parents expected to put their lives on hold for the sake of their offspring, and when you consider the very high childhood mortality in those days, it would have been illogical. As it is today. Why should adults stop being people just because thy’re parents.

    Which reminds me: I say one of those ‘baby on board’ tags on a car the other day. What are those about? Does it mean that everyone else’s car is fair game, but it would be a mortal sin to so much as scratch a fender on the precious baby’s car? How about a ‘cranky old bitch on board’ sticker then. There’s a person I’ll respect.

    Sorry if this is getting off the topic a little, but people who blather on about the ‘good old days’ when they mean forty or fifty years ago always make me laugh. Mr. Keillor, tell you what. We’ll bury you in the sand for five centuries or so, and then when they dig you up you can be put on display in a museum, okay? By then the pressing a button and answering questions thing is going to be problematic, however.

  58. Pony

    ashes: Lutefisk. Cute.

  59. Miller

    I was just expressing my shock that no matter how much intolerance a man faces, whether he is Jewish, a member of an ethnic minority, or gay, it never seems to fail: they all bow to the gospel of hate that is misogyny. Obviously, many women also bow to this gospel but I keep trying to tell myself that somehow a man could empathize with women and be outraged at the system. My own personal fairy tale, I guess (I check Jackson Katz’ website for reassurance). I just can’t believe men can be so desperately irrational and proudly hateful. I sometimes stare at men and think, “How can you be so fucked up and not know it?” No matter what society throws at him (even when it is at the hands of other men), he will fiercely defend this cruel injustice and, hysterically, consider it morally outrageous (man-hating!) that one even questions such evil. So utterly depressing.
    Anyways, I stand against homophobia, but I will not allow there to be any excuses for bigotry, especially violent hate, regardless of gender, race, religion, poverty, sad childhood, or just a bad mood. None.

  60. femhist

    Bitey – I couldn’t seem to comment at your place, but I LOVED your translation. It was absolutely spot-on. Thanks for the laugh!

  61. lt

    Another day, another jem from Salon: In an article about a kid who killed his friend and buried the body, a prosecuter on the case talks of why it’s so troubling:

    “One of them, requesting anonymity, said that the case sickened him more than anything in his recent memory. “Take O.J.,” he said. “A guy shoots his wife, you know why. Here, all you have is a bunch of actions and no reason.”

  62. RadFemHedonist

    Why are you bringing up children who were also miserable to prove that Garrison Keillor is wrong? He is wrong, but that’s because nuclear families are bad for women and bad for children, the better option being liberated independence for all as individuals. What I’m saying is there’s a third way that doesn’t hurt women or children, that being to socially, politically and economically liberate both, as opposed to detailing the sucky lives people had in the eighteenth century. Also servants are exploited.

  63. Miller

    It wrote:
    “Take O.J.,” he said. “A guy shoots his wife, you know why. Here, all you have is a bunch of actions and no reason.”

    A deranged batterer shoots his ex-wife. You know why: to show all women the joys of marriage under the patriarchy ideal. Dreamy. Garrison Keillor would be proud of such a family situation: male dad, female kept (Did you know that the reason why women kill their partners is to get rid of them while men kill to keep them? Disturbing, but true.).
    On other batterer news: a man tracked down his ex-girlfriend and mother of his little boy at work (she had a restraining order), forced her into an elevator at knife point, and set off a damn bomb, killing the both of them. I bet society responds with, “She must have made his life a living hell for him to do something gutsy like that.” Yes, everyone, let’s all honor the bravery of this innocent man and feel sorry for the true victim, the terrorist, because in the end the life of a woman pales in comparison to the self-inflicted hurt feelings of a man.
    What a family!

  64. Christopher

    “Can someone please explain to me (a former Lutheran) why there are so many jokes involving ketchup and Lutherans?”

    There are JOKES in A Prairie Home companion?

    Anyway, I’m pretty sure this is some kind of joke… the whole thing is so ridiculously over the top, I mean, take this:

    “Monogamy put the parents in the background where they belong and we children were able to hold center stage. We didn’t have to contend with troubled, angry parents demanding that life be richer and more rewarding for them. We blossomed and agonized and fussed over our outfits and learned how to go on a date and order pizza and do the twist and neck in the front seat of a car back before bucket seats when you could slide close together, and we started down the path toward begetting children while Mom and Dad stood like smiling, helpless mannequins in the background.”

    Nobody truly arguing for an ideal presents the people who accept it as “smiling, helpless mannequins”. That’s not a sales technique; it’s whatever the opposite is.

    That said, as is usual with Mr. Kiellor, I have no fucking clue what he’s talking about… I guess it’s some point about how the people in power still consider themselves to be the children, and the rest of the nation people who need to step back into the shadows and act like the mannequins of old…

    Or, fuck, I dunno, he’s just babbling the way he always does.

    But seriously, I really can’t buy this as just a straightforward “Yay bigotry!” rant; it just goes too far out of its way to make the ideal it is supposedly espousing look stultifying and unrewarding.

  65. hedonistic

    Christopher, I agree: When I got home from work and figured out a way to get behind the Salon firewall I FINALLY read the Keillor article in its entirety and it seemed (to me at least) that his toungue was firmly planted in his cheeck. However, I’ve been listening to him for years and I know he does this all the time: Heavily, heavily veiled satire.

    It’s possible that the angry “Keillor of ALL people should know better” response on teh internets is being met with a WELL, DUHHHHHHH in the Keillor household. This essay was so bad, however, that we’ll never really know.

    It’s probable that Keillor has been such a NARCISSISTIC GASBAG lately that his joke has gone right over America’s head. I see this a lot: Artists becoming so full of themselves that they start to execute their work badly because it’s all about THEM. Since I’m one of those weirdos who can “see” energy I can see how this a problem of focus, pure and simple. The cure is equally simple: Quit with the narcissim already. Oh well, it’s not MY job to fix, so thirty lashes with a wet noodle for Keillor. Someone (else) needs to take him down about thirty pegs. I can’t be bothered.

  66. Silence

    RadFemHedonist: I brought up the eighteenth century because Keillor is basically saying we should go back to the ‘good old days,’ which can mean anything from the 1950’s to 50 B.C. Also, if you re-read my post, I wrote that the idea of a sentimentalized nuclear family with the children as the center of attention did not come about until the nineteenth century. And you should be careful generalizing that everyone was miserable in the eighteenth century as compared to today. The levels of happiness and misery were probably about equal, if such things can be measured.

    And I too can tell all sorts of lovely stories about the happiness of the nuclear family. In a local case, A man who was going through a divorce got hold of a gun and shot his mother-in-law and two daughters. He let his two sons live, because, as he said in paraphrase, they hadn’t inherited that poisonous femal blood from their mother because they had his healthy male genes instead. I suppose the lesson this asshat would have you take from his situation is that it’s nobler to be a person who murders his own offspring rather than a person who, I don’t know, doesn’t want to service him twenty four hours a day. And this is by no means the only such tale I could tell, only I’m not going to go on in this vein lest I we all get too depressed. I think we can all agree that marriage in general needs a serious reform before it can be healthy or safe for women. If it’s reformable at all, that is. What Keillor seems to be suggesting, from what I could gather from his mangled mass of prose, is that sometime in the past there was some golden age of happy families that we should try to re-create in today’s world. Well, I have a degree in history and I’m just not seeing it. Life in general has gotten better for women over the past hundred years and it still sucks.

    And yes, I know that there are a few exceptions that prove the rule about marriage. It’s fine that some women are happy with their husbands, but as we have been pointing out in other threads, can we really say an institution is good if it makes even a single person miserable?

  67. Jix

    Re: gay misogynists

    Check out the most recent Savage Love podcast, in which Dan calls a self-admitted gay misogynist to rip him a new one.

  68. saltyC

    Silence and RadFemHed,

    I agree with both of you,

    I am a single mom and every day I count my greatest blessing as being able to be single. I can raise my baby the way I see fit: no scolding, no bribery, no harsh language. No violent shows, no manipulation, no arguing. She’ll learn that outside of the home, inside right now is a sanctuary. And it’s not like she’s spoiled either, she shares and cares for others. She happens to be doing very well, and I think it’s because she lives in a peaceful and predictable environment.

    Plus I don’t have to eat a dick sandwich a couple times a week, and my privates are private. I love love love being single.

  69. Silence

    I am so happy for you and your daughter, SaltyC. I just know she is going to grow up to be one of the greastest patriarchy-blamers of all times. And I adore being single too. Aside from the harsh language and bribery angle, I also don’t have to suffer through those endless negotiations of ‘what do you want to do’ when in the end, neither party gets to do precisely what they want to do. The only ones who boss me around are my cats.

  70. Mar Iguana

    Looney nostalgia for non-existent good ol’ days occurs because the first step toward overcoming a shameful past is acknowledging it. Patriarchy can’t have that. So, we’re taught history that is little more than white-boy affirmation class.

    At the rate the boys lose brain cells as they age (whereas women do not), a process than begins in their forties, it’s a wonder they can think at all. On the other hand, “think” is seldom the operative word when it comes to patriarchs of any age.

  71. bigbalagan

    Always have been instinctively repulsed by the PHC. Garrison’s voice is like an unctuous feed of treacly nostalgia—the good ole days when men were men etc. Makes me think that the epithet “victorian” might be an insult to the Victorians…

  72. Jezebella

    I’ve always found Garrison Keillor to be both smug and hokey, if that’s possible. I once talked to a guy from the lower Midwest who said Keillor was smug, diva-like, and a pain in the ass when he came to do a broadcast in the theater where my informant worked. GK joked, ON THE AIR, about the being chickens running around in the theater, because, ho-ho-ho, everybody knows that people who live in small towns south of Minnesota just let the pigs and chickens run loose indoors and out. They will not be inviting him back.

    I once had to break up with a guy who was fond of Prairie Home Companion because he thought it was FUCKING HILARIOUS to turn it on whenever we were in the car on a Saturday afternoon, and keep telling me how funny it was. “No, but wait til you hear this!” I told him repeatedly that it was a stupid, irritating show, and no amount of exposure was going to change his mind. He even had old tapes of the show that he’d unearth and pop in the cassette player. Jeezus, it was like dating a deaf 70-year-old trapped in a 40-year-old’s body.

    Anyway, I think that essay was supposed to be an attempt at down-home humor, but it was just fucking offensive at every possible turn. You know, my parents, who are roughly Keillor’s age, didn’t make me the center of the bloody universe, standing back like mannequins, enabling me to think my shit doesn’t stink. They had their own lives, jobs, volunteer work, and hired babysitters when they wanted to play bridge or tennis or go to a wedding. Maybe what happens when “it’s all about the children” is you end up with smug, self-absorbed prats like Keillor.

  73. flea

    I honestly thought that essay was a joke. Not just for the stereotypes, which are so outdated not even the fundies use, but whole essay didn’t even make any sense. It was like he started off one way, then veered off in to Fictional Homoland, then swerved out of there and ended up God knows where. I mean, I write without a map myself, but jeez.

  74. LMYC

    No matter what society throws at him (even when it is at the hands of other men), he will fiercely defend this cruel injustice and, hysterically, consider it morally outrageous (man-hating!) that one even questions such evil …

    And simultaneously blaming the crap out of “dem fukkin feminists!” for not kissing and making all better, viz. listening to any clueless male bitch about how sexist the draft is.

  75. Alarming Female


    When I was a kid, I didn’t know anyone who was gay, or even heard any gay people mentioned. I don’t think I even knew what gay was until I was in late high school, and then I still didn’t know anyone who was.

    As I often tell my students in high school who say they “don’t know anyone who is gay,” of course you did–you just didn’t know they were. It’s dangerous to be out in high school in America; hell, it’s dangerous to be out well past high school, as well.

    And regarding misogyny, one of my favorite Shirley Chisholm quotes:

    Of my two handicaps, being female put many more obstacles in my path than being black.

  76. Alarming Female

    Oops–I swear I put in the html for quotations. My bad.

  77. Mar Iguana

    “Of my two handicaps, being female put many more obstacles in my path than being black.” Shirley Chisholm

    One of my favorite quotes ever, Alarming Female. It points out beautifully that sexism precedes racism. I voted for Chisholm in her run for President.

  78. Twisty

    I agree with Flea that the Keillor essay is super-badly written, which is why everyone is having such a hard time figuring out what the fuck he meant by it. Still, you can’t tell me that Garrison Keillor is so vastly out of touch with the social climate of USA 2007 that he didn’t expect to piss off millions of homos with that crap.

    The only way he’s off the hook is if the essay was produced by some kind of Prairie Home Companion Generator software, and the “author’s tone” preference got accidentally reset from “harmless avuncular gasbag” to “bigoted old fart,” and he didn’t get a chance to glance over it before it got sent off to Salon.

  79. Silence

    Or to put it another way, Mar Iguana, “If I could grow a penis, I’d be a millionaire.’ This is attributed to an unknown nurse who works at a local hospital. If I hadn’t been so sick at the time she’d said it, I’d have asked her name so she could be immortalized here.

    The racial slavery of Africans was was of the ugliest incidents in human history, and of course I’m glad we’re seeking to ammend the wrongs of the past, albeit not nearly as thoroughly as we should. But the question then arises: when exactly are women going to be recompensed for their centuries of unacknowledged labor and servitude? The answer, thus far, seems to be fuckin’ never.

  80. saltyC

    If children should be the stars of the show, how come the only thing he notices about the children he meets in the school is their color?

  81. The Hedonistic Pleasureseeker

    Salty: Someone upthread mentioned Keillor missed his own bloody point. Proof: He used the children as just one more way to make it all about him. Which is of course probably exactly what you mean, and of course this is just my own blathery way of saying “Word.”

  82. saltyC

    It’s not alwaystrue that sex trump race, often race trumps sex and we need to recognize that. Why do women of color not feel welcome by white feminists? Is it their problem? I don’t thik so.
    It’s time we shape up.

  83. The Hedonistic Pleasureseeker

    Sometimes the race/sex/class game feels like rock/paper/scizzors to me.

  84. Dale Andersen

    I’m astonished at the way this column, and Keillor’s work in general, has been received on the blogs I frequent. Is it really so hard to understand that his monologues and column aren’t always delivered in his own voice? He’s playing a part. Good god, I feel like I’m talking to a bunch of religious fundamentalists and trying to explain that Moses didn’t really part the Red Sea. You see, its a S-T-O-R-Y. Keillor’s literary persona, as opposed to his real feelings… see sometimes people will write or say things and pretend they’re someone else, these things are called L-I-T-E-R-A-T-U-R-E, and D-R-A-M-A. Anyway, his persona is that of a Midwestern E-V-E-R-Y-M-A-N, that means someone who represents a common type of personality, it’s a S-Y-M-B-O-L, if you will. Much as I love his work, I can understand that it’s not for everyone. But I’m utterly amazed that so many literate people can completely miss the point.

  85. Twisty

    Oh please. Keillor signed the essay “Garrison Keillor,” not “Persona of Midwestern E-V-E-R-Y-M-A-N.” And you can cut it out with the cap-dashes. We’re not deef, ya know.

  86. The Hedonistic Pleasureseeker

    Dale: Was that just your blathery way of saying “can’t you chicks take a joke?” Cause I’m down with that, being blathery myself, but DUDE you are so out of your league here it’s funny.

    (points and laughs)

    In case you’re the one who doesn’t get it here: Our offense at his essay points to bad execution on Keillor’s part, not lack of comprehension on our part.

  87. The Hedonistic Pleasureseeker

    Oh, having soaked in him my entire life, let me suggest (again) that Garrison Keillor is all about Garrison Keillor. That he invisions himself as some sort of “everyman” demonstrates his narcissism better than anything else he does or says ever could.

  88. Alarming Female

    Mar Iguana: I wish I could have voted for Chisholm; alas, my first vote was cast for Jimmy Carter’s second term. It’s been a losing voting record ever since, save Clinton.

    saltyC: In a recent conversation with three African American women, the issue of sex trumping race was discussed. One of the three told us that her father had warned her that her sex would be more to overcome than her race, and she agreed it had been true. Surely individual experiences are different, and white women could do more to acknowledge and address unearned white privilege, but as Chisholm acknowledged,

    I’ve always met more discrimination being a woman than being black. When I ran for the Congress, when I ran for president, I met more discrimination as a woman than for being black. Men are men.

    Men are men. Emphasis mine.

  89. saltyC

    Is there a kind of earned white privilege?

  90. anonynow

    Late to the party, but had to add a quip from one of my profs: “Dress For Success: Wear A White Penis.”

  91. Penny

    “ideas have merit, or not, independently of their originators’ praxis, or lack thereof.”

    I love IBTP. So succint. I get to chew over that for the next 24 hrs.

    Saltyc, your daughter’s a lucky one all right. And thanks for sticking up for Rockwell; I too had just assumed I would hate his stuff, until the year I actually checked it out.

  92. Dale Andersen

    Twisty: Sorry if the cap-dashes were offensive. But I don’t think that signing your name to an essay means that everything in it is to be taken literally.
    Hedonist: Maybe your criticism is limited to his execution, but you’re in the minority. Most of the contributors of critical comments seem to believe that these are the actual opinions of GK.

  93. The Hedonistic Pleasureseeker

    Dale, check what I wrote again: That people think he really feels this way IS NOT THEIR FAULT. It’s his.

    I hope Garrison Keillor is not like the comedian who, after having been booed and hissed off the stage, sulks in his dressing room and blames the audience for not getting his jokes. Hopefully he’ll take the hint and either tighten up his act or, as many of us are praying, decide to retire to the shores of Lake Superior. After all, that movie about the last broadcast of the PHC show was VERY well-received.

  94. thebewilderness

    Thanks for the critique of our critique, and an extra special thank you for talking to us as though we were kindergarteners.
    Your position that a person who signs their name to their work is not speaking for themselves is idiotic.

  95. Mandos

    At the rate the boys lose brain cells as they age (whereas women do not), a process than begins in their forties, it’s a wonder they can think at all. On the other hand, “think” is seldom the operative word when it comes to patriarchs of any age.

    I attempted to google for the evidence for this claim, and all I found were articles on the importance of estrogen in memory and certain other neural tasks, and, in particular, the fact that menopause is correlated with certain degenerative diseases. Men get Parkinson’s at twice the rate of women, but women’s rate starts to increase after menopause, and thereafter women seem to suffer from Alzheimer’s more often, especially as post-menopausal women apparently sometimes end up with less estrogen than most men at the same age.

    And I found various permutations and combinations of these sorts of stories.

    But nothing confirming this stark distinction between men and women, that women maintain brain cells whereas men start losing them fairly young, which, if it were true, would have very interesting consequences.

  96. Mar Iguana

    Things don’t look too good for the boys in the brain department:


    Ruben Gur, Ph.D., always wanted to do the kind of psychological research that when he found something new, no one could say his grandmother already knew it. Well, “My grandmother couldn’t tell you that women have a higher percentage of gray matter in their brains,” he says. Nor could she explain how that discovery resolves a long-standing puzzle.

    Gur’s discovery that females have about 15 to 20 percent more gray matter than males suddenly made sense of another major sex difference: Men, overall, have larger brains than women (their heads and bodies are larger), but the sexes score equally well on tests of intelligence.

    Gray matter, made up of the bodies of nerve cells and their connecting dendrites, is where the brain’s heavy lifting is done. The female brain is more densely packed with neurons and dendrites, providing concentrated processing power–and more thought-linking capability.

    The larger male cranium is filled with more white matter and cerebrospinal fluid. “That fluid is probably helpful,” says Gur, director of the Brain Behavior Laboratory at the University of Pennsylvania. “It cushions the brain, and men are more likely to get their heads banged about.”

    White matter, made of the long arms of neurons encased in a protective film of fat, helps distribute processing throughout the brain. It gives males superiority at spatial reasoning. White matter also carries fibers that inhibit “information spread” in the cortex. That allows a single-mindedness that spatial problems require, especially difficult ones. The harder a spatial task, Gur finds, the more circumscribed the right-sided brain activation in males, but not in females. The white matter advantage of males, he believes, suppresses activation of areas that could interfere with work.

    The white matter in women’s brains is concentrated in the corpus callosum, which links the brain’s hemispheres, and enables the right side of the brain to pitch in on language tasks. The more difficult the verbal task, the more global the neural participation required–a response that’s stronger in females.

    Women have another heady advantage–faster blood flow to the brain, which offsets the cognitive effects of aging. Men lose more brain tissue with age, especially in the left frontal cortex, the part of the brain that thinks about consequences and provides self-control.
    “You can see the tissue loss by age 45, and that may explain why midlife crisis is harder on men,” says Gur. “Men have the same impulses but they lose the ability to consider long-term consequences.” Now, there’s a fact someone’s grandmother may have figured out already.

  97. saltyC



    the fact that someone says something not literally or tongue-in-cheek, doesn’t exempt them from critique. the entiment behind the thing is still homohobic, bigotted and xenophobic.

    I’m sure you heard the rhyme eenie-meenie-miny-mo? Well here’s a clue: the word “tiger” used to start with an ‘N’ instead of a ‘T’, and the ‘i’ was long, not short. You may have no objection to children singing about catching an n-word by the toe ’til he hollers, because they’re just seeing who’s ‘out’, but for some reason, it was offensive enough to get changed. I don’t think it was ever taken “literally”.

    Get it now?

  98. Mandos

    I dunno, that article sounds very evpsych, which isn’t very popular around here, at least. Like the “men have their heads knocked around” thing. Also, it talks about brain cell loss in one part of the brain for men, but other parts of the brain experience greater damage for women than men under various circumstances. And vice versa. So I’m not really sure you can “rank” the sexes very easily on intelligence or brain function.

  99. Mar Iguana

    Oh, sure I can.

  100. Mandos


  101. Frumious B

    Garrison Keillor, Dan Savage, it gets hard to keep them straight (ha ha) with all the gay stereotypes coming out of their mouths.

  102. Mar Iguana

    saltyC Mar 17th, 2007 at 9:31 am

    “It’s not alwaystrue that sex trump race, often race trumps sex and we need to recognize that. Why do women of color not feel welcome by white feminists? Is it their problem? I don’t thik so.
    It’s time we shape up.” saltyC

    I said sexism precedes racism. Practically everything trumps sexism, especially racism. Patriarchy assures the root oppression remains obscured otherwise it falls. It takes a heap of sexism to maintain racial purity.

    I’m part arrogant, superior, white-like-gaud Austrian and half lazy, inferior, dark-like-demon Mexican. It’s kinda given me a different take on racism since I was knee-high to a bigot. I think it made it clear for me early on that until women make Woman the primary imperative, they are forever divided and conquered.

    I can value no race, religion, nationality or culture over any other because they all hate women. Therefore, I think they all suck. If WOC demand white feminists solve racism before ending sexism, the quest for the liberation of women (and everybody and everything else) is doomed.

    In what ways do white feminists make WOC feel unwelcome? I don’t know. I’m asking.

  103. wee1

    I don’t understand, why would the alien give the idiot a tasty treat?

    Lutfisk is brilliant food, much maligned by narrow minded people. No, the alien should shove his pie-hole shock-full of inferior lager, like Budweiser, and then tape not only his pie-hole but also his pee-hole. To my mind, the mere taste of that pish would be enough to make anyone repent.

  104. Rana

    Update: GK has now “apologized” – he apparently has many gay friends and had no clue that what he said might be misinterpreted outside of his little circle’s bubble.

    Dude, how hard is this: you don’t make fun of people who are being picked on, unless you are one of them. Otherwise, you are just part of the problem, and no, being “funny” or one of their “friends” doesn’t make it better.

    And when someone calls you on your shit, it’s not because they didn’t get it – it’s because you were not funny.

  105. C. Atrox

    I’ve been reading your postings for a long time, Twisty. You have a great sense of humor and a keen eye on this society. Your comments regarding Lake Woebegone reflect precisely how I feel about the show. Sometimes it can be clever but, like NPR as a whole, it plays to a certain unquestioning middle-brow acceptance of a religious and sentimental-for-something-that-never-was social order. And Garrison’s breathing drives me nuts. Keep up the consistenly thoughtful and funny natterings.

  106. Dale Andersen

    Yes, Twisty. Keep on nattering. What the blogosphere really needs is a plethora of consistently thoughtful and funny natterers. And, God willing, someday you might be one of them. Perhaps. Or perhaps not.

  107. Twisty

    Well one thing’s for sure, Dale Andersen. You already are one of them. Except for the “thoughtful” and “funny” part.

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