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		<title>By: You want romance? Try getting consent&#8230; &#171; Wallaby</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2007/04/24/why-merry-rapists-are-flocking-to-britain/#comment-120632</link>
		<dc:creator>You want romance? Try getting consent&#8230; &#171; Wallaby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 23:48:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] In some ways, that should come first, but I&#8217;m going to leave it until later. Twisty&#8217;s recent post and a couple of cases I&#8217;ve been reading lately have really got me thinking about consent, so [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] In some ways, that should come first, but I&#8217;m going to leave it until later. Twisty&#8217;s recent post and a couple of cases I&#8217;ve been reading lately have really got me thinking about consent, so [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Helena</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2007/04/24/why-merry-rapists-are-flocking-to-britain/#comment-82977</link>
		<dc:creator>Helena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2007 16:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sometimes I feel so, so alone in my feminist views. I don&#039;t talk about how I feel about things because I have no one in my life who understands. I feel as though I am the only person in the world who is angry about misogyny. 

Then I found this iste - - hooray!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes I feel so, so alone in my feminist views. I don&#8217;t talk about how I feel about things because I have no one in my life who understands. I feel as though I am the only person in the world who is angry about misogyny. </p>
<p>Then I found this iste &#8211; - hooray!</p>
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		<title>By: maribelle</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2007/04/24/why-merry-rapists-are-flocking-to-britain/#comment-82852</link>
		<dc:creator>maribelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jul 2007 17:27:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;He got off with a warning,&lt;/i&gt;

What did they warn him about, to not damage public property next time he&#039;s attempting rape?  *shudder* So sorry to hear about this, Angry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>He got off with a warning,</i></p>
<p>What did they warn him about, to not damage public property next time he&#8217;s attempting rape?  *shudder* So sorry to hear about this, Angry.</p>
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		<title>By: Mar Iguana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mar Iguana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jul 2007 00:47:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s appalling, Angry.  I&#039;m glad you at least managed to keep yourself out of that van (shudder).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s appalling, Angry.  I&#8217;m glad you at least managed to keep yourself out of that van (shudder).</p>
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		<title>By: Angry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 07:11:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The conviction rate and police attitudes are really appalling here in GB. I was chased for 15 minutes on Christmas Eve by a bloke who repeatedly tried to drag me towards a van filled with his friends, and just managed to ring 999 and hide in a phonebox that he kicked in before the police arrived. Despite the fact the bloke had repeatedly screamed &quot;I&#039;m going to fuck you, you whore&quot; at me, and his friends were clearly implicated, the police decided that rather than attempted gang rape, the bloke was only guilty of vandalism of the phonebox, and his friends were merely offering him a lift home. He got off with a warning, I was assumed to be over-reacting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The conviction rate and police attitudes are really appalling here in GB. I was chased for 15 minutes on Christmas Eve by a bloke who repeatedly tried to drag me towards a van filled with his friends, and just managed to ring 999 and hide in a phonebox that he kicked in before the police arrived. Despite the fact the bloke had repeatedly screamed &#8220;I&#8217;m going to fuck you, you whore&#8221; at me, and his friends were clearly implicated, the police decided that rather than attempted gang rape, the bloke was only guilty of vandalism of the phonebox, and his friends were merely offering him a lift home. He got off with a warning, I was assumed to be over-reacting.</p>
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		<title>By: justicewalks</title>
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		<dc:creator>justicewalks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 20:53:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;men of conscience donâ€™t want to believe that they may have been coercers, bullies and thieves (rapists) even without a conscious effort to intimidate, any more than guilty white libruls want to believe that we may have made ugly racist remarks in our time and offended or wounded friends or strangers of colour.&lt;/i&gt;

Brilliant post.  The notion that the maintenance of a person&#039;s idea of herself, that she is a person &quot;of conscience,&quot; for example, should override the suffering of the oppressed is a pervasive one.  It amazes me that people can honestly believe that their entitlement to enjoy their life fully satisfied with themselves is worth the forced silence of the exploited.  It must be nice to be able to think so highly of oneself, while being so dismissive of others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>men of conscience donâ€™t want to believe that they may have been coercers, bullies and thieves (rapists) even without a conscious effort to intimidate, any more than guilty white libruls want to believe that we may have made ugly racist remarks in our time and offended or wounded friends or strangers of colour.</i></p>
<p>Brilliant post.  The notion that the maintenance of a person&#8217;s idea of herself, that she is a person &#8220;of conscience,&#8221; for example, should override the suffering of the oppressed is a pervasive one.  It amazes me that people can honestly believe that their entitlement to enjoy their life fully satisfied with themselves is worth the forced silence of the exploited.  It must be nice to be able to think so highly of oneself, while being so dismissive of others.</p>
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		<title>By: DeAnander</title>
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		<dc:creator>DeAnander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 01:11:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I think one reason men give so much credence to the idea that many rape accusations are false is that to be so accused is literally a nightmare scenario.&lt;/i&gt;

I agree more with poster who said that if men accepted the validity of 99 pct of rape accusations they would be forced to re-examine their own sexual encounters and ask whether they had been consensual, or rape.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://stangoff.com/?p=513#comment-78960&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;ralated discussion, excerpt&lt;/a&gt;:  &lt;i&gt;the haunting question for men under patriarchy, as for any privileged class, is an uncertainty about the honesty and genuineness â€” the authenticity â€” of their sexual experiences with women. the price of power is the loss of authenticity, much as the price of microcontrol is the loss of robustness and diversity; the traditional power of men to compel women to submit, or to â€œfake it,â€ persists enough that unless the connection with a partner is very strong, very genuine, very honest, deeply trusting, the paranoia of aristocracy (does my butler really respect me, or just pretend to because I am his livelihood?) must endure.  &lt;/i&gt;

men &lt;i&gt;know&lt;/i&gt; that they enjoy unilateral sexual privileges under patriarchy, as their use of language and their physical behaviour both attest.  men with any conscience know that oppressed people shuck-n-jive -- or fake orgasms, or go along with the program out of fear -- when coerced by their oppressors, even if said oppressors do not actually wave a loaded gun.

therefore men &lt;i&gt;know&lt;/i&gt; that unless they make a serious effort -- and maybe not even then -- they may never know whether a sexual encounter was truly consensual, or whether the woman just &quot;put up with&quot; them, or humoured them, or was in fear of violence, or was reliving past trauma.  any more than a wealthy aristo knows for sure whether his valet really respects him.

men of conscience don&#039;t want to believe that they may have been coercers, bullies and thieves (rapists) even without a conscious effort to intimidate, any more than guilty white libruls want to believe that we may have made ugly racist remarks in our time and offended or wounded friends or strangers of colour.  it&#039;s a lot easier to believe that PoC are all oversensitive and excessively &quot;politically correct,&quot; and that women lie about rape (or there is &quot;miscommunication&quot;) -- anything to erase the gendered power of patriarchy...

ah, that spray can of &quot;Patriarchy-B-Gone&quot; that Librul/Lefty men carry around with them at all times!  so many times I&#039;ve gagged on its pleasant floral scent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I think one reason men give so much credence to the idea that many rape accusations are false is that to be so accused is literally a nightmare scenario.</i></p>
<p>I agree more with poster who said that if men accepted the validity of 99 pct of rape accusations they would be forced to re-examine their own sexual encounters and ask whether they had been consensual, or rape.</p>
<p><a href="http://stangoff.com/?p=513#comment-78960" rel="nofollow">ralated discussion, excerpt</a>:  <i>the haunting question for men under patriarchy, as for any privileged class, is an uncertainty about the honesty and genuineness â€” the authenticity â€” of their sexual experiences with women. the price of power is the loss of authenticity, much as the price of microcontrol is the loss of robustness and diversity; the traditional power of men to compel women to submit, or to â€œfake it,â€ persists enough that unless the connection with a partner is very strong, very genuine, very honest, deeply trusting, the paranoia of aristocracy (does my butler really respect me, or just pretend to because I am his livelihood?) must endure.  </i></p>
<p>men <i>know</i> that they enjoy unilateral sexual privileges under patriarchy, as their use of language and their physical behaviour both attest.  men with any conscience know that oppressed people shuck-n-jive &#8212; or fake orgasms, or go along with the program out of fear &#8212; when coerced by their oppressors, even if said oppressors do not actually wave a loaded gun.</p>
<p>therefore men <i>know</i> that unless they make a serious effort &#8212; and maybe not even then &#8212; they may never know whether a sexual encounter was truly consensual, or whether the woman just &#8220;put up with&#8221; them, or humoured them, or was in fear of violence, or was reliving past trauma.  any more than a wealthy aristo knows for sure whether his valet really respects him.</p>
<p>men of conscience don&#8217;t want to believe that they may have been coercers, bullies and thieves (rapists) even without a conscious effort to intimidate, any more than guilty white libruls want to believe that we may have made ugly racist remarks in our time and offended or wounded friends or strangers of colour.  it&#8217;s a lot easier to believe that PoC are all oversensitive and excessively &#8220;politically correct,&#8221; and that women lie about rape (or there is &#8220;miscommunication&#8221;) &#8212; anything to erase the gendered power of patriarchy&#8230;</p>
<p>ah, that spray can of &#8220;Patriarchy-B-Gone&#8221; that Librul/Lefty men carry around with them at all times!  so many times I&#8217;ve gagged on its pleasant floral scent.</p>
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		<title>By: Luna_the_cat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luna_the_cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 11:09:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to raise your blood pressure a wee bit more:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/1238845.stm

--I remember this case.  What didn&#039;t make it into the story:

1.  The victim in question had been very ill, and was on a combination of antibiotics, painkillers and antidepressants which, by her own and her doctor&#039;s testimony, left her unable to muster the physical energy to fight or to scream.  She was crying and begging the man to stop and leave, but she _did not scream or attempt to fight_.

2.  The man admitted that he _knew_ that she didn&#039;t want to have sex, and that he raped her.

3.  The judge dismissed the case as &quot;no case to answer&quot; (i.e. &quot;no crime was committed&quot;) because the law required the victim to scream and try to fight, and to have been forcibly physically subdued.

Shades of Biblical law...but this travesty, at least, prompted a change in the law so that all that is required for a definition of rape now is &quot;lack of consent&quot;.  It&#039;s a shame that such changes have to come about at the cost of a victim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to raise your blood pressure a wee bit more:</p>
<p><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/1238845.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/1238845.stm</a></p>
<p>&#8211;I remember this case.  What didn&#8217;t make it into the story:</p>
<p>1.  The victim in question had been very ill, and was on a combination of antibiotics, painkillers and antidepressants which, by her own and her doctor&#8217;s testimony, left her unable to muster the physical energy to fight or to scream.  She was crying and begging the man to stop and leave, but she _did not scream or attempt to fight_.</p>
<p>2.  The man admitted that he _knew_ that she didn&#8217;t want to have sex, and that he raped her.</p>
<p>3.  The judge dismissed the case as &#8220;no case to answer&#8221; (i.e. &#8220;no crime was committed&#8221;) because the law required the victim to scream and try to fight, and to have been forcibly physically subdued.</p>
<p>Shades of Biblical law&#8230;but this travesty, at least, prompted a change in the law so that all that is required for a definition of rape now is &#8220;lack of consent&#8221;.  It&#8217;s a shame that such changes have to come about at the cost of a victim.</p>
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		<title>By: Katchen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katchen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 16:21:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>don&#039;t know if anyone else has sent this one in:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6237480.stm

80% sounds painfully plausible. 

&amp; you *know* they&#039;d be reporting it differently if the victim was a 10 year old boy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>don&#8217;t know if anyone else has sent this one in:</p>
<p><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6237480.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6237480.stm</a></p>
<p>80% sounds painfully plausible. </p>
<p>&amp; you *know* they&#8217;d be reporting it differently if the victim was a 10 year old boy.</p>
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		<title>By: Wallaby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wallaby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 11:47:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;You want romance? Try getting consent......&lt;/strong&gt;

Twisty&#039;s recent post and a couple of cases I&#039;ve been reading lately have really got me thinking about consent......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>You want romance? Try getting consent&#8230;&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Twisty&#8217;s recent post and a couple of cases I&#8217;ve been reading lately have really got me thinking about consent&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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