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		<title>By: mearl</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2007/05/22/andor-random-things/#comment-64836</link>
		<dc:creator>mearl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2007 07:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>May I once again recommend Gavin de Becker&#039;s &quot;Gift of Fear?&quot; (My first choice would be revolution, but I am too much of a clutz to spearhead anything. I&#039;d be on board, however.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>May I once again recommend Gavin de Becker&#8217;s &#8220;Gift of Fear?&#8221; (My first choice would be revolution, but I am too much of a clutz to spearhead anything. I&#8217;d be on board, however.)</p>
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		<title>By: delphyne</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2007/05/22/andor-random-things/#comment-64469</link>
		<dc:creator>delphyne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 11:44:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hell Virago, I can see why you don&#039;t trust the courts.

&quot;One reason is that the idea of having an escape plan completely ignores the fact that the reason women have to have an escape plan is because the law fails so miserably to protect abused women.&quot;

There was a TV programme on here in the UK a while back which interviewed to women whose male partners attacked them and the only thing that made a difference to them finally was running away.  The police and courts did nothing to protect them even though these men were committing terrible acts of violence on them.  It was chilling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hell Virago, I can see why you don&#8217;t trust the courts.</p>
<p>&#8220;One reason is that the idea of having an escape plan completely ignores the fact that the reason women have to have an escape plan is because the law fails so miserably to protect abused women.&#8221;</p>
<p>There was a TV programme on here in the UK a while back which interviewed to women whose male partners attacked them and the only thing that made a difference to them finally was running away.  The police and courts did nothing to protect them even though these men were committing terrible acts of violence on them.  It was chilling.</p>
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		<title>By: Catherine Martell</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2007/05/22/andor-random-things/#comment-64446</link>
		<dc:creator>Catherine Martell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 06:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Virago, I agree with you completely about the ethics of the &quot;escape plan&quot;, and am horrified (though completely unsurprised) at your story. I&#039;m sure you already know that there are a lot of women out here who have gone through similar things, but I just wanted to let you know again: there are a lot of women out here who have gone through similar things. In fact, almost every woman I know has some form of stalking story. Many are milder than yours, but all of them come together to create a climate of permanent fear in which all women are forced to live. Rape, sexual assault, physical abuse, stalking and harassment are the weapons of male terrorism against women. 

Thank you for telling your story, and for analyzing it so clearly and eloquently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Virago, I agree with you completely about the ethics of the &#8220;escape plan&#8221;, and am horrified (though completely unsurprised) at your story. I&#8217;m sure you already know that there are a lot of women out here who have gone through similar things, but I just wanted to let you know again: there are a lot of women out here who have gone through similar things. In fact, almost every woman I know has some form of stalking story. Many are milder than yours, but all of them come together to create a climate of permanent fear in which all women are forced to live. Rape, sexual assault, physical abuse, stalking and harassment are the weapons of male terrorism against women. </p>
<p>Thank you for telling your story, and for analyzing it so clearly and eloquently.</p>
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		<title>By: Virago</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2007/05/22/andor-random-things/#comment-64429</link>
		<dc:creator>Virago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 04:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve heard about the expert-suggested &quot;escape plan,&quot; and my feelings about it are mixed.  One reason is that the idea of having an escape plan completely ignores the fact that the reason women have to have an escape plan is because the law fails so miserably to protect abused women. 

The escape plan also puts all the pressure on victims to completely change their lives. (Reminds me, however superficially, of the advice given to women to avoid rape: Don&#039;t dress provacatively. Don&#039;t walk alone. Etc. Only now, it&#039;s: To avoid further abuse, change your address. change your routine, etc. And if I don&#039;t do these things, do I then &quot;deserve&quot; the abuse?) There is no talk about changing the system or of effectively punishing the criminal. Again, it&#039;s women who must change their existence.

Another thing the &quot;escape plan&quot; suggests to women, I think, is that the abuse has to reach a certain level before they change the situation, before they take such drastic action as escape. By that I mean that if it&#039;s &lt;i&gt;only&lt;/i&gt; emotional or verbal abuse or if he &lt;i&gt;only&lt;/i&gt; hits you once, well, is that enough to have to, say, leave your job, friends, and family and go into hiding? Most abused women would say no, it&#039;s not enough to only be hit once. Or twice. Or three times.

In my case, I chose to stand and fight. He won and I lost, and he realized that he could win against the legal system and abuse with impunity.  Eventually he moved on from stalking and threatening me and he&#039;s found other women who won&#039;t fight him as readily. 

The system didn&#039;t just fail me personally, it also failed all the women who have and will become involved with this man.

IBTP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve heard about the expert-suggested &#8220;escape plan,&#8221; and my feelings about it are mixed.  One reason is that the idea of having an escape plan completely ignores the fact that the reason women have to have an escape plan is because the law fails so miserably to protect abused women. </p>
<p>The escape plan also puts all the pressure on victims to completely change their lives. (Reminds me, however superficially, of the advice given to women to avoid rape: Don&#8217;t dress provacatively. Don&#8217;t walk alone. Etc. Only now, it&#8217;s: To avoid further abuse, change your address. change your routine, etc. And if I don&#8217;t do these things, do I then &#8220;deserve&#8221; the abuse?) There is no talk about changing the system or of effectively punishing the criminal. Again, it&#8217;s women who must change their existence.</p>
<p>Another thing the &#8220;escape plan&#8221; suggests to women, I think, is that the abuse has to reach a certain level before they change the situation, before they take such drastic action as escape. By that I mean that if it&#8217;s <i>only</i> emotional or verbal abuse or if he <i>only</i> hits you once, well, is that enough to have to, say, leave your job, friends, and family and go into hiding? Most abused women would say no, it&#8217;s not enough to only be hit once. Or twice. Or three times.</p>
<p>In my case, I chose to stand and fight. He won and I lost, and he realized that he could win against the legal system and abuse with impunity.  Eventually he moved on from stalking and threatening me and he&#8217;s found other women who won&#8217;t fight him as readily. </p>
<p>The system didn&#8217;t just fail me personally, it also failed all the women who have and will become involved with this man.</p>
<p>IBTP.</p>
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		<title>By: lawbitch</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2007/05/22/andor-random-things/#comment-64404</link>
		<dc:creator>lawbitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 01:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Virago, I am sorry that the system failed you.  What many people do not realize is that the law enforcement and judicial system cannot protect women from domestic violence  (a/k/a dickhead abusive men).  Experts recommend an &quot;escape plan.&quot;  That means don&#039;t let your abuser find out you&#039;re leaving in advance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Virago, I am sorry that the system failed you.  What many people do not realize is that the law enforcement and judicial system cannot protect women from domestic violence  (a/k/a dickhead abusive men).  Experts recommend an &#8220;escape plan.&#8221;  That means don&#8217;t let your abuser find out you&#8217;re leaving in advance.</p>
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		<title>By: MzNicky</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2007/05/22/andor-random-things/#comment-64366</link>
		<dc:creator>MzNicky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 23:54:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Virago: As others have noted on this and other recent threads, and especially in view of your story, which I know for a fact is not an isolated case, I&#039;m totally and seriously rethinking my whole philosophical stance with regard to not only carrying a fucking gun but being trained in how to fucking use it.

Oh yes. I so Blame the Motherfucking Patriarchy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Virago: As others have noted on this and other recent threads, and especially in view of your story, which I know for a fact is not an isolated case, I&#8217;m totally and seriously rethinking my whole philosophical stance with regard to not only carrying a fucking gun but being trained in how to fucking use it.</p>
<p>Oh yes. I so Blame the Motherfucking Patriarchy.</p>
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		<title>By: Twisty</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2007/05/22/andor-random-things/#comment-64354</link>
		<dc:creator>Twisty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 23:28:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jesus, Virago. I mean, Jesus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jesus, Virago. I mean, Jesus.</p>
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		<title>By: Virago</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2007/05/22/andor-random-things/#comment-64345</link>
		<dc:creator>Virago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 23:16:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reading over that, I realize that it might not be clear why there were two courts and two judged involved: The first court appearance was necessary for the restraining order to be issued and the second court appearance was for the abuse charges that he faced for attacking me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reading over that, I realize that it might not be clear why there were two courts and two judged involved: The first court appearance was necessary for the restraining order to be issued and the second court appearance was for the abuse charges that he faced for attacking me.</p>
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		<title>By: Virago</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2007/05/22/andor-random-things/#comment-64342</link>
		<dc:creator>Virago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 23:10:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Delphyn, in the state where I live, the abuser does have to show up to court and face a judge and answer questions in order for a restraining order to be issued. My abuser did just that. 

The first time he broke the restraining order, I called the police. They did nothing. They wouldn&#039;t even get out of their car.  I called internal affairs to report the behavior of the cops and was warned (by internal affairs) that reporting the police would make the police less likely to help me if I did need help. My abuser, realizing that the police were going to do nothing, stepped up his stalking behavior and threats to me.  

Later when we went to court, the charges against my abuser were dropped because the police didn&#039;t bother to show up to the trial. The judge&#039;s hands were tied by the law. My abuser went against the police, &lt;i&gt;two&lt;/i&gt; different judges in two different courts, and walked. He won.  

So, no. I don&#039;t think that facing a court deters these guys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Delphyn, in the state where I live, the abuser does have to show up to court and face a judge and answer questions in order for a restraining order to be issued. My abuser did just that. </p>
<p>The first time he broke the restraining order, I called the police. They did nothing. They wouldn&#8217;t even get out of their car.  I called internal affairs to report the behavior of the cops and was warned (by internal affairs) that reporting the police would make the police less likely to help me if I did need help. My abuser, realizing that the police were going to do nothing, stepped up his stalking behavior and threats to me.  </p>
<p>Later when we went to court, the charges against my abuser were dropped because the police didn&#8217;t bother to show up to the trial. The judge&#8217;s hands were tied by the law. My abuser went against the police, <i>two</i> different judges in two different courts, and walked. He won.  </p>
<p>So, no. I don&#8217;t think that facing a court deters these guys.</p>
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		<title>By: lawbitch</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2007/05/22/andor-random-things/#comment-64314</link>
		<dc:creator>lawbitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 21:45:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Twisty, oh, Twisty, where are you?  You&#039;re loyal blamers are left to wallow in the randomness of this thread.  Do we need to bring the great goddess of blame an offering of tacos?

I&#039;m still stuck in bed with a virus today.  This thread is so eclectic that I can&#039;t articulate a comment that covers the discussion here.  Then again, maybe it&#039;s virus-induced delerium.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Twisty, oh, Twisty, where are you?  You&#8217;re loyal blamers are left to wallow in the randomness of this thread.  Do we need to bring the great goddess of blame an offering of tacos?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still stuck in bed with a virus today.  This thread is so eclectic that I can&#8217;t articulate a comment that covers the discussion here.  Then again, maybe it&#8217;s virus-induced delerium.</p>
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