Comments on: From the boyhood home of Gandhi http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2007/07/07/from-the-boyhood-home-of-gandhi/ Thu, 09 Feb 2012 12:39:46 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Ruth http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2007/07/07/from-the-boyhood-home-of-gandhi/#comment-81362 Ruth Sun, 15 Jul 2007 22:35:23 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2007/07/07/from-the-boyhood-home-of-gandhi/#comment-81362 "some leftover Apostle" What a wonderful phrase. I'm assuming a leftover apostle would be one without a gospel? I can't wait to use this. Thanks “some leftover Apostle”

What a wonderful phrase. I’m assuming a leftover apostle would be one without a gospel? I can’t wait to use this. Thanks

]]> By: Iris http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2007/07/07/from-the-boyhood-home-of-gandhi/#comment-81337 Iris Sun, 15 Jul 2007 18:57:44 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2007/07/07/from-the-boyhood-home-of-gandhi/#comment-81337 You know, many ancient societies worshipped the water buffalo (or other domensticated animals) as a deity, or being a deity who presided over beasts of burden. But guess what? They're slaves! You know, many ancient societies worshipped the water buffalo (or other domensticated animals) as a deity, or being a deity who presided over beasts of burden. But guess what? They’re slaves!

]]> By: Ron Sullivan http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2007/07/07/from-the-boyhood-home-of-gandhi/#comment-81317 Ron Sullivan Sun, 15 Jul 2007 17:01:44 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2007/07/07/from-the-boyhood-home-of-gandhi/#comment-81317 That "goddesses" thing and what it really means, part 13.5: Recently I had occasion to look up refs to Mount Athos, the Greek peninsula pocked with ancient monasteries that are ~so holy~ that they don't allow female, well, not only women (arguably humans, ya know)but most livestock. The legend behind this is that the Virgin Mary (arguably, and it has been, the Theotokos) was traveling in a boat with some leftover Apostle and they landed on the peninsula and she said she wanted it for her very own garden. Therefore no other women (or other female livestock) are allowed on it ever ever, just men. Which makes perfect sense, you know, in Holy World. That “goddesses” thing and what it really means, part 13.5: Recently I had occasion to look up refs to Mount Athos, the Greek peninsula pocked with ancient monasteries that are ~so holy~ that they don’t allow female, well, not only women (arguably humans, ya know)but most livestock. The legend behind this is that the Virgin Mary (arguably, and it has been, the Theotokos) was traveling in a boat with some leftover Apostle and they landed on the peninsula and she said she wanted it for her very own garden. Therefore no other women (or other female livestock) are allowed on it ever ever, just men.

Which makes perfect sense, you know, in Holy World.

]]> By: Blandina http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2007/07/07/from-the-boyhood-home-of-gandhi/#comment-81316 Blandina Sun, 15 Jul 2007 16:45:04 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2007/07/07/from-the-boyhood-home-of-gandhi/#comment-81316 Rana, yes! I would add that there is a third non-human construct for women, that of the powerful ( ie. not passive), treacherous, fearsome, man-eating (I loves me some dufus on toast) witch/beast. These non-human, supernatural beings are to be respected and then killed. I think you’re right that it is central to the workings of the patriarchy that both men and women are to believe that women are not human. If we cannot meet the standards of a goddess (ha), we are de facto a subhuman commodity and justifiably treated as such. If we are not passive, we are evil witches with supernatural powers that must be obliterated. In no case are we human. Rana, yes!

I would add that there is a third non-human construct for women, that of the powerful ( ie. not passive), treacherous, fearsome, man-eating (I loves me some dufus on toast) witch/beast. These non-human, supernatural beings are to be respected and then killed.

I think you’re right that it is central to the workings of the patriarchy that both men and women are to believe that women are not human. If we cannot meet the standards of a goddess (ha), we are de facto a subhuman commodity and justifiably treated as such. If we are not passive, we are evil witches with supernatural powers that must be obliterated. In no case are we human.

]]> By: sadhaka http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2007/07/07/from-the-boyhood-home-of-gandhi/#comment-81314 sadhaka Sun, 15 Jul 2007 15:21:22 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2007/07/07/from-the-boyhood-home-of-gandhi/#comment-81314 Dear All, This has been quite a thought-provoking thread, with so much to contemplate and inspire towards better change and continued awareness, prevention, and determination- indeed! Here is some alternating opinions/voices, support and views, (from the SAVE INDIAN SOCIETY FOUNDATION); even someone stating that Ms Chauhan's husband, Pratap is alleging his wife as "an alcoholic" who "indulged in flesh trade"... how convenient! http://mynation.wordpress.com (recent comments on right). The beat goes on.... Dear All,

This has been quite a thought-provoking thread, with so much to contemplate and inspire towards better change and continued awareness, prevention, and determination- indeed!

Here is some alternating opinions/voices, support and views, (from the SAVE INDIAN SOCIETY FOUNDATION); even someone stating that Ms Chauhan’s husband, Pratap is alleging his wife as “an alcoholic” who “indulged in flesh trade”… how convenient! http://mynation.wordpress.com (recent comments on right).

The beat goes on….

]]> By: tinfoil hattie http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2007/07/07/from-the-boyhood-home-of-gandhi/#comment-81313 tinfoil hattie Sun, 15 Jul 2007 14:56:37 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2007/07/07/from-the-boyhood-home-of-gandhi/#comment-81313 "Women are goddesses" also precludes any woman doing anything that is not goddess-like, i.e., perfect. No looking frumpy. No yelling at kids. No having an opinion. No yelling at assholes on the street. No expressing anger (except for Kali, but I don't think she's who the p. has in mind when they compare us to "goddesses"). No enjoying sex. No being gay! No stepping into our own power. No nuthin', except what the p. imagines a goddess should be, and that is usually akin to sainthood. “Women are goddesses” also precludes any woman doing anything that is not goddess-like, i.e., perfect. No looking frumpy. No yelling at kids. No having an opinion. No yelling at assholes on the street. No expressing anger (except for Kali, but I don’t think she’s who the p. has in mind when they compare us to “goddesses”). No enjoying sex. No being gay! No stepping into our own power. No nuthin’, except what the p. imagines a goddess should be, and that is usually akin to sainthood.

]]> By: Rana http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2007/07/07/from-the-boyhood-home-of-gandhi/#comment-81267 Rana Sun, 15 Jul 2007 04:59:22 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2007/07/07/from-the-boyhood-home-of-gandhi/#comment-81267 Maybe Twisty's still out at the ranch? I'm not going to get into the culture debate here, because it seems like it's being handled already. I just wanted to comment on the whole "women are goddesses" thing: it seems to me that the problem with it is that it's the inversion of the women are whores/bitches/sluts... etc. construction. What the two things have in common is this: in both the positive version and in the negative version, women are seen as something other than human. Treating women as if they are not human beings, and getting both men and women to believe that they are not, is, in my opinion, one of the core strategies of the patriarchy. Maybe Twisty’s still out at the ranch?

I’m not going to get into the culture debate here, because it seems like it’s being handled already.

I just wanted to comment on the whole “women are goddesses” thing: it seems to me that the problem with it is that it’s the inversion of the women are whores/bitches/sluts… etc. construction. What the two things have in common is this: in both the positive version and in the negative version, women are seen as something other than human.

Treating women as if they are not human beings, and getting both men and women to believe that they are not, is, in my opinion, one of the core strategies of the patriarchy.

]]> By: stekatz http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2007/07/07/from-the-boyhood-home-of-gandhi/#comment-81250 stekatz Sat, 14 Jul 2007 23:21:26 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2007/07/07/from-the-boyhood-home-of-gandhi/#comment-81250 Oh, and bewilderness - spot on. Oh, and bewilderness – spot on.

]]> By: stekatz http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2007/07/07/from-the-boyhood-home-of-gandhi/#comment-81249 stekatz Sat, 14 Jul 2007 23:20:53 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2007/07/07/from-the-boyhood-home-of-gandhi/#comment-81249 I'm hoping that she's just so busy keeping track of contractors and photographing interesting bugs at the Faster Ranchero that she's just not had the time. But the young onions do worry. I’m hoping that she’s just so busy keeping track of contractors and photographing interesting bugs at the Faster Ranchero that she’s just not had the time.

But the young onions do worry.

]]> By: Daisy http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2007/07/07/from-the-boyhood-home-of-gandhi/#comment-81243 Daisy Sat, 14 Jul 2007 21:06:28 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2007/07/07/from-the-boyhood-home-of-gandhi/#comment-81243 Yes, come back Twisty and bring your bugs with you! Hope all is well. Yes, come back Twisty and bring your bugs with you! Hope all is well.

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