Comments on: Are you a fake feminist? http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2007/08/12/are-you-a-fake-feminist/ Thu, 04 Dec 2008 19:58:16 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.1 By: Lara http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2007/08/12/are-you-a-fake-feminist/#comment-84863 Lara Wed, 15 Aug 2007 05:39:12 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2007/08/12/are-you-a-fake-feminist/#comment-84863 I am so ashamed I took that quiz and even though I found some of the questions fishy, I didn't catch on to a lot of the things Twisty did. Thankyou Twisty, for giving me a powerful reality check yet again... I am so ashamed I took that quiz and even though I found some of the questions fishy, I didn’t catch on to a lot of the things Twisty did. Thankyou Twisty, for giving me a powerful reality check yet again…

]]> By: SneakySis http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2007/08/12/are-you-a-fake-feminist/#comment-84814 SneakySis Tue, 14 Aug 2007 19:50:24 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2007/08/12/are-you-a-fake-feminist/#comment-84814 Twisty's on the right track with this hidden assumption angle. I refused to take this quiz on the grounds that the questions are loaded. One quibble though: a more charitable reading could produce a quiz that is somewhat more conducive to actually checking whether a person professes policies also advocated (often) by feminists (or, "feminists"). For instance (@slythwolf), the "women should..." language might be read to say "in an ideal world women exercise their right to..." or "it ought to be the case that..."; e.g. "In an ideal world whoever does the asking out pays for dinner, since you have said you'll be buying dinner for two at a restaurant at time X and would the askee please be that second person." But maybe the quiz authors' (nonexistent) intended audience wouldn't find such questions simpleminded enough? Twisty’s on the right track with this hidden assumption angle. I refused to take this quiz on the grounds that the questions are loaded.

One quibble though: a more charitable reading could produce a quiz that is somewhat more conducive to actually checking whether a person professes policies also advocated (often) by feminists (or, “feminists”). For instance (@slythwolf), the “women should…” language might be read to say “in an ideal world women exercise their right to…” or “it ought to be the case that…”; e.g. “In an ideal world whoever does the asking out pays for dinner, since you have said you’ll be buying dinner for two at a restaurant at time X and would the askee please be that second person.”

But maybe the quiz authors’ (nonexistent) intended audience wouldn’t find such questions simpleminded enough?

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]]> By: Kyso K http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2007/08/12/are-you-a-fake-feminist/#comment-84726 Kyso K Tue, 14 Aug 2007 01:59:37 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2007/08/12/are-you-a-fake-feminist/#comment-84726 <i>I’m still a bit dazed and confused by What Type of Passionate Woman are You. By the time I got to the grad-school question, I needed a drink.</i> What? You mean I can't just go to grad school for Italian (Italian what, might I ask) or sculpture because I'm a zany, devil-may-care kind of girl? What do you mean, application? I've been to an sculpture thesis defense and you would not catch my bachelor of science ass anywhere near an art grad program, they seem pretty intense. My passion was pink, by the way. A smeary, semi-conscious lipstick pink that looks for all the world like it painted its lips to look like a vulva, and succeeded so well that it had to masturbate them right there. Do the people that do these quizzes ever look back and reflect about their picture choice? Because, damn. I’m still a bit dazed and confused by What Type of Passionate Woman are You. By the time I got to the grad-school question, I needed a drink.

What? You mean I can’t just go to grad school for Italian (Italian what, might I ask) or sculpture because I’m a zany, devil-may-care kind of girl? What do you mean, application? I’ve been to an sculpture thesis defense and you would not catch my bachelor of science ass anywhere near an art grad program, they seem pretty intense.

My passion was pink, by the way. A smeary, semi-conscious lipstick pink that looks for all the world like it painted its lips to look like a vulva, and succeeded so well that it had to masturbate them right there. Do the people that do these quizzes ever look back and reflect about their picture choice? Because, damn.

]]> By: Lindsay Beyerstein http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2007/08/12/are-you-a-fake-feminist/#comment-84697 Lindsay Beyerstein Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:25:08 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2007/08/12/are-you-a-fake-feminist/#comment-84697 Point taken that the quiz is written from the perspective of someone who thinks feminism is about the right of women to be like men as they exist today in some parts of our sexist society. In one sense that's degrading and reactionary. Why should the (white?) (straight?) (college educated?) male role in a patriarchal society be held up as the model that all free people should aspire to? OTOH, the sexist society defines men as the only fully-realized humans. So, to some extent, becoming a fully-realized human must involve accepting some male prerogatives and privileges. Obviously, there's a further question of how women should <i>act</i> on these privileges. Point taken that the quiz is written from the perspective of someone who thinks feminism is about the right of women to be like men as they exist today in some parts of our sexist society. In one sense that’s degrading and reactionary. Why should the (white?) (straight?) (college educated?) male role in a patriarchal society be held up as the model that all free people should aspire to?

OTOH, the sexist society defines men as the only fully-realized humans. So, to some extent, becoming a fully-realized human must involve accepting some male prerogatives and privileges. Obviously, there’s a further question of how women should act on these privileges.

]]> By: Anastasia B. http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2007/08/12/are-you-a-fake-feminist/#comment-84695 Anastasia B. Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:13:50 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2007/08/12/are-you-a-fake-feminist/#comment-84695 "The problem with being raised in a patriarchal culture is how hard some patriarchy can be to see." Genevieve: precisely. “The problem with being raised in a patriarchal culture is how hard some patriarchy can be to see.”
Genevieve: precisely.

]]> By: Keez-R http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2007/08/12/are-you-a-fake-feminist/#comment-84694 Keez-R Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:00:23 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2007/08/12/are-you-a-fake-feminist/#comment-84694 I'm a 50% feminist according to the crap questions of that quiz. In other exciting news, the kind of Passionate Woman I am is 'purple'. Huh? I find that assessment particularly odd since I've been described frequently as dispassionate, but never once as purple. I'm 65% masculine because I find celebrity gossip a bore childcare and shopping tedious, and rarely cry. Those quizzes are so super duper sophisticated! They really have me mapped out. I’m a 50% feminist according to the crap questions of that quiz.

In other exciting news, the kind of Passionate Woman I am is ‘purple’. Huh? I find that assessment particularly odd since I’ve been described frequently as dispassionate, but never once as purple.

I’m 65% masculine because I find celebrity gossip a bore childcare and shopping tedious, and rarely cry.

Those quizzes are so super duper sophisticated! They really have me mapped out.

]]> By: slythwolf http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2007/08/12/are-you-a-fake-feminist/#comment-84633 slythwolf Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:55:17 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2007/08/12/are-you-a-fake-feminist/#comment-84633 Interestingly the author if the "are you scary" quiz seems to believe that men are afraid of both women who want to "tie them down" by acting jealous and possessive AND women who want to seem available to other men by flirting with them in front of their boyfriend or whatever. So, basically, men get to do/fuck whatever they want, but women have to pick one man and stick to him. IBTP. Interestingly the author if the “are you scary” quiz seems to believe that men are afraid of both women who want to “tie them down” by acting jealous and possessive AND women who want to seem available to other men by flirting with them in front of their boyfriend or whatever.

So, basically, men get to do/fuck whatever they want, but women have to pick one man and stick to him. IBTP.

]]> By: slythwolf http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2007/08/12/are-you-a-fake-feminist/#comment-84632 slythwolf Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:50:51 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2007/08/12/are-you-a-fake-feminist/#comment-84632 How ridiculous that anyone could think feminism is about what <i>women</i> should do differently. How ridiculous that anyone could think feminism is about what women should do differently.

]]> By: Zee http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2007/08/12/are-you-a-fake-feminist/#comment-84628 Zee Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:33:49 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2007/08/12/are-you-a-fake-feminist/#comment-84628 Rats. It's on my blog. Shortly to be removed now I have been shown the error of my ways. In my defence, I am a self-confessed novice blamer and learning all the time. I got 100% too. Now I'm really depressed. Thank you Twisty, for punching another air-hole into the suffocating tupperware coffin of patriarchy that we live in. Rats.
It’s on my blog. Shortly to be removed now I have been shown the error of my ways.
In my defence, I am a self-confessed novice blamer and learning all the time.

I got 100% too. Now I’m really depressed.

Thank you Twisty, for punching another air-hole into the suffocating tupperware coffin of patriarchy that we live in.

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