Comments on: The continuing exploits of Britain’s merry rapists http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2007/08/31/the-continuing-exploits-of-britains-merry-rapists/ Fri, 10 Oct 2008 23:43:06 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.1 By: Mélissa http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2007/08/31/the-continuing-exploits-of-britains-merry-rapists/#comment-90615 Mélissa Sat, 13 Oct 2007 00:27:44 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2007/08/31/the-continuing-exploits-of-britains-merry-rapists/#comment-90615 It's ontarian. Like franco-ontarian (francophones out of Québec? Who knew? I must spread the knowledge)... It’s ontarian. Like franco-ontarian (francophones out of Québec? Who knew? I must spread the knowledge)…

]]> By: po-mo sucks http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2007/08/31/the-continuing-exploits-of-britains-merry-rapists/#comment-88567 po-mo sucks Wed, 19 Sep 2007 05:51:50 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2007/08/31/the-continuing-exploits-of-britains-merry-rapists/#comment-88567 As an experiment, what say we hand these dumb ass judges a case where the women's and men's names are switched around so the crime report reads, "Jane got loaded on Wild Turkey, roamed around leering at boys in malls and eventualy rounded up Dick (no pun intended) in a dark alley and sexually assaulted and raped him..." Call me crazy but I think the old boys might bring back the guillotine to properly punish that one! IBTP!!! As an experiment, what say we hand these dumb ass judges a case where the women’s and men’s names are switched around so the crime report reads, “Jane got loaded on Wild Turkey, roamed around leering at boys in malls and eventualy rounded up Dick (no pun intended) in a dark alley and sexually assaulted and raped him…”

Call me crazy but I think the old boys might bring back the guillotine to properly punish that one!

IBTP!!!

]]> By: Vendela Engblom http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2007/08/31/the-continuing-exploits-of-britains-merry-rapists/#comment-88488 Vendela Engblom Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:31:37 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2007/08/31/the-continuing-exploits-of-britains-merry-rapists/#comment-88488 If I had an English-language article about this, I would add it to the comment: a Swedish man has been accused of rape twice and acquitted twice, because there was not enough evidence of a crime being committed. At first hearing, it sounds like the girls were lying, but in the first case, he and a friend were acquitted because the girl in question had agreed to violent sex before (not with these two men, mind you) and therefore any damage sustained in this act could be waved away because the two men could not have known she didn't want to. In the second case, the girl's memories of the night were too unclear. The acquittal caused considerable outrage among the general public, which prompted an article by four prominent DAs in Stockholm that said, "The public cannot understand how difficult it is to prosecute a rape case. Most often a rape is reported because a woman wakes up in the wrong bed and cannot remember how she got there." Yes, it makes me feel so safe. A victim's sexual history is more important than that of her attacker; the people who are supposed to investigate the crime lament the lack of clear evidence. If I had an English-language article about this, I would add it to the comment: a Swedish man has been accused of rape twice and acquitted twice, because there was not enough evidence of a crime being committed. At first hearing, it sounds like the girls were lying, but in the first case, he and a friend were acquitted because the girl in question had agreed to violent sex before (not with these two men, mind you) and therefore any damage sustained in this act could be waved away because the two men could not have known she didn’t want to. In the second case, the girl’s memories of the night were too unclear. The acquittal caused considerable outrage among the general public, which prompted an article by four prominent DAs in Stockholm that said, “The public cannot understand how difficult it is to prosecute a rape case. Most often a rape is reported because a woman wakes up in the wrong bed and cannot remember how she got there.” Yes, it makes me feel so safe. A victim’s sexual history is more important than that of her attacker; the people who are supposed to investigate the crime lament the lack of clear evidence.

]]> By: April http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2007/08/31/the-continuing-exploits-of-britains-merry-rapists/#comment-88296 April Sat, 15 Sep 2007 16:03:15 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2007/08/31/the-continuing-exploits-of-britains-merry-rapists/#comment-88296 God I love that trailer full of crepes! :) God I love that trailer full of crepes!

:)

]]> By: octopod http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2007/08/31/the-continuing-exploits-of-britains-merry-rapists/#comment-88208 octopod Fri, 14 Sep 2007 18:06:11 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2007/08/31/the-continuing-exploits-of-britains-merry-rapists/#comment-88208 Haydin: seconded. That, and he PUT ON A CONDOM. This is definitely not reasonable. I've also slept with a guy who did the sleep-sex thing and he would definitely not ever have had the presence of mind to put on a condom. Luckily I'm a light sleeper, plus he warned me beforehand the first time I spent the night with him. This guy with the court case is totally full of shit. I assume, though, that you mean "take" your underwear off, not "talk" them off? 'Cause I sure can't imagine anyone who could do the latter in their sleep! Haydin: seconded. That, and he PUT ON A CONDOM. This is definitely not reasonable. I’ve also slept with a guy who did the sleep-sex thing and he would definitely not ever have had the presence of mind to put on a condom. Luckily I’m a light sleeper, plus he warned me beforehand the first time I spent the night with him. This guy with the court case is totally full of shit.
I assume, though, that you mean “take” your underwear off, not “talk” them off? ‘Cause I sure can’t imagine anyone who could do the latter in their sleep!

]]> By: Haydin http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2007/08/31/the-continuing-exploits-of-britains-merry-rapists/#comment-87327 Haydin Wed, 05 Sep 2007 02:07:28 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2007/08/31/the-continuing-exploits-of-britains-merry-rapists/#comment-87327 Twisty said: "“He has no recollection and no control so he can’t be responsible.” But look here. Whether or not these assholes are or aren’t “suffering” from a “disorder” is completely irrelevant. From the point of view of the victim, a rape has occurred, with all the usual collateral damage, regardless of the degree of conscious malfeasance on the part of the perp. She couldn’t care less about the attacker’s “intent.” But of course it makes no nevermind to law enforcement that an actual crime has been experienced by an actual victim, as long as that victim is female, and the crime is rape." Wait a minute, let's say I sleepwalk to my car, get in, drive, and run somebody over, and hurt them, all in my sleep. If I am correct in my interpretation of the law, then my insurance company would be held accountable for all the damages done to that person, but I would not be locked up. How is this case different? My boyfriend sometimes tries to have sex with me in his sleep. The first time it happened shortly after we started seeing each other; I woke up to find him trying to talk my underwear off and mount me, very clumsily, in his sleep. It took me a long to trust him again after that, but eventually I realized that he didn't mean it, so I can't hold it against him. My main problem with this court case is that I don't believe the guy when he says that he did this because of a sleepwalking problem. I mean, if you saw my boyfriend try to have sex with me in his sleep you'd realize that he is horribly clumsy, very slow, and very easy to wake up. All you have to do is to say loudly "Stop" and they stop. How was this guy able to 1. take off his clothes, 2. take off her clothes, and 3. mount her while asleep? That takes a lot of coordination. Twisty said:
““He has no recollection and no control so he can’t be responsible.” But look here. Whether or not these assholes are or aren’t “suffering” from a “disorder” is completely irrelevant. From the point of view of the victim, a rape has occurred, with all the usual collateral damage, regardless of the degree of conscious malfeasance on the part of the perp. She couldn’t care less about the attacker’s “intent.” But of course it makes no nevermind to law enforcement that an actual crime has been experienced by an actual victim, as long as that victim is female, and the crime is rape.”

Wait a minute, let’s say I sleepwalk to my car, get in, drive, and run somebody over, and hurt them, all in my sleep. If I am correct in my interpretation of the law, then my insurance company would be held accountable for all the damages done to that person, but I would not be locked up. How is this case different?

My boyfriend sometimes tries to have sex with me in his sleep. The first time it happened shortly after we started seeing each other; I woke up to find him trying to talk my underwear off and mount me, very clumsily, in his sleep. It took me a long to trust him again after that, but eventually I realized that he didn’t mean it, so I can’t hold it against him.

My main problem with this court case is that I don’t believe the guy when he says that he did this because of a sleepwalking problem. I mean, if you saw my boyfriend try to have sex with me in his sleep you’d realize that he is horribly clumsy, very slow, and very easy to wake up. All you have to do is to say loudly “Stop” and they stop. How was this guy able to 1. take off his clothes, 2. take off her clothes, and 3. mount her while asleep? That takes a lot of coordination.

]]> By: Zora http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2007/08/31/the-continuing-exploits-of-britains-merry-rapists/#comment-87291 Zora Tue, 04 Sep 2007 18:06:44 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2007/08/31/the-continuing-exploits-of-britains-merry-rapists/#comment-87291 I was just reading an article [local Austin news] on that Colton Pitonyak character who shot his friend (female) in a drunken stupor, and claims he was blacked out and doesn't remember it. I suppose by this logic he should withdraw that guilty plea and submit "murdersomnia" as his defense. Oh wait, that's essentially what he did! She had been drinking with him and everything, just asking for it. Why isn't he free to roam the streets along with those afflicted with sexsomnia? I was just reading an article [local Austin news] on that Colton Pitonyak character who shot his friend (female) in a drunken stupor, and claims he was blacked out and doesn’t remember it. I suppose by this logic he should withdraw that guilty plea and submit “murdersomnia” as his defense. Oh wait, that’s essentially what he did!

She had been drinking with him and everything, just asking for it. Why isn’t he free to roam the streets along with those afflicted with sexsomnia?

]]> By: Orange http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2007/08/31/the-continuing-exploits-of-britains-merry-rapists/#comment-87145 Orange Mon, 03 Sep 2007 17:41:05 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2007/08/31/the-continuing-exploits-of-britains-merry-rapists/#comment-87145 I've done a fair amount of editing in the area of sleep medicine. The chapters on parasomnias, which include sleepwalking, talking in your sleep, clearing out the fridge in your sleep--they don't tend to delve into sexsomnia, which thus far lacks a lot of solid medical support. My impression of sexsomnia, though, was that it might entail a person appearing to be awake and masturbating compulsively in the middle of the night--not quite the same as getting up, finding someone else, and forcibly raping her. Won't someone wake up the jurors and judges of the UK? They seem awfully gullible and prone to buying patriarcal bullshit. I’ve done a fair amount of editing in the area of sleep medicine. The chapters on parasomnias, which include sleepwalking, talking in your sleep, clearing out the fridge in your sleep–they don’t tend to delve into sexsomnia, which thus far lacks a lot of solid medical support.

My impression of sexsomnia, though, was that it might entail a person appearing to be awake and masturbating compulsively in the middle of the night–not quite the same as getting up, finding someone else, and forcibly raping her.

Won’t someone wake up the jurors and judges of the UK? They seem awfully gullible and prone to buying patriarcal bullshit.

]]> By: M http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2007/08/31/the-continuing-exploits-of-britains-merry-rapists/#comment-87114 M Mon, 03 Sep 2007 10:35:06 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2007/08/31/the-continuing-exploits-of-britains-merry-rapists/#comment-87114 Well, of course it's bullshit. However, it's surprising that the excuse is that of a 'disease' and not just a one-off incident of insanity. I suppose it makes sense if the shitbag wants to explain more than one rape, but it does leave the door open to locking them away indefinitely. In short, I'm with those who have said that using 'sexsomnia' as a defence obviously ought to result in the perpetrator being immediately locked up in an institution equipped to deal with such individuals until it can be proven that they're no longer a threat to society. Since 'sexsomnia' appears to be a condition that unfortunately isn't well described in the relevant literature (I *do* wonder why that is), I'm afraid the process of treating, curing and subsequently releasing these 'sexsomniacs' ought to be somewhat slow. As a matter of fact, it is difficult to imagine how the a 'disease' that has such sporadic (and well-timed) outbreaks i.e. conveniently occurs only when there's nobody around except, of course, a potential victim, could ever be considered 'safe'. Throw away the key seems like the best solution. I won't be holding my breath, however... Well, of course it’s bullshit. However, it’s surprising that the excuse is that of a ‘disease’ and not just a one-off incident of insanity. I suppose it makes sense if the shitbag wants to explain more than one rape, but it does leave the door open to locking them away indefinitely.

In short, I’m with those who have said that using ’sexsomnia’ as a defence obviously ought to result in the perpetrator being immediately locked up in an institution equipped to deal with such individuals until it can be proven that they’re no longer a threat to society. Since ’sexsomnia’ appears to be a condition that unfortunately isn’t well described in the relevant literature (I *do* wonder why that is), I’m afraid the process of treating, curing and subsequently releasing these ’sexsomniacs’ ought to be somewhat slow. As a matter of fact, it is difficult to imagine how the a ‘disease’ that has such sporadic (and well-timed) outbreaks i.e. conveniently occurs only when there’s nobody around except, of course, a potential victim, could ever be considered ’safe’. Throw away the key seems like the best solution.

I won’t be holding my breath, however…

]]> By: slythwolf http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2007/08/31/the-continuing-exploits-of-britains-merry-rapists/#comment-87088 slythwolf Mon, 03 Sep 2007 03:14:21 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2007/08/31/the-continuing-exploits-of-britains-merry-rapists/#comment-87088 The whole concept of "I didn't mean to do it, I was drunk" has never held any water with me. Listen, asshole: If you can't walk straight because you're drunk and you accidentally fall over and knock into someone, injuring them, then you didn't mean to do it because you were drunk. If you get drunk and choose to rape a woman you fucking meant to do it. Unless you can claim that you tripped and fell on top of her and your dick accidentally fell into her vagina--which is pretty much physically impossible--you don't even get a "nice try". The whole concept of “I didn’t mean to do it, I was drunk” has never held any water with me. Listen, asshole: If you can’t walk straight because you’re drunk and you accidentally fall over and knock into someone, injuring them, then you didn’t mean to do it because you were drunk. If you get drunk and choose to rape a woman you fucking meant to do it. Unless you can claim that you tripped and fell on top of her and your dick accidentally fell into her vagina–which is pretty much physically impossible–you don’t even get a “nice try”.

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