Comments on: School to gay activist students: oppressing homos is an “issue of taste” http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/02/20/an-issue-of-taste/ Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:59:32 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.1 By: Sara http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/02/20/an-issue-of-taste/#comment-112723 Sara Thu, 03 Apr 2008 02:49:07 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/02/20/an-issue-of-taste/#comment-112723 That's not that surprising... Kniepkamp is a complete prick. The students have almost succeeded in getting a Gay-Straight Alliance at the school,which a former teacher of mine will be sponsoring if students show enough interest. At least some progress was made... and hopefully someone will sack Kniepkamp soon. That’s not that surprising… Kniepkamp is a complete prick. The students have almost succeeded in getting a Gay-Straight Alliance at the school,which a former teacher of mine will be sponsoring if students show enough interest. At least some progress was made… and hopefully someone will sack Kniepkamp soon.

]]> By: gogol http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/02/20/an-issue-of-taste/#comment-106754 gogol Tue, 26 Feb 2008 13:26:54 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/02/20/an-issue-of-taste/#comment-106754 Since when is a peck on the cheek less tasteful than hatred and intolerance? Since when is a peck on the cheek less tasteful than hatred and intolerance?

]]> By: Lara http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/02/20/an-issue-of-taste/#comment-106662 Lara Mon, 25 Feb 2008 23:08:30 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/02/20/an-issue-of-taste/#comment-106662 You know when I spoke out against sexist photography on a website I used to use I was told by several photographers that the photographs are ok because it's "a matter of taste." Right.... Try to gloss over systematic heteronormative and misogynist oppression by claiming it's all a matter of personal choice and style. You know when I spoke out against sexist photography on a website I used to use I was told by several photographers that the photographs are ok because it’s “a matter of taste.” Right….
Try to gloss over systematic heteronormative and misogynist oppression by claiming it’s all a matter of personal choice and style.

]]> By: wendy http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/02/20/an-issue-of-taste/#comment-106555 wendy Mon, 25 Feb 2008 06:25:34 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/02/20/an-issue-of-taste/#comment-106555 i would like to point out to an earlier commenter that Belleville is actually in Illinois, not in Missouri. St. Louis is in Missouri. Therefore, while her criticism of St. Louis may be quite accurate, it has nothing to do with a conversation about Belleville, IL. i would like to point out to an earlier commenter that Belleville is actually in Illinois, not in Missouri. St. Louis is in Missouri. Therefore, while her criticism of St. Louis may be quite accurate, it has nothing to do with a conversation about Belleville, IL.

]]> By: Q http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/02/20/an-issue-of-taste/#comment-106134 Q Sat, 23 Feb 2008 01:21:07 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/02/20/an-issue-of-taste/#comment-106134 Thanks for the clarification, Twisty. It figures; I finally de-lurk into the conversational mix after years of silent, young onion agreement, only to misunderstand the subject at hand. Note to self: newspaper links. Click them more often. Nevermind! Say on, Twisty. Say on. Thanks for the clarification, Twisty. It figures; I finally de-lurk into the conversational mix after years of silent, young onion agreement, only to misunderstand the subject at hand.

Note to self: newspaper links. Click them more often.

Nevermind! Say on, Twisty. Say on.

]]> By: delagar http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/02/20/an-issue-of-taste/#comment-106120 delagar Fri, 22 Feb 2008 23:44:58 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/02/20/an-issue-of-taste/#comment-106120 In my fiction writing class, here in Arkansas, where the students have turned in exactly one story so far, every one of the male students have felt it necessary (I fucking kid you not) to mention, before their male POV character expresses any sort of feeling for another male character, that they aren't gay. As in, "I'm not gay or anything, but I really felt for Orlando then,"; and "I'm as far from gay as you can get, but I wanted to tell Jasper it would be okay." In my fiction writing class, here in Arkansas, where the students have turned in exactly one story so far, every one of the male students have felt it necessary (I fucking kid you not) to mention, before their male POV character expresses any sort of feeling for another male character, that they aren’t gay. As in, “I’m not gay or anything, but I really felt for Orlando then,”; and “I’m as far from gay as you can get, but I wanted to tell Jasper it would be okay.”

]]> By: Pinko Punko http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/02/20/an-issue-of-taste/#comment-106004 Pinko Punko Fri, 22 Feb 2008 07:26:38 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/02/20/an-issue-of-taste/#comment-106004 This reminds me of the good old Salt Lake city School District decision to ban <i>all</i> student clubs and groups rather than allowing a gay-straight club. Remember, school support for most clubs means room 235 is unlocked from 2:20 until 4 pm, so some budding enginerds can read comics or what not, or at least be off the streets and out of a gang. Tis better to be in a straight gang than to be supporting of the gay! This reminds me of the good old Salt Lake city School District decision to ban all student clubs and groups rather than allowing a gay-straight club. Remember, school support for most clubs means room 235 is unlocked from 2:20 until 4 pm, so some budding enginerds can read comics or what not, or at least be off the streets and out of a gang. Tis better to be in a straight gang than to be supporting of the gay!

]]> By: cycles http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/02/20/an-issue-of-taste/#comment-105879 cycles Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:05:05 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/02/20/an-issue-of-taste/#comment-105879 Funny, how matters of taste are completely subjective. One person's lovely travertine marble is another person's fugly display of ostentation. All well and good for appraising inanimate objects. When it comes to persecuting actual people, you can't really call it taste any more, can you? Of course, when you're on the top of the patriarchy, you get to decide whether or not you're oppressing them. Your decisions have no bearing on their lives. You're merely asking them to stop being tacky with all that acting-as-if-they-were-human stuff. Funny, how matters of taste are completely subjective. One person’s lovely travertine marble is another person’s fugly display of ostentation. All well and good for appraising inanimate objects.

When it comes to persecuting actual people, you can’t really call it taste any more, can you?

Of course, when you’re on the top of the patriarchy, you get to decide whether or not you’re oppressing them. Your decisions have no bearing on their lives. You’re merely asking them to stop being tacky with all that acting-as-if-they-were-human stuff.

]]> By: Twisty http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/02/20/an-issue-of-taste/#comment-105855 Twisty Thu, 21 Feb 2008 13:42:55 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/02/20/an-issue-of-taste/#comment-105855 Q, see the note I appended to the post. Q, see the note I appended to the post.

]]> By: Q http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/02/20/an-issue-of-taste/#comment-105825 Q Thu, 21 Feb 2008 08:15:51 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/02/20/an-issue-of-taste/#comment-105825 And yet last week, in my very own state of residence, a "gay" student was shot and killed during his first class of the day by another student. (The LA Times covered this particularly heartbreaking story <a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-oxnard15feb15,0,7663055.story" rel="nofollow">here</a>.) The victim? 15 years old. The assailant? 14 years old. The patriarchy begins so, so early. Those St. Louis students must be completely unaware of current national events. I find their protest and hate absolutely appalling, and the icing on the hateful cake can only be the time in which they chose to deliver it. Someone needs to inform our children that nothing comes of hate but more hate -- hate upon hate, hate after hate after hate -- and that it is unacceptable. You do not have the right to bully, berate, tease, lord it over, or hate upon others for any reason, period. Will they hear it? No. IBTP for that. Should we say it anyway? Surely, yes. And yet last week, in my very own state of residence, a “gay” student was shot and killed during his first class of the day by another student. (The LA Times covered this particularly heartbreaking story here.)

The victim? 15 years old. The assailant? 14 years old. The patriarchy begins so, so early.

Those St. Louis students must be completely unaware of current national events. I find their protest and hate absolutely appalling, and the icing on the hateful cake can only be the time in which they chose to deliver it.

Someone needs to inform our children that nothing comes of hate but more hate — hate upon hate, hate after hate after hate — and that it is unacceptable. You do not have the right to bully, berate, tease, lord it over, or hate upon others for any reason, period.

Will they hear it? No. IBTP for that.

Should we say it anyway? Surely, yes.

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