Comments on: Props of the week http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/04/16/props-of-the-week/ Thu, 09 Feb 2012 08:19:07 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: In (Partial) Defense of Jezebel - The Pursuit of Harpyness http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/04/16/props-of-the-week/#comment-148647 In (Partial) Defense of Jezebel - The Pursuit of Harpyness Tue, 12 May 2009 15:41:07 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/04/16/props-of-the-week/#comment-148647 [...] why I believe what I do, and what that means.  Twisty once called Feministing a feminism  “gateway drug,” and while obviously there’s a sense in which Jezebel is less obviously so, [...] [...] why I believe what I do, and what that means.  Twisty once called Feministing a feminism  “gateway drug,” and while obviously there’s a sense in which Jezebel is less obviously so, [...]

]]> By: Hedgepig http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/04/16/props-of-the-week/#comment-145735 Hedgepig Fri, 13 Mar 2009 23:02:49 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/04/16/props-of-the-week/#comment-145735 Just want to say I love it when people revive old posts. It's a fun way to access the IBTP archive. So, Twisty's a redhead, eh? Just want to say I love it when people revive old posts. It’s a fun way to access the IBTP archive. So, Twisty’s a redhead, eh?

]]> By: Laughingrat http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/04/16/props-of-the-week/#comment-145642 Laughingrat Wed, 11 Mar 2009 21:35:11 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/04/16/props-of-the-week/#comment-145642 That's a great Mary Daly story, or maybe a sad one. When the peeps at Feministing seem a trifle young to me, I should remember that it's great that they have a place where they can go and be young and be feminist and also be safe. My own introduction to feminism was in the Orlando Public Library; I was age 11, and had wandered from the 200s (religion) to the 300s (feminism) and somehow, the very first thing I picked up was Andrea Dworkin's _Woman Hating_. I started reading it, and suddenly, everything made sense: the oppression at home, the oppression at school, the creepy things I saw in TV commercials, the way 50-year-old-men would leer at me when I was with my dad in the local 7-11...everything. 21 years later and I'm still in the library (as a librarian), and I'm still a radical feminist. Finding your blog in the last few days has been a powerful reminder of how all-encompassing radical feminism is, and how I never really stopped being a radical feminist. It's given me back a language for what I experience every day and a sense that I'm far from alone in (as you say) blaming the damn Patriarchy. As I said to one pal, "Twisty's like Andrea Dworkin, but with really good jokes." So as much as this verges on extremely boring confessional, I wanted to share this and thank you. That’s a great Mary Daly story, or maybe a sad one. When the peeps at Feministing seem a trifle young to me, I should remember that it’s great that they have a place where they can go and be young and be feminist and also be safe.

My own introduction to feminism was in the Orlando Public Library; I was age 11, and had wandered from the 200s (religion) to the 300s (feminism) and somehow, the very first thing I picked up was Andrea Dworkin’s _Woman Hating_. I started reading it, and suddenly, everything made sense: the oppression at home, the oppression at school, the creepy things I saw in TV commercials, the way 50-year-old-men would leer at me when I was with my dad in the local 7-11…everything.

21 years later and I’m still in the library (as a librarian), and I’m still a radical feminist. Finding your blog in the last few days has been a powerful reminder of how all-encompassing radical feminism is, and how I never really stopped being a radical feminist. It’s given me back a language for what I experience every day and a sense that I’m far from alone in (as you say) blaming the damn Patriarchy. As I said to one pal, “Twisty’s like Andrea Dworkin, but with really good jokes.” So as much as this verges on extremely boring confessional, I wanted to share this and thank you.

]]> By: Women I Love: Kate Bush « The E-Visible Woman http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/04/16/props-of-the-week/#comment-117211 Women I Love: Kate Bush « The E-Visible Woman Thu, 01 May 2008 14:06:58 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/04/16/props-of-the-week/#comment-117211 [...] then consider Wuthering Heights a bit of advanced listening material… kind of similar to Twisty’s take on the role of Feministing (which I completely agree with, by the way). The role of all other music [...] [...] then consider Wuthering Heights a bit of advanced listening material… kind of similar to Twisty’s take on the role of Feministing (which I completely agree with, by the way). The role of all other music [...]

]]> By: los anjalis » “Feminism”, jungles, and racist imagery http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/04/16/props-of-the-week/#comment-116677 los anjalis » “Feminism”, jungles, and racist imagery Mon, 28 Apr 2008 01:33:25 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/04/16/props-of-the-week/#comment-116677 [...] to some prior work by WOC feminists on her alternet piece on immigration/violence/gender. This is a typical comment from her: I dislike, strongly, people who treat feminism like a cool kids club and guard the borders to make [...] [...] to some prior work by WOC feminists on her alternet piece on immigration/violence/gender. This is a typical comment from her: I dislike, strongly, people who treat feminism like a cool kids club and guard the borders to make [...]

]]> By: ate http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/04/16/props-of-the-week/#comment-116056 ate Thu, 24 Apr 2008 18:02:49 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/04/16/props-of-the-week/#comment-116056 Thank You Lara Thank You Lara

]]> By: Lara http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/04/16/props-of-the-week/#comment-116049 Lara Thu, 24 Apr 2008 17:51:13 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/04/16/props-of-the-week/#comment-116049 Well Caitlin Jeanne, "radical" means "at the roots", in the case of radical feminism, it means to "get to the roots of patriarchy." Radical feminists believe that patriarchy cannot be written away by law reform or a reform within our current culture. They believe instead that sexism and male-centredness are ingrained within our very institutions, in our basic understandings and formations of sex, identity, race, etc. That is why you see liberal feminists thinking they can take something like stripping, or the justice system, or what not, and make it "empowering" for women. And why you see radical feminists pointing out that you have to rid of the status quo and current systems altogether to gain liberation for women, of all colors, ethnicities, class backgrounds, etc. Furthermore, radical feminists really hold to the basic feminist tenet that "the personal is political." In other words, what we do or what goes on in our personal lives, in our behavior, in our families, in our bedrooms, is very much affected by and connected to the realities of oppression and politics. That what we do every day, how we conceive of things should be viewed in context, in the big picture (White Supremacist heteronormative ableist Patriarchy). The arguments that ensue between liberal and radical feminists do certainly go beyond the "sex industry," but because porn and porn culture has become so incredibly mainstream right now you'll see it dominate a lot of the discussions between (and among) liberal and radical feminists. Hope that made sense :P Well Caitlin Jeanne, “radical” means “at the roots”, in the case of radical feminism, it means to “get to the roots of patriarchy.” Radical feminists believe that patriarchy cannot be written away by law reform or a reform within our current culture. They believe instead that sexism and male-centredness are ingrained within our very institutions, in our basic understandings and formations of sex, identity, race, etc.
That is why you see liberal feminists thinking they can take something like stripping, or the justice system, or what not, and make it “empowering” for women. And why you see radical feminists pointing out that you have to rid of the status quo and current systems altogether to gain liberation for women, of all colors, ethnicities, class backgrounds, etc. Furthermore, radical feminists really hold to the basic feminist tenet that “the personal is political.” In other words, what we do or what goes on in our personal lives, in our behavior, in our families, in our bedrooms, is very much affected by and connected to the realities of oppression and politics. That what we do every day, how we conceive of things should be viewed in context, in the big picture (White Supremacist heteronormative ableist Patriarchy).
The arguments that ensue between liberal and radical feminists do certainly go beyond the “sex industry,” but because porn and porn culture has become so incredibly mainstream right now you’ll see it dominate a lot of the discussions between (and among) liberal and radical feminists.
Hope that made sense :P

]]> By: delphyne http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/04/16/props-of-the-week/#comment-116037 delphyne Thu, 24 Apr 2008 17:13:14 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/04/16/props-of-the-week/#comment-116037 Jeanne, the standard short answer to the difference between radical feminism and liberal feminism is that liberal feminists want to reform the patriarchy and radical feminists want to obliterate it. Or to put it another way, liberal feminists want equality within the current male-supremacist system, whilst radical feminists want liberation from male supremacy. Radical feminism also argues that patriarchy and men's illegitmate power are built on violence towards women particularly sexual violence, which is why being anti-porn and anti-prostitution is central to our politics. Don't ask yourself whether you are pro-sex work or anti-sex work, that's the liberal framing, ask yourself whether you are pro-john or anti-john. If you think that there is any set of circumstances where it is OK for a man to purchase a woman's body to sexually use, then you (general you) are probably not a radical feminist. Jeanne, the standard short answer to the difference between radical feminism and liberal feminism is that liberal feminists want to reform the patriarchy and radical feminists want to obliterate it. Or to put it another way, liberal feminists want equality within the current male-supremacist system, whilst radical feminists want liberation from male supremacy. Radical feminism also argues that patriarchy and men’s illegitmate power are built on violence towards women particularly sexual violence, which is why being anti-porn and anti-prostitution is central to our politics.

Don’t ask yourself whether you are pro-sex work or anti-sex work, that’s the liberal framing, ask yourself whether you are pro-john or anti-john. If you think that there is any set of circumstances where it is OK for a man to purchase a woman’s body to sexually use, then you (general you) are probably not a radical feminist.

]]> By: sam http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/04/16/props-of-the-week/#comment-116029 sam Thu, 24 Apr 2008 16:27:34 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/04/16/props-of-the-week/#comment-116029 Having been both a liberal feminist and a radical feminist, I think Theriomorph's post on the liberal feminist call for submissions to a book tentatively titled "Yes Means Yes" adequately covers the bigger bases on that question. http://theriomorph.blogspot.com/2007/12/my-yes-is-not-more-important-than-her.html Having been both a liberal feminist and a radical feminist, I think Theriomorph’s post on the liberal feminist call for submissions to a book tentatively titled “Yes Means Yes” adequately covers the bigger bases on that question.

http://theriomorph.blogspot.com/2007/12/my-yes-is-not-more-important-than-her.html

]]> By: Caitlin Jeanne http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/04/16/props-of-the-week/#comment-115865 Caitlin Jeanne Wed, 23 Apr 2008 21:02:17 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/04/16/props-of-the-week/#comment-115865 I was a feminist at 15 and I did read Mary Daly before I turned to the internet, since that was what my mom had. I also read Firestone in high school and remember it blowing my MIND, except thinking that her model of the "American family" was hecka weird at the time. The first feminist blog I read was Feministe, but I do read Feministing as well, and read IBTP, and my feminist group runs our own blog. Can anyone please tell me some differences between radfems and so-called "liberal" feminists besides the fact that radfems appear to be anti-porn/anti-prostitution and "liberal" feminists are pro-porn/pro-prostitution? I describe myself as a radical feminist but I think that sex work is much more complicated than "pro" or "anti" and wouldn't describe myself as either. I was a feminist at 15 and I did read Mary Daly before I turned to the internet, since that was what my mom had. I also read Firestone in high school and remember it blowing my MIND, except thinking that her model of the “American family” was hecka weird at the time. The first feminist blog I read was Feministe, but I do read Feministing as well, and read IBTP, and my feminist group runs our own blog.

Can anyone please tell me some differences between radfems and so-called “liberal” feminists besides the fact that radfems appear to be anti-porn/anti-prostitution and “liberal” feminists are pro-porn/pro-prostitution? I describe myself as a radical feminist but I think that sex work is much more complicated than “pro” or “anti” and wouldn’t describe myself as either.

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