Comments on: Props of the week http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/04/16/props-of-the-week/ Sat, 17 May 2008 06:05:14 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.1 By: Women I Love: Kate Bush « The E-Visible Woman http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/04/16/props-of-the-week/#comment-117211 Women I Love: Kate Bush « The E-Visible Woman Thu, 01 May 2008 14:06:58 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/04/16/props-of-the-week/#comment-117211 [...] then consider Wuthering Heights a bit of advanced listening material… kind of similar to Twisty’s take on the role of Feministing (which I completely agree with, by the way). The role of all other music [...] […] then consider Wuthering Heights a bit of advanced listening material… kind of similar to Twisty’s take on the role of Feministing (which I completely agree with, by the way). The role of all other music […]

]]> By: los anjalis » “Feminism”, jungles, and racist imagery http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/04/16/props-of-the-week/#comment-116677 los anjalis » “Feminism”, jungles, and racist imagery Mon, 28 Apr 2008 01:33:25 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/04/16/props-of-the-week/#comment-116677 [...] to some prior work by WOC feminists on her alternet piece on immigration/violence/gender. This is a typical comment from her: I dislike, strongly, people who treat feminism like a cool kids club and guard the borders to make [...] […] to some prior work by WOC feminists on her alternet piece on immigration/violence/gender. This is a typical comment from her: I dislike, strongly, people who treat feminism like a cool kids club and guard the borders to make […]

]]> By: ate http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/04/16/props-of-the-week/#comment-116056 ate Thu, 24 Apr 2008 18:02:49 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/04/16/props-of-the-week/#comment-116056 Thank You Lara Thank You Lara

]]> By: Lara http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/04/16/props-of-the-week/#comment-116049 Lara Thu, 24 Apr 2008 17:51:13 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/04/16/props-of-the-week/#comment-116049 Well Caitlin Jeanne, "radical" means "at the roots", in the case of radical feminism, it means to "get to the roots of patriarchy." Radical feminists believe that patriarchy cannot be written away by law reform or a reform within our current culture. They believe instead that sexism and male-centredness are ingrained within our very institutions, in our basic understandings and formations of sex, identity, race, etc. That is why you see liberal feminists thinking they can take something like stripping, or the justice system, or what not, and make it "empowering" for women. And why you see radical feminists pointing out that you have to rid of the status quo and current systems altogether to gain liberation for women, of all colors, ethnicities, class backgrounds, etc. Furthermore, radical feminists really hold to the basic feminist tenet that "the personal is political." In other words, what we do or what goes on in our personal lives, in our behavior, in our families, in our bedrooms, is very much affected by and connected to the realities of oppression and politics. That what we do every day, how we conceive of things should be viewed in context, in the big picture (White Supremacist heteronormative ableist Patriarchy). The arguments that ensue between liberal and radical feminists do certainly go beyond the "sex industry," but because porn and porn culture has become so incredibly mainstream right now you'll see it dominate a lot of the discussions between (and among) liberal and radical feminists. Hope that made sense :P Well Caitlin Jeanne, “radical” means “at the roots”, in the case of radical feminism, it means to “get to the roots of patriarchy.” Radical feminists believe that patriarchy cannot be written away by law reform or a reform within our current culture. They believe instead that sexism and male-centredness are ingrained within our very institutions, in our basic understandings and formations of sex, identity, race, etc.
That is why you see liberal feminists thinking they can take something like stripping, or the justice system, or what not, and make it “empowering” for women. And why you see radical feminists pointing out that you have to rid of the status quo and current systems altogether to gain liberation for women, of all colors, ethnicities, class backgrounds, etc. Furthermore, radical feminists really hold to the basic feminist tenet that “the personal is political.” In other words, what we do or what goes on in our personal lives, in our behavior, in our families, in our bedrooms, is very much affected by and connected to the realities of oppression and politics. That what we do every day, how we conceive of things should be viewed in context, in the big picture (White Supremacist heteronormative ableist Patriarchy).
The arguments that ensue between liberal and radical feminists do certainly go beyond the “sex industry,” but because porn and porn culture has become so incredibly mainstream right now you’ll see it dominate a lot of the discussions between (and among) liberal and radical feminists.
Hope that made sense :P

]]> By: delphyne http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/04/16/props-of-the-week/#comment-116037 delphyne Thu, 24 Apr 2008 17:13:14 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/04/16/props-of-the-week/#comment-116037 Jeanne, the standard short answer to the difference between radical feminism and liberal feminism is that liberal feminists want to reform the patriarchy and radical feminists want to obliterate it. Or to put it another way, liberal feminists want equality within the current male-supremacist system, whilst radical feminists want liberation from male supremacy. Radical feminism also argues that patriarchy and men's illegitmate power are built on violence towards women particularly sexual violence, which is why being anti-porn and anti-prostitution is central to our politics. Don't ask yourself whether you are pro-sex work or anti-sex work, that's the liberal framing, ask yourself whether you are pro-john or anti-john. If you think that there is any set of circumstances where it is OK for a man to purchase a woman's body to sexually use, then you (general you) are probably not a radical feminist. Jeanne, the standard short answer to the difference between radical feminism and liberal feminism is that liberal feminists want to reform the patriarchy and radical feminists want to obliterate it. Or to put it another way, liberal feminists want equality within the current male-supremacist system, whilst radical feminists want liberation from male supremacy. Radical feminism also argues that patriarchy and men’s illegitmate power are built on violence towards women particularly sexual violence, which is why being anti-porn and anti-prostitution is central to our politics.

Don’t ask yourself whether you are pro-sex work or anti-sex work, that’s the liberal framing, ask yourself whether you are pro-john or anti-john. If you think that there is any set of circumstances where it is OK for a man to purchase a woman’s body to sexually use, then you (general you) are probably not a radical feminist.

]]> By: sam http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/04/16/props-of-the-week/#comment-116029 sam Thu, 24 Apr 2008 16:27:34 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/04/16/props-of-the-week/#comment-116029 Having been both a liberal feminist and a radical feminist, I think Theriomorph's post on the liberal feminist call for submissions to a book tentatively titled "Yes Means Yes" adequately covers the bigger bases on that question. http://theriomorph.blogspot.com/2007/12/my-yes-is-not-more-important-than-her.html Having been both a liberal feminist and a radical feminist, I think Theriomorph’s post on the liberal feminist call for submissions to a book tentatively titled “Yes Means Yes” adequately covers the bigger bases on that question.

http://theriomorph.blogspot.com/2007/12/my-yes-is-not-more-important-than-her.html

]]> By: Caitlin Jeanne http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/04/16/props-of-the-week/#comment-115865 Caitlin Jeanne Wed, 23 Apr 2008 21:02:17 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/04/16/props-of-the-week/#comment-115865 I was a feminist at 15 and I did read Mary Daly before I turned to the internet, since that was what my mom had. I also read Firestone in high school and remember it blowing my MIND, except thinking that her model of the "American family" was hecka weird at the time. The first feminist blog I read was Feministe, but I do read Feministing as well, and read IBTP, and my feminist group runs our own blog. Can anyone please tell me some differences between radfems and so-called "liberal" feminists besides the fact that radfems appear to be anti-porn/anti-prostitution and "liberal" feminists are pro-porn/pro-prostitution? I describe myself as a radical feminist but I think that sex work is much more complicated than "pro" or "anti" and wouldn't describe myself as either. I was a feminist at 15 and I did read Mary Daly before I turned to the internet, since that was what my mom had. I also read Firestone in high school and remember it blowing my MIND, except thinking that her model of the “American family” was hecka weird at the time. The first feminist blog I read was Feministe, but I do read Feministing as well, and read IBTP, and my feminist group runs our own blog.

Can anyone please tell me some differences between radfems and so-called “liberal” feminists besides the fact that radfems appear to be anti-porn/anti-prostitution and “liberal” feminists are pro-porn/pro-prostitution? I describe myself as a radical feminist but I think that sex work is much more complicated than “pro” or “anti” and wouldn’t describe myself as either.

]]> By: TP http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/04/16/props-of-the-week/#comment-115515 TP Mon, 21 Apr 2008 19:17:05 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/04/16/props-of-the-week/#comment-115515 Yes, please, someone out there with editing skills, please edit IBTP into a book in your spare time! Once in some kind of rough shape, we could see how easy it is to market. I followed the link to the great pie-throwing controversy of ought-five and remembered it well. Glancing through the comments I noticed, also, how long, stupid, and male-centric my posts were back then. I may still need correction from time to time, but I hope to god I'm not nearly as ardent about representing the male perspective as I once was. Yes, please, someone out there with editing skills, please edit IBTP into a book in your spare time! Once in some kind of rough shape, we could see how easy it is to market.

I followed the link to the great pie-throwing controversy of ought-five and remembered it well. Glancing through the comments I noticed, also, how long, stupid, and male-centric my posts were back then. I may still need correction from time to time, but I hope to god I’m not nearly as ardent about representing the male perspective as I once was.

]]> By: buggle http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/04/16/props-of-the-week/#comment-115511 buggle Mon, 21 Apr 2008 18:49:26 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/04/16/props-of-the-week/#comment-115511 Twisty, it doesn't bother you at all that Feministing, along with Pandagon (which you've also promoted recently) are both pro-porn blogs? You have no critique of either of these blogs? They are both just great and awesome? I'm disappointed, I've never heard you talk about something so uncritically. For many radical feminists, places like Feministing are like a big slap across the face. Although they have many quality posts, they are very clearly pro-porn and pro-prostitution. I don't see how it is helpful for young women learning about feminism to learn that feminism is about being pro-porn. Or how pole-dancing is feminist and empowering. Also, these blogs are NOT welcoming to radical feminists AT ALL. Yeah, I'm really confused by this post. Twisty, it doesn’t bother you at all that Feministing, along with Pandagon (which you’ve also promoted recently) are both pro-porn blogs? You have no critique of either of these blogs? They are both just great and awesome? I’m disappointed, I’ve never heard you talk about something so uncritically. For many radical feminists, places like Feministing are like a big slap across the face. Although they have many quality posts, they are very clearly pro-porn and pro-prostitution. I don’t see how it is helpful for young women learning about feminism to learn that feminism is about being pro-porn. Or how pole-dancing is feminist and empowering. Also, these blogs are NOT welcoming to radical feminists AT ALL.

Yeah, I’m really confused by this post.

]]> By: Fiona http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/04/16/props-of-the-week/#comment-115510 Fiona Mon, 21 Apr 2008 18:45:53 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/04/16/props-of-the-week/#comment-115510 This sentence makes me want to start my own publishing company: "And I assure you, Kiki, that even if I started taking Ritalin and actually got one finished, nobody has the balls to publish any book I might write." I'D publish it. And as for your "laziness," I'd venture to say your largest task would be compiling and editing much of what you've already done, and that's something an experienced editor could do in a matter of months if not weeks. Granted, I'm no expert on the publishing industry. The best part, though, would be the Twisty book tour. Public relations IS something I know, and you'd be aces for the shit-stirring Fox News types, despite the inevitability that they'd get their asses handed to them by Twisty Faster. This sentence makes me want to start my own publishing company: “And I assure you, Kiki, that even if I started taking Ritalin and actually got one finished, nobody has the balls to publish any book I might write.”

I’D publish it. And as for your “laziness,” I’d venture to say your largest task would be compiling and editing much of what you’ve already done, and that’s something an experienced editor could do in a matter of months if not weeks. Granted, I’m no expert on the publishing industry.

The best part, though, would be the Twisty book tour. Public relations IS something I know, and you’d be aces for the shit-stirring Fox News types, despite the inevitability that they’d get their asses handed to them by Twisty Faster.

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