Comments on: Miscarriage art cube provokes “outcry”

By: kate

kate — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 00:44:43 +0000

Yes Cassie, she’s perfect example of how all the feminist teaching at home cannot always win out over the mind numbing swamp of patriarchal culture everywhere else.

I’m just hoping that once the baby is walking and she’s more independent (she’s nursing and pushing to work at home for the baby’s best interests) soon and will cut loose.

She’s already learned that the “Family Values” crowd really have no values when she learned how practically useless her WIC voucher is now thanks to Rethuglican cuts over the years.

By: Cassie

Cassie — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 07:57:58 +0000

kate - oi. I hear your pain on the DNA contributor. Here’s to hoping your daughter will see the light. I started going back out with the DNA contributor to my pregnancy after I figured out I was pregnant - being sane, I had broken up with him prior. What a mistake that ever was. I of course blame the patriarchy and its damn brainwashing. Being a father should not entitle anyone to being part of the daily life of the mother, if she’s better off without. Part of the child’s life, fine, if he’s a decent father, just not the mother’s.

By: kate

kate — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 00:24:02 +0000

opinion — I meant decision.

By: kate

kate — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 00:23:09 +0000

In Cassie’s defense, my 22 year old daughter elected to take a pregnancy to term. She had already had an abortion on her own a while ago at fifteen, she made the decision on her own, made the arrangements and would have carried the whole thing out on her own if not for the state’s insistence that her parent get involved. Guess she’s lucky had me and not someone like my dad.

Anyway, she elected to have the child. I had to accept it. It wasn’t a good choice in my mind and she is really struggling, but as a pro-choice mother, I must respect her opinion.

As a feminist as well, I must give her support in her efforts to be a good mother to her child, teach her how to survive as best I can and also be there when hopefully she leaves the piece of shit who contributed his DNA to the baby project.

By: Cassie

Cassie — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 14:01:43 +0000

Hey SaltyC,

sorry I got so huffy. Shouldn’t let these discussions get people on the same side fighting with each other.

I guess my main point is that pro-choice is exactly that: one should try respect the choices adult women make for themselves in their lives. I chose not to get an abortion and I don’t think I was being a bad person or irresponsible, I was going to try my damned best to make things work out. You chose to have an abortion, I don’t think (and I don’t think anybody should think) that you are a bad person or irresponsible. You were making your own right choices as you saw best.

I would and will fight for your right to make your own choices in the best conditions (free, on demand, no harassment), just as I hope you would fight for my right to make my choices in the best conditions (good cheap health care, parental leave, child care, maternal allowances for finishing PhDs, what have you).

By: magriff

magriff — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 07:54:28 +0000

Maybe this is so difficult because there’s still some “getting square” with abortion and all that jazz that we (feminists) still have to do- lots of people have lots of different ways of viewing and getting skippy with abortion, which the artist may have set out to prove, and which has definitely evidenced itself in this comment thread. And hey, by the way, this is just a damned art project. (And a really successful one at that.) Gosh who doesn’t remember the nineties and all the rape simulation art projects that happened at Evergreen and such? I call shennanigens on anyone laying the heavy on this young arist.

By: saltyC

saltyC — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 22:59:44 +0000

Can I retract my last post?
Sorry.

By: saltyC

saltyC — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 19:24:07 +0000

Cassie,
You’re still happy something happened that you didn’t want to be responsible for. It’s cowardly. Me, I’m glad I could be responsible for my abortion. Yes I wear it like a badge.

I was relieved that my cat died at home and I didn’t have to put her to sleep. but I won’t pretend I would *never* do it if the situation called for it.

By: Lara

Lara — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 19:11:24 +0000

Reverend you should make a satire out of this whole mess, I was cracking up, that was the best sum up of Yale’s patriarchy-loving doodliness I’ve ever read ;)

By: Lieutenant Reverend B. Dagger Lee

Lieutenant Reverend B. Dagger Lee — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:40:19 +0000

Interesting. In today’s NYT Arts section (”Arts, Briefly: Yale Demands End to Student’s ‘Performance’ “), Yale says it won’t allow her to participate in a campus exhibition unless she makes a written statement that her performance was a fiction. Yale maintains that her repeated insistance that she did what she says she did–is still part of the performance! (”Waaaaah!!! She’s still performing! Waaaah!”).

Interesting gaslighting technique they’ve each got going on. In private Shvarts supposedly acquiesces, in public she reaffirms her story.

Dean Henchman: Young lady, do you persist in your absurd claims that the uterus is the still center point of the solar system, and that the turkey-baster-phallus revolves around it? Consider your answer carefully, for we shall make your graduation exceedingly difficult if you persist in this heresy!

Shvarts: Dudes, I give up. The baster-phallus is the center of the planetary system, and all celestial bodies, including the uterus, revolve around the baster-phallus. The turkey-baster-phallus does not move.

Dean Henchman: The court decrees that you are absolved of heresy and may go to the ceremony of graduation and all attendant events thereof.

Shvarts: (outside the chamber of inquisition) And yet it moves! I impregnated-aborted-my-uterus-myself!

Dean Henchman: Gaaah! She’s still performing! I say, she’s still performing! Grab her!