Comments on: Fetuslove, Canadian-style http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/04/28/fetuslove-canadian-style/ Thu, 04 Dec 2008 20:16:16 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.1 By: Bonnie Gembey http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/04/28/fetuslove-canadian-style/#comment-135454 Bonnie Gembey Wed, 03 Dec 2008 18:04:16 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/04/28/fetuslove-canadian-style/#comment-135454 Weighing in on the LEAF issue - I'm no longer a member, not that it's not a very worthwhile organization. I was out in the wilds of Northern Manitoba and couldn't get to meetings or fundraisers. Having moved back to Winnipeg, I plan to rejoin. LEAF does take action against domestic violence (partners hurting partners in any arrangement, but mostly the the most common one, male violence against women). They also advocate for female prisoners' rights. They cover the spectrum in criminal and other areas of law, identifying "women's" issues - (if we are all people, are they not then just issues? Kind of like I'm a "woman lawyer", I guess). I can't say enough about the good work they do, and the awareness that they raise. And guess what? Stephen Harper's government is about to undergo its second non-confidence vote since his first term (we're now on #2, thanks so much, Canadian electorate)! It is not, of course, a "women's issue" that brings about a coalition bid to overturn the Conservative Government, but who am I to complain if he's voted out of office - bring it on, Liberals and Bloc Quebecois! Weighing in on the LEAF issue - I’m no longer a member, not that it’s not a very worthwhile organization. I was out in the wilds of Northern Manitoba and couldn’t get to meetings or fundraisers. Having moved back to Winnipeg, I plan to rejoin. LEAF does take action against domestic violence (partners hurting partners in any arrangement, but mostly the the most common one, male violence against women). They also advocate for female prisoners’ rights. They cover the spectrum in criminal and other areas of law, identifying “women’s” issues - (if we are all people, are they not then just issues? Kind of like I’m a “woman lawyer”, I guess). I can’t say enough about the good work they do, and the awareness that they raise. And guess what? Stephen Harper’s government is about to undergo its second non-confidence vote since his first term (we’re now on #2, thanks so much, Canadian electorate)! It is not, of course, a “women’s issue” that brings about a coalition bid to overturn the Conservative Government, but who am I to complain if he’s voted out of office - bring it on, Liberals and Bloc Quebecois!

]]> By: Megan http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/04/28/fetuslove-canadian-style/#comment-134142 Megan Thu, 13 Nov 2008 01:12:29 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/04/28/fetuslove-canadian-style/#comment-134142 "If a fetus is a person, a woman isn’t." This is the most succinct and honest statement I've ever read concerning the "abortion debate." Thank you. “If a fetus is a person, a woman isn’t.”

This is the most succinct and honest statement I’ve ever read concerning the “abortion debate.” Thank you.

]]> By: zooeyibz http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/04/28/fetuslove-canadian-style/#comment-128985 zooeyibz Thu, 18 Sep 2008 22:16:50 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/04/28/fetuslove-canadian-style/#comment-128985 blimey. is there something in the water in North America? the US govt is currently hard at work trying to figure out ways to stop women accessing "abortion" -- where "abortion" is defined as <a href="http://irresponsibility.wordpress.com/2008/08/22/the-american-war-against-women’s-rights-the-hhs-attacks-access-to-birth-control/" rel="nofollow"> termination of the life of a human being in utero between conception and natural birth, <strong>whether before or after implantation”</strong></a> forget fetus=person... apparently free-floating sperm=person too... blimey. is there something in the water in North America? the US govt is currently hard at work trying to figure out ways to stop women accessing “abortion” — where “abortion” is defined as termination of the life of a human being in utero between conception and natural birth, whether before or after implantation”

forget fetus=person… apparently free-floating sperm=person too…

]]> By: firefalluk http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/04/28/fetuslove-canadian-style/#comment-117314 firefalluk Fri, 02 May 2008 15:10:38 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/04/28/fetuslove-canadian-style/#comment-117314 Oh Twisty, silly, silly Twisty: you <b>know</b> that fetuses are only human until they are born, unless they have the magical Penis Power to retain the humanity. Otherwise, they're just disposable incubators. sigh It's just a matter of time before this hits the US statehouses, I suppose. Time to start buying shares in the coathanger manufacturers. Oh Twisty, silly, silly Twisty: you know that fetuses are only human until they are born, unless they have the magical Penis Power to retain the humanity. Otherwise, they’re just disposable incubators.

sigh

It’s just a matter of time before this hits the US statehouses, I suppose. Time to start buying shares in the coathanger manufacturers.

]]> By: Artemisia Maude http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/04/28/fetuslove-canadian-style/#comment-117279 Artemisia Maude Fri, 02 May 2008 06:08:58 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/04/28/fetuslove-canadian-style/#comment-117279 "I’m no patriot but Canada’s abortion laws are still more secure than US’ and you can come here if you’re a woman who wants to marry a woman or a man who wants to marry a man! Come on over and pay us a visit sometime." Hehe, this is pretty much my plan after I graduate... “I’m no patriot but Canada’s abortion laws are still more secure than US’ and you can come here if you’re a woman who wants to marry a woman or a man who wants to marry a man! Come on over and pay us a visit sometime.”

Hehe, this is pretty much my plan after I graduate…

]]> By: hysperia http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/04/28/fetuslove-canadian-style/#comment-117126 hysperia Wed, 30 Apr 2008 23:48:30 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/04/28/fetuslove-canadian-style/#comment-117126 Hi. Glad to see you covering this miserable Bill. LEAF is an organization that looks at cases before the Courts only. Though they certainly do say things like "stop violence against women", their actions are somewhat curtailed by their self-definition and by their charitable status - they can lose it if they go too far. Given the very limited amounts of money that are available for this kinda thing, I can't blame them too much - most of the time. If you are interested in what action is being taken in Canada to stop this ridiculous conservative-law-and-order-but-who-cares-about-the-women Bill, check out the website at the Abortion Rights Coalition of Canada http://www.arcc-cdac.ca/c484.htm They have a petition to sign and they need money for the struggle, of course. I'm no patriot but Canada's abortion laws are still more secure than US' and you can come here if you're a woman who wants to marry a woman or a man who wants to marry a man! Come on over and pay us a visit sometime. Hi. Glad to see you covering this miserable Bill. LEAF is an organization that looks at cases before the Courts only. Though they certainly do say things like “stop violence against women”, their actions are somewhat curtailed by their self-definition and by their charitable status - they can lose it if they go too far. Given the very limited amounts of money that are available for this kinda thing, I can’t blame them too much - most of the time. If you are interested in what action is being taken in Canada to stop this ridiculous conservative-law-and-order-but-who-cares-about-the-women Bill, check out the website at the Abortion Rights Coalition of Canada http://www.arcc-cdac.ca/c484.htm They have a petition to sign and they need money for the struggle, of course. I’m no patriot but Canada’s abortion laws are still more secure than US’ and you can come here if you’re a woman who wants to marry a woman or a man who wants to marry a man! Come on over and pay us a visit sometime.

]]> By: slythwolf http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/04/28/fetuslove-canadian-style/#comment-117105 slythwolf Wed, 30 Apr 2008 21:28:36 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/04/28/fetuslove-canadian-style/#comment-117105 How come LEAF isn't saying "to stop violence against women, make men stop beating up women"? How come LEAF isn’t saying “to stop violence against women, make men stop beating up women”?

]]> By: Panic http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/04/28/fetuslove-canadian-style/#comment-117092 Panic Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:56:58 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/04/28/fetuslove-canadian-style/#comment-117092 Twisty, There are in fact many wonderful things about Alberta, as there are about Texas. I miss things about it every day of my life. The political climate and most of the population excluded. Twisty,
There are in fact many wonderful things about Alberta, as there are about Texas. I miss things about it every day of my life. The political climate and most of the population excluded.

]]> By: RKMK http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/04/28/fetuslove-canadian-style/#comment-117087 RKMK Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:17:17 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/04/28/fetuslove-canadian-style/#comment-117087 Hey, my MP's office wrote me back! <i>Dear Ms. R[KMK], Thank you very much for taking the time to contact us on this important issue and for offering your personal concerns. For many of the reasons that you have provided, Mr. Silva cannot support Bill C-484. While violence against women is a serious issue that is very deserving of public concern, Mario does not feel that this bill is effective in addressing these concerns. Thank you again for taking the time to contact this office. Should you have any further questions or concerns. Please don't hesitate to contact us again. Sincerely, Braden Root-McCaig Special Assistant Office of Mario Silva, MP Davenport </i> Hey, my MP’s office wrote me back!

Dear Ms. R[KMK],

Thank you very much for taking the time to contact us on this important issue and for offering your personal concerns.

For many of the reasons that you have provided, Mr. Silva cannot support Bill C-484. While violence against women is a serious issue that is very deserving of public concern, Mario does not feel that this bill is effective in addressing these concerns.

Thank you again for taking the time to contact this office. Should you have any further questions or concerns. Please don’t hesitate to contact us again.

Sincerely,

Braden Root-McCaig
Special Assistant
Office of Mario Silva, MP Davenport

]]> By: Amananta http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/04/28/fetuslove-canadian-style/#comment-117075 Amananta Wed, 30 Apr 2008 17:08:32 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/04/28/fetuslove-canadian-style/#comment-117075 Please forgive me for this question. I recognize that something is fundamentally wrong with my thinking here and I suspect it is patriarchal brainwashing but I can't quite seem to ferret it out. I am, of course, highly disturbed by any implications that arise from this bill - if killing a fetus becomes the crime of murder, that is one tiny step away legally from criminalizing abortion and sending women to death row (well I guess they don't have death row in Canada? I am unsure) for having one. But - I've been pregnant and had a child, and if someone had, say, shot me in the stomach (as happened somewhere here in the States recently) at about 6 months along, thus killing the fetus I had put up with carrying along with the attendant morning sickness, raised blood pressure, stretch marks, back pain, and all the other miseries I went through during pregnancy, I would want them to be punished not only for harming me but for taking something from me. Surely there must be some way to frame a law that it doesn't then punish pregnant women? Or maybe there isn't and I'm just being clueless in some way I don't recognize? Having been abused while pregnant myself, I am well aware of the way that our culture pretends to have a high regard for the pregnant woman, putting her on a pedestal, while actually hating her. Pregnant women are at higher risk of violence, especially from their partners, than non-pregnant women. I would like to see the Ev Psych people try to explain that one away. Please forgive me for this question. I recognize that something is fundamentally wrong with my thinking here and I suspect it is patriarchal brainwashing but I can’t quite seem to ferret it out.

I am, of course, highly disturbed by any implications that arise from this bill - if killing a fetus becomes the crime of murder, that is one tiny step away legally from criminalizing abortion and sending women to death row (well I guess they don’t have death row in Canada? I am unsure) for having one.

But - I’ve been pregnant and had a child, and if someone had, say, shot me in the stomach (as happened somewhere here in the States recently) at about 6 months along, thus killing the fetus I had put up with carrying along with the attendant morning sickness, raised blood pressure, stretch marks, back pain, and all the other miseries I went through during pregnancy, I would want them to be punished not only for harming me but for taking something from me. Surely there must be some way to frame a law that it doesn’t then punish pregnant women? Or maybe there isn’t and I’m just being clueless in some way I don’t recognize?

Having been abused while pregnant myself, I am well aware of the way that our culture pretends to have a high regard for the pregnant woman, putting her on a pedestal, while actually hating her. Pregnant women are at higher risk of violence, especially from their partners, than non-pregnant women. I would like to see the Ev Psych people try to explain that one away.

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