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		<title>By: In which lorelei is in a foul mood and exorcises it with words. &#171; The Nymph&#8217;s Tale</title>
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		<dc:creator>In which lorelei is in a foul mood and exorcises it with words. &#171; The Nymph&#8217;s Tale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 03:36:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] for the much needed psychological help, well&#8230; to quote her on another blog: &#8220;And if men want to know what they can *do* (as they never seem to be able to get their [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] for the much needed psychological help, well&#8230; to quote her on another blog: &#8220;And if men want to know what they can *do* (as they never seem to be able to get their [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Rumproast Frequently Answered Questions &#171; Camel&#8217;s Nose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rumproast Frequently Answered Questions &#171; Camel&#8217;s Nose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 21:48:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] masses. So how to cope with the floodgates.  Looking further, I find that Twisty&#8217;s  men&#8217;s page goes right to the heart of my problem.  Other bloggers like myself (I think) are urged to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] masses. So how to cope with the floodgates.  Looking further, I find that Twisty&#8217;s  men&#8217;s page goes right to the heart of my problem.  Other bloggers like myself (I think) are urged to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: PoMo</title>
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		<dc:creator>PoMo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 04:36:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heya,

How about these?

&lt;a href=&quot;http://community.livejournal.com/feminist/1362470.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;12 Helpful Suggestions for Men Regarding Conduct in Feminist Spaces&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://colours.mahost.org/org/maleprivilege.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Male Privilege Checklist&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.shrub.com/archives/tekanji/2006-03-08_146&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;“Check my what?” On privilege and what we can do about it&quot;&lt;/a&gt;

Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heya,</p>
<p>How about these?</p>
<p><a href="http://community.livejournal.com/feminist/1362470.html" rel="nofollow">12 Helpful Suggestions for Men Regarding Conduct in Feminist Spaces</a></p>
<p><a href="http://colours.mahost.org/org/maleprivilege.html" rel="nofollow">The Male Privilege Checklist</a></p>
<p><a href="http://blog.shrub.com/archives/tekanji/2006-03-08_146" rel="nofollow">“Check my what?” On privilege and what we can do about it&#8221;</a></p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: MariaS</title>
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		<dc:creator>MariaS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 16:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kage: &quot;I’ve been trawling feminist blogs for around three years and have only ever made about half a dozen comments, but learn a lot from troll arguments. I now blame regularly and loudly IRL and often hear myself paraphrasing the witty and wise responses of the wickedly funny women I read online.&quot;

Me too, feminist blogs and their trolls give me invaluable tools to recognise and cut through bullshit and silencing tactics.  Never again will I be sidetracked into appeasement, no more &quot;but I don&#039;t hate men, that wasn&#039;t what I meant all, and oh, I&#039;m sorry, I didn&#039;t mean to offend you, look, let me find a nicer way to say this.&quot;

Dude-coddling links:

&quot;Are you a manarchist?&quot; - 
http://www.anarcha.org/sallydarity/AreyouaManarchist.htm

&quot;How not to be an asshole: a guide for men&quot; - it boils down to STFU. This does not appear to be archived at the current Pandagon location unfortunately. (The post itself is awesome, but I remember being blown away by the comment thread too, by hundreds of women describing the common fear/vigilance that is second nature to us as women out in the world -  we are cautious because it has been drummed into us to take care, but also because we know that really are men out there who rape and kill women.)  
http://web.archive.org/web/20070716111952/http://pandagon.net/2007/04/13/how-to-not-be-an-asshole-a-guide-for-men/

&quot;Occasionally, conversations with my man are instructive&quot; 
http://ilykadamen.blogspot.com/2007/03/occasionally-conversations-with-my-man.html

Book recommendation -
The Gender Knot: Unraveling Our Patriarchal Legacy, by Allan G Johnson. Much of it counters common anti-feminist arguments. I also like the way that his starting point is the patriarchy, and then goes on to discuss feminism&#039;s challenge to it. He does a good job of clearly elucidating the difference and relationships between individuals and systems/societies:

&quot;Patriarchy is not simply another way of saying &quot;men&quot;. Patriarchy is a kind of society, and a society is more than a collection of people. As such, &quot;patriarchy&quot; doesn&#039;t refer to me or any other man or collection of men, but to a kind of society in which men and women participate ... A society is patriarchal to the degree that it promotes male privilege by being male dominated, male identified, and male centered. It is also organized around an obsession with control and involves as one of its aspects the oppression of women.&quot;

Book details:
http://www.temple.edu/tempress/titles/1780_reg_print.html
First chapter downloadable in pdf format:
http://www.temple.edu/tempress/chapters_1100/1339_ch1.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kage: &#8220;I’ve been trawling feminist blogs for around three years and have only ever made about half a dozen comments, but learn a lot from troll arguments. I now blame regularly and loudly IRL and often hear myself paraphrasing the witty and wise responses of the wickedly funny women I read online.&#8221;</p>
<p>Me too, feminist blogs and their trolls give me invaluable tools to recognise and cut through bullshit and silencing tactics.  Never again will I be sidetracked into appeasement, no more &#8220;but I don&#8217;t hate men, that wasn&#8217;t what I meant all, and oh, I&#8217;m sorry, I didn&#8217;t mean to offend you, look, let me find a nicer way to say this.&#8221;</p>
<p>Dude-coddling links:</p>
<p>&#8220;Are you a manarchist?&#8221; &#8211;<br />
<a href="http://www.anarcha.org/sallydarity/AreyouaManarchist.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.anarcha.org/sallydarity/AreyouaManarchist.htm</a></p>
<p>&#8220;How not to be an asshole: a guide for men&#8221; &#8211; it boils down to STFU. This does not appear to be archived at the current Pandagon location unfortunately. (The post itself is awesome, but I remember being blown away by the comment thread too, by hundreds of women describing the common fear/vigilance that is second nature to us as women out in the world &#8211;  we are cautious because it has been drummed into us to take care, but also because we know that really are men out there who rape and kill women.)<br />
<a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20070716111952/http://pandagon.net/2007/04/13/how-to-not-be-an-asshole-a-guide-for-men/" rel="nofollow">http://web.archive.org/web/20070716111952/http://pandagon.net/2007/04/13/how-to-not-be-an-asshole-a-guide-for-men/</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Occasionally, conversations with my man are instructive&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://ilykadamen.blogspot.com/2007/03/occasionally-conversations-with-my-man.html" rel="nofollow">http://ilykadamen.blogspot.com/2007/03/occasionally-conversations-with-my-man.html</a></p>
<p>Book recommendation -<br />
The Gender Knot: Unraveling Our Patriarchal Legacy, by Allan G Johnson. Much of it counters common anti-feminist arguments. I also like the way that his starting point is the patriarchy, and then goes on to discuss feminism&#8217;s challenge to it. He does a good job of clearly elucidating the difference and relationships between individuals and systems/societies:</p>
<p>&#8220;Patriarchy is not simply another way of saying &#8220;men&#8221;. Patriarchy is a kind of society, and a society is more than a collection of people. As such, &#8220;patriarchy&#8221; doesn&#8217;t refer to me or any other man or collection of men, but to a kind of society in which men and women participate &#8230; A society is patriarchal to the degree that it promotes male privilege by being male dominated, male identified, and male centered. It is also organized around an obsession with control and involves as one of its aspects the oppression of women.&#8221;</p>
<p>Book details:<br />
<a href="http://www.temple.edu/tempress/titles/1780_reg_print.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.temple.edu/tempress/titles/1780_reg_print.html</a><br />
First chapter downloadable in pdf format:<br />
<a href="http://www.temple.edu/tempress/chapters_1100/1339_ch1.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.temple.edu/tempress/chapters_1100/1339_ch1.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Gayle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gayle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 00:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Rich, 

I chose that particular comment because I think it gives the clearest explanation of how search optimization works.  Admittedly, &quot;SEO&quot; sounds overly technical.  The &quot;SEO&quot; for my company was a 19 year old intern.  She got other, larger sites from companies in our industry to link to us (by offering to link to them in return) and our Google ranking shot way up for a while, just below the paid positions.  

That was a year or two ago and I&#039;ve noticed it doesn&#039;t work so well anymore.  (We have sunk back down, darn it!)  Probably because just about every company does it now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Rich, </p>
<p>I chose that particular comment because I think it gives the clearest explanation of how search optimization works.  Admittedly, &#8220;SEO&#8221; sounds overly technical.  The &#8220;SEO&#8221; for my company was a 19 year old intern.  She got other, larger sites from companies in our industry to link to us (by offering to link to them in return) and our Google ranking shot way up for a while, just below the paid positions.  </p>
<p>That was a year or two ago and I&#8217;ve noticed it doesn&#8217;t work so well anymore.  (We have sunk back down, darn it!)  Probably because just about every company does it now.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 23:37:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;So what these “SEO’s” (search engine optimizers) do,&quot;

Strictly speaking, the person or party that bought Amptoons isn&#039;t a SEO or anything close to a SEO. (Which is a thirdparty consultant who tries to increase someone else&#039;s web presence: they don&#039;t buy crap for themselves). The &quot;Buyer&quot; in this case is more accurately described as an &quot;affiliate&quot; who makes money by referring others to websites and gets paid if someone signs up for a service through that path.

This is a minor point, but the &quot;it&#039;s an SEO&quot; thing was a rhetorical weapon used in the debate over the sale that gave defenders of Deutsch masculine power (&quot;no big deal that a SEO is helping one porno guy beat other porno guys at the racket!&quot;) of a sort over those who didn&#039;t have access to that rhetoric, borrowed from TECH DOODS who really didn&#039;t even have a clue what they were talking about!

It&#039;s really unclear HOW exactly these people are making money off the website (they seem really bad at it actually, so bad as to convince some women that Barry Deutsch sold the website to &quot;himself&quot; and the porn links are actually his and the story about the random business deal giving him cash money was a bunch of baloney.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So what these “SEO’s” (search engine optimizers) do,&#8221;</p>
<p>Strictly speaking, the person or party that bought Amptoons isn&#8217;t a SEO or anything close to a SEO. (Which is a thirdparty consultant who tries to increase someone else&#8217;s web presence: they don&#8217;t buy crap for themselves). The &#8220;Buyer&#8221; in this case is more accurately described as an &#8220;affiliate&#8221; who makes money by referring others to websites and gets paid if someone signs up for a service through that path.</p>
<p>This is a minor point, but the &#8220;it&#8217;s an SEO&#8221; thing was a rhetorical weapon used in the debate over the sale that gave defenders of Deutsch masculine power (&#8220;no big deal that a SEO is helping one porno guy beat other porno guys at the racket!&#8221;) of a sort over those who didn&#8217;t have access to that rhetoric, borrowed from TECH DOODS who really didn&#8217;t even have a clue what they were talking about!</p>
<p>It&#8217;s really unclear HOW exactly these people are making money off the website (they seem really bad at it actually, so bad as to convince some women that Barry Deutsch sold the website to &#8220;himself&#8221; and the porn links are actually his and the story about the random business deal giving him cash money was a bunch of baloney.)</p>
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		<title>By: Twisty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Twisty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 20:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for clearing up that mystery, folks. Delinking now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for clearing up that mystery, folks. Delinking now.</p>
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		<title>By: Gayle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gayle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 16:33:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Only semi-related: correct if wrong, but a blog owner only collects $$$ when a reader actually clicks on an ad, right?&quot;

I have no idea how Amp himself gets paid, but the pornographers who bought his site bought it specifically for his incoming links.  Links that came from feminist sites, no less:

    &quot;The idea behind the outgoing porn link is that Google ranks websites based on “authority”. The more your site is linked to by other sites - especially from already established, high-authority sites - the higher its perceived “authority” on a subject; hence the higher your site will be ranked on Google for various search phrases.

    So what these “SEO’s” (search engine optimizers) do, is they buy links from high authority sites to try to raise the authority of their new/low-ranked/spam sites. And as internet profit goes, porn sells like nothing else.

    When it comes to porn, you don’t need anything resembling content, you just need A) naked women; and B) for people to actually choose your site over the millions and millions of others. Which is why someone would attach a monetary value to links from a site like Ampersand’s, which obviously has a high authority, having been linked to over and over again by other respected sites.

    So yes, he absolutely, positively built a site that achieved a monetary value based largely on feminist support and based on that value, sold it to porn spammers.&quot;

http://www.womensspace.org/phpBB2/2006/10/12/pimp-my-domain-for-dummies-not-mysterious/

Sorry about the messy link.  I don&#039;t have my HTML cheat sheet on me here at work and I seem to screw up links without it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Only semi-related: correct if wrong, but a blog owner only collects $$$ when a reader actually clicks on an ad, right?&#8221;</p>
<p>I have no idea how Amp himself gets paid, but the pornographers who bought his site bought it specifically for his incoming links.  Links that came from feminist sites, no less:</p>
<p>    &#8220;The idea behind the outgoing porn link is that Google ranks websites based on “authority”. The more your site is linked to by other sites &#8211; especially from already established, high-authority sites &#8211; the higher its perceived “authority” on a subject; hence the higher your site will be ranked on Google for various search phrases.</p>
<p>    So what these “SEO’s” (search engine optimizers) do, is they buy links from high authority sites to try to raise the authority of their new/low-ranked/spam sites. And as internet profit goes, porn sells like nothing else.</p>
<p>    When it comes to porn, you don’t need anything resembling content, you just need A) naked women; and B) for people to actually choose your site over the millions and millions of others. Which is why someone would attach a monetary value to links from a site like Ampersand’s, which obviously has a high authority, having been linked to over and over again by other respected sites.</p>
<p>    So yes, he absolutely, positively built a site that achieved a monetary value based largely on feminist support and based on that value, sold it to porn spammers.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.womensspace.org/phpBB2/2006/10/12/pimp-my-domain-for-dummies-not-mysterious/" rel="nofollow">http://www.womensspace.org/phpBB2/2006/10/12/pimp-my-domain-for-dummies-not-mysterious/</a></p>
<p>Sorry about the messy link.  I don&#8217;t have my HTML cheat sheet on me here at work and I seem to screw up links without it.</p>
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		<title>By: Igor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Igor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 14:27:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I think you’re correct, Twisty. As long as we don’t click on the porn link, I don’t think that we’re providing any income for the blog owner.&quot;

It&#039;s not about clicks at all. It&#039;s about links existing, period. It&#039;s funny, but it was men who spread this sort of misinformation when the news about Amptoons came out and everyone believed them just because they were men -- er, feminist men.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I think you’re correct, Twisty. As long as we don’t click on the porn link, I don’t think that we’re providing any income for the blog owner.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not about clicks at all. It&#8217;s about links existing, period. It&#8217;s funny, but it was men who spread this sort of misinformation when the news about Amptoons came out and everyone believed them just because they were men &#8212; er, feminist men.</p>
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		<title>By: thebewilderness</title>
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		<dc:creator>thebewilderness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 02:56:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The interesting thing about the dood feminists like Amp is that he ripped off a woman&#039;s work put his name on it then ripped off some other women&#039;s words to enhance the work. What a dood, eh?
And a porn sockpuppet as well. Criminy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The interesting thing about the dood feminists like Amp is that he ripped off a woman&#8217;s work put his name on it then ripped off some other women&#8217;s words to enhance the work. What a dood, eh?<br />
And a porn sockpuppet as well. Criminy.</p>
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