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	<title>Comments on: Knobbery in Seattle</title>
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		<title>By: K.A.</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/08/09/knobbery-in-seattle/#comment-127106</link>
		<dc:creator>K.A.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 20:58:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Twisty, this may be the wrong place, but I don&#039;t know where else to put this, and I am really pissed off. From a NY Times article about British doltery while vacationing internationally:

&lt;i&gt;They are also hurting themselves in the process. A recent report published by the British Foreign Office, “British Behavior Abroad,” noted that in a 12-month period in 2006 and 2007, 602 Britons were hospitalized and &lt;b&gt;28 raped in Greece&lt;/b&gt;, and that 1,591 died in Spain and 2,032 were arrested there.&lt;/i&gt;

Those stupid lecherous British women are always hurting themselves by getting raped and shit. When will all those stupid women come around and stop raping themselves already?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Twisty, this may be the wrong place, but I don&#8217;t know where else to put this, and I am really pissed off. From a NY Times article about British doltery while vacationing internationally:</p>
<p><i>They are also hurting themselves in the process. A recent report published by the British Foreign Office, “British Behavior Abroad,” noted that in a 12-month period in 2006 and 2007, 602 Britons were hospitalized and <b>28 raped in Greece</b>, and that 1,591 died in Spain and 2,032 were arrested there.</i></p>
<p>Those stupid lecherous British women are always hurting themselves by getting raped and shit. When will all those stupid women come around and stop raping themselves already?</p>
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		<title>By: Anarcha-Feminist Superstar</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/08/09/knobbery-in-seattle/#comment-125901</link>
		<dc:creator>Anarcha-Feminist Superstar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 11:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The article on King5&#039;s website was written by a woman named Deborah Feldman and makes basically the same mistakes.It can be found here: 

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.king5.com/localnews/stories/NW_080508WAB_men_charged_prostitution_KS.1a804ea8.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; http://www.king5.com/localnews/stories/NW_080508WAB_men_charged_prostitution_KS.1a804ea8.html&lt;/a&gt;

King5 makes themselves very difficult to reach. The contact link is on this page. Choose whether you want to yell at them for the story or for the article: 

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.king5.com/helpcenter/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; http://www.king5.com/helpcenter/&lt;/a&gt;

Finally, the proper phone number is (206) 448-5555. I&#039;m sure they&#039;d love y&#039;alls opinions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article on King5&#8217;s website was written by a woman named Deborah Feldman and makes basically the same mistakes.It can be found here: </p>
<p><a href="http://www.king5.com/localnews/stories/NW_080508WAB_men_charged_prostitution_KS.1a804ea8.html" rel="nofollow"> </a><a href="http://www.king5.com/localnews/stories/NW_080508WAB_men_charged_prostitution_KS.1a804ea8.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.king5.com/localnews/stories/NW_080508WAB_men_charged_prostitution_KS.1a804ea8.html</a></p>
<p>King5 makes themselves very difficult to reach. The contact link is on this page. Choose whether you want to yell at them for the story or for the article: </p>
<p><a href="http://www.king5.com/helpcenter/" rel="nofollow"> </a><a href="http://www.king5.com/helpcenter/" rel="nofollow">http://www.king5.com/helpcenter/</a></p>
<p>Finally, the proper phone number is (206) 448-5555. I&#8217;m sure they&#8217;d love y&#8217;alls opinions.</p>
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		<title>By: figleaf</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/08/09/knobbery-in-seattle/#comment-125882</link>
		<dc:creator>figleaf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 07:26:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If one rapist can get another rapist to pay him for the right to rape a girl, she’s suddenly ‘engaged in prostitution’.  You know, the same way cattle are engaged in the meatpacking industry.&quot;

Nicely put, Justme, except I&#039;d add &quot;...she&#039;s suddenly &#039;engaged in prostitution&#039; and therefore the &#039;customers&#039; magically stop being pedophiles having sex with minors.&quot;

Which I&#039;d have thought would be the *real* story, especially given the findings in Debra Boyer&#039;s recently released &quot;Who Pays the Price? Assessment of Youth Involvement in Prostitution in Seattle.&quot;

figleaf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If one rapist can get another rapist to pay him for the right to rape a girl, she’s suddenly ‘engaged in prostitution’.  You know, the same way cattle are engaged in the meatpacking industry.&#8221;</p>
<p>Nicely put, Justme, except I&#8217;d add &#8220;&#8230;she&#8217;s suddenly &#8216;engaged in prostitution&#8217; and therefore the &#8216;customers&#8217; magically stop being pedophiles having sex with minors.&#8221;</p>
<p>Which I&#8217;d have thought would be the *real* story, especially given the findings in Debra Boyer&#8217;s recently released &#8220;Who Pays the Price? Assessment of Youth Involvement in Prostitution in Seattle.&#8221;</p>
<p>figleaf</p>
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		<title>By: figleaf</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/08/09/knobbery-in-seattle/#comment-125879</link>
		<dc:creator>figleaf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 07:15:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...Happy hookers don’t get a special immunity-from-patriarchy pass.&quot;  We might disagree about some things but not that.  Just because I think prostitution ought to be legal doesn&#039;t mean I think it&#039;s a good idea.  Maybe under some other dominant paradigm but not this one.

Also, sorry if I painted you as a &quot;people who,&quot; Twisty.  I&#039;ve been reading up on the original &quot;white slavery&quot; laws lately and it&#039;s had me out of sorts.  The common perception of prostitutes-as-thralls was used as a *defense* by early 20th-Century traffickers and pimps.  The trick being to get the prostituted victim on the stand and demonstrate that if she wasn&#039;t completely mindless then prostitution had to have been her idea.  (The trick worked well enough that judges sometimes scolded juries for acquitting pimps.)  And so whether they&#039;re for it (pimps, customers) or against it (evangelicals, scandal-sheet journalists, slasher-movie writers) I&#039;m just a little impatient with folks who keep pushing that &quot;fallen-and-she-can&#039;t-get-up&quot; view of prostitution.  They make what&#039;s too often a bad situation worse.

figleaf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;Happy hookers don’t get a special immunity-from-patriarchy pass.&#8221;  We might disagree about some things but not that.  Just because I think prostitution ought to be legal doesn&#8217;t mean I think it&#8217;s a good idea.  Maybe under some other dominant paradigm but not this one.</p>
<p>Also, sorry if I painted you as a &#8220;people who,&#8221; Twisty.  I&#8217;ve been reading up on the original &#8220;white slavery&#8221; laws lately and it&#8217;s had me out of sorts.  The common perception of prostitutes-as-thralls was used as a *defense* by early 20th-Century traffickers and pimps.  The trick being to get the prostituted victim on the stand and demonstrate that if she wasn&#8217;t completely mindless then prostitution had to have been her idea.  (The trick worked well enough that judges sometimes scolded juries for acquitting pimps.)  And so whether they&#8217;re for it (pimps, customers) or against it (evangelicals, scandal-sheet journalists, slasher-movie writers) I&#8217;m just a little impatient with folks who keep pushing that &#8220;fallen-and-she-can&#8217;t-get-up&#8221; view of prostitution.  They make what&#8217;s too often a bad situation worse.</p>
<p>figleaf</p>
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		<title>By: Feminist Law Professors &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Crime and Punishment</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/08/09/knobbery-in-seattle/#comment-125857</link>
		<dc:creator>Feminist Law Professors &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Crime and Punishment</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 03:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] (Via.) Prospective help for the victim and people like her. (See also.) Support the Trafficking Victims [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] (Via.) Prospective help for the victim and people like her. (See also.) Support the Trafficking Victims [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Justme</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/08/09/knobbery-in-seattle/#comment-125818</link>
		<dc:creator>Justme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 18:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A persistently depressing rule of how child rape and law works; if one rapist can get another rapist to pay him for the right to rape a girl, she&#039;s suddenly &#039;engaged in prostitution&#039;.

You know, the same way cattle are engaged in the meatpacking industry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A persistently depressing rule of how child rape and law works; if one rapist can get another rapist to pay him for the right to rape a girl, she&#8217;s suddenly &#8216;engaged in prostitution&#8217;.</p>
<p>You know, the same way cattle are engaged in the meatpacking industry.</p>
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		<title>By: Kali</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Oh come on. I have never portrayed a prostituted woman as a “mindless, will-less sap” in my life.&lt;/i&gt;

The trick to let the perpetrator off the hook is to turn &quot;victim&quot; into a bad word. In this trick being victimized means being a &quot;mindless, will-less sap&quot;. Having shamed the victims into denying their victimization, the perpetrators are magically disappeared.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Oh come on. I have never portrayed a prostituted woman as a “mindless, will-less sap” in my life.</i></p>
<p>The trick to let the perpetrator off the hook is to turn &#8220;victim&#8221; into a bad word. In this trick being victimized means being a &#8220;mindless, will-less sap&#8221;. Having shamed the victims into denying their victimization, the perpetrators are magically disappeared.</p>
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		<title>By: Twisty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Twisty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 12:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Figleaf:&quot;[E]ven those of us who think it might not be a great idea to portray every woman who’s ever been in sex work as an idealized patriarchette (i.e. mindless, will-less saps) [...]&quot;

Oh come on. I have never portrayed a prostituted woman as a &quot;mindless, will-less sap&quot; in my life. My argument is this, and this alone: &lt;em&gt;no&lt;/em&gt; woman has full human agency or personal bodily sovereignty in this world. Happy hookers don&#039;t get a special immunity-from-patriarchy pass any more than mothers or teachers or presidential candidates do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Figleaf:&#8221;[E]ven those of us who think it might not be a great idea to portray every woman who’s ever been in sex work as an idealized patriarchette (i.e. mindless, will-less saps) [...]&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh come on. I have never portrayed a prostituted woman as a &#8220;mindless, will-less sap&#8221; in my life. My argument is this, and this alone: <em>no</em> woman has full human agency or personal bodily sovereignty in this world. Happy hookers don&#8217;t get a special immunity-from-patriarchy pass any more than mothers or teachers or presidential candidates do.</p>
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		<title>By: SoJo</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/08/09/knobbery-in-seattle/#comment-125737</link>
		<dc:creator>SoJo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 04:53:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been subjected to the sounds of my neighbours disgusting hetero prodding at 4am for the last few days and I stand by Twisty, no matter your age or circumstance, no one consents to that shit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been subjected to the sounds of my neighbours disgusting hetero prodding at 4am for the last few days and I stand by Twisty, no matter your age or circumstance, no one consents to that shit.</p>
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		<title>By: Amananta</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/08/09/knobbery-in-seattle/#comment-125729</link>
		<dc:creator>Amananta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 02:45:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Didn&#039;t you know?  Any properly virtuous girl would gladly part part with her life, or just trust in God to save her or her family, rather than &quot;willingly&quot; submit to sexual advances.  They worked a yes out, that counts as consent, right?
Oh and don&#039;t forget, if they are past puberty they aren&#039;t really children anymore!  Our lord and master evolutionary psychology professors can tell us - men are just &quot;naturally&quot; attracted to younger women who can breed!  Fourteen is old enough!  Why would we want to restrict her budding sexuality!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Didn&#8217;t you know?  Any properly virtuous girl would gladly part part with her life, or just trust in God to save her or her family, rather than &#8220;willingly&#8221; submit to sexual advances.  They worked a yes out, that counts as consent, right?<br />
Oh and don&#8217;t forget, if they are past puberty they aren&#8217;t really children anymore!  Our lord and master evolutionary psychology professors can tell us &#8211; men are just &#8220;naturally&#8221; attracted to younger women who can breed!  Fourteen is old enough!  Why would we want to restrict her budding sexuality!</p>
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