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		<title>By: Hedgepig</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/08/19/cardboard-jungle-causes-smoking/#comment-136271</link>
		<dc:creator>Hedgepig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 22:23:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve decided this is the place to share my somewhat embarrassing story. Partly because it is such an old thread my contribution may never be read anyway, but also because I think it illustrates how obsessed with weight is our society.
I have always been skinny. For most of my life I have eaten almost no fresh green veges and fruit, just lots of refined carbs and sugary stuff and meat and potatoes. Of course, all around me I heard the instruction to eat healthily because...wait for it..&quot;you&#039;ll lose weight&quot;. Well I didn&#039;t want to lose weight, I wanted to put it on in the right places so boys would like me. So I kept eating crap and wondered why I spent my whole 20s feeling depressed with no energy and chronic constipation and a raft of other health problems. AND I never grew tits so boys would like me. Meanwhile I had heaps of generously sized friends who ran rings around me in the energy, vitality and life achievement stakes, but society seemed to be telling THEM to change their eating habits, not me. 

Then, quite by accident, I heard about someone who started eating more healthily and FELT BETTER. No mention of weight loss. It was an a-ha moment. So I ate some broccoli, stopped eating pasta and potatoes and a family sized block of Crunch every night and, remarkably, had heaps more energy and felt more cheerful. I still had no tits and boys still didn&#039;t like me, but I&#039;d learnt a valuable lesson. Our society is so obsessed with weight loss that &quot;health&quot; has become synonymous with &quot;thinness&quot;, to the point where one skinny, unhealthy person could get well into adulthood before realising there was a connection between eating rubbish and feeling rubbish. 

Of course, I might just be a tad slow. But I still blame the patriarchy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve decided this is the place to share my somewhat embarrassing story. Partly because it is such an old thread my contribution may never be read anyway, but also because I think it illustrates how obsessed with weight is our society.<br />
I have always been skinny. For most of my life I have eaten almost no fresh green veges and fruit, just lots of refined carbs and sugary stuff and meat and potatoes. Of course, all around me I heard the instruction to eat healthily because&#8230;wait for it..&#8221;you&#8217;ll lose weight&#8221;. Well I didn&#8217;t want to lose weight, I wanted to put it on in the right places so boys would like me. So I kept eating crap and wondered why I spent my whole 20s feeling depressed with no energy and chronic constipation and a raft of other health problems. AND I never grew tits so boys would like me. Meanwhile I had heaps of generously sized friends who ran rings around me in the energy, vitality and life achievement stakes, but society seemed to be telling THEM to change their eating habits, not me. </p>
<p>Then, quite by accident, I heard about someone who started eating more healthily and FELT BETTER. No mention of weight loss. It was an a-ha moment. So I ate some broccoli, stopped eating pasta and potatoes and a family sized block of Crunch every night and, remarkably, had heaps more energy and felt more cheerful. I still had no tits and boys still didn&#8217;t like me, but I&#8217;d learnt a valuable lesson. Our society is so obsessed with weight loss that &#8220;health&#8221; has become synonymous with &#8220;thinness&#8221;, to the point where one skinny, unhealthy person could get well into adulthood before realising there was a connection between eating rubbish and feeling rubbish. </p>
<p>Of course, I might just be a tad slow. But I still blame the patriarchy.</p>
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		<title>By: Dana</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/08/19/cardboard-jungle-causes-smoking/#comment-127777</link>
		<dc:creator>Dana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 00:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FYI, several people here have mentioned fatness in the context of what you said about health morality, and I found out something interesting not long ago.  It seems that fatness is ONLY associated with greater mortality rates IF it is accompanied by diabetes.

People who are obese are marginally more likely to become type 2 diabetic but only because obesity is ONE symptom of insulin resistance, a precursor condition to type 2.  However, you can be skinny and be insulin resistant, and there are plenty of thin people out there with unpleasant symptoms and bad lab values in their futures, and I&#039;m sure they&#039;ll have no frigging idea why.  That stuff only happens to *fat* people!

Just underscores what happens when you scapegoat an entire people and let yourself believe crap just because experts say it.  The facts become obscured and of those health factors over which you DO have control, you can&#039;t control them because you don&#039;t know how.

If I&#039;d known fifteen years ago that the low-fat craze was bullshit and that pasta would destroy my glucose metabolism I would be in a very different place today.

As for cancer, pollution and the use of hormone mimics in damn near everything we touch are at least as responsible for the increase in cancer rates as anything the sufferers have done in their lives.  Once again, obfuscation of the facts is killing people, and of course IBTP for all the pollution going on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FYI, several people here have mentioned fatness in the context of what you said about health morality, and I found out something interesting not long ago.  It seems that fatness is ONLY associated with greater mortality rates IF it is accompanied by diabetes.</p>
<p>People who are obese are marginally more likely to become type 2 diabetic but only because obesity is ONE symptom of insulin resistance, a precursor condition to type 2.  However, you can be skinny and be insulin resistant, and there are plenty of thin people out there with unpleasant symptoms and bad lab values in their futures, and I&#8217;m sure they&#8217;ll have no frigging idea why.  That stuff only happens to *fat* people!</p>
<p>Just underscores what happens when you scapegoat an entire people and let yourself believe crap just because experts say it.  The facts become obscured and of those health factors over which you DO have control, you can&#8217;t control them because you don&#8217;t know how.</p>
<p>If I&#8217;d known fifteen years ago that the low-fat craze was bullshit and that pasta would destroy my glucose metabolism I would be in a very different place today.</p>
<p>As for cancer, pollution and the use of hormone mimics in damn near everything we touch are at least as responsible for the increase in cancer rates as anything the sufferers have done in their lives.  Once again, obfuscation of the facts is killing people, and of course IBTP for all the pollution going on.</p>
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		<title>By: firefall</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/08/19/cardboard-jungle-causes-smoking/#comment-127305</link>
		<dc:creator>firefall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:40:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Enfin, a post I feel qualified to comment on - you&#039;ll find if you visit  the Uhaulists on a Thursday morning, there will be &lt;b&gt;four&lt;/b&gt; of them, only one being qualified to rent out a truck, but all of whom are required to assist that one with comment, instruction, and extended stories about their lovelife or lack thereof, so even without any queue at all, the process &lt;i&gt;still&lt;/i&gt; takes 25 minutes.

As for Chantix, I can&#039;t personally say, having given up with other methods, but it certainly raises a tidal wave of depression in my wife when she tries it, so rejoice in your singularity, and make the most of it: and good luck with it.

As to why give up, eh well ... my father was youngest of 13, all of whom smoked heavily (and still do, in the case of the 5 remaining), and of them all, only he has died of smoking-related disease yet (emphysema), so perhaps the odds of cancer may be somewhat skewed: however, knowing my luck, I figure I&#039;ll be the one to even up statistics if I continue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Enfin, a post I feel qualified to comment on &#8211; you&#8217;ll find if you visit  the Uhaulists on a Thursday morning, there will be <b>four</b> of them, only one being qualified to rent out a truck, but all of whom are required to assist that one with comment, instruction, and extended stories about their lovelife or lack thereof, so even without any queue at all, the process <i>still</i> takes 25 minutes.</p>
<p>As for Chantix, I can&#8217;t personally say, having given up with other methods, but it certainly raises a tidal wave of depression in my wife when she tries it, so rejoice in your singularity, and make the most of it: and good luck with it.</p>
<p>As to why give up, eh well &#8230; my father was youngest of 13, all of whom smoked heavily (and still do, in the case of the 5 remaining), and of them all, only he has died of smoking-related disease yet (emphysema), so perhaps the odds of cancer may be somewhat skewed: however, knowing my luck, I figure I&#8217;ll be the one to even up statistics if I continue.</p>
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		<title>By: lightly</title>
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		<dc:creator>lightly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:33:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Twisty, if you curious about a group of fundies gearing up to call fat immoral, do I have a writer for you.

Marilynne Richardson is the writer. The book is called (and won&#039;t Twisty love this) The Death of Adam.

I&#039;m halfway through Richardson&#039;s essay called Prigs and Puritans. She notes that original Puritans didn&#039;t think some things were important enough to be moral issues. John Calvin called them &quot;things indifferent&quot;. Seems to me Christians who want to make dieting a moral issue have gone off the rails even by strict Calvinist standards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Twisty, if you curious about a group of fundies gearing up to call fat immoral, do I have a writer for you.</p>
<p>Marilynne Richardson is the writer. The book is called (and won&#8217;t Twisty love this) The Death of Adam.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m halfway through Richardson&#8217;s essay called Prigs and Puritans. She notes that original Puritans didn&#8217;t think some things were important enough to be moral issues. John Calvin called them &#8220;things indifferent&#8221;. Seems to me Christians who want to make dieting a moral issue have gone off the rails even by strict Calvinist standards.</p>
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		<title>By: dizzywhizzy</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/08/19/cardboard-jungle-causes-smoking/#comment-127239</link>
		<dc:creator>dizzywhizzy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 03:17:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I smoke, I love to smoke. In an effort to not support the megatheocracy I have turned to cigs manufactured by Native Americans. Whatever, I am a cowgirls at heart and miss the Marlboro man billboards. I do my part and stay away from the &quot;reds&quot; as much as possible. Someone I care for deeply asked me today &quot;if I was to be diagnosed with the big C would I quit...?&quot; My answer was flippant at best, why stop then. I got to thinking as I continued to shovel manure, that if a diagnosis would make me stop, why not stop before. In my wacked mind I decided that I would either get it or not. With my luck, I  would struggle for months (for the gazzilionth time) to quit smoking, be miserable, longing continuously for the catch in my throat as I inhale, and get hit by a tractor trailer. My grandmother smoked forever, (60 years or so) and died peacefully in her sleep. She did have emphysema (sp?)at the end, but still snuck behind the backs of all the peeps that decided they needed to run her life for her. My dad understood that for her, smoking was the bomb. he slipped her a pack once a week. Smoking put her in her happy place. She died at 83 years of age. Love you mucho Yaya</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I smoke, I love to smoke. In an effort to not support the megatheocracy I have turned to cigs manufactured by Native Americans. Whatever, I am a cowgirls at heart and miss the Marlboro man billboards. I do my part and stay away from the &#8220;reds&#8221; as much as possible. Someone I care for deeply asked me today &#8220;if I was to be diagnosed with the big C would I quit&#8230;?&#8221; My answer was flippant at best, why stop then. I got to thinking as I continued to shovel manure, that if a diagnosis would make me stop, why not stop before. In my wacked mind I decided that I would either get it or not. With my luck, I  would struggle for months (for the gazzilionth time) to quit smoking, be miserable, longing continuously for the catch in my throat as I inhale, and get hit by a tractor trailer. My grandmother smoked forever, (60 years or so) and died peacefully in her sleep. She did have emphysema (sp?)at the end, but still snuck behind the backs of all the peeps that decided they needed to run her life for her. My dad understood that for her, smoking was the bomb. he slipped her a pack once a week. Smoking put her in her happy place. She died at 83 years of age. Love you mucho Yaya</p>
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		<title>By: Theriomorph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Theriomorph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Echo the I. Love. You.

And thanks, I needed that today: have spent the entire week interacting with people straight out of the &#039;50&#039;s for a class I&#039;m teaching this year at a college where the students are pretty great but the entrenched faculty/staff culture is Stepford. The result: wanting to tell the sanctimonious, arrogant, privileged, classist, hypervigilant arbiters of other people&#039;s behavior to go have a f*cking cigarette for dog&#039;s sake (preferably right in front of the 600% mark-up Co-op). 

Have a beer, too. Or a pint of ice cream.

And when you come around to the fact that mortality is inescapable even for you, and cancer is not a moral issue, and in fact judging other people&#039;s behavior will not keep you alive or healthy any longer than you would otherwise, try out some inventive curses. Good and loud.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Echo the I. Love. You.</p>
<p>And thanks, I needed that today: have spent the entire week interacting with people straight out of the &#8217;50&#8217;s for a class I&#8217;m teaching this year at a college where the students are pretty great but the entrenched faculty/staff culture is Stepford. The result: wanting to tell the sanctimonious, arrogant, privileged, classist, hypervigilant arbiters of other people&#8217;s behavior to go have a f*cking cigarette for dog&#8217;s sake (preferably right in front of the 600% mark-up Co-op). </p>
<p>Have a beer, too. Or a pint of ice cream.</p>
<p>And when you come around to the fact that mortality is inescapable even for you, and cancer is not a moral issue, and in fact judging other people&#8217;s behavior will not keep you alive or healthy any longer than you would otherwise, try out some inventive curses. Good and loud.</p>
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		<title>By: peggynature</title>
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		<dc:creator>peggynature</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 17:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have only one thing to say to you, Twisty, and it is that I love you ardently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have only one thing to say to you, Twisty, and it is that I love you ardently.</p>
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		<title>By: Cimorene</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cimorene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 05:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Crap on a cracker, there are too many variables for health to be a Moral Issue. Anyone who disagrees will have to pry the deep-fried Twinkie I consumed at last week’s county fair from my cold, dead hands. &quot;

No offense, but that&#039;s just disgusting.

The deep fried Oreos were sooooo much better.  Only problem is they don&#039;t sell ice cold milk by the glass at county fairs.  Curses!

And now I&#039;m really craving some hot mushy oreo mush   fried dough dipped in chocolate sauce.  Ahhhh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Crap on a cracker, there are too many variables for health to be a Moral Issue. Anyone who disagrees will have to pry the deep-fried Twinkie I consumed at last week’s county fair from my cold, dead hands. &#8221;</p>
<p>No offense, but that&#8217;s just disgusting.</p>
<p>The deep fried Oreos were sooooo much better.  Only problem is they don&#8217;t sell ice cold milk by the glass at county fairs.  Curses!</p>
<p>And now I&#8217;m really craving some hot mushy oreo mush   fried dough dipped in chocolate sauce.  Ahhhh.</p>
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		<title>By: ma'am</title>
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		<dc:creator>ma'am</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 20:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This idea (that you are to blame for whatever cancer or sickness may ultimately get you) is simply because the average schmuck cannot deal with the idea that they are going to die.  I lost my dad last year.  He smoked.  His brother is thoroughly convinced that smoking was the cause, as if Big Bad Death isn&#039;t coming to get him too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This idea (that you are to blame for whatever cancer or sickness may ultimately get you) is simply because the average schmuck cannot deal with the idea that they are going to die.  I lost my dad last year.  He smoked.  His brother is thoroughly convinced that smoking was the cause, as if Big Bad Death isn&#8217;t coming to get him too.</p>
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		<title>By: narya</title>
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		<dc:creator>narya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, part of the reason I quit smoking, lo those many years ago, was precisely because I had gotten damn sick and tired of cigarette company advertising, and their pretending that their product doesn&#039;t cause all manner of disease, and I was tired of lending my support to the industry. And, because I&#039;m weird, another reason was because I realized just how addicted I was, and I was getting tired of so much of my life being ruled by that addiction.

I realize these are not normal reasons. And I also do not Blame individual smokers. I still BTP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, part of the reason I quit smoking, lo those many years ago, was precisely because I had gotten damn sick and tired of cigarette company advertising, and their pretending that their product doesn&#8217;t cause all manner of disease, and I was tired of lending my support to the industry. And, because I&#8217;m weird, another reason was because I realized just how addicted I was, and I was getting tired of so much of my life being ruled by that addiction.</p>
<p>I realize these are not normal reasons. And I also do not Blame individual smokers. I still BTP.</p>
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