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Aug 20 2008

Aussie mining town seeks ugly women

The seriously impaired mayor of Mount Isa is marketing a dude-heavy gender ratio disparity in his Australian outback town as an opportunity for “beauty disadvantaged women.” His idea is that female “ugly ducklings” can utilize the 5-to-1 male outnumberment to “transfer themselves with love and devotion” from hideous lesions on the face of eternity into things that somebody actually wants. Because those Mount Isa guys are desperate, man; they’ll fuck anything at this point, even ugly chicks. Which, maintains the mayor, the ugly chicks should take as a compliment.

Naturally, when some women staged a rally to protest the mayor’s Neanderthal misogynist hate speech, his response was to suggest that they were all “beauty disadvantaged” themselves and only wanted to take it out on him.

Also noteworthy, but certainly not surprising, is the outcry from Mount Isa’s male element. Sterling examples of their species all, they take great exception to the mayor’s suggestion that they would even consider settling for receptacles that did not sufficiently exhibit patriarchy-approved bodaciousness. The men of Mount Isa have their standards, dammit, and they are precisely in line with the Hollywood pornocracy’s femininity mandate. They resent the implication that they would be willing to sully their glittering, top-shelf dongs with sub-par meatsocks.

The Twisty jaw is agape.

[Thanks, Slashy]

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  1. mir

    “.. transfer themselves with love and devotion in marriage from an ugly ducking to a beautiful swan. It can have a complete transformation for a woman.”

    Bwahaha. My anecdotal experience of heterosexual marriage/baby-making is that it takes a perfectly primed woman on the cusp of realizing her self-ness and grinds her down. GRINDS HER DOWN. Het marriage exhausted and taxed me, leaving me smaller, sadder, and, when I woke up seventeen years later, befuddled at the tired, bleak, resentful creature I had been “transformed” into.

    Dude wants women juicily full of love and devotion? He should fund programs that teach young het women to steer well clear of indentured servitude to hearth/home/husband until they’re old enough and wise enough to retain their inner strength while they do it.

    The patriarchy is short-sighted when it comes to inner happiness. I, of course, blame it.

  2. Antoinette Niebieszczanski

    “glittering, top-shelf dongs”

    You’re conjuring up strange images in my brain here. In technicolor!

  3. AngryYoungFemme

    Wait, so he didn’t attend the rally and yet he can judge the women he didn’t see/meet as being “beauty disadvantaged?” He’s like Colonel Patriarchy, and bingo! for “feminist women are ugly” rant–you ladies don’t like what I’m saying? You must be UGLY!

    He’s all, wait, don’t be mad at me, I’m just saying it like it is, yo! Other people (men) all over the world agree with me!

    Who the fuck cares about what people on the other side of the world think? They aren’t his constituency. What a fucking cock. I mean, really, what did he expect when he said this tripe? That the people in his town would worship him? And thanks for pointing out how everyone’s all upset, mainly, because they know that non-beauty IS a disadvantage under the patriarchy: wait, wait! I’m patriarchy approved! And our guys wouldn’t dain to date non-patriarchy approved goods!

    It’s like one big patriarchal puss-soup.

  4. larkspur

    Hey, sounds like fun. I’m gonna break out my slimiest burlap and blood-larvae gown, rub bear grease into my hair, sling a rifle over my shoulder, and clasp an aphid-infested bouquet of dying posies in my work-strong paws. Main Street, Mount Isa, get ready! These boots are made for stomping. I’ve never been in a pageant before, not even a Pageant of One.

    Maybe I should sling the bouquet over my shoulder and carry the rifle. Yup. I’m ready. Get me my parachute, I’m goin’ in.

  5. Helen

    Huh. After such a raging display of townwide homosocial dudeliness, they actually wonder why there aren’t more women?

  6. lawbitch

    Let me guess. Mayor Fuckneck is a real adonis, right? Riiiight.

  7. Antoinette Niebieszczanski

    Lawbitch, you oughtta know by now that even if Mayor F*neck is so ugly he could scare a hungry dog off a meat truck, he is entitled to hawtest, most pornalicious babe he can hornswoggle into bedding down with him.

  8. Megan

    Oh mir, it’s so true. Luckily divorce is equally transformative.

    My novice-blaming partner came home from work one day having observed that he works with a lot of divorcé(e)s. ‘The women,’ he remarked, ‘seem vital, and like they’ve discovered a renewed zest for life. They’re going out and getting involved in things they’ve always wanted to do. While the men look like they’ve lost the will to live.’

    Which remark, actually, made me grin from ear to ear. For so many women, the realization that they are human beings and deserve to get free of het-marriage-systems that have been grinding them down, but it does come. And its effects on the ‘natural order’ are so startling that even the blaming-impaired remark them.

  9. Megan

    whoops — ‘the realization [yadda yadda] comes late, but it does come.’

  10. Maren

    Larkspur, are you a former vengeance demon too? Awesome.

    (Me, I’m thinking there’s money to be made – what mail-order Russian bride wouldn’t want to move to a town in the Australian outback which appears to be stuck in either 1855 or a Robert Heinlein novel?)

  11. Intransigentia

    And what are these “beautiful swans” supposed to do in Isa once they’ve been transformed, exactly? Swim around in the tailings ponds?

    I’m fairly certain that if the place had anything going for it that made it attractive to women, like, say, well-paying jobs [i]actually available to women[/i]* (hint: the possibility of getting porked in exchange for a chunk of carbon doesn’t qualify), the women born there wouldn’t be getting the !@#$ out ASAP, and women born other places would be coming there.

    Perhaps the mayor would like to consider his comments in that context – not that it would make a real difference since his aim is to attract sperm receptacles, not people.
    ———-
    *I’m assuming here that the good-paying jobs are in the mines, and that even if they don’t officially make it men-only, the environment is pretty darned hostile and of the few women who consider trying it, not many stay. And that’s also assuming they don’t have some kind of bullshit “fitness” test or something that weeds out women who would otherwise qualify.

  12. Mezosub

    Word, Intransigentia.

    Not to mention the fact that, by and large, most western women are already more educated than most western men anyway, because we’ve had to take professional careers, since the trades have been traditionally closed to us by way of institutionalized misogyny.

    In short, there are very few women who would want to move to some podunk Australian mining town when they could get less dangerous jobs that are more in line with their intellectual abilities in Sydney or Melbourne.

  13. Jennifer-Ruth

    Hmmm…what does the Australian Bureau of Statistics have to say about Mount Isa?

    Why! The town is 50.6% women and 49.4% men. So…men are actually out-numbered by women.
    1 man to every 5 women, huh, Mr. Maloney? Seems like someone needs to learn to fucking count. You could also get how-not-to-be-a-misogynist-boil-on-the-ass-of-humanity training too, but I doubt it would help.

  14. Cathy

    I’m sure only intelligence-disadvantaged women would even consider such an armpit of a town.

    I keep hoping that in Asia, where the death penalty is acceptable punishment for failing to have the Y chromosome, men would begin to realize that women are valuable and maybe even begin to respect them. This article made me see how futile it is to hope.

    Mir, you are so right. It is still grinding me down, and I don’t know how to wake up.

  15. sam

    I had no problem finding the ‘missing’ women of Mount Isa.

    http://www.myroom.net.au/ladies.html

    50.6% women, eh? Maybe if the mayor counted the women in Mount Isa’s legal brothel among the marriageables instead of the never-to-be-nuptialed whorables then the “disparity” problem would disappear and the men could newly consider these pornalicious babes the hot marital goods they think they deserve.

  16. Virago

    Just what I want! To give up life as I know it to catch some Austrailian hillbilly from some backwoods mining town just so I can be transformed through love and devotion. So much love and devotion that they can’t keep their own women in the town (so they claim). Where do I sign up!

  17. Chai Latte

    Of course you do, Virago! As do I!

    …seriously, can we set up a lesbian seperatist island?

  18. ashley

    sadly, the whole thing has to be a media/attention thing for the mayor.
    if there’s a “bordello” (fuckwad trafficking center) of those enraging dimensions in the area, it seems there’s plenty of predatory action happening within the perimiter, and with the statistics provided by Jennifer-Ruth, come on! maybe the mayor’s just not seeing pornulation that measures up to his nightime telly or his internet surfing wandering the actual streets.
    ick! ick ick.

  19. Spiders

    mir, I salute you re your marriage analysis. So true.

    As to the mayor, sisters, it is as we feared. He is indeed as ugly as a hatful of arseholes.

    http://www.thepeoplesgroup.info/molony.html

  20. tigtog

    Hard to pick which of the mayor’s pile of turds is the most festering specimen, but I rather enjoyed Lauredhel’s take on one particular turd over at our place (Lauredhel’s response is in italics):

    “May I suggest if there are five blokes to every girl, we should find out where there are beauty-disadvantaged women and ask them to proceed to Mount Isa,” Cr Molony said. “Quite often you will see walking down the street a lass who is not so attractive with a wide smile on her face. Whether it is recollection of something previous or anticipation for the next evening, there is a degree of happiness.

    “And it’s not possible that she has just read a good book, or beaten her personal best on a videogame, or run a marathon, or had a phone call from her best friend, or completed a postgraduate degree by correspondence, or played with a kitten, or heard that she’s just got a plum job in the Big Smoke. No, if she’s smiling, there must be an Almighty Penis involved!”

  21. LilliEve

    I live on the other side of the continent, and it isn’t far enough away. And yeah. Mount Isa. NEVER GO THERE!
    Spiders, did you see the contact details on that website? There is a phone number and an email address. Think it’s time for me to wander over to the forum and locate one of those form letters…

  22. LilliEve

    Oh, and here’s Catherine Deveny’s opinion on the matter. I heart Deveny.

    xttp://www.theage.com.au/opinion/calling-all-ugly-chicks-mount-isas-mayor-makes-his-appeal-20080819-3y8c.html

  23. SolNiger

    Makes me want to contact him and tell him how ugly he is. I know its juvenile but I’ll be wasting my time if I actually emailed him an intelligent argument.

  24. tigtog

    hm – my previous comment still in moderation? What’s with this having a life thing you’ve got going on, Twisty?

  25. Erzebeth

    Even the dudes with all the grace and charm of Jabba The Hutt expect to get a “hawt chick” / supermodel / porn star.

  26. jael

    I keep hoping that in Asia, where the death penalty is acceptable punishment for failing to have the Y chromosome, men would begin to realize that women are valuable and maybe even begin to respect them. This article made me see how futile it is to hope.

    i don’t want to deflate the bubble too much Cathy, but just… no, no, no, no, no.

    Sex selective abortion has commoditised women in Asia, to a more significant extent than before. Wealthy, high status women have always been valued, for their wealth and status. Middle class women are turning into those westernised hussies who aren’t willing to form a true ‘partnership’ with a man.

    And poor women?

    They can be picked up on a week long marriage tour from Taiwan or Korea; they’re kidnapped across boarders or move around within their country; they’re incubators for the precious boy child’s. Usually for men who are unable or unwilling to compete in the marriage market in their home country/region.

    It’s quite counter intuitive. But yeah. Sex selective abortion has increased the value of those women at the top; but they always have value. Women at the bottom, I think, have a worse deal now than before. They’re traded; that these women have a fiscal and actual tangible “value” as reproducers doesn’t mean that value is something owned by them, per say, it’s a value that isn’t manifest until it’s traded; then someone gets a wife; family gets a house built; remittances get sent home. The value isn’t located in and of the woman; the value is located in her capacity to generate remittances; children; the family; continue the ancestral line.

    She, in and of herself, is not the valuable thing. What she offers the potential for is what is valued. Sex selective abortion serves to enhance the perceived value of the functions she performs – it is they that become increasingly valued; not the woman in and of herself.

  27. jael

    so yes. sorry. the last para of the above, which I didn’t cut and paste back into the prev. quote (sorry!)

    Substitute “ugly” women for poor women in the above, for the Mt Isa context. A shortage of women increases the value of their ‘function’; not the value of the women. Ugly, poor or otherwise. If women could be worked around entirely, I’m sure they would be. There just a whole bunch of things that men want, that women are required for. From bed buddies to incubators to housekeepers. I’m sure if men, as a collective social entity, could perform these functions sans women, they’d be quite happy to be without women all together.

  28. goblinbee

    Virago, I think it’s even worse than you think. The women are transformed by GIVING love and devotion, not by GETTING it.
    !!!!!

  29. SoJo

    I’m Aussie and I’ve spent time in Mount Isa…its a dump, the men are the most sexist pigs in the country, barely literate, alcoholic and ugly of course.

    A poll was on the news last night saying 70% (i don’t know if they were from Isa or if they were just men) agree with what this halfwit said.

    Very very tiring shit this is.

  30. chingona

    Doesn’t Alaska have a 5-1 male to female ratio? Funny thing is, I have always seen the statistic thrown out as a warning to women, not an enticement. I believe the expression is that the odds are good, but the goods are odd.

  31. Fatadelic

    There are not enough expletives in the world to capture quite how angry this charming man’s comments have made me.

  32. mir

    Cathy: Mir, you are so right. It is still grinding me down, and I don’t know how to wake up.

    Aw, sugar. I’d give you a big squeeze if I could. You’ve definitely come to the right place, and you’re certainly not alone, no matter how lonely you may feel. Keep blaming, keep trusting your gut.

  33. Spiders

    Contact details for the mayor of Mt Isa:

    http://www.mountisa.qld.gov.au/contact/contactInformation.shtml

    Their website states that they are progressive. What a fuckin’ joke.

  34. jess

    “sully their glittering, top-shelf dongs with sub-par meatsocks.”
    I know Antoinette already complimented you on this, but, seriously, it is the BEST clause I have read all day.

  35. mearl

    May the assholian mayor of Mount Isa and his degenerate misogynist male citizens all rot away the rest of their lives without ever being graced by a woman coming within 500 feet of their sorry asses. I can only hope that this announcement appears to the women in the area as it does to me, as a massive blinking neon warning sign.

    “…indeed as ugly as a hatful of arseholes” -Spiders

    Oh, god…*wipes eyes from laughing so hard*

  36. carylmarx

    5 to 1 male to female ratio…sounds like the mayor is just stating the obvious, if you were an ugly girl in a 1:1 ratio’d town, you’ll have more luck finding a mate (if that’s what you want?). It’s simple supply and demand.

  37. with_wings

    Mir–re; the grinding down of marriage–sigh. Yes. Even marriage to a “nice one”.

    Cathy, sister, I hear and feel your pain.

    From Mayor Hatful of Arseholes:

    “…a lass who is not so attractive with a wide smile on her face. ”

    That is impossible–there is no such thing as an ugly person with a wide smile on their face. It is impossible to be “ugly” when your face is radiating joy–that’s what beauty is!

  38. H.

    Friend of mine from when I was working in Asia had done a short stint working as a cleaner in a mining camp in Western Australia. Most of the men as she described them were poorly-educated and proud of it and either incredibly belligerent misogynists, major alcoholics or simply common-or-garden creeps and perverts. Mail-order brides – from various poverty-stricken African countries mostly – were a fairly popular choice for the discerning dude who needed an economically-disadvantaged vagina-owner around to pick up his socks and provide free sexual services between drinking sessions. It sounded to me like one of the most wretched, miserable and soulless sub-cultures on this earth. If Mount Isa is anything like it, and I suspect it is, no woman her right mind would want to take up permanent residence there.

  39. Windstorm

    Twisty, the only thing that keeps me sane in a situation like this is your delightful, funny, sparkling writing.

  40. Elaina

    Thanks, Spiders, for the contact info. Here’s my email to that idiot- it’s kinda hostile but I felt it necessary:

    “Mayor,”

    I won’t spend much time on this as you are not worth it. I would like to say that your comments about Mt. Isa and how “ugly” women should go there are completely disgusting. Who the hell are you to decide standards of beauty? Are you married? Is your wife mortified to be with you? I would leave your pathetic ass so fast it would make your head spin if, by some cruel twist of fate, I were your better half, for certainly, ANY one would be better than you. I presume that: a) no one really likes you; b) you are sexually inept; c) you are homophobic; d) your penis is very very nasty and you are trying to find some excuse for why you are so unhappy; or e) you are such a typical product of patriarchal ideology that you feel perfectly fine spouting off your ideas because you can’t find any other way of getting attention.

    You don’t deserve the luxury of a partner if you think it is acceptable to deem people “beauty disadvantaged,” and I’m surprised you haven’t been publicly castrated. Oh, and by the way, not that it matters to me, but it certainly will to you, I happen to be lucky enough to fit the conventional standard of beauty AND I know that it could be taken away in an instant, so I make my life by using my intellect and kindness, and I stand up for ALL women- of whatever socioeconomic status, conventionally beautiful or not. May you get what is coming to you sooner rather than later. And may you realize how awful of a person you are, how it is “men” like you who help validate rapists’ motives, domestic violence and other societal ills that constantly make women endure surviving in a world that hates us… before it is too late for you to change. It takes a real man to love women, not just the “pretty” ones, and you, Mayor, have publicly proven that you are not a man.

    E. Donohoe
    Idaho, US

  41. Spiders

    LilliEve, I wasn’t ignoring you. Seems your post hadn’t appeared when I posted the council details. Do I know you?
    I think I’d really like to start a campaign against this prick.

  42. Helen

    Ugh, this town and truedadconfessions.com seem to be one and the same:

    “She did not look like this when I met her!!! And yes, actually I looked EXACTLY like this!!! WTF!”

    “Why is it that every single D-list celebrity can get in shape after a child, but my wife “can’t?”"

    “The woman I had children with is hideous. I think back, and I don’t understand it, I did think she was pretty before. I had to attend a funeral to which she came with the kids and I was mortified. I don’t care about her, but I felt like everyone was watching me, thinking Wow, he used to fuck that! My wife had never seen her before and I saw this horrified look on her face, like I somehow lost status in her eyes. And my daughter is going through this awful ugly duckling stage but it’s clear she will reimerge looking pretty much like her mother. Did she age into a troll or was I a laughing stock the whole time I was with her? “

  43. D

    Also noteworthy, but certainly not surprising, is the outcry from Mount Isa’s male element. Sterling examples of their species all, they take great exception to the mayor’s suggestion that they would even consider settling for receptacles that did not sufficiently exhibit patriarchy-approved bodaciousness.

    You’re basically saying “How dare these men not want people they aren’t attracted to!”

    Yet…if it comes to women having standards for the people they date, you have no problems with that.

    Really, I wonder occasionally, if you’ve read what you say before you say it.

    Where I come from, a pre-requisite to a potentially physical relationship, is mutual physical attraction.

    Go figure, huh?

  44. KarenElhyam

    Helen, that seems to cut right to the heart, huh?

    Men don’t actually fuck women because they love women, they fuck women so other men will respect and love them!

    It’s amazing how it really all comes back to how much men need to feel the admiration and love of other men to feel complete.

    The lesbian seperatist compound idea becomes more and more appealing every day…

  45. Eleanor

    This wanker is just the tip of the iceberg. There’s a weird, sinister cultural fetish in Australia that is obsessed with ‘finding women’ for farmers and other rural types (read: herding hot chicks out into domestic servitude). There’s a reality TV show called ‘The Farmer Wants a Wife’, the website for which you can check out here if you’re feeling up to it (the header image pretty much says it all):

    http://channelnine.ninemsn.com.au/tvshow.aspx?sectionid=8870&sectionname=farmer2&sectionid=5603&sectionname=farmerwantsawife

    And the usual glossy mags regularly have features profilng desperate rural dudes, sitting astride their quad bikes and spewing about their desperate desire to come home to their own piece of roasted hot meat (cooked by their other piece of hot meat).

    Makes me ill, I tells you.

  46. Jonathan

    @mir:

    “teach young het women to steer well clear of indentured servitude to hearth/home/husband until they’re old enough and wise enough to retain their inner strength while they do it.”

    If only women didn’t have to submit themselves to the soul-grinding patriarchal institution of marriage in the first place. Marriage is presented as being more inevitable than death and taxes (to the point that the Mount Isa freaks think they have a chance) so I wish more than anything that “none of the above” was given to women as a viable alternative. Hell, my S.O. and I are hoping to never get married, and we’ve been together longer than all my friends’ first and second marriages combined. And the single life is definitely a viable alternative to a bad marriage, as Mount Isa so deftly illustrates.

    @jael:
    “There just a whole bunch of things that men want, that women are required for. From bed buddies to incubators to housekeepers. I’m sure if men, as a collective social entity, could perform these functions sans women, they’d be quite happy to be without women all together.”

    Men have proved that they can fulfill the bed buddy and housekeeping requirements themselves when they want to (the Queer Eye guys, etc.), but they prefer to oppress entire class of people take care of their every need instead. The sooner the P is sunk, along with the male population of Mount Isa, the better.

  47. Zofia Szeretlek

    I am so ashamed of my country. Sitting now on the outside looking in, I notice how much of my ideas and opinions about men and heterosexual marriage were colored by the bullshit I witnessed growing up in small town Queensland.

    Le sigh.

  48. jael

    zofia – your australian upbrining can’t have influnced you as much as you fear: whatever happened to you in the mean time, you now drop the “u” in coloured.

    So, sigh not! It would appear from such an example you *can* overcome the burdens of an Australian/Queensland upbringing, as heavy as that burden may, at first, appear.

  49. virago

    “Virago, I think it’s even worse than you think. The women are transformed by GIVING love and devotion, not by GETTING it.
    !!!!!”

    Yeah, I figured that, but I was being sarcastic because someone up thread quoted the mayor as saying:

    “.. transfer themselves with love and devotion in marriage from an ugly ducking to a beautiful swan. It can have a complete transformation for a woman.”

    Anyway, I shudder at the thought of what kind of transformation these women really do go through.

    “I am so ashamed of my country. Sitting now on the outside looking in, I notice how much of my ideas and opinions about men and heterosexual marriage were colored by the bullshit I witnessed growing up in small town Queensland.”

    Zofia Szeretlek, you can find examples of this bullshit in any country. I grew up in a small midwestern town,U.S.A, and it wasn’t much different than what you described. For an extreme example; did you catch the news coverage on Warren Jeffs and the polygamist communities out West? Of course, most American towns are not polygamist (including my own), but it’s example of patriarchy at it’s worse. I find this more embarrassing than the Mount Isa thing.

    “Yet…if it comes to women having standards for the people they date, you have no problems with that.”

    “Where I come from, a pre-requisite to a potentially physical relationship, is mutual physical attraction”

    D, if women having standards means dating a man who treats us as human beings and not as some kind of domestic servant/baby machine/ sex toy, why would we have a problem with that? In fact, why do YOU have a problem with that? Did you even read about what kind of men are in Mount Isa? For example Sojo wrote, “I’m Aussie and I’ve spent time in Mount Isa…its a dump, the men are the most sexist pigs in the country, barely literate, alcoholic and ugly of course” Being ugly is at the bottom of the list after “sexist pigs”, “barely literate”, and “alcoholic”. I suppose you think we should lower our standards to see the inner beauty of the men of Mount Isa. WTF? And as far as the men of Mount Isa go, I don’t think they are interested in “mutual physical attraction.” If they all looked like trolls, and the mayor was talking about importing women who looked like patriarchally approved supermodels, do you really think there would be an outcry from the men of Mount Isa? Do you think they would worry about what kind of characters these women have beyond the physical? You live in fairyland, if you think otherwise.

  50. Cathy

    Where I come from, a pre-requisite to a potentially physical relationship, is mutual physical attraction.

    D, where you come from is called the Patriarchy. In this utopia, all men feel entitled to the sexiest, prettiest women, regardless of how ugly the dude may be. The media perpetuate this attitude by rarely showing ordinary women. Girls are brainwashed into thinking that they must have a man, any man; without one they are worthless. So of course girls settle for dudes who are less than attractive. We also know that other attributes are more important than appearance (although dudes with these attributes are also hard to find).

    Twisty, I hope “D” isn’t just a reincarnation of Mandos.

  51. CoolAunt

    Also noteworthy, but certainly not surprising, is the outcry from Mount Isa’s male element. Sterling examples of their species all, they take great exception to the mayor’s suggestion that they would even consider settling for receptacles that did not sufficiently exhibit patriarchy-approved bodaciousness.

    You’re basically saying “How dare these men not want people they aren’t attracted to!”

    Yet…if it comes to women having standards for the people they date, you have no problems with that.

    Really, I wonder occasionally, if you’ve read what you say before you say it.

    Where I come from, a pre-requisite to a potentially physical relationship, is mutual physical attraction.

    Go figure, huh?

    Really, D, I wonder if you’ve read what you say before you say it. Believe me when I tell you that no one here expects nor wants the men of Mt Isa to lower or ignore their lofty standards in women. It was their very own mayor who sent out the call for ugly fuckholes. No one here would support exporting women to Mt Isa, ugly or otherwise.

    Perhaps the men of Mt Isa should focus less on their dicks and more on their local politics, setting higher standards at election time.

  52. Eurosabra

    Cannot believe the mayor didn’t have the presence of mind to call upon all the old Australian iconography of marchismo and patriarchal tradition, with all of its “Diggers” and “She’ll be right, mate” and Oil-can Foster’s. Of course, a little introspection might be costly, since he KNOWS on some level that he presides over a dystopia of men who are the disposable, interchangeable parts of an industrial-capitalist meat-grinder, but I can’t discount the potential benefit of the old Anglo-Australian “stiff upper lip.” If you’re going to objectify and traffic in stereotypes, admit that you’re attempting to incarnate one yourself. Of course, he may really be nostalgic for the days of female convicts forced to serve and marry in gender-unbalanced communities of men, but that as well is typically Australian as well, if cultural memory really does run that deep.

  53. Intransigentia

    @Eurosabra – female convicts forced to marry?

    Amnesty International’s slogan for their campaign for the rights of imprisoned women is “Rape wasn’t part of her sentence.” Apparently, sometimes it is – explicitly.

  54. D

    D, if women having standards means dating a man who treats us as human beings and not as some kind of domestic servant/baby machine/ sex toy, why would we have a problem with that? In fact, why do YOU have a problem with that

    I’m just pointing out her maligning males for having physical attractiveness standards as these horrible people.

    It just seems rather silly.

    And what do you mean by “sex toy”? Are you attempting to say it’s somehow horrible that a person might want to have sex with their partner? Also, amazing, really, women have babies. They’re the only ones what can, you know. Oftentimes, women want to have them.

    I suppose you think we should lower our standards to see the inner beauty of the men of Mount Isa.

    Did I say that? Though, in general, I notice, women are quick to tell men how wrong they are for wanting a woman they’re physically attracted to, but equally quick to refer to how “ugly” and “undesirable” some men are.

    Do you think they would worry about what kind of characters these women have beyond the physical? You live in fairyland, if you think otherwise.

    I could easily say give a trollish man a few million dollars, and watch the women flock to him, and “Do you think they care about what kind of characters those men have, beyond the financial? You live in fairyland, if you think otherwise.”

    People can be shitty from both sides, shockingly enough. I know a lot of people here might have trouble gripping the fact that women can easily be just as crappy as they paint men to be, but, there ya go.

  55. mir

    “I’m just pointing out her* maligning males for having physical attractiveness standards as these horrible people.”

    “People can be shitty from both sides, shockingly enough. I know a lot of people here might have trouble gripping the fact that women can easily be just as crappy as they paint men to be**, but, there ya go.”

    “It just seems rather silly***.”

    *By “her”, do you mean Twisty Faster, the author of this blog? And by “maligning, do you mean “talking honestly about”?

    **Har har- “But What About The Women? They do __________ too!!1 eleventy!!1!”

    *** Your concern is touching. Go fuck yerself.

  56. Eurosabra

    “Forced” is a bit too strong, yes. But there were strong structural incentives, like release from public labour projects, for example. Some of the recent social history focuses on the implicit or explicit sexual availability resulting from female domestic servant status and not from convict status as such. In other words, the replication of domestic patriarchy created the sex class, not the penal colony.

  57. thebewilderness

    Yo, D!
    You appear to be an idiot, but perhaps you are just an entitled ignorant asshat. If you read the comment policy of this blog you will find direction to finallyfeminism101.wordpress.com
    Please spend some time there before you come back and embarrass yourself here.

  58. Robin

    Mir could not be more right– in post number one on this site. On these feminist blogs, it is often the weary voice of experience, and women really do have to be very careful if they decide to marry men.

    Your life will be used up by these guys, you will be exhausted.

    I freak out at the thought of Elizabeth Edwards and her terminal cancer diagnosis, and yet, she’ll stick it out with that creep till the end of her life for “the sake of the children.” This is a woman who was once a brilliant attorney in her own right, is far more with it than her husband, but he feels no shame in having her campaign for him.

    Yes, women do learn but too late often.

    Let’s hope women coming to this site really get what this is all about, and blame the patriarchy and do blaming proud!

  59. goblinbee

    D, you still haven’t answered if you mean Twisty, or if you mean one or more of the commenters.
    I’d be interested in the answer to that question too.

  60. Eurosabra

    D,

    What I’m trying to wrap my head around is the constant belittlement of the object of one’s desire. It may be that the miners are simply overestimating their bargaining position, it may be that they are actually horrified at the implication that they are themselves second-rate goods themselves, or it may be actual entitlement. They also seem to be weighing in against the mayor’s “woman as commodity” paradigm to correct it with a “woman as quality consumer commodity” paradigm. I can also imagine a “Ooo you callin’ ugly?” response: “Nuffink but first-rate Sheilas ‘ere, mate, and real goers!” And in a place with a roughly 60/40 population balance, nothing like the 5:1 ratio decried…

  61. SoJo

    D you’re not a radical feminist, bugger off

  62. thebewilderness

    Yep! Entitled asshat.
    First they tell you what you think, and then they tell you how wrong you are to think it.

  63. Spiders

    D, you’re a useless piece of shit mate. Fuck the hell off.

  64. jael

    People.

    Do Not Feed The Troll.

    Now and ever shall be, world without end, DNFTT.

    Please.

  65. pheenobarbidoll

    Totally OT but once you get settled I need pics of Texas!

    *from Texas (odessa..gawd) and now living in Canada. FFS. And I miss Texas*

    The food pics in previous posts help. Well actually no they don’t help they make me crave tex mex and you can’t get that in Canada.

  66. pheenobarbidoll

    oooh, it knows ad hom. Now it just needs to look up strawman.

  67. Mar Iguana

    Cock SCAMs and the women they ride around on.

  68. Twisty

    This D guy has been a disappointment. Radical feminism is “silly”? Really? Is that all you got?

  69. Virago

    “I’m just pointing out her maligning males for having physical attractiveness standards as these horrible people.

    It just seems rather silly.”

    You just admitted these are “horrible people”. Yet, your comparing these horrible men’s right to avoid having someone ugly with women’s right to avoid having someone who is horrible. Did you forget the descriptions “chauvinistic pig”, “barely literate”, “alcoholic” as well as ugly? God forbid if women have standards! What a jackass!

    “And what do you mean by “sex toy”? Are you attempting to say it’s somehow horrible that a person might want to have sex with their partner? Also, amazing, really, women have babies. They’re the only ones what can, you know. Oftentimes, women want to have them.”

    WTF? What part of domestic servant/baby machine/sex toy did you not understand? How about trying to see women as HUMAN BEINGS first. Is that too much a stretch of the imagination for you? Women aren’t there to just have babies and clean up after some guy’s slobby ass. And as for the sex toy comment? You really don’t have a clue, do you? How about the fact that women aren’t just live blow up dolls who are there for the men to do with whatever they please. Is that clear enough for you? Do I have to spell out what everybody else on this thread has already figured out?

    “Did I say that? Though, in general, I notice, women are quick to tell men how wrong they are for wanting a woman they’re physically attracted to, but equally quick to refer to how “ugly” and “undesirable” some men are.”

    Again, your maligning women for having any kind of standards whatsoever, but you think men shouldn’t be maligned because their standards of women is based solely on physical attractieness. I guess you think that women should just take whatever slimeball crawls out of the swamp and just be happy they’ve got a man while every man should get the supermodel of his choice no matter what he looks like.

    “I know a lot of people here might have trouble gripping the fact that women can easily be just as crappy as they paint men to be, but, there ya go.”

    I think your the one who has trouble gripping the fact that it doesn’t matter if there are individual women who act as crappy as they supposedly paint men to be. Men as individuals and as a group can act as crappy as they want, and they have an entire patriarchal system based on male entitlement, power, privilege, custom, tradition, and law based on what they want. A whole system made by men for men. Those individual women may act crappy, but they don’t get very far if what they want conflicts with the male power structure. Why do you think this blog is called I Blame The Patriarchy? Do you have a clue now?

  70. Cathy

    Also, mir, thank you. I’m sure I have come to the right place (will check out your website soon). I really enjoy reading not only Twisty’s witty writing, but that of the whole Blametariat.

    oooh, it knows ad hom. Now it just needs to look up strawman.

    Some time ago, Twisty wrote something to the effect that when children are born, that’s when the ugly head of Patriarchy is really reared. I have discovered, far too late, that it is absolutely true. Once you have a child, that’s when they’ve really got you where they want you – helpless and dependent.

  71. phio gistic

    Why is it when women say we resent being treated like meat and only being valued for our looks and our sexual availability, that some men hear it as “women are perfect, men are shit!” Why is it so threatening for women to demand respect? This blog entry is a criticism of a man who has made really insulting statements about women and D is here frothing at the mouth about -our- mistreatment of the men. I don’t get it.

  72. derrp

    Don’t you get it, blamers? D is an equalist! He’s objective, not pedantic. Amazing what having a penis can do for a person, isn’t it.

  73. Virago

    “I’m pretty sure the VAWA conflicts with the “male power structure”, what with giving women special, unequal protections under the law”

    Women have only won the right to be protected from domestic violence within the last few decades. Men have been allowed to beat up women for centuries without consequences, and your complaining about women getting special, unequal treatment? What’s unequal is that women make up 99% of domestic violence victims while most batterers are men. And your comparing women who are domestic violence victims to women who are “crappy individuals.” Not surprising, since MRAs like to say that most women lie about domestic violence anyway. Yeah, you really are a troll. Slimeball, go crawl right back to the swamp you came from.

  74. Spiders

    “Well, why is it when men say we resent being treated like dollar signs, and only being valued for our money and our ability to work for more…bla bla bla”

    He’s a fucking mra! I knew it.

    Go and do some reading, you fucking idiot, before you open your big ignorant gob. Inform yourself. Men created this stinking economic system, not women, and its held up mostly by exploiting women for all the unpaid/under-paid/volunteer labour that they do!
    So if you as a white male, feel exploited, try and imagine it is for every non- white male on the planet.
    Statistically, you get paid more for doing less than anyone else. If you think marriage doesn’t give you a fair deal, then DON”T FUCKING GET MARRIED!

  75. Elisha

    As I enjoy not only Twisty’s perspective but her clever use of words, I read this one out loud to a friend. The best part was when I realized I had just said “meatsocks” out loud.

  76. wiggles

    So if you as a white male, feel exploited, try and imagine it is for every non- white male on the planet.

    I wonder how many MRAs or antifeminist men would want to trade places with any woman in their same socioeconomic class. Hell, they can even move up a rung, as far as I’m concerned, but they have to live at least a year of their lives as women.

  77. Eurosabra

    Is there perhaps a sort of professional distortion taking place here *because* those men function as cogs in a machine? To the point where “We’ll take all comers?” becomes an insult, precisely because it’s their economic function? i.e. to go down into the mines because they have strong backs and a working headlamp, and the metal must be extracted?

    Off to research working-class Oz women and their experience.

  78. Twisty

    “Off to research working-class Oz women and their experience.”

    Keep us posted. As I’m sure the working class Oz women blamers will.

  79. Helen

    Whoa! Move over Twisty! The very, very special Miranda Devine has put her mighty brane to work and weighed into this very important debate – so listen up all you politically correct, whinging femobags!

    Ah Miranda: Lowering the tone in Australian op-ed since forever. And check out the cartoon in the article. Cos ageing cougars have, like, claws and things.

  80. Georgia

    Years ago I went on a big road trip in Australia with my ex. We spent two and a half months driving from Sydney, up the East coast, across and up to Darwin and then back down the middle before heading back to Sydney. It was a wonderful trip and we saw some beautiful places. Mount Isa, however, sticks in my memory because it is one the ugliest, most unappealing places that I have ever traveled through. Our hostel was dirty and disgusting and we literarlly could not find anywhere to eat breakfast other than McD’s on our (hasty) way out of town. To me it seemed a very depressing place and I only stayed one night.

  81. moonstorm

    Yes, women do learn but too late often

    And then of course, beauty standards also help reinforce our inability to make a change, because usually once a woman has figured out that she’s been gamed by the system, she’s no longer young and therefore not “pretty.” And when you’re a woman and not fuckable, your opinion doesn’t matter, as we see in Mayor Shithat’s comment about how the women protesting were probably ugly. Serioulsy, that’s his refutation of their position? “You’re ugly and female, therefore your opinion doesn’t matter. I don’t need to use facts to explain why I think your position is wrong, because you are wrong simply by being ugly and therefore nothing you say can ever have any value.”

    It limits women’s possibilities so much — I’m the type of person who, if I put in enough effort, can look really good when I want to, to the point where I’ve been called stunning by idiots who care about that sort of thing. But without makeup, when I’m just dressed comfortably and showered and have no makeup, I’m actually pretty ugly. I hate going to any effort to look good, so on occasion I go out just looking “ugly” even though I know I’ll get treated like shit. Because of this, I don’t put any political buttons on my purse or backpack, and I don’t sign petitions or anything when I’m not dolled up, because I know that my opinions will be deemed worthless and even detrimental to my causes because of how I look, because if an ugly chick thinks it, it must be wrong. I especially don’t like to wear buttons proclaiming my veganism, because there’s this idea in parts of the animal rights movement (courtesy of the fucknecks at PETA) that one of the main draws of veg*ism is either a) suddenly magically becoming hot if you’re a woman or b) getting hawt chicks if you’re a guy. If you’re not hot, you’re not representing and you’re an embarrassment to the movement. The group I’m involved with isn’t like this, but a lot of the movement is, and that’s how nonvegetarians view it as well, that if ugly women participate it’s not worth it — I know I shouldn’t give in to that self-limiting bullshit, but it’s so fucking hard when it’s reinforced everywhere and you AND YOUR VIEWS are constantly in front of a firing squad for how you look.

    So I guess what I’m trying to say is that I hope that mayor gets bitten by an Outback snake right where it counts. :P

  82. AdmirerofEmily

    Ah, dear Miranda Devine. I’m convinced she is employed merely to generate some buzz on the letters page opposite.

    This, from the article, will give you some idea of Miranda’s defence of that poor, misunderstood Mayor:

    “Molony is no oil painting himself, but he was simply stating the bleeding obvious about human nature: that market forces work in dating, too. When competition for men is stiff, as it is, for instance, in inner-city Sydney, the most alluring female will win. And when men outnumber women in a dating environment, as they do in the mining town of Mount Isa, their standards are more likely to slip than women’s.”

    Uh huh. Right.

    Miranda then goes on to quote demographer, Bernard Salt, to assist those desperately seeking lerv, where best to find it.

    Sadly, Bernard is from Melbourne, and clearly hasn’t done his homework when he says that “he identified Auburn as Sydney’s bachelor hot-spot and Annandale the suburb with the highest ratio of single women” and suggested that the road between these two suburbs should be renamed the “Road of Love because it brings together the boys of Auburn with the girls of Annandale”.

    She says: “In his dreams. Women in Annandale tend to prefer cats …. and [in Auburn] a good number of the suburb’s red-blooded bachelors are congregating, sans women, in the Gallipoli mosque.”

    (I’m not sure that all the readers may have understood exactly what Miranda was trying to say here. I mean, they might think she means that those all those single women in Annandale who prefer cats must be little old ladies who live alone with only a couple of moggies for company – right? She doesn’t.)

    Uh huh.I can just see it now. Our Muslim brothers uniting with our lesbian sisters on Parramatta Road, which surely must hold the Australian record for being the ugliest road with the most car salesyards.

    Hmm… I’ll Bernard’s analysis in my ‘lies, damned lies, and statistics’ file for use next time I want explain the difficulties of really understanding a community from a set of statistics.

  83. jael

    AoE:

    “Molony is no oil painting himself, but he was simply stating the bleeding obvious about human nature: that market forces work in dating, too. When competition for men is stiff, as it is, for instance, in inner-city Sydney, the most alluring female will win. And when men outnumber women in a dating environment, as they do in the mining town of Mount Isa, their standards are more likely to slip than women’s.”

    Uh huh. Right.

    Miranda D might not be much more than a grand tizzy of nothingness, but the woman does, every now and again make some good points (as much as it pains me to say that about anyone of the further reaches of the right, credit where credit is due. there was an article she did a few years back on fearmingering about TSS and tampon useage, and the resulting number of young women being scared out of engaging in sports activities because they thought they’d DIE that was just awesome.)

    anway… sorry. Diverted. But the above.

    If you accept there is a patriarchy; that the patriarchy is the matrix; the it governs most rules of social interaction and most woman are engaged in patriarchy affirming behaviour, including beautification, partner-seeking etc.. the… why uh hu right to the above statement, which wholeheartedly supports those notions? What MD describes above is a statement of the actual reality of our present circumstance – indeed, the most alluring women (or, substitute in patriarchy affirming woman) would have the highest number of “successes”; if success if based on attraction of mates. You obviously read smh – did you come across the article this weekend or last talking about how attractive women apparently “trade up” at a far greater rate than the rest of us: market forces indeed was dictate their available pool of potential partners is larger than that for the rest of us, whose generally hideous, unadorned appearance is such that it would reduce said pool.

    as to the men: really? you don’t think their standards would hit rock bottom if that was the pool available to them?

  84. AdmirerofEmily

    What you see above there jael is my first major post to a blog. And I can see that I was not clear in what I wrote, so it was easy to misunderstood what I meant.

    What I meant was ‘Right – so this is the situation we face’. With behind it being..so let’s gird our loins (or staff the battle stations, or something) and take action. But I can see it was more likely to be read as –’No, she’s wrong’. A sarcastic ‘yeah, right’.

    I agree with every single thing you say.

    I can’t tell you how delighted I was to find IBTP a week ago. Such is my enthusiasm that I only lurked for a week before leaping in to say ‘hi’!

    And once I’d pressed the blame button I realised I’d made a couple of editing errors as I shifted stuff around to try to make my argument. And, later, reading the archives, I realised I’d disobeyed Twisty’s exhortion not to start a sentence with an ‘Uh’. Or use ellipses … (which I had to look up what they were, cos my we weren’t taught grammar in my time). (I read the FAQs! I really did. Then I forgot a bit of them.)

    When I realised my mistakes, I was a bit embarrassed. But I remembered a poster on another thread who said ‘the Blaming experience can be harsh, but bracing, and just what one needs to get a jolt, like a riding crop on a horse’s ass. Gets you moving’ and thought, oh well, I’ll just have to take my medicine but it will sharpen my thinking.

    So, to spare both old hands, and my pride, I think it might be an idea for me to lurk a bit longer to get more of a sense of the place. Read the archives. And to leave my writing for a while before I post. To try not to be longwinded. To edit more. Then edit again.

  85. jael

    you are not compelled to do any of the above, by any means. learning by doing is a very valid method of learning. i find often enough i get more out of people disagreeing with me that i do with them agreeing: you can see where you need to strengthen arguments and so forth.

    don’t take the above as a slap-down – please! contribute! the internet is full of cantankerous narks (like me!) who take potshots at arguments for no other reason than because they can. you must learn to ignore them, or atleast – not take them personally – or never post again. ever. anywhere. :)

    anyway. this is a wonderful place. glad you’ve found us etc etc. post often, make insightful comments and go forth and change the world.

  86. AdmirerofEmily

    Hell no – I didn’t take it as a slap down at all. That is not what it read as in any shape or form.

    But I am aware of Twisty’s love of the English language and the desire for a readable, non-frat like, non-’look at me look at me’ discussion of rad fem. And I know that i can be like that at times.

    I acknowledge too, that in the internet world, it’s considered polite to get to know the joint before one butts in and makes the same sorry old mistakes that every other newbie makes – whereupon the old hands have to fight the impulse to call out ‘RTFM’! Or not fight it, as the case may be.

  87. AdmirerofEmily

    By ‘like that’ I meant, of course, ‘non-readable, frat like, look at me look at me’.

    Failure to edit and re-reread before posting duly noted. agin.

  88. PatriarchySlayer

    This is my first time on this site, yes a I Blame the Patriarchy virgin, but no longer. I think everyone commenting on this issue is absolutely brilliant. I have never laughed so hard in my entire life. Keep at it!

  89. Hedgepig

    I think it’s great how this blog makes people want to plunge in straight away and join the blaming throng. I do recommend exploring the archives though. It’s fun.

  90. PatriarchySlayer

    Yes, I have been going through the entire site, there is so much though, almost too much for one sitting. But really, everything makes me laugh, only because I totally agree. It’s so very refreshing to come to sites where people aren’t afraid to express their opinion.

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