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	<title>Comments on: Pakistani senator calls killing women &#8220;tribal custom&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Kate</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/08/30/1447/#comment-157797</link>
		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 16:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

I&#039;m 46, I&#039;ve got an education (Phd engineer), I&#039;m not white, I have a 12 yr old daughter.
I work on a mine site in Australia.  I give everyone a chance (usually 6 months)  I am totally fed up with the racism, sexism and general red neck stuff.  That goes for the young women too I guess they didn&#039;t take the red pill or read Germaine Greer.
I get paid about 30% less than a man, doing the same job.  When a man hands over to a woman, he reads out the list of handover information.  When a woman hands over to a man in Australia, she prints out the list and he reads it back to her.  OMG thanks for a little bit of Sanity on your site.

Every day, I get up, smash the patriachy, then get on with running the plant.  bless you for your touch of humor and not ignoring the hard issues, like women in Pakistan being murdered.

I experimented with not plucking my eyebrows for a month and do you know what?  It didn&#039;t affect my competence at doing my job.

Kate</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m 46, I&#8217;ve got an education (Phd engineer), I&#8217;m not white, I have a 12 yr old daughter.<br />
I work on a mine site in Australia.  I give everyone a chance (usually 6 months)  I am totally fed up with the racism, sexism and general red neck stuff.  That goes for the young women too I guess they didn&#8217;t take the red pill or read Germaine Greer.<br />
I get paid about 30% less than a man, doing the same job.  When a man hands over to a woman, he reads out the list of handover information.  When a woman hands over to a man in Australia, she prints out the list and he reads it back to her.  OMG thanks for a little bit of Sanity on your site.</p>
<p>Every day, I get up, smash the patriachy, then get on with running the plant.  bless you for your touch of humor and not ignoring the hard issues, like women in Pakistan being murdered.</p>
<p>I experimented with not plucking my eyebrows for a month and do you know what?  It didn&#8217;t affect my competence at doing my job.</p>
<p>Kate</p>
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		<title>By: The Road to Surfdom &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Buried Alive</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/08/30/1447/#comment-132987</link>
		<dc:creator>The Road to Surfdom &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Buried Alive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 02:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a fine serve of boiling hot anger from Twisty about a report coming out of Pakistan. It&#8217;s unbelievable that any government officebearer, of [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Postmodern Man</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/08/30/1447/#comment-132886</link>
		<dc:creator>Postmodern Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:18:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to Germaine Greer Western men are worse than the Taliban so  as such I regard burying and stoning them to death as being too humanitarian. I&#039;m a postmodernist like Germaine - &#039;its just  a cultural right&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to Germaine Greer Western men are worse than the Taliban so  as such I regard burying and stoning them to death as being too humanitarian. I&#8217;m a postmodernist like Germaine &#8211; &#8216;its just  a cultural right&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Cathy</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/08/30/1447/#comment-128925</link>
		<dc:creator>Cathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 12:11:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is so evil. Pakistan, the USA’s supposed “ally in the War on Terror” is terrorizing its own women into submission. Thank you, Apostate, for bringing this to our attention, and thank you to Galloise Blonde, for the link to AHRC, so I could complain about it. I fear the recipients may toss it into the circular file, but we have to try. I’m filled with so much rage and despair that women are terrorized so men can continue to have obedient slaves, and to add insult to injury (and torture and death), barely an eyebrow is raised. Jirga has supposedly been outlawed, yet they cling to it like men to their “jewels.” In the Middle East, family honor equals keeping the females in their place.

&lt;i&gt;I want to say “up your’s” to every guy I encounter and nothing says it better than not wearing the uniform.&lt;/i&gt;

Well put, Spiders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is so evil. Pakistan, the USA’s supposed “ally in the War on Terror” is terrorizing its own women into submission. Thank you, Apostate, for bringing this to our attention, and thank you to Galloise Blonde, for the link to AHRC, so I could complain about it. I fear the recipients may toss it into the circular file, but we have to try. I’m filled with so much rage and despair that women are terrorized so men can continue to have obedient slaves, and to add insult to injury (and torture and death), barely an eyebrow is raised. Jirga has supposedly been outlawed, yet they cling to it like men to their “jewels.” In the Middle East, family honor equals keeping the females in their place.</p>
<p><i>I want to say “up your’s” to every guy I encounter and nothing says it better than not wearing the uniform.</i></p>
<p>Well put, Spiders.</p>
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		<title>By: Joolya</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/08/30/1447/#comment-128297</link>
		<dc:creator>Joolya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 17:35:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the thread gets derailed from the atrocities to the mundanities (is that a word?) because the horror of five women being shot and buried alive is almost too much to take in, especially for more-or-less comfortable American/Western people. What response do I have besides visceral rage and disgust at people half a world away? Not an excuse, but an explanation, maybe.
I just got back from a trip which took me through Las Vegas and Southern California, which, to my Mid-Atlantic/New England brain was a huge mind-fuck of genderificness. I was also a bridesmaid. This involved very straight hair - which did look quite pretty - and a LOT of makeup. And gold strappy stiletto heels. But it&#039;s okay, because the bride thoughtfully provided gold flip-flops for us to change into at the reception! ;) It was a cultural experience that I haven&#039;t quite processed. And not in a small way ED-triggering. IBTP.
What was my other slightly off-topic point? Oh yeah, Nigels, purses, and man bags. My own dear Nigel - in many ways a better feminist than me, to be fair - is in the habit of nicking my bags all the time. I tried to get him a manly-man bike-messenger satchel-type thing but he conveniently &quot;lost&quot; it somewhere and has resorted again to my H&amp;M bag which is somewhere between purse and backpack in size and design. Just the right size and shape for wallet, keys, glasses, book, phone, and newspaper. (Except that he&#039;s a full foot taller than me with twice as broad shoulders so it looks like one of those mini-backpacks of the late 90s on him.) My not-Nigel is undaunted by this, nor does he shy away from toting around my shiny little evening purse, and is very amused when frat boy types and waitresses giggle at it. That&#039;s my Nigel. Sometimes he lets me put eyeliner on him, too, because it makes his eyes so pretty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the thread gets derailed from the atrocities to the mundanities (is that a word?) because the horror of five women being shot and buried alive is almost too much to take in, especially for more-or-less comfortable American/Western people. What response do I have besides visceral rage and disgust at people half a world away? Not an excuse, but an explanation, maybe.<br />
I just got back from a trip which took me through Las Vegas and Southern California, which, to my Mid-Atlantic/New England brain was a huge mind-fuck of genderificness. I was also a bridesmaid. This involved very straight hair &#8211; which did look quite pretty &#8211; and a LOT of makeup. And gold strappy stiletto heels. But it&#8217;s okay, because the bride thoughtfully provided gold flip-flops for us to change into at the reception! ;) It was a cultural experience that I haven&#8217;t quite processed. And not in a small way ED-triggering. IBTP.<br />
What was my other slightly off-topic point? Oh yeah, Nigels, purses, and man bags. My own dear Nigel &#8211; in many ways a better feminist than me, to be fair &#8211; is in the habit of nicking my bags all the time. I tried to get him a manly-man bike-messenger satchel-type thing but he conveniently &#8220;lost&#8221; it somewhere and has resorted again to my H&amp;M bag which is somewhere between purse and backpack in size and design. Just the right size and shape for wallet, keys, glasses, book, phone, and newspaper. (Except that he&#8217;s a full foot taller than me with twice as broad shoulders so it looks like one of those mini-backpacks of the late 90s on him.) My not-Nigel is undaunted by this, nor does he shy away from toting around my shiny little evening purse, and is very amused when frat boy types and waitresses giggle at it. That&#8217;s my Nigel. Sometimes he lets me put eyeliner on him, too, because it makes his eyes so pretty.</p>
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		<title>By: butterflywings</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/08/30/1447/#comment-128168</link>
		<dc:creator>butterflywings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 23:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People seem to have misunderstood my comment.

Luxdancer:
&quot;The entire concept that frilly skirts and nail polish are “feminine” as in “an attribute of being like a woman” as opposed to just being frilly skirts and nail polish, without gender categorization, is the problem.&quot;

That&#039;s actually what I was saying.

And I never mentioned frilly skirts. I rarely wear skirts at all.

AK-LA, please re-read my comment.

This is what I meant by &quot;do what you feel like&quot;, that nail polish or whatever isn&#039;t inherently feminine. Similarly high heels were originally for men.

People do want to adorn themselves. As long as there is no pressure to do so, why shouldn&#039;t they?
Would you object to men painting their nails, wearing heels, etc. and if so, why?

The enemy is not nail polish, it&#039;s that certain appearances and ways of behaving are ascribed to one gender or the other.

And whose lip-liner and stilettos? I don&#039;t wear either. I never said I was a girlie girl. 

That&#039;s my point, right there. There is a thin line between that women should not feel compelled to enact grooming beyond a bare minimum if they don&#039;t want to, and a kind of victim-blaming, seeing women who do comply with &quot;feminine&quot; as enforced by the patriarchy as mere &quot;sexbots&quot; who can&#039;t possibly have a brain. The devaluing of anything seen as &quot;feminine&quot; is in fact misogyny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People seem to have misunderstood my comment.</p>
<p>Luxdancer:<br />
&#8220;The entire concept that frilly skirts and nail polish are “feminine” as in “an attribute of being like a woman” as opposed to just being frilly skirts and nail polish, without gender categorization, is the problem.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s actually what I was saying.</p>
<p>And I never mentioned frilly skirts. I rarely wear skirts at all.</p>
<p>AK-LA, please re-read my comment.</p>
<p>This is what I meant by &#8220;do what you feel like&#8221;, that nail polish or whatever isn&#8217;t inherently feminine. Similarly high heels were originally for men.</p>
<p>People do want to adorn themselves. As long as there is no pressure to do so, why shouldn&#8217;t they?<br />
Would you object to men painting their nails, wearing heels, etc. and if so, why?</p>
<p>The enemy is not nail polish, it&#8217;s that certain appearances and ways of behaving are ascribed to one gender or the other.</p>
<p>And whose lip-liner and stilettos? I don&#8217;t wear either. I never said I was a girlie girl. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s my point, right there. There is a thin line between that women should not feel compelled to enact grooming beyond a bare minimum if they don&#8217;t want to, and a kind of victim-blaming, seeing women who do comply with &#8220;feminine&#8221; as enforced by the patriarchy as mere &#8220;sexbots&#8221; who can&#8217;t possibly have a brain. The devaluing of anything seen as &#8220;feminine&#8221; is in fact misogyny.</p>
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		<title>By: PoMo</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/08/30/1447/#comment-128075</link>
		<dc:creator>PoMo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 18:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In case you&#039;re interested, the Asian Human Rights Commission has an online letter writing campaign for urgent appeals &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ahrchk.net/ua/mainfile.php/2008/2969/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In case you&#8217;re interested, the Asian Human Rights Commission has an online letter writing campaign for urgent appeals <a href="http://www.ahrchk.net/ua/mainfile.php/2008/2969/" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: PandanCat</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/08/30/1447/#comment-128064</link>
		<dc:creator>PandanCat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 16:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Major agreement with what Dana said. Also, let&#039;s not forget that not all Pakistani women -- or men -- are just accepting this. One of my dearest friends from university was a visiting scholar from Pakistan. NCO in the army, teacher and researcher at a military academy, small-town born and bred, arranged marriage to the significantly younger cousin, the whole package. Unlikely as it sounds, he was (and still is) a vocal supporter of women&#039;s rights. It appalls his family and village, but he carries out the same rites and festivities in honor of his daughters that are traditionally reserved for sons and vows to support any decision they want to make about their own lives. In his society, that&#039;s revolutionary.

Also worth noting is a mainstream (if fabulously old-school, productionwise) movie called Qaid (Prison). It tells the story of a rich young woman from the city (complete with her own jet ski and SUV) who falls for a reformed chauvinist pig. Her daddy stipulates that he must move in to her house (very unconventional) and he finally agrees. They get married, have a daughter and seem to be the perfect liberated, urbane family. (Being a South Asian movie, that part is told in a song and dance number.) They arrive home after a trip to the ice cream parlor and find a group of scary-macho tribal guys sitting in the living room. They inform the young man that his father is dying and that he needs to come back to take over the tribe. She can&#039;t believe that this is happening -- and is even more horrified when he agrees to go. Still, she has faith that he&#039;ll change the tribe for the better.

Well, before you know it, he&#039;s lounging with dancing girls and mustachioed guys with AK-47s and she&#039;s relegated to the zenana (women&#039;s quarters) having all the accouterments of traditional femininity forced on her by the evil mother-in-law. Oh, and she discovers that he&#039;s actually engaged to an elite tribal girl. The only people who have any sympathy for her are the three transwomen and one young woman who is in love with an &#039;unsuitable&#039; nomadic shepherd lad. When the woman planning elopement is murdered by her family, the heroine ends up locked up in a shed and her daughter taken by the tribeswomen. The girl escapes, runs to the shed and, crying pitifully, tells her mother (through the heavy wooden door) about how the mother-in-law is trying to brainwash her about being a &#039;proper woman&#039;. The heroine is desperate to save herself and her daughter, and the transwomen come to the rescue. They free the mother, give the pair food and water and smuggle them out of the compound. When the men discover what&#039;s happened, the transwomen confront them about their unjust customs and are summarily killed for their efforts.

The city mother and child, unfortunately, get lost in the desert. Their water runs out. Far in the distance, she can see her father&#039;s truck. On the other side, though, she sees the armed warparty led by her husband. The men on horseback catch up just before her father arrives and she knows that they&#039;re going to kill her.

But hey, turns out they were coming to say that they&#039;ve realized the error of their ways -- oh, and there&#039;s the not-really-dead girl and her gypsy fiancee and hey, it&#039;s all good!  With brilliant low-budget abruptness, the film ends. The tribal women gained their rights, patriarchy was dismantled and everybody lived happily ever after.

I don&#039;t know how it was received in Pakistan, but the fact that a mainstream song/dance/fight/love/angst film was released with this kind of storyline has to count for /something/!

I&#039;m sorry for the obscenely long post. However, I feel it&#039;s important to show that sick fellows like that senator don&#039;t represent the only view in town, or that concern about these kind of issues aren&#039;t solely the purview of insensitive white feminists!

(Not to say that there&#039;s not still an a**load of patriarchy to destroy.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Major agreement with what Dana said. Also, let&#8217;s not forget that not all Pakistani women &#8212; or men &#8212; are just accepting this. One of my dearest friends from university was a visiting scholar from Pakistan. NCO in the army, teacher and researcher at a military academy, small-town born and bred, arranged marriage to the significantly younger cousin, the whole package. Unlikely as it sounds, he was (and still is) a vocal supporter of women&#8217;s rights. It appalls his family and village, but he carries out the same rites and festivities in honor of his daughters that are traditionally reserved for sons and vows to support any decision they want to make about their own lives. In his society, that&#8217;s revolutionary.</p>
<p>Also worth noting is a mainstream (if fabulously old-school, productionwise) movie called Qaid (Prison). It tells the story of a rich young woman from the city (complete with her own jet ski and SUV) who falls for a reformed chauvinist pig. Her daddy stipulates that he must move in to her house (very unconventional) and he finally agrees. They get married, have a daughter and seem to be the perfect liberated, urbane family. (Being a South Asian movie, that part is told in a song and dance number.) They arrive home after a trip to the ice cream parlor and find a group of scary-macho tribal guys sitting in the living room. They inform the young man that his father is dying and that he needs to come back to take over the tribe. She can&#8217;t believe that this is happening &#8212; and is even more horrified when he agrees to go. Still, she has faith that he&#8217;ll change the tribe for the better.</p>
<p>Well, before you know it, he&#8217;s lounging with dancing girls and mustachioed guys with AK-47s and she&#8217;s relegated to the zenana (women&#8217;s quarters) having all the accouterments of traditional femininity forced on her by the evil mother-in-law. Oh, and she discovers that he&#8217;s actually engaged to an elite tribal girl. The only people who have any sympathy for her are the three transwomen and one young woman who is in love with an &#8216;unsuitable&#8217; nomadic shepherd lad. When the woman planning elopement is murdered by her family, the heroine ends up locked up in a shed and her daughter taken by the tribeswomen. The girl escapes, runs to the shed and, crying pitifully, tells her mother (through the heavy wooden door) about how the mother-in-law is trying to brainwash her about being a &#8216;proper woman&#8217;. The heroine is desperate to save herself and her daughter, and the transwomen come to the rescue. They free the mother, give the pair food and water and smuggle them out of the compound. When the men discover what&#8217;s happened, the transwomen confront them about their unjust customs and are summarily killed for their efforts.</p>
<p>The city mother and child, unfortunately, get lost in the desert. Their water runs out. Far in the distance, she can see her father&#8217;s truck. On the other side, though, she sees the armed warparty led by her husband. The men on horseback catch up just before her father arrives and she knows that they&#8217;re going to kill her.</p>
<p>But hey, turns out they were coming to say that they&#8217;ve realized the error of their ways &#8212; oh, and there&#8217;s the not-really-dead girl and her gypsy fiancee and hey, it&#8217;s all good!  With brilliant low-budget abruptness, the film ends. The tribal women gained their rights, patriarchy was dismantled and everybody lived happily ever after.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know how it was received in Pakistan, but the fact that a mainstream song/dance/fight/love/angst film was released with this kind of storyline has to count for /something/!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry for the obscenely long post. However, I feel it&#8217;s important to show that sick fellows like that senator don&#8217;t represent the only view in town, or that concern about these kind of issues aren&#8217;t solely the purview of insensitive white feminists!</p>
<p>(Not to say that there&#8217;s not still an a**load of patriarchy to destroy.)</p>
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		<title>By: Antoinette Niebieszczanski</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/08/30/1447/#comment-128052</link>
		<dc:creator>Antoinette Niebieszczanski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 12:59:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At the risk of sounding culturally ignorant, I bet these buttmunches take better care of their livestock than they do of their daughters.  Not that there aren&#039;t similar communities here in the good ol&#039; USA.  I&#039;m sure there are plenty of places where they&#039;d just love to bring back the merry old tradition of stoning adulteresses.

And when we live in a post-patriarchal society is the only time we&#039;ll be able to not bag femininity.  Until then, it&#039;s simply too costly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the risk of sounding culturally ignorant, I bet these buttmunches take better care of their livestock than they do of their daughters.  Not that there aren&#8217;t similar communities here in the good ol&#8217; USA.  I&#8217;m sure there are plenty of places where they&#8217;d just love to bring back the merry old tradition of stoning adulteresses.</p>
<p>And when we live in a post-patriarchal society is the only time we&#8217;ll be able to not bag femininity.  Until then, it&#8217;s simply too costly.</p>
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		<title>By: Lauredhel</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/08/30/1447/#comment-128050</link>
		<dc:creator>Lauredhel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 12:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;What else do we need to carry around?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

A large water bottle, in this climate. Sunscreen and SPF chapstick, and a hat. When I was pregnant or lactating, a snack or two. The book I  used to always tote has been replaced by an iPod shuffle with audiobooks on it, which reduces the lugging a bit. Sometimes, something warmer or cooler to wear, and/or a raincoat or umbrella. Tissues or hanky (yay hayfever). Medication. 

When I had longer hair, a brush or comb and scrunchie. When accompanied by a baby, I needed lots of other stuff (nappies, change of clothes for him and me, EBM, and so on.) Some people need reading glasses.

But I use a backpack, either small or large depending on how much I need to carry, not a purse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>What else do we need to carry around?</p></blockquote>
<p>A large water bottle, in this climate. Sunscreen and SPF chapstick, and a hat. When I was pregnant or lactating, a snack or two. The book I  used to always tote has been replaced by an iPod shuffle with audiobooks on it, which reduces the lugging a bit. Sometimes, something warmer or cooler to wear, and/or a raincoat or umbrella. Tissues or hanky (yay hayfever). Medication. </p>
<p>When I had longer hair, a brush or comb and scrunchie. When accompanied by a baby, I needed lots of other stuff (nappies, change of clothes for him and me, EBM, and so on.) Some people need reading glasses.</p>
<p>But I use a backpack, either small or large depending on how much I need to carry, not a purse.</p>
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