Comments on: Why are these notoriously fickle warlords smiling? http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/12/27/why-are-these-notoriously-fickle-warlords-smiling/ Fri, 12 Mar 2010 04:43:55 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: thebewilderness http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/12/27/why-are-these-notoriously-fickle-warlords-smiling/#comment-138932 thebewilderness Fri, 16 Jan 2009 18:25:14 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/12/27/why-are-these-notoriously-fickle-warlords-smiling/#comment-138932 What you do not appear to want to accept, 'the other hand', with your "ill wind that blows nobody any good" argument, is that what happens to these women and girls is of absolutely no consequence whatsoever to the CIA or the warlords. None. All the effects of living in abject submission are negative. There is no mitigation argument possible when the human beings we are discussing are bought, sold, and owned. What you do not appear to want to accept, ‘the other hand’, with your “ill wind that blows nobody any good” argument, is that what happens to these women and girls is of absolutely no consequence whatsoever to the CIA or the warlords. None.
All the effects of living in abject submission are negative. There is no mitigation argument possible when the human beings we are discussing are bought, sold, and owned.

]]> By: Nolabelfits http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/12/27/why-are-these-notoriously-fickle-warlords-smiling/#comment-138877 Nolabelfits Fri, 16 Jan 2009 04:00:09 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/12/27/why-are-these-notoriously-fickle-warlords-smiling/#comment-138877 The whole point here is that warlords are being supplied with Viagra without any concern for the women involved. The other...you are focused on believing that there is some good that comes out of this, despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Evidence such as the alarming statistics of rape in Afghanistan, the overwhelming evidence that child brides as young as 8 years old are common, that women are used as currency, etc. The evidence would suggest that the positive outcome of this practice is at best minimal. Extremely minimal. In fact, I would wager that a newly studly warlord, instead of being happy with the harem he's got, would suddenly find himself "worthy" of a new 10 year old bride! That seems more plausible to me. However, I am going to take Twisty's advice in her FAQ section and endeavor to "shut my piehole" on this one. I've posted enough. The whole point here is that warlords are being supplied with Viagra without any concern for the women involved. The other…you are focused on believing that there is some good that comes out of this, despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Evidence such as the alarming statistics of rape in Afghanistan, the overwhelming evidence that child brides as young as 8 years old are common, that women are used as currency, etc. The evidence would suggest that the positive outcome of this practice is at best minimal. Extremely minimal. In fact, I would wager that a newly studly warlord, instead of being happy with the harem he’s got, would suddenly find himself “worthy” of a new 10 year old bride! That seems more plausible to me.

However, I am going to take Twisty’s advice in her FAQ section and endeavor to “shut my piehole” on this one. I’ve posted enough.

]]> By: Kuleana http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/12/27/why-are-these-notoriously-fickle-warlords-smiling/#comment-138864 Kuleana Fri, 16 Jan 2009 02:44:10 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/12/27/why-are-these-notoriously-fickle-warlords-smiling/#comment-138864 <i>I agree Nola, but I was addressing this specific issue and pointing out all the potential effects are not totally negative.</i> A choice between being raped and being beaten? That doesn't sound like much of a choice at all. I agree Nola, but I was addressing this specific issue and pointing out all the potential effects are not totally negative.

A choice between being raped and being beaten? That doesn’t sound like much of a choice at all.

]]> By: The Other Hand http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/12/27/why-are-these-notoriously-fickle-warlords-smiling/#comment-138856 The Other Hand Fri, 16 Jan 2009 00:11:59 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/12/27/why-are-these-notoriously-fickle-warlords-smiling/#comment-138856 I agree Nola, but I was addressing this specific issue and pointing out all the potential effects are not totally negative. I know that if the Patriarchy didn't exist this wouldn't be an issue, but that is not the case. I agree Nola, but I was addressing this specific issue and pointing out all the potential effects are not totally negative. I know that if the Patriarchy didn’t exist this wouldn’t be an issue, but that is not the case.

]]> By: Nolabelfits http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/12/27/why-are-these-notoriously-fickle-warlords-smiling/#comment-138801 Nolabelfits Thu, 15 Jan 2009 05:54:41 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/12/27/why-are-these-notoriously-fickle-warlords-smiling/#comment-138801 Ok. I get it. The "trickle down theory." If the warlord gets what he wants, maybe something will pass on to the unfortunate wives. Less beatings, etc. But once again, I have to say that women should not be required to "put out" in order to regulate the moods and behavior of males. Ok. I get it. The “trickle down theory.” If the warlord gets what he wants, maybe something will pass on to the unfortunate wives. Less beatings, etc. But once again, I have to say that women should not be required to “put out” in order to regulate the moods and behavior of males.

]]> By: The other hand http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/12/27/why-are-these-notoriously-fickle-warlords-smiling/#comment-138800 The other hand Thu, 15 Jan 2009 05:22:56 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/12/27/why-are-these-notoriously-fickle-warlords-smiling/#comment-138800 I am sure in some (possibly many) cases your right Nolabelfits. It doesn't mean that universally. I don't claim it will be universally good, I am simply pointing out there may be some unintentional good from this. I am sure in some (possibly many) cases your right Nolabelfits. It doesn’t mean that universally. I don’t claim it will be universally good, I am simply pointing out there may be some unintentional good from this.

]]> By: Nolabelfits http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/12/27/why-are-these-notoriously-fickle-warlords-smiling/#comment-138797 Nolabelfits Thu, 15 Jan 2009 04:41:24 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/12/27/why-are-these-notoriously-fickle-warlords-smiling/#comment-138797 In Fact, the bonar means she will be raped in addition to being beaten, The Other Hand. In Fact, the bonar means she will be raped in addition to being beaten, The Other Hand.

]]> By: The other hand http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/12/27/why-are-these-notoriously-fickle-warlords-smiling/#comment-138795 The other hand Thu, 15 Jan 2009 04:19:00 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/12/27/why-are-these-notoriously-fickle-warlords-smiling/#comment-138795 Nola: You make a lot of assumptions in your post. I was addressing several different possiblitles, not all in the same one. Namely 1) That it is possible that the Husband and wife(s) actually like each other and enjoy having sex. Thus the wives would be happy that they would be getting sex. OR 2) Perhaps the impotence had caused friction at home, with the husband blaming his wives and taking out his frustration on them. The Viagra would serve to (temporarily anyway) relieve the problems. I realize women in these societies have problems galore regardless, however this approach by the CIA is not necessarily going to have universally bad effects. Nola:

You make a lot of assumptions in your post. I was addressing several different possiblitles, not all in the same one. Namely

1) That it is possible that the Husband and wife(s) actually like each other and enjoy having sex. Thus the wives would be happy that they would be getting sex.

OR

2) Perhaps the impotence had caused friction at home, with the husband blaming his wives and taking out his frustration on them. The Viagra would serve to (temporarily anyway) relieve the problems.

I realize women in these societies have problems galore regardless, however this approach by the CIA is not necessarily going to have universally bad effects.

]]> By: Nolabelfits http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/12/27/why-are-these-notoriously-fickle-warlords-smiling/#comment-138793 Nolabelfits Thu, 15 Jan 2009 04:11:07 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/12/27/why-are-these-notoriously-fickle-warlords-smiling/#comment-138793 Once again, The other hand, I have to point out to you that women who are "slapped around when hubby can't get it up" and/or "suffer beatings and mistreatments galore" are generally not interested in getting "the sex they've missed out on" when hubby CAN get it up. A "recipe for beatings and mistreatments" generally does not endear a woman to a man, regardless of which culture she lives in. IN a scenario such as this, she is usually ecstatic when "the old guy goes limp." Think about it. An abused woman does not suddenly get all amorous just because the abuser gets a bonar. Once again, The other hand, I have to point out to you that women who are “slapped around when hubby can’t get it up” and/or “suffer beatings and mistreatments galore” are generally not interested in getting “the sex they’ve missed out on” when hubby CAN get it up. A “recipe for beatings and mistreatments” generally does not endear a woman to a man, regardless of which culture she lives in. IN a scenario such as this, she is usually ecstatic when “the old guy goes limp.” Think about it. An abused woman does not suddenly get all amorous just because the abuser gets a bonar.

]]> By: The other hand http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/12/27/why-are-these-notoriously-fickle-warlords-smiling/#comment-138746 The other hand Wed, 14 Jan 2009 20:27:38 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/12/27/why-are-these-notoriously-fickle-warlords-smiling/#comment-138746 Why are you opposed to there being some good coming out of it? Why are you opposed to there being some good coming out of it?

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