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		<title>By: acm</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2009/01/30/friday-burlesque-blogging/#comment-141911</link>
		<dc:creator>acm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 17:36:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>for what it&#039;s worth, the video was subsequently pulled...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>for what it&#8217;s worth, the video was subsequently pulled&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Hedgepig</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2009/01/30/friday-burlesque-blogging/#comment-141018</link>
		<dc:creator>Hedgepig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 03:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Natalia, I was trying to articulate your viewpoint a few days ago and totally failed. I kept fleeing the Blame button at the last moment thinking nope that&#039;s not quite what I want to get across. So, thanks for that, and ditto.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Natalia, I was trying to articulate your viewpoint a few days ago and totally failed. I kept fleeing the Blame button at the last moment thinking nope that&#8217;s not quite what I want to get across. So, thanks for that, and ditto.</p>
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		<title>By: Natalia</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2009/01/30/friday-burlesque-blogging/#comment-141010</link>
		<dc:creator>Natalia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 00:47:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm. She has an interesting career. The renowned idiocy of YouTube commenters isn&#039;t her problem - it&#039;s the problem of YouTube commenters. 

It ain&#039;t my problem when some guy calls me a &quot;whore&quot; for exposing a shoulder in public either. Might not be performance art, but fact is, we all judge each other on appearance, we all react to each other&#039;s bodies (us being corporeal beings and all) - and I think that sexist reactions are the responsibility of the sexist in question.

As for artistic intent - I think that how it is received depends on the audience in question, and audience is not at all uniform - even the biggest misogynists in this world will differ as to how they approach her performance. Some will say it&#039;s a sin. Some will laugh at it. Some will be appalled. Some will be challenged or terrified by it - and express anger to cover for their feelings. Saying that intent and/or audience demographics don&#039;t matter it&#039;s like saying that the only correct reading of, say, the work of Kate Atkinson was done by the Daily Mail when it became outraged that a &quot;chambermaid won the Whitbread.&quot; In essence, it would mean that we shouldn&#039;t create anything at all - lest a group of assholes, any assholes, appropriate it or twist its meaning. 

As an undergrad, I did my thesis on Kate Atkinson&#039;s second book - and while I don&#039;t think it necessarily came close to her own intent, it was pretty different from what the Daily Mail wrote about her. Of course, I always knew that my thesis was never going to be read like the Daily Mail is read - but that didn&#039;t inspire me to throw up my hands and announce to my prof that it doesn&#039;t matter and that I&#039;m going to the pub instead of finishing it. You do what you must, after all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm. She has an interesting career. The renowned idiocy of YouTube commenters isn&#8217;t her problem &#8211; it&#8217;s the problem of YouTube commenters. </p>
<p>It ain&#8217;t my problem when some guy calls me a &#8220;whore&#8221; for exposing a shoulder in public either. Might not be performance art, but fact is, we all judge each other on appearance, we all react to each other&#8217;s bodies (us being corporeal beings and all) &#8211; and I think that sexist reactions are the responsibility of the sexist in question.</p>
<p>As for artistic intent &#8211; I think that how it is received depends on the audience in question, and audience is not at all uniform &#8211; even the biggest misogynists in this world will differ as to how they approach her performance. Some will say it&#8217;s a sin. Some will laugh at it. Some will be appalled. Some will be challenged or terrified by it &#8211; and express anger to cover for their feelings. Saying that intent and/or audience demographics don&#8217;t matter it&#8217;s like saying that the only correct reading of, say, the work of Kate Atkinson was done by the Daily Mail when it became outraged that a &#8220;chambermaid won the Whitbread.&#8221; In essence, it would mean that we shouldn&#8217;t create anything at all &#8211; lest a group of assholes, any assholes, appropriate it or twist its meaning. </p>
<p>As an undergrad, I did my thesis on Kate Atkinson&#8217;s second book &#8211; and while I don&#8217;t think it necessarily came close to her own intent, it was pretty different from what the Daily Mail wrote about her. Of course, I always knew that my thesis was never going to be read like the Daily Mail is read &#8211; but that didn&#8217;t inspire me to throw up my hands and announce to my prof that it doesn&#8217;t matter and that I&#8217;m going to the pub instead of finishing it. You do what you must, after all.</p>
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		<title>By: Daisy P</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2009/01/30/friday-burlesque-blogging/#comment-140998</link>
		<dc:creator>Daisy P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 21:26:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The old principle, &quot;I read it for the articles&quot; sort of applies here.

  No...you (they) look at it for the nudity, the woman&#039;s nudity, you don&#039;t care about artistic interpretation, or having any kind of &quot;artistic literacy&quot;....even academics would not care about the &quot;irony&quot; of a performance like this.  I kind of get what she&#039;s trying to do, but the wrong people will be looking if she is trying to get a message across in that way.

Sorry, but by the time I got to this thread, the vid had been removed, and  had to do some mighty nimble scrolling, even on me nice little rolling mouse to get down to here,  so am going by comments alone.  

Oh and, &quot;The obscenity of the male sex is that everything fills up, swells up, and spews poison&quot;.  Daisy &quot;Satire&quot; Puke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The old principle, &#8220;I read it for the articles&#8221; sort of applies here.</p>
<p>  No&#8230;you (they) look at it for the nudity, the woman&#8217;s nudity, you don&#8217;t care about artistic interpretation, or having any kind of &#8220;artistic literacy&#8221;&#8230;.even academics would not care about the &#8220;irony&#8221; of a performance like this.  I kind of get what she&#8217;s trying to do, but the wrong people will be looking if she is trying to get a message across in that way.</p>
<p>Sorry, but by the time I got to this thread, the vid had been removed, and  had to do some mighty nimble scrolling, even on me nice little rolling mouse to get down to here,  so am going by comments alone.  </p>
<p>Oh and, &#8220;The obscenity of the male sex is that everything fills up, swells up, and spews poison&#8221;.  Daisy &#8220;Satire&#8221; Puke.</p>
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		<title>By: delphyne</title>
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		<dc:creator>delphyne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 15:00:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Valerie Solanas had some plans.  They didn&#039;t involve high heels, nakedness and red hankies though:

&quot;SCUM will become members of the unwork force, the fuck-up force; they will get jobs of various kinds an unwork. For example, SCUM salesgirls will not charge for merchandise; SCUM telephone operators will not charge for calls; SCUM office and factory workers, in addition to fucking up their work, will secretly destroy equipment. SCUM will unwork at a job until fired, then get a new job to unwork at.

SCUM will forcibly relieve bus drivers, cab drivers and subway token sellers of their jobs and run buses and cabs and dispense free tokens to the public.

SCUM will destroy all useless and harmful objects — cars, store windows, `Great Art’, etc.

Eventually SCUM will take over the airwaves — radio and TV networks — by forcibly relieving of their jobs all radio and TV employees who would impede SCUM’s entry into the broadcasting studios.

SCUM will couple-bust — barge into mixed (male-female) couples, wherever they are, and bust them up.&quot;

When men are claiming something is subversive to the patriarchy, you can be sure it&#039;s a rubbish idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Valerie Solanas had some plans.  They didn&#8217;t involve high heels, nakedness and red hankies though:</p>
<p>&#8220;SCUM will become members of the unwork force, the fuck-up force; they will get jobs of various kinds an unwork. For example, SCUM salesgirls will not charge for merchandise; SCUM telephone operators will not charge for calls; SCUM office and factory workers, in addition to fucking up their work, will secretly destroy equipment. SCUM will unwork at a job until fired, then get a new job to unwork at.</p>
<p>SCUM will forcibly relieve bus drivers, cab drivers and subway token sellers of their jobs and run buses and cabs and dispense free tokens to the public.</p>
<p>SCUM will destroy all useless and harmful objects — cars, store windows, `Great Art’, etc.</p>
<p>Eventually SCUM will take over the airwaves — radio and TV networks — by forcibly relieving of their jobs all radio and TV employees who would impede SCUM’s entry into the broadcasting studios.</p>
<p>SCUM will couple-bust — barge into mixed (male-female) couples, wherever they are, and bust them up.&#8221;</p>
<p>When men are claiming something is subversive to the patriarchy, you can be sure it&#8217;s a rubbish idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Psycho</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2009/01/30/friday-burlesque-blogging/#comment-140967</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Psycho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 14:00:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, how did I know that a striptease posted here would be Ursula Martinez&#039;s magic act...?

I would call this equal parts subversion of the patriarchy, and inventive patriarchal striptease (which might be even more subversive).

I like seeing a nice healthy-looking naked woman -- by which I mean a woman who looks like she&#039;s healthy-minded enough not to be coy or flirtatious but simply &quot;here I am, take me or leave me&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, how did I know that a striptease posted here would be Ursula Martinez&#8217;s magic act&#8230;?</p>
<p>I would call this equal parts subversion of the patriarchy, and inventive patriarchal striptease (which might be even more subversive).</p>
<p>I like seeing a nice healthy-looking naked woman &#8212; by which I mean a woman who looks like she&#8217;s healthy-minded enough not to be coy or flirtatious but simply &#8220;here I am, take me or leave me&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: vitaminC</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2009/01/30/friday-burlesque-blogging/#comment-140889</link>
		<dc:creator>vitaminC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 22:29:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I found Amber Hawk Swanson’s doll photographs deeply disturbing. I know it’s a doll but, to me, it suggests a disabled woman, unable to defend herself.&lt;/i&gt;

@Gayle:

Yeah, I think that&#039;s part of the point. The doll looks just like her, and she&#039;s standing RIGHT THERE with it (or photographing), yet people feel free to do the most disgusting things to it since it can&#039;t fight back. It&#039;s the ultimate victimization.

It&#039;s doubly creepy because it reveals the kind of treatment she herself might experience at the hands of these strangers if she weren&#039;t able to defend herself--and in some cases, even if she were.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I found Amber Hawk Swanson’s doll photographs deeply disturbing. I know it’s a doll but, to me, it suggests a disabled woman, unable to defend herself.</i></p>
<p>@Gayle:</p>
<p>Yeah, I think that&#8217;s part of the point. The doll looks just like her, and she&#8217;s standing RIGHT THERE with it (or photographing), yet people feel free to do the most disgusting things to it since it can&#8217;t fight back. It&#8217;s the ultimate victimization.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s doubly creepy because it reveals the kind of treatment she herself might experience at the hands of these strangers if she weren&#8217;t able to defend herself&#8211;and in some cases, even if she were.</p>
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		<title>By: ivyleaves</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2009/01/30/friday-burlesque-blogging/#comment-140848</link>
		<dc:creator>ivyleaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 17:03:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great commentary. Two things from me:

1. Yes, I thought the shoes were the next logical step, and then she would be done.

2. If the redness of the hanky coming from the vagina was meant to shock by referring to blood, then it should have been white until it came from the vagina. Otherwise, we all missed the point for the most part. Brown would have made it even better, because I thought it came out of her ass as well.

Very meh, in my opinion, and without the nudity, I suspect she would be unemployed.

As far as the lesbian performance space with stripping, I would really like to see some discussion of the misogyny of lesbians, which these days is really getting to be overt as exemplified by the &quot;boi&quot; paradigm. IBTP, of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great commentary. Two things from me:</p>
<p>1. Yes, I thought the shoes were the next logical step, and then she would be done.</p>
<p>2. If the redness of the hanky coming from the vagina was meant to shock by referring to blood, then it should have been white until it came from the vagina. Otherwise, we all missed the point for the most part. Brown would have made it even better, because I thought it came out of her ass as well.</p>
<p>Very meh, in my opinion, and without the nudity, I suspect she would be unemployed.</p>
<p>As far as the lesbian performance space with stripping, I would really like to see some discussion of the misogyny of lesbians, which these days is really getting to be overt as exemplified by the &#8220;boi&#8221; paradigm. IBTP, of course.</p>
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		<title>By: Donna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 02:55:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IBTP for my inability to view the vid on this here site.  I&#039;m not going to bother to search for the thing elsewhere because reading the comments of the Blametariat have given me a good enough idea of what is going on.  I&#039;m just going to say that the analogy of women-as-toilets is probably the most apt thing I&#039;ve ever read on this site, which is saying something because I never cease to be gobsmacked by the aptness of the Blamertariat.   

Therefore, the notion that a woman can chuck her clothes and gyrate onstage in just about any public situation and have it subvert the patriarchy is nigh on unimaginable.  &quot;Oh look!  There&#039;s a toilet!  And it&#039;s engaging in amusing and eccentric antics!  I will especially enjoy relieving my incontinence in this particular one!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IBTP for my inability to view the vid on this here site.  I&#8217;m not going to bother to search for the thing elsewhere because reading the comments of the Blametariat have given me a good enough idea of what is going on.  I&#8217;m just going to say that the analogy of women-as-toilets is probably the most apt thing I&#8217;ve ever read on this site, which is saying something because I never cease to be gobsmacked by the aptness of the Blamertariat.   </p>
<p>Therefore, the notion that a woman can chuck her clothes and gyrate onstage in just about any public situation and have it subvert the patriarchy is nigh on unimaginable.  &#8220;Oh look!  There&#8217;s a toilet!  And it&#8217;s engaging in amusing and eccentric antics!  I will especially enjoy relieving my incontinence in this particular one!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: atheistwoman</title>
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		<dc:creator>atheistwoman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 15:46:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But yes Delphyne, cleaning up semen is empowerful. As is cleaning bathrooms to begin with. Because it lets them work yanno*. And without a doubt all the women being exploited inside the shop are white and totally love it! And setting your tits on fire is the bees knees! Have I made my point yet!(wrt the sarcastic explanation points). Anyway don&#039;t you know that women can&#039;t do anything to oppose the system, unless it&#039;s doing exactly what the system wants?


*Rather than questioning why anyone in their right minds would be cleaning other people&#039;s bathrooms if not for fear of poverty. And why the hell is that? One fucked up world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But yes Delphyne, cleaning up semen is empowerful. As is cleaning bathrooms to begin with. Because it lets them work yanno*. And without a doubt all the women being exploited inside the shop are white and totally love it! And setting your tits on fire is the bees knees! Have I made my point yet!(wrt the sarcastic explanation points). Anyway don&#8217;t you know that women can&#8217;t do anything to oppose the system, unless it&#8217;s doing exactly what the system wants?</p>
<p>*Rather than questioning why anyone in their right minds would be cleaning other people&#8217;s bathrooms if not for fear of poverty. And why the hell is that? One fucked up world.</p>
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