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Feb 15 2009

Spinster aunt eradicates male viewpoint

As the result of a snippet of commentary found on yesterday’s post, there will be a slight adjustment to the comments policy.

The snippet was this: “…dewds insist on encroaching on a blog where they are specifically asked not to comment.”

The truth is, men have merely been asked not be fucking pedantic assholes, but the policy could do with a bit of explication, and perhaps an augmentation. Sure, fucking pedantic assholes are right out, but, as unprecedented deletions most certainly loom on the horizon, a clarification on the official blog position on general dude-generated comments is in order. So let’s roll.

Male commenters are still welcome, of course. But they are asked to respect the Blame from within slightly different parameters.

But first, a review of the beloved comments policy, never read, alas, by a single soul, living or dead:

Anyone* can read this blog. However, there is a prerequisite for commenting. That prerequisite is an advanced grasp of the ideas central to radical feminism. For the purposes of Blametariat eligibility, and by way of a sort of self-test, prospective commenters should be able to reproduce a reasonably comprehensive summary of radical feminist theory without Googling anything first. Comments will commence from the point of view that the value of the liberation of women is not itself a matter of debate. Dissenting opinions will clearly exhibit philosophic value, and will proceed from within a framework of feminist theory. Antifeminist comments will not be admitted into discussion.

And now, the dudes. The above applies to them, of course, but since they are, whether they like it or not, wielders of privilege not enjoyed by the majority of patriarchy blamers, special strictures must obtain. These strictures are necessary in order to maintain an environment wherein the Blametariat may blame in peace without constantly having to educate, reward, defend, endure amateur pornography, or declare war.

With five years as an Internet Feminist under my belt, I’ve found that men who leave comments on radical feminist blogs — these are would-be legitimate commenters, not MRA trolls or gawkers — are often under a serious misapprehension. That misapprehension, if they are under it, is always twofold. In extreme cases, it is threefold. You can probably think of a few more folds I’m forgetting.

Fold #1: He “gets” feminism.

Fold #2: Feminist women, because of our infamous preoccupation with women’s issues to the exclusion of all else, are extensively mystified by the complex inner workings of his unique man-brain, and urgently require an overview of same, which will be bestowed either out of deep concern for the tragic constriction of our horizons, in an attempt correct our thinking on key feminist issues, or as an act of exhibitionism.

Fold #3: The Blametariat, now bursting with empathy after having been enlightened per 1 & 2, will stop what they are doing and help him address his pain/ read his amateur porn/ redefine feminism in terms of men/ otherwise meet his needs.

I would like to take this opportunity to cure such commenters of a wild delusion.

Hear me, O afflicted dudes: If you truly do “get” feminism, you know that, like all oppressed classes, women, as a matter of survival, are intimate to the point of exhaustion with the drives, appetites, illnesses, angsts, yearnings, hopes, dreams, great works, and bodily functions of the oppressor. We grasp these things utterly and without omission because we do not live in a cave; they are the default subjects of all art, literature, music, science, film, blogs, dinner conversation, science fiction, advertising, journalism, legislation, TV, the Internet, religion, technology, sport, and miscellaneous culture both low and high. The minute some dude tells me something I don’t already know about dudeliness, I’ll eat a bonobo.

Therefore this blog — the author and readers of which have been soaking in male experience since the cradle — is in fact unconcerned with male experience.

Yup.

This blog is unconcerned with male experience. For real.

This blog is concerned, solely, with radical feminist theory. Well, that, and Cool Whip. The difference between “male experience” and “radical feminist theory” is substantial enough that anyone who has gotten this far should be able to perceive it, therefore I expect all future commentary to reflect the following:

Pedantic assholes, naturally, are still prohibited, but henceforth, whether openly assholic or not, any comment that purports to enlighten the Blametariat by expounding on or from the male point of view will be more or less regarded as a block of government cheese.

Need an example? Remarks commencing with the phrase “As a guy, it has been my experience that _____”; that contain descriptive paragraphs about hot sex with your girlfriend or your relationship with your penis; that toss in an executive summary of your women friends’ views; and that conclude with “just my 2 cents,” will not be admitted into discussion.

I expect it will be a challenge for some to eschew the dudely pulpit. But it must be done, for the sake of the children.

One strives for seamless integration. It’s what I envisioned when I wrote the other day that a guy who could pass for a year on IBTP as a radical feminist lesbian would get a card with the word “Human” printed on it. It could happen. For instance, so lacking in bloviational and/or sex-confessional dudeliness were PhysioProf’s early comments, for the longest time I thought he was a lady. Well, not a lady.

Ditto Rootlesscosmo. He always manages to enbiggen to the discourse without relying on dudely authori-tay.

Hey, remember when everyone thought Ron Sullivan was a dude? Good times.

By the way, Ron, you might want to close your italics tags on Toad.

Well, carry on, all.

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* Anyone, that is, who speaks English and has a computer, universal access, and an internet connection. That’s hardly anybody, I guess.

137 comments

4 pings

  1. mir

    Thank you, brave Captain Faster. I’ve had Dude Nation up to here.

    And thank you, and the noble Blametariat, for your continued indulgence with those of us who do not, in fact, have an authoritative grasp on rad fem theory (because for instance some of us dropped out of high school then college then were partnered to a dewd for a lot of years then woke up with 40 fast approaching and decided something had to be done with all this fucking fury) but instead are doing our best just to catch/wake up.

    It’s deeply appreciated. All of it.

  2. Orange

    1. Oh, crap. I’m not authorized to post here. Truly, I picked up the bulk of my knowledge of radical feminism right here, and I surely started commenting before I’d been around long enough to grasp the essential tenets. Glad not to have been banished.

    2. Discussions of racism have told me that really, people of color know way the hell more about white folks than white folks know about other groups, owing to the whole dominance/privilege bidness. Only a woman living alone in a cave (where she was born) without access to TV, internet, and the mails is unaware of what men do, say, and think. It’s rather inescapable.

    3. Holy cow, PhysioProf is a man? I thought I was an attentive reader but I totally missed that. And I’m not sure if I was hip to rootlesscosmo’s sex, either. I’m always a little surprised when someone takes me for a man in blog comments, but really, people are going to bring their own assumptions to what they read, and if they think Physio is a kickass woman or I’m a man, sobeit.

  3. nolabelfits

    “because for instance some of us dropped out of high school then college then were partnered to a dewd for a lot of years then woke up with 40 fast approaching and decided something had to be done with all this fucking fury) but instead are doing our best just to catch/wake up.”

    Sigh. I’m with ya Mir.

  4. Anna Belle

    I protest! I read the commentariat policy, and lurked for months to make sure the radical feminism in my head was relevant to the discussion. I even refrain from emoticons, though I admit to a weakness for verbal attempts at such (as in my eye-brow wiggling last week). Also, I have very decent grammar skills, I think.

    So no, your policy is not universally ignored. While it may never have been read by the dead, I assure you, as a living breathing human being (who happens to have a vagina), your policy was read and adhered to.

    No comment on dudes. I don’t even think about them unless I absolutely have to.

  5. Citizen Jane

    “If you truly do “get” feminism, you know that, like all oppressed classes, women, as a matter of survival, are intimate to the point of exhaustion with the drives, appetites, illnesses, angsts, yearnings, hopes, dreams, great works, and bodily functions of the oppressor.”

    My gosh, that whole paragraph was amazing. I have been trying to articulate this for some time, but you just did it beautifully. We live in a world where us women are expected to constantly cater to the needs of men (especially those in our families or intimate relationships). Men, on the other hand, are mostly used to their needs being catered to all the time, especially by their mothers and any heterosexual significant others.

    This is embodied in the common stereotype where a man says something blatantly offensive, his girlfriend gets upset, and he assumes the deer-in-headlights expression as he asks “What did I do?” If the hurt and upset girlfriend doesn’t sit down with him and calmly spell out to him why exactly his disrespect is a bad thing, he’ll blow off her feelings by claiming that she expects him to read his mind.

    Such blokes will often like to make belittling comments about how they don’t understand women, in a manner that implies women are just so irrational and hysterical that they are beyond understanding by the logical man-brain. Of course they don’t understand us. They never had to, since they are used to their needs always being catered to and never had a reason to notice how women are feeling. Women, on the other hand, who have their whole life practicing being in tune with every little signal of a man’s needs, are aghast as to how men could be so oblivious to their own needs and feelings. I most certainly BTP.

  6. VibratingLiz

    Thank you thank you thank you, Twisty, from the bottom of my shrill hairy spleen. I have had it up here with certain dickwart commenters who brag endlessly about what excellent feminist allies they are while simultaneously dishing out condescending advice and instruction and pats on the head to an imagined audience of eternally grateful women.

  7. Apostate

    Was my comment not published in the Humanity v. Porn post because I briefly mentioned the surprise (or lack thereof) of my male sexual partners, as subdivided by age, when confronted with my pubic hair?

    If that was the case, I assure you, Twisty – whom I adore – that that was not an instance of caring what the male public thinks or feels about female pubic hair. It was my attempt at anecdotally confirming that this whole shaving your pubes thing is a recent change in the mores of feminine “hygiene.” (Since younger men tend to expect bald mounds and older men don’t seem to have an opinion on the matter.)

    I honestly could care less what dudes feel about it, from a prescriptive viewpoint; i.e., I don’t think men’s opinion on this matter should affect female behavior, and in a just and feminist world, it wouldn’t.

    By the way, I would hate for the discussion to be derailed, so this is for your eyes only and you don’t need to publish it.

  8. Twisty

    I don’t recall having seen the comment to which you allude, Apostate. The Internet must have eaten it.

  9. Daisy P

    You do realize that the big “No” you’ve just thrown out to the spoiled little boys, will be interpreted as a challenge?

    The principle of “When a Man says no, that’s final, when a Woman says No, it’s the start of a negotiation”.

    This rule is in “Misogyny for Dummies” (Level one, page one.)

  10. Hattie

    Come for the theory, stay for the humor. But seriously, folks, this is such a clear exposition of what I’ve been trying to explain to myself about the way dudes use up all the oxygen around them, leaving us women gasping for air.
    I just have to post this. Some great woman made these remarks:

    Hear me, O afflicted dudes: If you truly do “get” feminism, you know that, like all oppressed classes, women, as a matter of survival, are intimate to the point of exhaustion with the drives, appetites, illnesses, angsts, yearnings, hopes, dreams, great works, and bodily functions of the oppressor. We grasp these things utterly and without omission because we do not live in a cave; they are the default subjects of all art, literature, music, science, film, blogs, dinner conversation, science fiction, advertising, journalism, legislation, TV, the Internet, religion, technology, sport, and miscellaneous culture both low and high. The minute some dude tells me something I don’t already know about dudeliness, I’ll eat a bonobo.

  11. PhysioProf

    But first, a review of the beloved comments policy, never read, alas, by a single soul, living or dead

    Twisty, I totes read the comments policy! I swearz!

    Speaking of bonobos, did you know that men are supposed to be in charge of everything, ’cause, like, cavemen and evolution and bonobos and stuff? It’s true! I read it in a scientific journal!

    Hugs,
    Comrade PhysioProf

  12. Valerie M

    Echoing mir and nolabelfits.

    Radical feminism though, sure is making a lot of goshdarn sense! I’ve spent hours pouring over the archives of this blog thinking: ‘exactly’, ‘that’s just what I have always felt’, and ‘damn, that’s what I should have said’.

    For example, I always knew that what I was feeling when I saw pornulated women wasn’t ‘jealousy’, as men (and sometimes women) always insisted. It was blind rage at our collective diminishment. It’s such a relief to come here and have people just know that.

    By the way, I posted once in the past with the name Valerie, but I see there is already at least one other commenter by the same name, so I shall henceforth be Valerie M.

  13. D

    *Applause*
    Thank you, Twisty – for reminding me of why I must remain PISSED OFF.

  14. Lara

    The minute some dude tells me something I don’t already know about dudeliness, I’ll eat a bonobo.

    I definitely would NOT want to eat a bonobo. Which is exactly why I second that.

    Such blokes will often like to make belittling comments about how they don’t understand women, in a manner that implies women are just so irrational and hysterical that they are beyond understanding by the logical man-brain.

    I think that the next time some asshole opines that he “doesn’t understand women” (in the way Citizen Jane was referring to) I’ll respond “Yeah, I agree. Guys are such self-absorbed, irrational assholes. They really don’t get women at all.”

    Twisty, this blog post of yours is incredibly refreshing. Thank you thank you thank you.

  15. hero

    Best post ever, even though I actually DO read the rules, like, every week, just ’cause, yeah. (I don’t comment much because I am, q.e.d., aggressively inarticulate.)

    I heart Twisty.

    And Cool Whip, mmm.

    But not with bonobos.

  16. Vinaigrette Girl

    As one who has finally been called a “feminazi” for doing some Blaming of pro-lifers, and for having short hair (yes, indeedy), I say: oh, yes, we do know the whole dudely thang.

    Some days the only time my mind has fresh air is when I read this blog.

  17. Susan

    Holy centipede, but this is good.

    The minute some dude tells me something I don’t already know about dudeliness, I’ll eat a bonobo.

    Thirded. Whole paragraphs, succinct and pungent, ready to throw at Dude Nation. Thanks, Twisty!

  18. yttik

    I love men, most of the time. I have to say that as a disclaimer because what I love even more is my snarky shirt that says “men have feelings, too, but who really cares?”

    It’s not a statement about men, not at all, it’s a reminder that my whole world shouldn’t revolve around them and their feelings. It’s contrary to what we are taught to do under the patriarchy. What’s ironic is that even my shirt is perceived as being all about men. If I’m not constantly obsessing over men’s feelings, than I must be hating them.

    What drives me crazy is when feminist blogs have a male visitor and all the women are suddenly in awe. Oh he’s so smart and dreamy and remarkable, let’s heap him with praise for being a feminist! I’ve lost jobs within somewhat feminist organizations to men because they were so dazzled. His six month old discovery of feminism outranked my four decades of experience. In fact I’m still angry at MS magazine for putting the president on their cover with the title, “This is what a feminist looks like.” They didn’t even wait to see if he’d do any feministy stuff. Even within the world of feminism, a penis will still trump experience.

  19. Moz

    Save the bonobo! Eat a cat instead, there’s lots of those.

    Just seconding the “stay for the humor” comment! This is worth reading just for the Twisty take on random things that cross your mind and the periodic rants about stuff that we’ve started taking for granted again.

  20. Jonathan

    @Daisy P

    “The principle of “When a Man says no, that’s final, when a Woman says No, it’s the start of a negotiation”.”

    Would you mind if I added this to the male privilege list?

    BTW, Amazing post Twisty! I will never cease to be impressed by your ability to highlight and articulate an injustice into a few clear-cut paragraphs!

  21. madzilla (aka madeleine)

    What mir and everybody said. And dear Twisty, have a real nice bonobo taco (add Cool Whip according to taste) and may you blame in peace forever and ever.

  22. thebewilderness

    Daisy P,
    If you consider the astonishing amount of outraged testosterone that clogs up the spamulator every day, I think you will find that the mere existence of this blog, occupying space on their internets, is perceived as a challenge to the rights of man.

  23. Jon

    I came here about a year ago, read the comments policy and the FAQ and decided that it would be good to sit and listen, or as we say on the internet, lurk. After a year of lurking, I have to say, this is the best thing I’ve read all week. It might be the best thing I’ll read this month. Back to lurking.

  24. Hollywood Marie

    Can Citizen Jane get the “Commenter of the Day” award? I’ll make it.

    Twisty, of course, shall receive the “Blog of the Universe” award.

  25. Chocolate Tort

    I have to admit, I haven’t quite worked my way up to identifying as a radical feminist just yet. Weening oneself off privilege is almost as hard as living under it. And speaking of privilege, I expect that these are useful guidelines for white cis feminists like me when we’re in POC, trans spaces.

    That said, YES! Twisty, you’ve been on a roll of extra awesome lately, and this post just ratchets that up. People keep saying this, but I just have to repeat it; this sums up so well my vague and jumbled thoughts about men in the feminist movement. I’ve had good encounters and bad ones, and you’ve just explained what differentiates the two.

  26. Veganrampage

    I’m fessing up: it was bigmouth ME who wrote that. Twisty I do, if I may, protest that I have read your commenting policy about 5 or 6 times. At first I wanted to be sure I was following your policy, and the other 5 times was for fun.

    The comment policy is one of the funniest things I have ever read, and one insomnia filled night it had me cackling to the point where I was having trouble breathing. You know, old withered crone evil witch-like cackling, the very best kind.

    This is the portion that confused me. That I am easily confused is not a point that I would argue against.

    [This section is found under the heading "Dear God What About the Men." This is the part that confused me. Especially the last line.]

    “FAQ – What about the men?

    Q: Men experience [oppression/rape/porn/motherhood/PMS], too! What about them?”

    “Educating men in the mysterious and rigorous discipline of viewing women as human beings is not, happily, the focus of this blog. However, male persons who wish to hone their patriarchy-blaming chops are encouraged to follow the links in this post.

    Male persons who wish to leave comments on this blog are strongly encouraged not to. Male persons who wish to leave comments, despite the preceding statement, affirm, by clicking the “Blame” button, the following:

    – That they grasp elementary feminist theory and therefore do not question the existence of patriarchy, that they benefit from male privilege, or the validity of the argument for women’s liberation from male oppression.

    – That enbiggening the discourse, rather than an ironic intellectual exercise, is the guiding principle of their commentary.

    – That they have read at least three of the articles suggested in the comments to the aforelinked post.

    But really, it would be better if men just didn’t post in the first place. Really.”

    I can see where I went wrong here, but wouldn’t you say it is ambiguous? You wrote at least two strong suggestions that men not comment.

    Anyhoo, my only wish here Twisty is not to find fault with you or your policy because I think you know how much I admire your work. I just don’t want you to think that I have so little regard for you and your blog that I wouldn’t read your comment policy and respect it.

    Begging most humbly your pardon if I have offended. I am sorry. I often step in it, but I assure you I was trying so hard NOT to do it here. It is amazing how often I achieve what I do not want to. Gah.

  27. Veganrampage

    Oh yes, I forgot to say that this post was a thing of beauty, and a thing of beauty is a joy forever don’t ya know.

  28. lawbitch

    Thanks, Twisty. You rock!

  29. MG

    But first, a review of the beloved comments policy, never read, alas, by a single soul, living or dead

    Oh, great. So society declares I am non-human, and now Twisty declares me undead! That really is adding insult to injury.

    (Although, it’d give me the perfect opportunity to promote the new zombie warcry – “Caaaaaaake…”)

  30. lawbitch

    BTW, I’m disappointed to learn that PhysioProf is a dewd. I imagined this kick ass women with a really cool professorship. Something must be wrong with my dewd-ar.

    Congrats for not being a asshole, PhysioProf. I would put a smilie face here, but in respect for our host’s peference, I won’t.

  31. Twisty

    Well, Veganrampage, you are right and I am wrong. My FAQ department is such a convoluted mess, I don’t even know what’s in it myself, obviously. Apologies.

  32. panoptical

    Not only have I read your comments policy, but I liked it so much that I used it as an example of a good comments policy in a meeting about a journalism website that I’m working on.

    I have to say, bringing up the fact that I follow a radical feminist blog got me a lot of strange looks in said meeting. IBTP.

  33. Pinko Punko

    Where does this blog stand on the innumerable swarm of threatening Grackles that oppress the hapless Texan pedestrian?

    I wonder?

    No, I don’t wonder. I know that Blame™ has been cast down on them previously. I can say that I have now experienced the sinister leering of the Grackle. I say that not as a dude, but as a universal citizen of the sidewalk.

  34. Anna Belle

    Does anyone else feel weird? I’m figuring some plenary indulgence reset button has been pushed now that Twisty has been proven wrong (only once!), and the Universe no longer exists. Thanks A LOT veganrampage. Heh.

    Or maybe I’ve had too much beer and I’m only funny to myself.

  35. Hedgepig

    Thanks for liking my comments Veganrampage. I like yours too. And just when I was thinking maybe I should take a leaf out of all these lurkers’ books and stop wearing out the blame button. I seem unable to shut up on the internet. How do all you lurkers manage not to have a blather and a blame? You’re all very self-controlled. Maybe Twisty should do a lurk roll call, just so we know you’re all out there blamin’ along with the loud mouths.

    P.S. rootlesscosmo is a man??

  36. ZoBabe

    This is fantastic. I humbly request that this eradication be expanded out of the blogosphere, and into my geographical location, as I’m lately finding very little within the male viewpoint to merit preservation.

  37. Nolabelfits

    ZoBabe,

    You can do it. Just say shut the fuck up in person. The shock it engenders is sublime.

  38. ZoBabe

    Thanks! I do that anyway, but it does get tiresome day in and day out. I was thinking of just declining to frequent social forums where there is a predominantly male demographic. But then I realized that that would be everywhere.

    Also, this is a pretty small town. While I can always find a newbie to shock out of their socks with my audacity, the regulars have simply banded together and had me declared insane.

    [sigh]

  39. Veganrampage

    I am not right and Twisty is not wrong. The FAQ section is a work of utter perfection and I will hear nothing against it. If it sends a mixed message, isn’t that what the P has done to us our whole lives? It clearly states that men may comment yet they better watch their ass.
    I took from it what I wanted to take from it.

    I assume that the FAQ section was written about five years ago and perhaps Twisty doesn’t re-read her own FAQ section for her amusement like I do. I am a newcomer and looking at some past posts and comments, have seen what appeared to be many dewds barely towing the line. I can’t imagine the hoard of assholes Twisty had to fight off when she started IBTP.

    If Twisty wants to update her policy or clarify her policy because the hoards of assholes have diminished that is great. I had no idea the PhysioProf was male and as Hedgepig says rootlesscosmo is a dude?

    Furthermore, I refuse to be right.

    If I had any class I would have privately emailed Twisty, but I didn’t think of that until halfway through this comment. Must be the chronic depression, it lowers my IQ to the average MRA member.

    May you live long and prosper Twisty.

    Vegan hugs.

    Furthermore, I refuse to be right.

  40. Sascha

    Orange: Discussions of racism have told me that really, people of color know way the hell more about white folks than white folks know about other groups…

    In fact, they know a hell of a lot more about white folks than white folks know about themselves.

    Ditto women about men. So no, we don’t need men explaining men to us here.

    I mean, aside from the fact that it’s so boring when they do.

  41. Spiders

    “I have to say, bringing up the fact that I follow a radical feminist blog got me a lot of strange looks in said meeting.”
    Did it get you any cookies?

  42. rootlesscosmo

    Twisty, thank you. Orange, you too.

    like all oppressed classes, women, as a matter of survival, are intimate to the point of exhaustion with the drives, appetites, illnesses, angsts, yearnings, hopes, dreams, great works, and bodily functions of the oppressor.

    My friend Naomi Weisstein, some of whose work can be found at
    http://www.cwluherstory.com/
    was flying to Washington DC years ago to ask for a large grant (she’s an experimental scientist) from a very powerful guy. Her seat mate was a Black man with whom she fell into conversation; she told him why she was going to DC. “Are you nervous?” he asked. “Yes, I am,” she said. “Well,” he said, “remember this: you know more about the white man than he’ll ever know about you.”

    My understanding of radical feminism proceeds from the premise that the first thing to look at in human relations is power–who’s got it, who doesn’t, how it’s used. The details are complicated, lard knows, but the basic idea is wonderfully simple.

  43. thebewilderness

    Veganrampage,
    If I recall correctly that is the updated clarified policy.

  44. Serene Wright

    I’m sorry, but I see women creating many of their own problems by embracing a rather effete persona. It is counter intuitive for most women to behave in an openly dominant and self possessed manner, hence their diminishment in the hands of the oppressor, who are members of both genders.(My StepMother is the most oppresive piece of work I’ve ever met. If our culture embraced clitorectomies, she’d have forced my father to have it done to me at virtual gun point.) Do most women risk redefining themselves as Mistresses (As in self determined, not as in glorified half-wives.) of their own destiny? No, because that might invite marginalization from their family and friends. Merely wishing for respect from the oppressor is simply not enough. Projecting ferocious self respect is 1/2 the battle. And, insisting that this is impossible because the oppression is so insidious that it can not be combated, is to be eternally resigned to oppression. I, personally, will never give up the fight and few people make the mistake of patronizing me more than once, if ever.

  45. ZoBabe

    I’ve heard people complain that it was tiresome (well, me actually). Who said it was impossible?

  46. Nicolien

    Read and took to heart the comment policy a long, looong time ago.

    Been lurking and shutting up ever since.
    Lurking and learning I am.

  47. Daisy P

    “The principle of “When a Man says no, that’s final, when a Woman says No, it’s the start of a negotiation”.

    Would you mind if I added this to the male privilege list?”

    Dear (newly-outed dood) Physio Prof

    You may, but please tell me where the official list is? Is this list inscribed on a big slab of marble and secreted away somewhere dark and cloistered (picture a Da Vinvi Code- type setting) underground beneath some place of Dood Worship, perhaps the Great Vatican of the Church of Holy Dood Misogyny (a lapdancing club)? Guarded by man-mountains in long hooded cloaks, who have signed an oath of secrecy in blood? Risk of death if they tell?

    If so, please feel free to have this inscribed, but I think it’s already there, as I said, it is in “Misogyny for Dummies”, so someone must’ve leaked it.

    It is related to Rule number 53, The Spoiled Entitled Brat Dood strategy/rule: If a woman resists your requests/demands, wear her down. This can be done by spitting the dummy, giving her the silent treatment for days on end, pleading like a small child, or just making it clear that her life will be hell until she gives in, or combination of all of the above.

    To Vegan (ellipsis) depression, although a common side-effect of regular intake of misogyny, only strengthens your feminist credentials, but sometimes does delude women that have it, into thinking they are MRA’s, however, this is nothing to worry about. Just keep having your daily dose of anti-MRA/misogyny meds (this blog) and you’ll be fine.

    Depression affects my eyes and fingers. I have blind-spots when it comes to typos, (I spell my deliberate ones correctly though) and my finger has spasms over the “….” key.

    And yes, I too have read the T&C’s the FAQ’s for the MRA’s on this blog, for a laugh too, imagining the looks on the Doods’ faces as they turn all shades of red, then purple, then well, explode – I can dream.

    I am checking for typos now. This is going to be a challenge. It’s this grey text in the comment box which gives me those typo blind-spots, that, and sheer fury sometimes. My excuse.

    My finger is shaking from ellipi withdrawal syndrome!

  48. PhysioProf

    “The principle of “When a Man says no, that’s final, when a Woman says No, it’s the start of a negotiation”.

    Would you mind if I added this to the male privilege list?”

    Dear (newly-outed dood) Physio Prof

    You may, but please tell me where the official list is?

    I’m not completely certain if you are implying that I wrote the italicized text, but you seem to be addressing me in answer to what you perceive to be a question from me. Just to be clear, I did not write the italicized text; it was written by a different commenter.

  49. speedbudget

    Daisy P:

    That was not our dear PhysioProf who would deign to say that.

    It was teh Jonathan.

    PhysioProf has mad fem creds, having had to be “outed” as being a man. We all knew Jonathan was a man, regardless of his name.

    PhyioProf is one of the most elightened men I have ever come across. Ditto for our other secret men.

    Also, color me surprised that rootlesscosmo is a man.

  50. norbizness

    That’s right, Physio is what we called one of our advanced T-1000 infiltration models. He’s also made out of some sort of liquid metal jello that enables him to look like a parquet floor if necessary, although we’re still asking our scientists how that would actually come in handy.

  51. parallel

    PhysioProf … having had to be “outed” as being a man.

    only having to be outed to some here. Those who read scienceblogs for instance, would have recognised a man being treated like a man in a largely male environment.

  52. Valerie M

    I’m glad to hear that Physio Prof has better feminist creds than his blog would suggest, considering he links to porntastic funfeminist Renegade Evolution, who hates it so much when feminists question her patriarchal capitulation that she suggests they be ‘fucked with tire irons’. Charming. And totally not advancing rape culture, or anything.

  53. Princess Rot

    *delurks*

    Young radfem here. Long time reader, infrequent commenter. I usually stay for the theory, learn from the comments, and refrain from posting unless there’s something to share.

    I just want to know, did anybody else cop this?

    I knew PhysioProf was a man, but not from here. I remember a while back there was some… ah… confusion between some feminist sites and some fundie blog in which PP left commentary screeds full of the ol’ effin’ and blindin’, as can be expected when things get heated on the Internet. What the original argument was about, I can’t remember, but the upshot of this was that the aforementioned fundie blog wrote a long and maudlin post about how PP, feminazi is he, would never find a husband with “that potty mouth”.

    PP counteracts with the information that, a) she is a he, and b) he is already partnered. Fundie blog owner does the on-line equivalent of shuffling his feet awkwardly and leaving the room.

    I had never seen such an awkward thing since some forced-birth godbag took it upon himself to ream a woman over her “abortion party” article, not realising that said woman was fictional and a product of the Onion.

    Yeah. That’s how I know. Keep up the blaming.

    *relurks*

  54. Daisy P

    I do sort of apologize Prof Physio. I saw a bloke’s name, (newly-outed and all fresh in my mind) and in my brain, it was translated into the generic image of “Dood”. So I just addressed the one fresh in my mind. I will get my shovel and keep digging this hole.

    No wonder I am also known as “Dazey”. There, read it well, cuz I don’t grovel hardly evvva!!

    And PP – You must be prepared for some ribbing at this new information about you. Let’s call it an initiation rite. Even if it is only done by moi.

    So PP, after my witty reply to you, I was ‘sposed to be talking to Jonno eh? Fux sake. Next time I will just address it to “Dood”.

    To (squints to make sure I have addressee correct) Norbizness:

    “That’s right, Physio is what we called one of our advanced T-1000 infiltration models. He’s also made out of some sort of liquid metal jello that enables him to look like a parquet floor if necessary, although we’re still asking our scientists how that would actually come in handy.”

    It would be handy, becuase we could walk all over it/him heheh.

    The liquid metal jello image made me think of Terminator – Yikes!

    Sorry PP – nowt personal!

    ps – don’t want to start a war, but really PP, link to RE??? Shame!

  55. Twisty

    “I’m glad to hear that Physio Prof has better feminist creds than his blog would suggest [...]”

    I know little about, and make no apologies for, PhysioProf’s non-IBTP internet personae, nor do I imply that he should be nominated for Woman of the Year. I merely state that he knows how to put a sock in it, as is evidenced by the general incredulity over my recent revelation.

    Although holding him responsible for the content of blogs he doesn’t even write is a pretty terrific idea. Michelle Malkin hates Muslims; fuck you, PhysioProf!

  56. Jezebella

    @SereneWright:

    This: “I’m sorry, but I see women creating many of their own problems by embracing a rather effete persona.”

    This is victim-blaming. Knock it off. And don’t pretend to be “sorry” just before you blame women for their oppression.

  57. Valerie M

    I’m sorry Twisty, if I made it sound like you should be monitoring commenters’ internet habits. I didn’t mean that. Nor do I feel that PP is responsible for the content of anyone’s blog but his own. I only meant that I was surprised to see that he links to RE.

  58. Agasaya

    Excuse me for being simplistic here, but has anyone sent this ad to the FBI under the heading of international trafficking in child pornography? For reasons which are obviously public relations oriented, the law tends to crash down hard when girls termed ‘jail bait’ are flaunted as receptacles just before they become legal objects of hatred and fear.

    Report the vendors and let the dudes start tracking down the people who both sold and bought this ‘game’, assuming that some of the receptacles being portrayed were in the possession of virtual minors.

  59. Twisty

    Valerie M: “I’m sorry Twisty, if I made it sound like you should be monitoring commenters’ internet habits.”

    No need to apologize, old thing. Observation is the better part of blaming.

    It’s a tough line, that line between the hard line and the soft line.

  60. Twisty

    Agasaya: “Report the vendors and let the dudes start tracking down the people who both sold and bought this ‘game’, assuming that some of the receptacles being portrayed were in the possession of virtual minors.”

    We’re clearly getting into William Gibson territory here.

  61. TP

    I’m staying out of this!

  62. Starlight

    Thanks for the excellent summary. I think it never hurts to clearly state what radical feminism is, and how this works. I believe all women can benefit from these explanations, since radical feminism is so rare out in the world.

    Any truly powerful movement focuses on basic principles and sticks to them for the benefit of all women. Think of catholics going to church EVERY week and reciting the same prayers and responses OVER and OVER and OVER again — maybe because it’s a male institution this has to be done because men are so damn dumb that repitition is the only thing that apparently works for them. Think repetitive sports, baseball stats, football all those ball games they watch with eyes glazed over. Radical feminism is just too much for the male brain, but we women need to focus on these concepts and really get them. Better than judo in my opinion. It is radical for women to gather together and be central to every point and every situation.

    We’ve heard the male ignornace excuses endlessly, so I just assume this is the usual male delay tactics, because they really are such lazy jerks they don’t want to do the reading, the work and the reformation of their own lives. That’s pretty much a given.

    And then of course, men pretend an interest in this stuff for pornified conniving reasons. I just assume they are always trying to get women into bed, always trying to humiliate and underpay women, and you can get clear evidence of this on male (redundant I know) talk radio.

    This was great for even the seasoned feminists out there, lest we forget!

  63. mir

    @ Serene Wright

    “I’m sorry but” falls under the same rubric as “I don’t mean to be rude but” , “I don’t want to be cruel but” and “I don’t think you’re a collossal douchebag who requires my sage advice in order to better yourself but”. Etc.

    Nothing wrong with “effete personas”, in my mind. There’s decidedly something wrong with the P.

  64. yttik

    “Effete” is an interesting choice of words. It means no longer fertile. From the Latin, ef-fetus, not fruitful.

    It’s hard to even speak without particpating in the patriarchy.

  65. Daisy P

    @ mir
    To hell with that. Here is it in a nutshell:

    “Fuck you, but…. ”

    (Sorry Twisty, but this was a legit elliptical situ. I just could not work out if the closed-quote went before the offending ellip or after, so I put it after, probably wrong!)

  66. SKM

    If one finds oneself typing the words “I’m sorry but”, “I’m not trying to ______, but”, or similar constructions, then I have news for one: you are not sorry, and you are trying to _____. The best course of action is to hit the delete key until no characters remain in the comment box. Then, lurk more.

  67. Felicity

    @ Serene Wright

    You may deeply pity yourself and be sorry for your own sex, how patriarchy is impossible to even look in the face with our ‘nature’, I’m 19, womens’ officer at my uni and actually doing something about it working damn hard!

    Warn of ‘effette’ attitudes as you like, what does that even mean?? Fertility only lasts as long as acne. You can’t eternalise youth, but a group of women can work together to destroy the patriarchy which reduces womens’ value to this? Instead of sobbing about our *nature* as determined by mentioned patriarchy?

    @Twisty

    New to the blog as of yesterday, both impressed and inspired!!
    I’ll mention it to my womens’ group! Spaces like this are needed. Not hedging every word said on men in general who have oppressed us for 1000sa years as though we are speaking about faithful, ever- loving companions. Why IS breath wasted on pedantic assholes in most otherwise decent feminist forums??!

    I always think of male feminists being puppy- eyed and as nice as possible to appease us in what should be our one rightful space to rage out on the patriarchy. Kind of like the father who beats his kids and then acts the innocent loving guy who just wants a hug when they threaten to report him. Um, or something.

    Why shouldn’t this be about women? I don’t actually understand why men have to get involved in radical feminism, and horribly can only tolerate when I can’t detect any man behind the avatar. Which some men do know how to keep quiet and resist those urges to spoil the dynamic, because ‘hey, look, it’s a man!’; some men seem to sense from somewhere we don’t need them in everything done, said and considered. Alas they are the human ones and approach us at this atual human level!!

  68. Starlight

    Felicity, you’re right on target! Thanks for your insights!!!

  69. RebelRebel

    This blog is not concerned with the male experience. It couldn’t be simpler. And yet it’s such an affront to dudes who are used to having every aspect of their experience appreciated and validated that they really don’t know how to respond. They fumble around with anger or chagrin, or approval-seeking, when the only proper response is (as many have astutely pointed out) to put a sock in it. Speak when you can embiggen the discourse. Words to live by.

  70. wiggles

    I’m sorry, but I see women creating many of their own problems by embracing a rather effete persona. It is counter intuitive for most women to behave in an openly dominant and self possessed manner, hence their diminishment in the hands of the oppressor

    I thought effete was short for effeminate. And I’m confused as to whether you’re saying women create their own oppression by acting too effeminate or if they create their own oppression by being too dominant and self-possessed, which are male-coded traits. Either way, women are always doing something wrong. What else is new.

  71. Level Best

    Many thanks to Twisty for drawing the line. Basically the XY creatures have the rest of the world beyond this blog and a few dozen others; they can at least keep sock in stoma here, for cat’s sake. I have tried to find as many women-focused blogs as possible, but if you ever want to hear the cyber crickets chirp, just Google “radfem blogs” or even “feminist blogs.” The same very few pop up, and when you go to some of the most active sites you find that rad-femmery is a mere sideline there and that the penis-whisperers abound. Let us have IBTP unalloyed, folks! There are few enough places like it to go to already.

  72. Starlight

    I am so impressed with this topic! RebelRebel your words are so simple, and yet so amazing. Although I pride myself on the passion of my radical feminist self, this latest blog article and all the responses open up such a sense of meaning and power.

    I can’t quite describe this feeling, but it’s what other feminists described as sacred women’s space or the feeling that for a moment in time “patriarchy doesn’t exist here.” That brief flash of insight that women are subjected to the oppressive male mind EVERYWHERE, and that males interrupt, think they know it all or expect to have women cater to them till the end of time.

    Men are dumb feminists… they may say they are feminists but it’s only a grudging grumbling sort of feminism… but they want the show about them 24/7.

    This shocking idea that women have a completely different agenda, and that women have a right to formulate a sense of self free from the colonizers is so radical to men, because I don’t know if men ever HAVE to listen to women, or are ever kicked out just for saying one wrong thing… Twisty’s tough policy.

    Men hate being colonized and raped. Male Indians hated British males who owned their land…. straight men who are sent to prison fear being raped by other men. They could care less that pornography is a rape source book out in the world, or that women are colonized by male gaze, sexism, jeering, and attention grabbing limelight hogging D list celebs!

    What would men do if they had to know radical feminism inside and out as a condition of survival? What would happen if their promotions, education, housing and food were utterly dependent on a radical feminist society? What if they got one thing wrong, and had an implant in their penis that would cause it to blow up for getting it wrong? Hmmm, implants anyone? Or what if like dog owners, men could be neutered to reduce their violent rape tendencies! Wow, what if they had to face that for NOT knowing the every need, thought and wish of women? They wouldn’t survive a week I predict.

    Yet men expect this of women! They live in this woman controlling world, and when one little old blog says different, they just drop dead of shock. Men are not used to being treated exactly the way they treat women ALL the time, shocking guys isn’t it!

  73. Agasaya

    Update to my earlier post: I reported this ‘game’ to the FBI and they replied to my email that it was, indeed, of interest and directed me to the appropriate division. It was reported under the criminal code pertinent to child pornography. Since it is a product of Japan, customs can get involved and we know they have more clout than most US agencies these days. They’ll likely force Japan to alter the game and limit it to the rape and dismemberment of adult women. Well, won’t that be an improvement!

    Sci-Fi world indeed. But then, I always thought the world we inhabit was truly a product of the male imagination. It certainly bears no resemblance to Darwinian themes of natural selection. Wouldn’t a peaceful world offer far more opportunities for males to mate? Perhaps the drive for power exceeds the need for sex because that game wasn’t about sex.

  74. Hedgepig

    LOL norbizness is funny.

  75. Ron Sullivan

    Agasaya’s last sentence

    Perhaps the drive for power exceeds the need for sex because that game wasn’t about sex.

    was on-target, but I think I’ll skip even reading about that game for a few hours. I just had lunch.

    I suppose Chris got to Toad (which I admit I’ve been neglecting) before I did and closed that tag for me. (Thanks, bud.)(And thanks for the heads-up, Twisty.)

    I do have to out myself on a regular basis, most recently in a Flickr game, Tenuous Links, when I posted my First Communion Olan Mills portrait.

    I’ve been spending a lot of time over on Flickr because words are getting on my nerves lately. Time for a new underpaid career. When I was a kid, someone else’s daddy made a living putting the little M on each M&M. The job’s probably not as I pictured it——high stool, green eyeshade, spotlight, teeny little brush——but if goddamn Hershey hasn’t bought them out yet maybe there’s a place for me.

  76. Daisy P

    @Rebel and anyone else who’s listening

    “They fumble around with anger or chagrin, or approval-seeking, when the only proper response is (as many have astutely pointed out) to put a sock in it”

    They need to get a very teensy taste of their own medicine. You know, what it’s like when we are confronted with porn of various sorts, every day of our lives. By porn, I mean everything it influences too, which is just about everything now.

  77. Claire (CJ)

    Well, this was fucking awesome. As usual.

    I no longer give much of a shit who I castrate when I open my mouth. In fact, that’s largely the point these days.

    Bunch of fucking spoiled, selfish, mean whiners. That’s just about every guy I’ve ever known. Fuck them all, and the wave of oppressive entitlement they rode in on.

    By the way, I’ve been hip to the maleness of PhysioProf for some time. What do I win?

    CJ.

  78. rootlesscosmo

    @hedgepig: yes. One of the defining moments in my life came when I phoned my woman partner (since 1970) in a panic about our finances. “Don’t worry your pretty little head,” she told me, and I realized I had been waiting all my life to hear those words. “Fine,” I said, “what do you want for supper?”

    @Claire(CJ):
    By the way, I’ve been hip to the maleness of PhysioProf for some time. What do I win?

    My gratitude for using “hip” in the sense of “wised up,” which is what it meant when it entered my vocabulary around 1955. Twisty uses “to hip (someone)” in the same way and it does my heart good.

  79. Adam Myerson

    I suppose it’s ironic for this to be the post I comment on, but this post is exactly why I rarely comment here. I have only occasionally found a post that required my input, or felt that I could add something to the follow up conversation in a way that wouldn’t hijack it in many of the ways described

    I read this blog every day – or at least, every day there’s an entry. And when I’ve felt the need to comment or think out loud about how an entry or the follow up discussion affects me, I simply take it back to my own blog to discuss. There are plenty of places for me to work my shit out; I’ve never thought the comments section here was my place to do it, despite my meeting the general requirements for commenting in the first place.

  80. MelMir

    Lurking and learning for the most part in accordance to the guidlines. But I admit to posting a few times on some of the more lighthearted posts because it makes me feel good to have some kind of connection to Twisty and the awesome blametariat.

  81. felicity

    @ Adam: Umm… there there?

    Thanks Starlight, yours was a goood post as well! I always see male feminists as like big elephants in the room monitoring us. If they wanted to benefit the movement, they would let us find our own identities and be happy with whatever we say without being scared as hell we’re going too far all the time! It should be about stepping down and aside.

    I see what Twisty means, count the number of ‘I’s in Adam’s post. It’s all a big opportunity for men to suddenly explain their situations with some sad majestic air. Clearly Adam and other men expect a pity party and believe we can’t possibly be so happily free of patriarchal norms for a bit. We’re all so thrilled they condescend to bless us with their wisdom – Twisty is spot on in that we’re all just a male- deprived audience waiting for a man to them. Enfuriating really!! Apparently not the case though, bless you guys!

    I don’t know whether i’m more on the amused or scared side imagining all the dudes that are actually pissing their pants trying to desperately get a say in here.

  82. Spiders

    “Ironic” is not quite the right word, Adam.

  83. phaedras

    I have spent the last two days following the comments on this post whilst going through some significant conversations with doods in my life. I heartily concur with Felicity. Spaces like this allow my brain to not only relax, but be able to think of responses that effectively disable the patriarchal bullshit I normally just get depressed by. The space here lets me think in ways that you can’t when you are always reinforcing the ramparts.

    It’s not enough to recognize the patriarchy, you have to be able to assault it, and I can only do that if I have spaces to see the world where it doesn’t exist. So thank you. This blog makes being a compassionate radical feasible.

  84. Rob in Madison

    “Dude” here. Oy. Wish it were otherwise. I was a nurse for umpteen years, and on occasion found my dudeliness used politically (in the narrow interpersnal workplace sense) by co-workers.

    Sometimes. Not often, really. Most interesting was that this dude-penalism (penality? penalization?) did not rise above the shenanigans applied to other (female) co-workers. Where am I going with this … eh, I’m not sure. …

    I walked home from the grocery store this evening, and from the top of the hill, overheard snippets of converation and laughter from three women walking along … something about “what you said” and “we should …”

    My best, most immediate, and (most certainly most non-combative) coworkers during those days at the bedside and med-cart were women (although some of the gay male co-workers were the funniest). The most hardcore social ju-jitsu I ever witnessed (in which I participated) involved not telling a couple of jerks that the following Thursday would be a pot-luck.

    Would I were constructed, and privileged, other than I am. From my tangential exposure to That Other World, I am certain, even with all the social (sometimes lethal) hits involved, I’d rather be Over There.

    I think I’m going to get in trouble for this post.

    Forgive my likely dunderheadedness.

    [I'm letting this this "me-and-my-dudeliness" comment stand for your amusement (like I did with the one by Gare, below), although in future such remarks will get the big delete-o. I'd give a point-by-point explication of the myriad ways in which this comment has no business on this blog, but I just performed a similar autopsy on Gare's comment, and I'm done for the day. -- Twisty]

  85. Chai Latte

    WHOOOYEAH. Go Twisty, go!

    It’s a pet peeve of mine when menz try to tell me what is sexist and what isn’t. Because, y’know, they’re the EXPERTS. And they get all upset with me when I tell them they don’t know jack, and that I don’t really give a rat’s ass about teh menz.

    Hey, just because I’m female doesn’t mean I’m obligated to play ‘mommy’ to the whole human race. Fuck that noise.

    And YAY COOL WHIP! MMMMM! *nomnomnom*

  86. janna

    Jeez. If I only had a cookie for every time a dude who normally doesn’t reply to radfem blogs comes on during posts telling them to shut up just to say “I know to shut up. See how good I shut up?”

    I’d have a lot of cookies.

  87. Foilwoman

    Another not-quite-radical feminist, although I am a feminist with no “but”, who rarely comments because I rarely have much to add. But yeah, I know more about doods than they ever will about me, and I write a blog about my life. Go figure. I’ll keep reading every day, and hope that someday there will be something where I can actually add something of meaning to the discussion. That day isn’t today, but I just had to say “Go Twisty!” I’m straight, but I have a big honking crush on you and many of your commenters.

  88. Veganrampage

    I have observed quite a few differing types of apologies in this thread. Not a single one is from a dewd.

  89. KMTBERRY

    I don’t actually understand why men have to get involved in radical feminism

    In all seriousness, and to the best of my understanding, the reason to re-educate men into an understanding of and adherence to Radical Feminism is because, sadly, there is a certain percentage of women who have embraced the Partiarchy and are among it’s staunchest adherents. Like the Mother of the upthread blamer.

    In order to take over the world, it is a better strategy to sweep up whatever justice-seeking men lie in our path, than to try to pry Love of the Patriarchy from the cold, spiritually-dead fingers of the Quislings.

  90. ZoBabe

    To quote a bugs bunny cartoon: “Shut up shuttin’ up.”

  91. Daisy P

    Well, being a very practical and pretty straightforward kinda person, I’d like to say that until such time as I can just go out, go buy food and other luxuries, go for a wander around shopping centre’s where you have evidence of mass consumerism on show, forced into your faces, and until such time as this is toned down to being a lot of stuff that DOESN’T remind me just what Dood-ism is trying to force women to be, ie, 24/7 lapdancers, I will contined to not listen to any doods.

    Have you seen the shoes now? They are more extreme than shoes that you would see in lapdancing clubs. These are shoes that are supposed to be “dress” shoes and you cannot walk in them, you have to hold on to something to even stand up…….oh I get it, like a pole.

    Summer clothes on sale in winter, one of the worst winters in UK for years, and we’re still supposed to flash flesh and walk around in skyscraper platform heels in the ice for gawd’s sake?

    Until such time as these thing disappear, along with all the other evidence (mag covers, lad mentality, etc) of doodly entitlement to pushing their ideas of what females should be for them visually, I will start taking what doods say more seriously.

  92. gare

    What I’m wondering is, why didn’t ‘the twisted one’ just IMPLEMENT this comment policy change quietly – seems to me a radical feminist site would shy AWAY from all this gender talk, but I wield my white male prilege clumsily at best, so I could be wrongo dongo. I guess I keep hoping maybe radical feminism could maybe show how it will be someday when gender doesn’t matter. Making a big splashy post about a less inclusive editorial policy smacks of ‘girl vs boy, out of my treehouse’ ism. Which can be abbreviated, gvboomtism. But whats the vision, I’ll probably be vectored to a 101 someplace. Where’s the vision of a world where we don’t know who birthed us, because we had 25 intimate caregivers, 49 teachers.. where we feel natural longings for either ‘likes’ or ‘unlikes’ (the opposite sex duh). Girl vs Boy. But our love and attraction is so strong, who needs pictures, I got my OWN pictures right here! I thought we were trying to get AWAY from that. How does this foster that, maybe it does and I just don’t see it, I miss alot. I know ‘the twisted one’ has said its her mission just to sweep the websites and feed it to us, which is a service I guess. But if I might humbly request more ‘future world’ glimpses from everyone, it might make it easier inclusively for us all to see where we are going. Because I think we surely ARE going there eventually. thanks Gare

    [This is an excellent example of a sub-species of the sort of dude-comment that I enjoy deleting. I let it stand here for your amusement. Allow me to explicate.

    This comment falls into the "I'm just a dumb guy, but you have to listen to me anyway" category. I blame beer commercials and Comedy Central for the "dumb guy" persona's skyrocketing popularity.

    Anyway: white male admits to "clumsy" apprehension of feminism, then tells Internet Feminist how Internet Feminism ought to be, i.e., inclusive of him. He complains, despite the description of the blog and its target audience right there in the sidebar, that I Blame the Patriarchy doesn't meet his needs. He has misconstrued the gist of the post (i.e. "don't post here if you're not an advanced patriarchy-blamer") to mean "Dumb guys' 2 cents are always welcome; tell me how I may improve my blog to your liking!" His punctuation is sloppy, he misspells "privilege," his tone is passive-aggressive, and his writing is incoherent. He has either not read the FAQ or chosen to believe that it does not apply to him. He also alludes to me, for reasons I cannot fathom, as "'the twisted one'" (granted, it isn't in the FAQ, but cheeses, I should have thought it was obvious that it is not, under any circumstances, cool to refer to me as "'the twisted one'."). 'Gare' may be a reasonably affable chappie in real life, but this blog is not the place for his remarks. -- Twisty]

  93. Fhiona

    I didn’t know I was a radical feminist until I started reading this blog a few years ago. I rarely comment, because I don’t think I’ve got much to add, and I just like reading what everyone has to say. I check for new posts every day, and yes, it pisses me off, as a Learning Lurker, to have blokes turn up and derail things. It’s not too much to ask that one tiny corner of the internet is dood free, surely?

  94. Sascha

    @Yttik

    Webster lists effete as having a second definition: marked by weakness or decadence

    Princeton’s site defines it as: marked by excessive self-indulgence and moral decay

    Ain’t so sure ‘no longer fertile’ refers only to women. I mean, aren’t men always proving they can still get it up? In fact, the common usage of the word brings the word ‘impotent’ to my mind more than any other synonym.

    As for male self-proclaimed feminists, most of them expect just as many compliments for it as they do for washing the dishes once a year.

  95. speedbudget

    Serene:

    Let’s not blame the victims for how they choose to survive the patriarchy. Especially here. Your comment has been bothering me since yesterday.

    Place the blame squarely where it belongs: Patriarchy.

    Thank you. That is all.

  96. Daisy P

    PS – the word “skyscraper” (in my comment above regarding shoes) contains the word “rape”.

    http://news.aol.co.uk/tv-executive-accused-of-beheading-wife/article/20090217065609990001

    Also, when I stop seeing headlines such as the above, I will start giving blokes a listen now and again, maybe. This article shows just how hypocritical society is. This guy was trying to build bridges between cultures, so which cultures would those be? Western and Muslim “male” cultures. All the time he was beating up his wife, magnanimity towards fellow HUMANS did not count women I guess. And he did this because she dared to try to escape from him. If he hated her so much, why did he not just divorce her? And, if a woman had done this to a man, the headline and story would be a fucking helluva lot more prominent and loud than this one was.

    Fucking men. This shit just makes my blood boil.

  97. Amananta

    Robert Anton Wilson explained the hierarchy of information very clearly in one of his wacky books. Because in a hierarchy those at top have power over those on the bottom, those at the bottom will only tell those at the top what they believe will not cause them harm. When those at the top show disinterest in or hostility toward hearing certain information, those at the bottom usually don’t feel like risking the more brutal side effects of oppression to set them straight. Meanwhile, the behavior and motives of those at the top are practically transparent to those at the bottom. Therefore women know more about men than men know about women, people of color know more about whites than the reverse, the poor know more about the rich then the opposite, and so on.

    The great irony in all of this is that RAW clearly thought of himself as some noble warrior coming up from the bottom instead of as the well educated white American man he was, because, for a few years in his pot smoking youth, he was poor. Consequently he spent the rest of his career telling us all feminists were hateful harpies because they weren’t totally cool with his working side by side with Hefner. His writing makes it painfully obvious he couldn’t see anything about the lives of women, and non-white people are painfully tokenized. But he was just this really open-minded guy, you know? Why can’t feminists and POCs stop being all hateful in their liberation movements? If they quit acting so mean, he would have, you know, TOTALLY been down with it.

  98. Amananta

    *reads through Serene’s comment*

    I am SO GLAD someone decided to set me straight by telling me my oppression is at least half my fault because I don’t stand up for myself enough. I know, it’s just my own issue for having cravenly given in to being beaten nearly unconscious for talking back or showing unladylike anger in my youth. I should have rebelled more, been a proud warrior for women’s rights at age ten or at least have had the good sense not to internalize patriarchal values! In spite of having rebelled to the point of being thrown out to live on the streets by more than one man, clearly I have lived a life too in line with patriarchy’s expectations, and now, as I begin to lose the energy and good health of my youth and wearily keep my mouth shut most of the time for the ignominious and unworthy cause of remaining housed and fed (as the patriarchy considers me unemployable and not worth educating for any worthwhile trade), it’s at least half my fault. Why, I should have yelled back until I was beaten to death, not just unconscious – then I would be a good martyr for the feminist cause.

  99. yttik

    Some people have said they aren’t quite a rad fem yet. I just want to say that sometimes being able to get out of bed is a radical act. In some work places even today, wearing a pantsuit is an act of rebellion. Simply observing the patriarchy with a jaded eye requires a great deal of effort. My point being that women should not sell themselves short. We’re all coping with the patriarchy as best we can to survive. Some of us may have to be more subversive about it, but that doesn’t dismiss what’s going on under the surface.

  100. Claire (CJ)

    Amananta -

    *Applause*

    Sing it loud and proud.

    CJ.

  101. not a dudetiful wife

    I am so glad to have a place to checkin where you have undiluted and undeluded feminism.

    Especially with a particular corporate job situation I’m going through. There are about 85% men at the company, at the core corporate head quarters. My management switched at the beginning of the year and these new dudes think I’m taking up a perfectly good job without being sufficiently bowing and scraping. Why, I act like I’m a peer, entitled to full citizenship. Radical. And probably Uppity.

    The other two women in the office have taken to bringing baked goods in to help their probationary status as full humans ever since forthcoming layoffs were announced. None of the men bring in homemade goods to show what teamplayers they are.

    This is the thing: fundamentally, most men and some women think that females are born on probation, especially once past puberty. To them, women are always on the bubble. They have to bake, fuss, flirt, and groom themselves within an inch of their lives because, really, they are yucky naturally. Their existence and right to sit as a peer with men is always on the bubble. The response from the men that basically says, “well I think women are just like regular people” isn’t all the way to clarity yet.

    I’m glad that Twisty spoke up and continues to. I love that recent internet hit map that shows the spread of the Twisty.

    At these times a few thoughts drift through my mind – why is there such a word as radical feminist? Do nonradical feminists believe that women are at least 35% human? Are the 45% less demanding?

  102. Hollywood Marie

    Foilwoman isn’t a “feminist, but;” however, she is “straight, but.” Love it.

  103. K

    Not a dudetiful wife, what does “on the bubble” mean? TIA.

  104. a Nigel named Dave

    Amananta, that comment on RAW was some nice blaming. I’m struggling to recall a female character from his work that isn’t essentially there for sex. And the sex crossed the line into distinctly creepy territory. For the most part, women were a sort of giant blind spot in his work, except as required for kinky sex duty.

    While I could not contain my enthusiasm for someone nailing RAWs smug 1960s hipster phallocentric blind spot, all I have to say concerning the comments policy is that the bit about beginning comments with something other than “I” is particularly worthy, and should be adopted universally.

  105. not a dudetiful wife

    On the bubble means, not quite in, not quite out, on the edge, and could pop at any time. Always on probation. Citizenship and acceptability could be revoked at any time. As in, “Okay, you’re almost in, but don’t take up too much space, do your chores, and we’ll keep an eye on you. We’ll see if you work out.”

    Of course with women in the dude nation, they never get a full citizenship card, but always that promise held out that one day, they could be and the probation would be lifted. If only they were just so. And not overly so. If they were ten pounds lighter, then their girl parts wouldn’t be so yucky. If they were hairless, they would not be yucky. If they were without demand and without the ability to show disrespect or dislike of a man, they would not be alien yucky or what the native dudes call ‘dyke.’ Of course they use that word wrong. Everything will be alright for women if they are just so and would behave. Really, the dudes regret revoking the probation, they are generous enough to give it to us. It’s like Eve’s second chance for screwing up the world. Ok, I’m making some sarcasm here.

    But a real human being and the worth of their existence (except for animal and human abusers perhaps) should never be on the bubble. Women should have full club membership acceptance into humanity without a clause that they should not be too yucky or decide things they want for themselves.

  106. enuffalready

    What about dudes who ejaculate onto comments threads off topic, just to get attention, over and over?

    http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2009/02/15/spinster-aunt-eradicates-male-viewpoint/#comment-142857

    http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2009/02/07/womens-sexuality-20/#comment-141634

  107. pisaquari

    “Spinster aunt eradicates male viewpoint”

    Well, finally.

  108. Twisty

    @ efnuffalready

    Nah, the jokey one-liners rarely, if ever, constitute derailments. Grackle-based humor will always have a home here.

  109. Zora

    Echoing mir et al.

    Everything I know about Radical Feminism I learned on the internet. (With the finest teacher thus far being Twisty and her Blametariat.)

  110. Veganrampage

    @GARE-ILLA

    The use of “unlike” are un-possible in the proper mannerisms when bespokening the eNGLISH Languish. Are evertimes your went bak to skool?

  111. Joanna

    I really needed to read this today, thanks.

  112. incognotter

    @yttik

    “Even within the world of feminism, a penis will still trump experience.”

    Too true. Depressing, isn’t it?

  113. Lu

    In addition to applauding this entire thread, I have to thank not a dudetiful wife for this recent observation: “This is the thing: fundamentally, most men and some women think that females are born on probation, especially once past puberty.” Well said! IBTP that after 40+ years on this earth I still feel, however subtly, like I’m on probation as a human–not in relation to men specifically (maybe; I’ll have to think some more about that). I think this is a vulnerability that a lot of women take in unconsciously from the very beginning and find very hard to eradicate, not receiving much encouragement to do so from the world at large.

  114. Casey

    The minute some dude tells me something I don’t already know about dudeliness, I’ll eat a bonobo.

    The best thing I’ve read so far this year. I wish I could take IBTP in a time machine with me back to college for a do-over without the “sensitive” creeps and frat boys. But I’ll settle for hitting forty with the Blametariat to guide me.

    Hugz.

  115. LCforevah

    Daisy P

    He beheaded her because SHE was the one who filed for divorce and his ego couldn’t take it.

    And you’re right about his building bridges only between the dudely Muslims and the dudely Westerners. Women do not count.

  116. ivyleaves

    Serene Wright
    February 16, 2009 at 1:58 am
    I’m sorry, but I see women creating many of their own problems by embracing a rather effete persona. It is counter intuitive for most women to behave in an openly dominant and self possessed manner, hence their diminishment in the hands of the oppressor, who are members of both genders.(My StepMother is the most oppresive piece of work I’ve ever met. If our culture embraced clitorectomies, she’d have forced my father to have it done to me at virtual gun point.) Do most women risk redefining themselves as Mistresses (As in self determined, not as in glorified half-wives.) of their own destiny? No, because that might invite marginalization from their family and friends. Merely wishing for respect from the oppressor is simply not enough. Projecting ferocious self respect is 1/2 the battle. And, insisting that this is impossible because the oppression is so insidious that it can not be combated, is to be eternally resigned to oppression. I, personally, will never give up the fight and few people make the mistake of patronizing me more than once, if ever.

    I think the most problematic language here is that women should start behaving in an openly “dominant and self-possessed manner” or else they will be diminished by the oppressor. Thereby both valuing the domination of the patriarchy, and emulating opressors whilst ignoring the actual likely result of such behavior for persons not deemed already entitled to behave in such a manner. I suspect the voice of an unapologetically dominant person who enjoys diminishing others. Maledar is now triggering a warning.

  117. Josquin

    I knew Ron Sullivan was a woman, but thought PhysioProf was a woman also. I’m interested in Twisty’s version of the “Turing Test.” I often play a little game with myself when I read an article, find it well-written, and try to guess the gender of the writer without checking the by-line. If I can’t guess, my estimation of the writer rises. Same with a crappily written piece – if it’s crap, and I can tell immediately if it was written by a man or woman, the crappiness estimation increases. It’s sort of depressing how easy it is to guess gender, even if the article is about the mineral composition of desert terrain in eastern austral ecosystems, for instance.

  118. Starlight

    Josquin,

    I too play this game of guessing the gender of an author or journalist. It’s amazing how easy it is to figure this out. With TV shows it’s pretty easy too, and if I’m struggling and can’t figure it out, I wait to see the writers and low and behold… I find it was co-authored by a woman AND a man.

    The news is all about men maybe 95% of the time. I always wanted annual statistics about the total number of women and men who have appeared on news shows, the total shows about women or men, the total gender breakdown of movies or TV shows and we could have these chart and graphs as a welcome relief from stock market coverage now and then.

    I used to document at meetings the total number of minutes women and men got to speak. That’s right, I brought a little stop watch, and then I’d share the results each week with the other women. Soon the men got very nervous, and didn’t want me to bring the stop watch, because I had ‘em dead to rights — 70% or more of the time men dominated discussions. They would blab and blab and blab… so I suggested that they just shut up for an entire meeting and listen to the women talk, then I’d leave the stop watch home. They didn’t like that idea! Don’t you all just wish that for an entire year, all men would be made to SHUT UP! No male reporting on the TV, no men on radio, just male free zones everywhere. Penalty for speaking — we’d give the guys a choice– get their tongue cut out or they could opt for another amputation of our choice.

  119. Margaret

    re: Amananta’s comment
    February 17, 2009 at 8:26 am
    *reads through Serene’s comment*

    “I am SO GLAD someone decided to set me straight by telling me my oppression is at least half my fault because I don’t stand up for myself enough. I know, it’s just my own issue for having cravenly given in to being beaten nearly unconscious for talking back or showing unladylike anger…”.

    … deserves repeating 100%! Can I ever relate to that, as it’s a perfect answer for those who try to shame me for being so weak as to let men get away with stuff that hurt. I am lucky to get this far alive and it is never long before someone says something that thoughtless to me and I can only respond with a deer-in-the-headlights look. I kind of think it all happened because I stood up for myself and that some of it would have happened anyway just because I’m female. Thank you Amananta for one wonderful answer.

    Twisty’s place is a real soul-satisfying blog that I appreciate for being a place for women’s discourse.

    My Twisty adoration grows each year. She reminds me of my Grade 3 teacher, who was awesome, so I’m afraid to do much more than lurk and watch her peerless blaming.

  120. Amananta

    Nigel Dave (hah!),

    It’s so difficult, sometimes, to be confronted with someone like RAW, or Heinlein, or any one of these other popular counterculture male heroes who are clearly brilliant and creative and have all these wonderful ideas. It’s difficult because they are all, at the same time they are brilliant and creative, seemingly dull and ignorant when it comes to “the woman question”. “How,” one might ask oneself, “can he have been so smart about other things and miss the point entirely in this one area?” Their fans come up with excuses or even flat out deny their misogyny. “He was a product of his times!” they beg you to understand. “It was just how he was raised, it was his culture, he couldn’t help but be that way, and besides look, he gave more chances to women than the average man of his times, so he was practically feminist!”
    But when speaking of such men as science fiction and counter culture writers, who are devoted in their writing to breaking through the dominant paradigm and making people uncomfortable with accepting things the way they are and creating change, they still all display a nauseating amount of complacency about women’s rights. RAW in particular has no excuse, as he proudly states his wife was part of the women’s liberation movement while he worked for Playboy. It isn’t that these “brilliant” men were all just tragically unable to realize women are human. You can’t be that smart, that well able to perceive the inequalities in society and just somehow miss that women are oppressed too and this is just as wrong as any other group of people being oppressed. It’s that THEY DIDN’T CARE.

  121. muchell (mesaventure)

    Amananta, your RAW-blaming pinpoints just what bothers me about his otherwise radical ideas. I read “Ishtar Rising” a few years ago, and I think it illustrates everything you pointed out about his writing: women are still the sex-class.

    Incidentally, I’m in a Gothic course this semester, and I believe these critiques also apply well to Percy Shelley and his treatment of Mary. Another fun fact: Frankenstein has never been out of print since Jan. 1, 1818! Take that, Perce!

  122. mir

    re: Dudes in women spaces on the interwebs, and their “I know this is a space for and about the ladeez but I have a comment/question/insight about this space/personal dilemma with my girlfriend that I’d like your advice on”:

    Back before the discussion forums on Craigslist got all global and completely disgusting the ‘Womens Issues Forum’ was kind of a neato place to sit and chitchat the long nights away w/ women from all over the place. Inevitably a dude (or ten) would arrive with interjections like the above. Many posters would advise or otherwise engage said dudes, who would then comment more and more, obtuse, rambling and ever-more-hostile about the replies they received.

    I finally decided, after watching the forum go to absolute shite over a period of years, that the only reasonable reply was “Ask yer dad”.

    Seriously. Want to know how to “be a better man”? How to act right around women? How to get laid? How to improve your man-to-woman communication skills? Need help “understanding” women? ASK YOUR FUCKING DAD, GUY.

    Not that he’ll be any use, natch, but why on dog’s green Earth would you interact with anonymous women on the internet in an attempt to be a better/wiser/cooler/more enlightened dood? Your father shoulda taught you this stuff. If he didn’t, tough shit: maybe the two of you can embark on a mythic journey toward not being a complete and utter douchebag who loathes/desires women. Together.

  123. Jonathan

    @Daisy P

    “You may, but please tell me where the official [male privilege] list is?”

    Ack! My apologies, I was not referencing “the” male privilege list, only my own male privilege list. If there was an official list, it is more likely the one on Alas, a blog.

    I will now be adding two privileges to the list: the privilege of “no”, and the privilege that allows men to act as if their personal notions are newly-discovered universal truths (see Twisty’s descriptions of the Folds, above).

    And my apologies for such heavy use of the “Blame” button earlier. I’m putting the protective glass cover back over the button now.

  124. XtinaS

    Amananta:

    You can’t be that smart, that well able to perceive the inequalities in society and just somehow miss that women are oppressed too and this is just as wrong as any other group of people being oppressed. It’s that THEY DIDN’T CARE.

    Holy disco ball yes.  Bless you for putting that into words.

  125. PhysioProf

    Soon the men got very nervous, and didn’t want me to bring the stop watch, because I had ‘em dead to rights — 70% or more of the time men dominated discussions. They would blab and blab and blab… so I suggested that they just shut up for an entire meeting and listen to the women talk, then I’d leave the stop watch home. They didn’t like that idea! Don’t you all just wish that for an entire year, all men would be made to SHUT UP!

    This kind of shit goes on at every scientific conference I have ever attended. In fact, it is frequently even worse: At one conference all the big swinging-dick male machers pompously lobbed each other softballs after each other’s presentations–as they always do–but then ganged up and mercilessly hounded a prominent senior female scientist after her presentation, even so far as to carry on the hounding for over a half hour into the supposed “open-topic” discussion period.

  126. Starlight

    Amananta and all the others who quoted “It’s that they JUST DIDN”T CARE…” is exactly the truth. So it is a complete and utter waste of time for one half of the world’s population to attempt to communicate these truths about women’s freedom, women’s oppression etc. etc. Just watch Whoopi Goldberg nail Bill O’Reilly in that little Internet clip. Here is O’Reilly trying to educate Whoopi, a professional comedian and world famous actress about what “comedy” is. She was tough and amazing for nailing that sexist blog hard.

    And good point on the scientific conferences where men dominate everything, and then attack the “token” women — that’s why science (the collective male attempt to either eliminate women or demean them “scientifically” ) have the tokens in the first place.

    So the deal is, women are better off forming their own conferences and workshops, and that’s what I usually do with women in my field.
    We set up separate lunches, just so we can share information in a normal free flowing way free of penis contamination, arrogance and boredom. I believe the very definition of male is actually the word “Bore.”

  127. Daisy P

    @ Jonathon

    I have just been directed to your site and rule no. 66 (The “No” rule) on you Privelege List.

    I am eating humble pie here. I am new-ish to this blog as far as commenting, and I see what you meant. There really is a list!

    It’s great you’re one of the few femi-blokes in the whole world apparently.

    @ Twisty – I thought you had maybe swatted me away like a pesky buzzing fly with a fly swatter. The interweb can play mighty funny tricks on the brain (my brain), what’s left of it. But cheers to you!

    Note – The “P” in Daisy P stands for “Puke”, a name I came up with in a fit of anger while watching the Daisy Duke do her lovely car wash dance, and I used the name for awhile a couple of years ago, pissed so many blokes off with my verbal outrages, they were posing as me on blogs as anti-fems, one even set up a blog in my name, the swine! So, I hesitate in using the full name in case it attracts too many of the turds from the past.

    There you go. Some history.

  128. Rosa

    By the time a thinking woman grows herself up, she’s learned quite thoroughly that no matter how much you admire someone, there’s a good chance they don’t think of you as human.

    My list is too long. Dad, my beloved grandpa, all the science fiction writers I loved when I was pre-puberty. Pastors, teachers, would-be partners…

    Heinlein, Larry McMurtry, and Tom Robbins belong in a separate subsection of that restaurant, where every table has a pedestal entrapping a beloved, unfathomable female – it’s not that they don’t care, it’s that they think she’s elevated, not oppressed.

    I empathize with them – having been raised to think men and women were too different to communicate, it took years of primary relationships with women & only superficial ones with men before I realized the basic problem in the premise.

    (Hey! Taking out half the “I” statments takes out most of the softening sentense starters, too – “I think” “I feel”)

  129. Kuleana

    If they were hairless, they would not be yucky.

    Except on our heads! Somehow, we must have not a single hair anywhere on our bodies except on our head, where we must have long, thick, silky, straight locks. Of course, anybody with a brain would know this is a biological impossibility — I have so little body hair that I don’t need to shave my legs, which means that the hair on my head is also quite thin and not at all acceptable to Dude Nation. (And oh, do they love telling me about this shortcoming!)

    I once went an entire year without reading a single book or essay by a man. I still read newspaper articles when necessary, but tried to put up a sort of mental firewall when that happened. It was quite life-changing.

  130. Kuleana

    I have so little body hair that I don’t need to shave my legs,

    Bah. And by that I mean that it looks like I shave my legs even though I don’t. Nobody needs to shave their legs. In fact, nobody should. Sometimes I think only a lobotomy will get the patriarchy out of my head.

  131. Aunti Disestablishmentarian

    And of course Lobotomies (ye olde ice pick to the brain) were a great tool of the patriarchy to begin with. Funny they way that works, no?

  132. admirerofemily

    Kuleana, I share your abhorrence of most male writers and almost never ever bother with them these days.

    Usually doesn’t take too long into a book by a male author before we are getting a description of the woman’s shape…etc etc

    I too used to be into Heinlen, and all the other sci fi stuff. And even then, age 13,14, something like that, the role of women struck me as being decidedly restricted. blah – give me Marge Piercy anytime.

  133. Twisty

    “(Hey! Taking out half the “I” statments takes out most of the softening sentense starters, too – “I think” “I feel”)”

    It’s working! It’s working!

  134. phiogistic

    Last year I read exclusively women sci-fi writers. (I’ll plug the list again: http://phiogistic.blogspot.com/2007/06/women-in-sf.html)
    This year I have started reading some male SF writers again. And you know what? It’s painful. To read a book in which the author can envision interstellar and inter-cosmic travel, aliens, colonies on Mars, post-apocalyptic civilizations that live in giant clock towers, and still drop casual references to prostitution and pornography, is painful. Yes, I am looking at you Neal Stephenson. Yes, I am looking at you John Varley. To me, when you drop these comments, and they add nothing to the story at all, do you know what you are telling me? You are telling me that even with your brains as big as planets, you still can’t envision a world without the institutionalized rape of women. You have to assure your male readers, “In the future you will still be on top, big boys! Some women may be space-ship captains, but this heresy will always be made up for – there will always be a caste of women available for you to rape and assuage your tender egos! Things may change in the future, but not -that- much, never fear!”
    And this is what you are telling your female readers: “You may have somehow infiltrated this male world of words and rocket ships, but you will never escape the boot in the face. Never.”

  135. felicity

    “I once went an entire year without reading a single book or essay by a man. I still read newspaper articles when necessary, but tried to put up a sort of mental firewall when that happened. It was quite life-changing.”

    Charles Dickens, I used to love but don’t; most horror films! I wish I could escape into books as I used to when I was a kid. Now I have to pretend I’m not a female to read anything.

    Austen’s Persuasion is one of my favourites, it has some really good feminist messages at the end. Then I well up because I just imagine Jane the actual genius growing up in the times she describes, which she describes nicely of course, not so as to upset readers.

  136. Miss Andrist

    Dear Twisty,

    How I stumbled across this gem of a blog is a long, fascinating story which unfortunately is not wholly relevant to the purpose of this comment – which is to thank you for this post.

    Radical feminist? MILITANT. I’m not just a feminazi, I’m an evangelist – a vagina-warrior lioness on a holy mission, filled with verbal confetti and thrilled by any opportunity to dropkick asshats and their faulty paradigms concerning the origin of the species (species, a reference: h. Asshat.)

    Summary: this post is utterly splendid. Splendid, as in I’ve been READING IT OUT LOUD to my doodly friends. I’ve also been passing it out to other lionesses; it’s great for time management! No, it is not my job to educate males; rather, it is a hobby of mine as well as a bottomless well of entertainment. What can I say, I like watching a flummoxed asshat fumble, completely dumbfounded, when I inform him point-blank most likely for the first time in his life:

    “This is not about you.”

    Hits ‘em like a bare-knuckle fist.

  137. anna

    The podcast Girls On Girls on heretv.com picked up that New York Times article about separatism. I was *not* amused with their cursory analysis of radical feminism. Because, you know, wanting things to be equal is such a downer. You know who I blame.

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