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		<title>By: PatriarchySlayer</title>
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		<dc:creator>PatriarchySlayer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 22:48:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Donna, I agree with you on that post. But I did read something recently that gave me pause. I can&#039;t remember where exactly, but someone mentioned that one of the reasons that the patriarchy continues to exist is because conservative patriarchal families tend to have more children thus perpetuating the problem. Because they tend to have more issues with the use of birth control and abortions, they end up with more kiddies. So by not having children we may maintain our freedom a little better,but we are also not quite as effective in passing down our values to the next generation. Does the make sense? Is there a way we can still pass these ideas forth without popping out the babies?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Donna, I agree with you on that post. But I did read something recently that gave me pause. I can&#8217;t remember where exactly, but someone mentioned that one of the reasons that the patriarchy continues to exist is because conservative patriarchal families tend to have more children thus perpetuating the problem. Because they tend to have more issues with the use of birth control and abortions, they end up with more kiddies. So by not having children we may maintain our freedom a little better,but we are also not quite as effective in passing down our values to the next generation. Does the make sense? Is there a way we can still pass these ideas forth without popping out the babies?</p>
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		<title>By: Spirella Bones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spirella Bones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 01:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the shout, undercover punk! FYI, I posted up a sequel blog entry, and a lot of it is responding to exactly what you&#039;re talking about with the sexual liberation thing. Quote:

&quot;It seems that men can happily re-appropriate the word “slut” if they simply re-appropriate feminist outrage. Outrage about women’s unyielding subjection to shame is, of course, the logical segue into outrage about men’s ever-threatened right to be promiscuous.&quot;

The sarcasm may be lost on some dudes, though. Post is &lt;a href=&quot;http://scribalfusion.com/2009/03/the-boys-club/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the shout, undercover punk! FYI, I posted up a sequel blog entry, and a lot of it is responding to exactly what you&#8217;re talking about with the sexual liberation thing. Quote:</p>
<p>&#8220;It seems that men can happily re-appropriate the word “slut” if they simply re-appropriate feminist outrage. Outrage about women’s unyielding subjection to shame is, of course, the logical segue into outrage about men’s ever-threatened right to be promiscuous.&#8221;</p>
<p>The sarcasm may be lost on some dudes, though. Post is <a href="http://scribalfusion.com/2009/03/the-boys-club/" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: undercover punk</title>
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		<dc:creator>undercover punk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 17:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Felicity! Sexual &quot;liberation&quot; has *undeniably* benefited MEN, while women continue to face an ever-impossible double standard of female conduct and social responsibilities. For example, consider the modern idea of a &quot;SLUT&quot;. She behaves as society instructs her to, as man&#039;s object, and is rewarded with public shaming and insults to her character. Spirella Bones has a wonderful BLAMING post on this &lt;a href=&quot;http://scribalfusion.com/2009/03/what-is-a-slut/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;. Even the &quot;slut&#039;s&quot; female friends ostracize her. Nice!! 
The Man is not going to change this. It benefits him! As usual. WE, as women, must take the matter into our own capable hands and acknowledge the HARM &amp; DISTRACTION that seeking male attention brings to our relationships with other women. 

The reach of the patriarchy&#039;s toxicity is truly mind-boggling.

Please stop giving your energy to men.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Felicity! Sexual &#8220;liberation&#8221; has *undeniably* benefited MEN, while women continue to face an ever-impossible double standard of female conduct and social responsibilities. For example, consider the modern idea of a &#8220;SLUT&#8221;. She behaves as society instructs her to, as man&#8217;s object, and is rewarded with public shaming and insults to her character. Spirella Bones has a wonderful BLAMING post on this <a href="http://scribalfusion.com/2009/03/what-is-a-slut/" rel="nofollow">here</a>. Even the &#8220;slut&#8217;s&#8221; female friends ostracize her. Nice!!<br />
The Man is not going to change this. It benefits him! As usual. WE, as women, must take the matter into our own capable hands and acknowledge the HARM &amp; DISTRACTION that seeking male attention brings to our relationships with other women. </p>
<p>The reach of the patriarchy&#8217;s toxicity is truly mind-boggling.</p>
<p>Please stop giving your energy to men.</p>
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		<title>By: Felicity</title>
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		<dc:creator>Felicity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 22:05:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Undercover Punk,

Absolutely... I think you hit it with the link between sexual liberation and in- fighting. But P is never too far behind! Patriarchy has twisted our sexual liberation in every way possible. Making it about looking the best we can for men against all odds, turning it into a competition for them has turned us cold against each other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Undercover Punk,</p>
<p>Absolutely&#8230; I think you hit it with the link between sexual liberation and in- fighting. But P is never too far behind! Patriarchy has twisted our sexual liberation in every way possible. Making it about looking the best we can for men against all odds, turning it into a competition for them has turned us cold against each other.</p>
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		<title>By: Donna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 21:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Housing-on-demand should be available to any woman who wants it, instantly liberating millions from the shackles of co-habiting for financial reasons. *That* would be fucking revolutionary.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

There is limited (and very inadequate) housing assistance available for women here in the U.S.  But they get it if, and only if, they have procreated and failed to secure the sponsorship and supervision of a male.  They also must be extremely indigent.  Unpartnered childless women who are poor can fuck off and die, since they didn&#039;t even succeed in getting their proper role half right.  

Still, I echo everyone else here who advises against having children.  Inasmuch as my life has been a cavalcade of stupid mistakes and ill-advised decisions that have led me to my current position of being on the brink of bankruptcy, and facing the prospect of having to live with my Nigel, I look back with profound gratitude on the fact that I realized long ago that motherhood was a bogus trap and I opted out of it.  Face it, any occupation that the Patriarchy slathers with so much unctious flattery as motherhood has got to be some of the most shitty unpaid oppressive bullshit imaginable.  Hell, even nuns get modest accomodations and (usually) don&#039;t have to fuck some entitled prick and birth babies for him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Housing-on-demand should be available to any woman who wants it, instantly liberating millions from the shackles of co-habiting for financial reasons. *That* would be fucking revolutionary.</p></blockquote>
<p>There is limited (and very inadequate) housing assistance available for women here in the U.S.  But they get it if, and only if, they have procreated and failed to secure the sponsorship and supervision of a male.  They also must be extremely indigent.  Unpartnered childless women who are poor can fuck off and die, since they didn&#8217;t even succeed in getting their proper role half right.  </p>
<p>Still, I echo everyone else here who advises against having children.  Inasmuch as my life has been a cavalcade of stupid mistakes and ill-advised decisions that have led me to my current position of being on the brink of bankruptcy, and facing the prospect of having to live with my Nigel, I look back with profound gratitude on the fact that I realized long ago that motherhood was a bogus trap and I opted out of it.  Face it, any occupation that the Patriarchy slathers with so much unctious flattery as motherhood has got to be some of the most shitty unpaid oppressive bullshit imaginable.  Hell, even nuns get modest accomodations and (usually) don&#8217;t have to fuck some entitled prick and birth babies for him.</p>
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		<title>By: Glowcita</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glowcita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 02:12:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>here in nicaragua, where i live, identifing yourself as a feminist is almost equal identifing yourself as a lesbian.
People here have NO respect for women at all, i have my fights here, but i wish i could do more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>here in nicaragua, where i live, identifing yourself as a feminist is almost equal identifing yourself as a lesbian.<br />
People here have NO respect for women at all, i have my fights here, but i wish i could do more.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 21:19:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Aunti Disestablishmentarian:

&lt;i&gt;I presume your SO is being flippant. I get her point, but I gotta bring up a few points.

Feminists, like non feminists, date a huge variety of personality types. From blamers right here at Twisty Town we hear of a large number of assholic Nigels and Nigellas. Indeed once shacked up to Prince/ss Charming, many women suddenly discover nascent feminist stirrings as a result of the reality of the “happily after after.”

Assholes are not necessarily terrible at sex: Examples of abusive partners who are good in the sack abound. It’s an effective method of keeping a woman on the line.

The flip side is that even a strong relationship based on mutual blah blah blah still may not produce good sex. Bummer.&lt;/i&gt;


You&#039;re right. My SO was being sarcastic about the study&#039;s findings, and you are absolutely correct that the correlation between feminism and fulfilling relationships is much more complicated than the study lets on.

But this brings up an interesting question: if this is yet another uncritical sociology study from the bowels of the Cultural Enforcement Department in academia, why isn&#039;t it railing against feminism? Why didn&#039;t they twist the results into yet another frothing anti-feminist rant?

Perhaps some progressive trailblazing women have made it past the P&#039;s guards and into publishing positions in the sociology field?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Aunti Disestablishmentarian:</p>
<p><i>I presume your SO is being flippant. I get her point, but I gotta bring up a few points.</p>
<p>Feminists, like non feminists, date a huge variety of personality types. From blamers right here at Twisty Town we hear of a large number of assholic Nigels and Nigellas. Indeed once shacked up to Prince/ss Charming, many women suddenly discover nascent feminist stirrings as a result of the reality of the “happily after after.”</p>
<p>Assholes are not necessarily terrible at sex: Examples of abusive partners who are good in the sack abound. It’s an effective method of keeping a woman on the line.</p>
<p>The flip side is that even a strong relationship based on mutual blah blah blah still may not produce good sex. Bummer.</i></p>
<p>You&#8217;re right. My SO was being sarcastic about the study&#8217;s findings, and you are absolutely correct that the correlation between feminism and fulfilling relationships is much more complicated than the study lets on.</p>
<p>But this brings up an interesting question: if this is yet another uncritical sociology study from the bowels of the Cultural Enforcement Department in academia, why isn&#8217;t it railing against feminism? Why didn&#8217;t they twist the results into yet another frothing anti-feminist rant?</p>
<p>Perhaps some progressive trailblazing women have made it past the P&#8217;s guards and into publishing positions in the sociology field?</p>
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		<title>By: undercover punk</title>
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		<dc:creator>undercover punk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 15:05:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hedgepig, thank you!! Nurture (parents) v. nurture (peer group) is very interesting, indeed! Ms. Haris&#039;s hypothesis might support an argument for commune-style living, or at least for being conscious of the political &amp; social atmosphere of the neighborhood you&#039;re raising children in. Unfortunately, such a choice is available only to parents with the privilege of geographic and/or social mobility. Then there&#039;s also the &quot;blank slate&quot; debate, which implicates one of my other favorite topics: the mind/body split and which has much relevancy to feminism.

thebewilderness &amp; Twisty, I can only speak for myself, but my experience with other ladies in the kitchen is one of great FUN and many pleasantries. It might be because of the people I choose to spend my time with, whether family or friend. I will admit that things DO get a little heated when we leave the kitchen while the food cooks in the oven for a round of Scrabble (no men allowed in our game!), so maybe that&#039;s our outlet for competition that prevents it from entering the kitchen. Nevertheless, I think that the tradition of gender separatism designed by the patriarchy is not entirely detrimental to female relationships with each other. Certainly before the industrial revolution when the division of gendered labor was less centralized, women were each other&#039;s primary companions. Maybe my historical vision of female relationships has been blissfully skewed by Lillian Faderman&#039;s &quot;Surpassing the Love of Men&quot;--- please feel free to correct me--- but I wonder if the &quot;in-fighting&quot; and intense competition between women isn&#039;t in some part a reaction to the &quot;sexual liberation&quot; that enabled us to have &quot;new&quot; relationships with men, rather requiring us to be &quot;good girls&quot; and virgins until marriage? Now that it&#039;s more or less &quot;acceptable&quot; for women to have multiple partners, now that we&#039;re &quot;allowed&quot; to have lots male &quot;friends,&quot; we see a new threat in each other. I&#039;m thinking out loud here; what&#039;s your reaction? I&#039;m not sure that this theory would apply to familial relationships, women seem to be quite coercive and even abusive about their expectations for each other within the context of family units (which expectations are often patriarchy-based!), but do you think the causal relationship between sexual &quot;liberation&quot; and &quot;in-fighting&quot; might apply to our platonic relationships with other women? 
I have a vague recollection of reading this analysis somewhere before...anyone? If true, this is yet another reason to give heterosexuality the boot! Incidentally, I&#039;ve found that some straight women who do not have many female friends are able to be friendly with my partner &amp; I, probably because we&#039;re not threatening to her (or, in turn, threatened by her) in her eternal quest for male attention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hedgepig, thank you!! Nurture (parents) v. nurture (peer group) is very interesting, indeed! Ms. Haris&#8217;s hypothesis might support an argument for commune-style living, or at least for being conscious of the political &amp; social atmosphere of the neighborhood you&#8217;re raising children in. Unfortunately, such a choice is available only to parents with the privilege of geographic and/or social mobility. Then there&#8217;s also the &#8220;blank slate&#8221; debate, which implicates one of my other favorite topics: the mind/body split and which has much relevancy to feminism.</p>
<p>thebewilderness &amp; Twisty, I can only speak for myself, but my experience with other ladies in the kitchen is one of great FUN and many pleasantries. It might be because of the people I choose to spend my time with, whether family or friend. I will admit that things DO get a little heated when we leave the kitchen while the food cooks in the oven for a round of Scrabble (no men allowed in our game!), so maybe that&#8217;s our outlet for competition that prevents it from entering the kitchen. Nevertheless, I think that the tradition of gender separatism designed by the patriarchy is not entirely detrimental to female relationships with each other. Certainly before the industrial revolution when the division of gendered labor was less centralized, women were each other&#8217;s primary companions. Maybe my historical vision of female relationships has been blissfully skewed by Lillian Faderman&#8217;s &#8220;Surpassing the Love of Men&#8221;&#8212; please feel free to correct me&#8212; but I wonder if the &#8220;in-fighting&#8221; and intense competition between women isn&#8217;t in some part a reaction to the &#8220;sexual liberation&#8221; that enabled us to have &#8220;new&#8221; relationships with men, rather requiring us to be &#8220;good girls&#8221; and virgins until marriage? Now that it&#8217;s more or less &#8220;acceptable&#8221; for women to have multiple partners, now that we&#8217;re &#8220;allowed&#8221; to have lots male &#8220;friends,&#8221; we see a new threat in each other. I&#8217;m thinking out loud here; what&#8217;s your reaction? I&#8217;m not sure that this theory would apply to familial relationships, women seem to be quite coercive and even abusive about their expectations for each other within the context of family units (which expectations are often patriarchy-based!), but do you think the causal relationship between sexual &#8220;liberation&#8221; and &#8220;in-fighting&#8221; might apply to our platonic relationships with other women?<br />
I have a vague recollection of reading this analysis somewhere before&#8230;anyone? If true, this is yet another reason to give heterosexuality the boot! Incidentally, I&#8217;ve found that some straight women who do not have many female friends are able to be friendly with my partner &amp; I, probably because we&#8217;re not threatening to her (or, in turn, threatened by her) in her eternal quest for male attention.</p>
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		<title>By: thebewilderness</title>
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		<dc:creator>thebewilderness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 02:51:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know you are right, Twisty, but there is something going on out in the kitchen where the women gather to assemble their food offerings to the men.
I thought it might be bonding. Competing is more likely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know you are right, Twisty, but there is something going on out in the kitchen where the women gather to assemble their food offerings to the men.<br />
I thought it might be bonding. Competing is more likely.</p>
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		<title>By: Hedgepig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hedgepig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 21:48:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>undercover punk: The Nurture Assumption, by Judith Rich Harris.

This is not a feminist work, and I think she&#039;s got quite a few things wrong, but it is a fascinating read with lots of interesting ideas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>undercover punk: The Nurture Assumption, by Judith Rich Harris.</p>
<p>This is not a feminist work, and I think she&#8217;s got quite a few things wrong, but it is a fascinating read with lots of interesting ideas.</p>
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