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	<title>Comments on: Field notes from the Equine Behavioral Studies Dept.</title>
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		<title>By: joy</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2009/03/07/field-notes-from-the-equine-behavioral-studies-dept/#comment-170343</link>
		<dc:creator>joy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 01:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(Nooo! I left an ellipsis in there! In the wrong place! It was supposed to go at the end, to indicate &#039;and so on, as per the readers&#039; imaginations.&#039; Editing fail.)</description>
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		<title>By: joy</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2009/03/07/field-notes-from-the-equine-behavioral-studies-dept/#comment-170342</link>
		<dc:creator>joy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 01:15:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Old post, but this topic is excellent.

Peter, my gelding, was born prematurely and his mother never really took to him. Thus, he bonded most closely with human beings. 

His conditioning reinforcing, which non-horsepeople and a lot of horsepeople can never believe, is human affection. Specifically, my affection. He will do any number of spooky, terrible things (walk past a garbage can or mailbox or barking dog, jump a water-filled ditch, climb into the trailer, wear a plastic tarp as a cape) if he knows I will pet his ears or give him a hug. The main stopping block in his training wasn&#039;t convincing him to stop bucking or running away -- it was convincing him to stop coming to me every fifteen minutes for a hug. 

The love-based training has resulted in a horse who will stand stock still in the pasture and let me use him as the goal in a soccer game; allows me and a friend to play &#039;tennis&#039; (catch) with him as the net; will simply cock an ear while I go &#039;bowling&#039; (again with a soft ball) between his hooves; plants his feet and sighs when I throw a plastic tarp or a sheet over his entire head and body; jumps anything if I just stand still and point at it ... freezes and wait for me to reassure him instead of simply bolting when he gets spooked.

He learns tasks by watching, and will do them seemingly to entertain me with no other reward. He will attempt to &#039;put away&#039; jumps, typically just knocking the rails out of the jump cups, after we ride. He knows how to turn on water spigots. He can open his own stall door, take himself out to the pasture, and close the gate behind himself if he wants to graze. 

It&#039;s baffling to me why people think horses are stupid. Maybe men just can&#039;t understand anything they can&#039;t control.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Old post, but this topic is excellent.</p>
<p>Peter, my gelding, was born prematurely and his mother never really took to him. Thus, he bonded most closely with human beings. </p>
<p>His conditioning reinforcing, which non-horsepeople and a lot of horsepeople can never believe, is human affection. Specifically, my affection. He will do any number of spooky, terrible things (walk past a garbage can or mailbox or barking dog, jump a water-filled ditch, climb into the trailer, wear a plastic tarp as a cape) if he knows I will pet his ears or give him a hug. The main stopping block in his training wasn&#8217;t convincing him to stop bucking or running away &#8212; it was convincing him to stop coming to me every fifteen minutes for a hug. </p>
<p>The love-based training has resulted in a horse who will stand stock still in the pasture and let me use him as the goal in a soccer game; allows me and a friend to play &#8216;tennis&#8217; (catch) with him as the net; will simply cock an ear while I go &#8216;bowling&#8217; (again with a soft ball) between his hooves; plants his feet and sighs when I throw a plastic tarp or a sheet over his entire head and body; jumps anything if I just stand still and point at it &#8230; freezes and wait for me to reassure him instead of simply bolting when he gets spooked.</p>
<p>He learns tasks by watching, and will do them seemingly to entertain me with no other reward. He will attempt to &#8216;put away&#8217; jumps, typically just knocking the rails out of the jump cups, after we ride. He knows how to turn on water spigots. He can open his own stall door, take himself out to the pasture, and close the gate behind himself if he wants to graze. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s baffling to me why people think horses are stupid. Maybe men just can&#8217;t understand anything they can&#8217;t control.</p>
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		<title>By: Ideas Worth Spreading: The Intelligence of Crows &#171; Gender Goggles</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2009/03/07/field-notes-from-the-equine-behavioral-studies-dept/#comment-147625</link>
		<dc:creator>Ideas Worth Spreading: The Intelligence of Crows &#171; Gender Goggles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 17:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] eh? It reminds me of Twisty&#8217;s post on operant conditioning with her horses. I don&#8217;t have a lot to say about this one, but it&#8217;s always been one of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] eh? It reminds me of Twisty&#8217;s post on operant conditioning with her horses. I don&#8217;t have a lot to say about this one, but it&#8217;s always been one of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: kristin</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2009/03/07/field-notes-from-the-equine-behavioral-studies-dept/#comment-145810</link>
		<dc:creator>kristin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 20:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I for one would *love* to teach all of mine to go in the toilet and bypass the litterbox entirely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I for one would *love* to teach all of mine to go in the toilet and bypass the litterbox entirely.</p>
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		<title>By: Feminist Fruits of the Internet &#124; ScribalFusion</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2009/03/07/field-notes-from-the-equine-behavioral-studies-dept/#comment-145782</link>
		<dc:creator>Feminist Fruits of the Internet &#124; ScribalFusion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 13:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I usually do &#8212; here is a recent post about something not entirely feminism-oriented. Instead, here&#8217;s a really amazing entry about training her horses, in which one of her horses is smarter [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I usually do &#8212; here is a recent post about something not entirely feminism-oriented. Instead, here&#8217;s a really amazing entry about training her horses, in which one of her horses is smarter [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jezebella</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jezebella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 13:46:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, come to think of it, my two semi-Siamese cats taught *me* to play fetch with them. The older one isn&#039;t interested any more, but the younger will play for hours.  I just can&#039;t think of anything I particularly want to teach the cats, since they do not have opposable thumbs and therefore cannot clean their own litterboxes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, come to think of it, my two semi-Siamese cats taught *me* to play fetch with them. The older one isn&#8217;t interested any more, but the younger will play for hours.  I just can&#8217;t think of anything I particularly want to teach the cats, since they do not have opposable thumbs and therefore cannot clean their own litterboxes.</p>
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		<title>By: kristin</title>
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		<dc:creator>kristin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 07:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I’m trying to figure out if operant conditioning works on cats, and if so, what should I teach mine?&quot;

Oh, it certainly does. My little guy learned to come when he was called in the space of about 10 minutes. I used his breakfast, doled out in wee bites, and a clicker. 

Another breakfast, I taught him to sit up and &quot;beg&quot;. Next, I think I&#039;ll teach him to run around in a circle like chasing his tail.

He also loves to play fetch. Training him to do that wasn&#039;t as structured as the other things. He just really loved it when I flicked his little toys so they jumped for him to catch, and cottoned on quick that if they were right by my hand I was way more likely to flick them. The flying toy was his reinforcement when he got it &quot;right&quot;. He&#039;s the second fetching cat I&#039;ve had, by the way, and the other one learned the same way. 

He&#039;s a bright little guy, gets into lots of trouble (like Maypearl) if I don&#039;t keep him busy, but he&#039;s definitely not some aberrant genius supercat.

&quot;I think the difficulty for humans trying operant conditioning on cats is that cats don’t seem to have guaranteed reinforcers like dogs, horses, and humans.&quot;

Nonsense. Different cats want different things, but once you get to know a cat it&#039;s easy to predict what they&#039;ll work for. They&#039;re exactly as trainable as any other social, intelligent animal. Youtube &quot;clicker cat&quot; or some variation on that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I’m trying to figure out if operant conditioning works on cats, and if so, what should I teach mine?&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh, it certainly does. My little guy learned to come when he was called in the space of about 10 minutes. I used his breakfast, doled out in wee bites, and a clicker. </p>
<p>Another breakfast, I taught him to sit up and &#8220;beg&#8221;. Next, I think I&#8217;ll teach him to run around in a circle like chasing his tail.</p>
<p>He also loves to play fetch. Training him to do that wasn&#8217;t as structured as the other things. He just really loved it when I flicked his little toys so they jumped for him to catch, and cottoned on quick that if they were right by my hand I was way more likely to flick them. The flying toy was his reinforcement when he got it &#8220;right&#8221;. He&#8217;s the second fetching cat I&#8217;ve had, by the way, and the other one learned the same way. </p>
<p>He&#8217;s a bright little guy, gets into lots of trouble (like Maypearl) if I don&#8217;t keep him busy, but he&#8217;s definitely not some aberrant genius supercat.</p>
<p>&#8220;I think the difficulty for humans trying operant conditioning on cats is that cats don’t seem to have guaranteed reinforcers like dogs, horses, and humans.&#8221;</p>
<p>Nonsense. Different cats want different things, but once you get to know a cat it&#8217;s easy to predict what they&#8217;ll work for. They&#8217;re exactly as trainable as any other social, intelligent animal. Youtube &#8220;clicker cat&#8221; or some variation on that.</p>
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		<title>By: CunningAllusionment?</title>
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		<dc:creator>CunningAllusionment?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 21:07:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This reminds me of an experiment of sorts at an elephant preserve in Thailand, where elephants were taught to play elephantine versions of traditional Thai instruments.  What was interesting was how different elephants became particularly interested in different instruments that proceeded to carry around the preserve with them, playing where ever they went.  Elephants would spontaneously gather to &quot;jam&quot; together, even began teaching the techniques to their young.  The juveniles then innovated new playing techniques that the handlers hadn&#039;t thought of, which were then picked up by the elephants.

Human intelligence is not only highly overrated, it&#039;s also far less unique than we&#039;re accustomed to supposing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This reminds me of an experiment of sorts at an elephant preserve in Thailand, where elephants were taught to play elephantine versions of traditional Thai instruments.  What was interesting was how different elephants became particularly interested in different instruments that proceeded to carry around the preserve with them, playing where ever they went.  Elephants would spontaneously gather to &#8220;jam&#8221; together, even began teaching the techniques to their young.  The juveniles then innovated new playing techniques that the handlers hadn&#8217;t thought of, which were then picked up by the elephants.</p>
<p>Human intelligence is not only highly overrated, it&#8217;s also far less unique than we&#8217;re accustomed to supposing.</p>
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		<title>By: Barn Owl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barn Owl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 11:34:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My horses used to be difficult to catch, and then I bought breakaway halters for them.  You know, the kind with the thin leather &quot;fuses&quot;.  Our hypothesis at the ranch is that a horse with a halter thinks it is already caught, and will therefore walk right up to the two-legged paddock intruder, to patiently accept the clipping on of the lead rope.  I no longer have to chase my horses around the paddock (a futile exercise in any case), nor do I have to use bribes of sweet feed or range cubes.  I also live in the Hill Country, so the paddock is as prickly and thorny with cactus and mesquite, as yours probably is, Twisty.  Not a problem with the breakaway halters (just with tails and manes, of course).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My horses used to be difficult to catch, and then I bought breakaway halters for them.  You know, the kind with the thin leather &#8220;fuses&#8221;.  Our hypothesis at the ranch is that a horse with a halter thinks it is already caught, and will therefore walk right up to the two-legged paddock intruder, to patiently accept the clipping on of the lead rope.  I no longer have to chase my horses around the paddock (a futile exercise in any case), nor do I have to use bribes of sweet feed or range cubes.  I also live in the Hill Country, so the paddock is as prickly and thorny with cactus and mesquite, as yours probably is, Twisty.  Not a problem with the breakaway halters (just with tails and manes, of course).</p>
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		<title>By: Twisty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Twisty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 21:07:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am confused by this non-horse-related talk on my horse post. She said as gently as possible.</description>
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