Comments on: Primate week continues: the origins of prostitution http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2009/04/08/primate-week-continues-the-origins-of-prostitution/ Thu, 09 Feb 2012 18:42:12 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Pop psych mag cites evolutionary evidence for female fickleness « I Blame The Patriarchy http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2009/04/08/primate-week-continues-the-origins-of-prostitution/#comment-170669 Pop psych mag cites evolutionary evidence for female fickleness « I Blame The Patriarchy Thu, 09 Dec 2010 23:50:52 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/?p=1947#comment-170669 [...] chimps” which “swell and turn a dramatic shade of pink”. It is a fact — documented by the Spinstitute for the Study of EvPsych Clichés — that no author contriving an [...] [...] chimps” which “swell and turn a dramatic shade of pink”. It is a fact — documented by the Spinstitute for the Study of EvPsych Clichés — that no author contriving an [...]

]]> By: SelinaK http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2009/04/08/primate-week-continues-the-origins-of-prostitution/#comment-164696 SelinaK Sat, 12 Jun 2010 20:47:33 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/?p=1947#comment-164696 Big suprise, turns out original 'study' is complete bullshit: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20493515 http://news.oneindia.in/2010/05/28/chimpsdont-trade-meat-for-sex.html Big suprise, turns out original ’study’ is complete bullshit:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20493515

http://news.oneindia.in/2010/05/28/chimpsdont-trade-meat-for-sex.html

]]> By: Kiuku http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2009/04/08/primate-week-continues-the-origins-of-prostitution/#comment-160014 Kiuku Thu, 11 Mar 2010 23:57:07 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/?p=1947#comment-160014 the thing about female chimps and tools, spears, etc is that female chimps usually always construct the first tools, for multitudes of tasks. It's always the females, and the males follow because of observation, or do not follow at all. Of course, they'd rather project prostitution onto a rather normal social behavior (offering food). In Dude Nation women cannot provide for themselves by themselves. In the wild, and in any healthy social group, they can. But a more interesting study would be on why the observers project motivations onto the female chimps (either manipulative, conniving, or lack of ability) and the male chimps (providing, making a deal) that just don't exist. In the Patriarchy though, men are constantly making these deals. But notice how its' never the male that is using the female. The female is always colored as using the male. I know of many men, actually every single man that feels used if he does something for a woman that does not give and has not given him sexual favors. the thing about female chimps and tools, spears, etc is that female chimps usually always construct the first tools, for multitudes of tasks. It’s always the females, and the males follow because of observation, or do not follow at all. Of course, they’d rather project prostitution onto a rather normal social behavior (offering food). In Dude Nation women cannot provide for themselves by themselves. In the wild, and in any healthy social group, they can. But a more interesting study would be on why the observers project motivations onto the female chimps (either manipulative, conniving, or lack of ability) and the male chimps (providing, making a deal) that just don’t exist.

In the Patriarchy though, men are constantly making these deals. But notice how its’ never the male that is using the female. The female is always colored as using the male. I know of many men, actually every single man that feels used if he does something for a woman that does not give and has not given him sexual favors.

]]> By: Jonathan http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2009/04/08/primate-week-continues-the-origins-of-prostitution/#comment-148377 Jonathan Wed, 06 May 2009 02:21:57 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/?p=1947#comment-148377 For a long time I wondered why some porn-rotted Dudebags would name their hideous women's sexbot fashion company <i>Anthropologie</i>. Then I read IBTP, and it all coheres! For a long time I wondered why some porn-rotted Dudebags would name their hideous women’s sexbot fashion company Anthropologie.

Then I read IBTP, and it all coheres!

]]> By: Cathy http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2009/04/08/primate-week-continues-the-origins-of-prostitution/#comment-147906 Cathy Wed, 22 Apr 2009 22:41:41 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/?p=1947#comment-147906 "Why couldn’t it have been posited that the females took a look at how the males were taking a long-ass time to kill the varmint, took a look at a stick, had an ‘ah-ha’ moment, and went to tool making? And the males, well, they’re just too stupid or stubborn to take a cue from the ladies. No, they don’t get props for being smart. They get derided for being weak. As usual." Speedbudget, that was great. I imagine the males won't use spears cuz the others would say, "You hunt like a GIRL." “Why couldn’t it have been posited that the females took a look at how the males were taking a long-ass time to kill the varmint, took a look at a stick, had an ‘ah-ha’ moment, and went to tool making? And the males, well, they’re just too stupid or stubborn to take a cue from the ladies.

No, they don’t get props for being smart. They get derided for being weak. As usual.”

Speedbudget, that was great. I imagine the males won’t use spears cuz the others would say, “You hunt like a GIRL.”

]]> By: Eric http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2009/04/08/primate-week-continues-the-origins-of-prostitution/#comment-147458 Eric Tue, 14 Apr 2009 17:29:53 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/?p=1947#comment-147458 Great post. Your readers might be interested to know that, not only was the commentary on this story deeply offensive, they missed the entire point of the study. If you'd like to learn how this study actually shows how females are calling the shots check out one of Nature's blogs "The Primate Diaries." http://tiny.cc/kKTmL Great post. Your readers might be interested to know that, not only was the commentary on this story deeply offensive, they missed the entire point of the study. If you’d like to learn how this study actually shows how females are calling the shots check out one of Nature’s blogs “The Primate Diaries.” http://tiny.cc/kKTmL

]]> By: gerda http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2009/04/08/primate-week-continues-the-origins-of-prostitution/#comment-147394 gerda Mon, 13 Apr 2009 21:27:27 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/?p=1947#comment-147394 what got me was; "female chimps do not usually hunt" ummm.... that depends on yer definition of hunting. they use sharp sticks to kill bushbabys sleeping in hollow trees, but i suppose that's more like...err... 'fishing'? 'gathering'? i am more likely to fancy and therefore put out for a handy chap that shares his stuff with me, rather than a layabout that just blags, whats so unevolutioniary about that? what got me was;

“female chimps do not usually hunt”

ummm…. that depends on yer definition of hunting. they use sharp sticks to kill bushbabys sleeping in hollow trees, but i suppose that’s more like…err… ‘fishing’? ‘gathering’?

i am more likely to fancy and therefore put out for a handy chap that shares his stuff with me, rather than a layabout that just blags, whats so unevolutioniary about that?

]]> By: keshmeshi http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2009/04/08/primate-week-continues-the-origins-of-prostitution/#comment-147259 keshmeshi Sun, 12 Apr 2009 02:57:29 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/?p=1947#comment-147259 <i>Pardon my language, but the fact that this researcher was conceptually able to put chimps and “hunter-gatherer” humans in the same group is fucking offensive.</i> No kidding. It makes my hair stand on end thinking about how these numbnuts are going to interpret hunter-gatherer societies, and how they'll likely approach these peoples as if they're animals at the zoo. It's also my admittedly amateurish understanding that hunter-gatherer societies tend to be less overtly patriarchal, with women often having more reproductive control, more choice of sexual partner(s), and more options to get out of bad relationships, and are less likely to be the victims of gendered violence. Pardon my language, but the fact that this researcher was conceptually able to put chimps and “hunter-gatherer” humans in the same group is fucking offensive.

No kidding. It makes my hair stand on end thinking about how these numbnuts are going to interpret hunter-gatherer societies, and how they’ll likely approach these peoples as if they’re animals at the zoo.

It’s also my admittedly amateurish understanding that hunter-gatherer societies tend to be less overtly patriarchal, with women often having more reproductive control, more choice of sexual partner(s), and more options to get out of bad relationships, and are less likely to be the victims of gendered violence.

]]> By: Chimp behaviour provides solution to the pay gap… « Too Much To Say For Myself http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2009/04/08/primate-week-continues-the-origins-of-prostitution/#comment-147253 Chimp behaviour provides solution to the pay gap… « Too Much To Say For Myself Sat, 11 Apr 2009 23:10:52 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/?p=1947#comment-147253 [...] Twisty Faster: “I wonder if the researchers will draw any conclusions about human behavior based on these patriarchy-informed observations of an isolated primate population belonging to a totally different genus?” [...] [...] Twisty Faster: “I wonder if the researchers will draw any conclusions about human behavior based on these patriarchy-informed observations of an isolated primate population belonging to a totally different genus?” [...]

]]> By: Carolyn http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2009/04/08/primate-week-continues-the-origins-of-prostitution/#comment-147218 Carolyn Sat, 11 Apr 2009 11:25:51 +0000 http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/?p=1947#comment-147218 Hannah, THANK YOU for that excellent reading list, and the paper, which I just downloaded. It's Darwin year here, and I'm taking biology courses in school, so I'm overwhelmed with questions about how evolution (specifically sexual selection) is supposed to work that no one I know here can answer, and I've been looking all over for places to go for non-distorted information. I'd actually already ordered The Woman who Never Evolved, and am planning to read Gowalty on campus (it's surprisingly expensive to buy), but didn't know about the others on the list. Hannah, THANK YOU for that excellent reading list, and the paper, which I just downloaded. It’s Darwin year here, and I’m taking biology courses in school, so I’m overwhelmed with questions about how evolution (specifically sexual selection) is supposed to work that no one I know here can answer, and I’ve been looking all over for places to go for non-distorted information. I’d actually already ordered The Woman who Never Evolved, and am planning to read Gowalty on campus (it’s surprisingly expensive to buy), but didn’t know about the others on the list.

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