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		<title>By: delphi</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2009/06/21/spinster-aunt-longs-to-bathe-lobe/#comment-152507</link>
		<dc:creator>delphi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 12:27:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was brave of you posting a gotcha a day after the thread died.
Bravo</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was brave of you posting a gotcha a day after the thread died.<br />
Bravo</p>
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		<title>By: Hedgepig</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2009/06/21/spinster-aunt-longs-to-bathe-lobe/#comment-152283</link>
		<dc:creator>Hedgepig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 08:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great, now you&#039;re clear on the definition of straw man arguments maybe you&#039;ll make them less often.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great, now you&#8217;re clear on the definition of straw man arguments maybe you&#8217;ll make them less often.</p>
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		<title>By: Sis</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2009/06/21/spinster-aunt-longs-to-bathe-lobe/#comment-152250</link>
		<dc:creator>Sis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 14:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;A straw man argument is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent&#039;s position.[1] To &quot;attack a straw man&quot; is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by substituting a superficially similar proposition (the &quot;straw man&quot;), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position.[1] [2]&quot; Dickepedia</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;A straw man argument is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent&#8217;s position.[1] To &#8220;attack a straw man&#8221; is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by substituting a superficially similar proposition (the &#8220;straw man&#8221;), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position.[1] [2]&#8221; Dickepedia</p>
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		<title>By: Hedgepig</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2009/06/21/spinster-aunt-longs-to-bathe-lobe/#comment-152243</link>
		<dc:creator>Hedgepig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 07:58:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But, Sis, are you able to refute Paige&#039;s claim that Palin is anti-Roe vs Wade? If not, all your claims that Palin is a feminist and that we &quot;anti-woman feminists&quot; who don&#039;t think Palin is a great thing for women&#039;s rights are simply expressing our own misogyny is just so much delusional BS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But, Sis, are you able to refute Paige&#8217;s claim that Palin is anti-Roe vs Wade? If not, all your claims that Palin is a feminist and that we &#8220;anti-woman feminists&#8221; who don&#8217;t think Palin is a great thing for women&#8217;s rights are simply expressing our own misogyny is just so much delusional BS.</p>
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		<title>By: Sis</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2009/06/21/spinster-aunt-longs-to-bathe-lobe/#comment-152239</link>
		<dc:creator>Sis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 04:55:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She likes to talk about her own choices, but her political position is that everyone must be forced by law to “choose” her way.

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I think we have heard your political position in this last post, loud and clear. You&#039;re inserting your agenda into what other people say. 

I&#039;m not a Palin &quot;fan&quot;. I&#039;m against the sexism and misogynistic attacks used against her and therefore, all women, and the distortion of why radical feminists &quot;defend&quot; her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She likes to talk about her own choices, but her political position is that everyone must be forced by law to “choose” her way.</p>
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<p>I think we have heard your political position in this last post, loud and clear. You&#8217;re inserting your agenda into what other people say. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not a Palin &#8220;fan&#8221;. I&#8217;m against the sexism and misogynistic attacks used against her and therefore, all women, and the distortion of why radical feminists &#8220;defend&#8221; her.</p>
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		<title>By: K</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2009/06/21/spinster-aunt-longs-to-bathe-lobe/#comment-152146</link>
		<dc:creator>K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 02:57:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I apologize for being off-topic, and apologize again if this has already been cleared up and I missed it, but I saw it repeated several times on this page that Hugo Schwyzer is pro-life. Unless I can&#039;t read, Hugo is no longer a pro-lifer and has been pro-choice for quite some time. 

I don&#039;t mean to thread-jack, I&#039;m just confused. Apologies again if this kind of comment is not appreciated in this space.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I apologize for being off-topic, and apologize again if this has already been cleared up and I missed it, but I saw it repeated several times on this page that Hugo Schwyzer is pro-life. Unless I can&#8217;t read, Hugo is no longer a pro-lifer and has been pro-choice for quite some time. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t mean to thread-jack, I&#8217;m just confused. Apologies again if this kind of comment is not appreciated in this space.</p>
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		<title>By: Paige</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paige</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:57:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just glanced back at this thread after a week or so and saw the following quote from Sis about Palin on abortion: &quot;As far as I know, Palin hasn’t told us she does not support a woman’s right to abortion. The choice she makes for herself is just that, for herself.&quot;

This quote is just wrong.  Palin fundamentally does not support a woman&#039;s legal right to abortion, period (except where the woman&#039;s life is threatened).  See the links in my first comment above.  Palin responded to a pointed question about when abortion should be illegal by stating, &quot;With the exception of a doctor’s determination that the mother’s life would end if the pregnancy continued.&quot;  The question asked about rape and incest exceptions, among other legal exceptions, and Palin would not endorse them.  Similarly, Palin has repeatedly stated in interviews that Roe v. Wade should be overturned, i.e. that states should be allowed to pass abortion restrictions even beyond all the restrictions we have now.  That&#039;s a view of what the law should be, not a view of the &quot;choice she makes for herself.&quot;  This is why Palin has the strong support of Phyllis Schlafly and many anti-abortion crusaders.

This issue is important to me, and it&#039;s disappointing when I read people who are ostensibly on the left, like &quot;Sis&quot; or Violet Socks, misrepresenting Palin&#039;s position.  Yes, Palin prefers to talk more often about her &quot;personal&quot; opposition to abortion.  But that&#039;s just a convenient dodge.  When you look carefully at her answers to the questions about when abortion should be legal, she stakes out a strong position that abortion should be illegal in all cases except to save the woman&#039;s life.

It&#039;s fine with me if Palin wants to choose, for herself, never to have an abortion.  But I will fight to keep her from imposing those views on the rest of us, as she tried to do with that egregious parental consent bill in Alaska.

That bill, just to give one window into Palin&#039;s thinking about abortion, would have had a number of effects.  Minors of course usually involve their parents in major decisions like abortion, but every so often there&#039;s a good reason why a teenager needs access to abortion without involving her parents, i.e. she&#039;ll be beaten or kicked out of the house by her godbag parents, or she is pregnant as a result of incest.  Almost no teenagers can easily find their way to a lawyer and a judge - it&#039;s hard enough to get to a health clinic - so it&#039;s basically up to Palin and the Alaska legislature whether these teenagers should have the right to choose, or not.  Palin has made it abundantly clear where she stands.  So please, Palin fans, do not try to distort that or run away from it.  She likes to talk about her own choices, but her political position is that everyone must be forced by law to &quot;choose&quot; her way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just glanced back at this thread after a week or so and saw the following quote from Sis about Palin on abortion: &#8220;As far as I know, Palin hasn’t told us she does not support a woman’s right to abortion. The choice she makes for herself is just that, for herself.&#8221;</p>
<p>This quote is just wrong.  Palin fundamentally does not support a woman&#8217;s legal right to abortion, period (except where the woman&#8217;s life is threatened).  See the links in my first comment above.  Palin responded to a pointed question about when abortion should be illegal by stating, &#8220;With the exception of a doctor’s determination that the mother’s life would end if the pregnancy continued.&#8221;  The question asked about rape and incest exceptions, among other legal exceptions, and Palin would not endorse them.  Similarly, Palin has repeatedly stated in interviews that Roe v. Wade should be overturned, i.e. that states should be allowed to pass abortion restrictions even beyond all the restrictions we have now.  That&#8217;s a view of what the law should be, not a view of the &#8220;choice she makes for herself.&#8221;  This is why Palin has the strong support of Phyllis Schlafly and many anti-abortion crusaders.</p>
<p>This issue is important to me, and it&#8217;s disappointing when I read people who are ostensibly on the left, like &#8220;Sis&#8221; or Violet Socks, misrepresenting Palin&#8217;s position.  Yes, Palin prefers to talk more often about her &#8220;personal&#8221; opposition to abortion.  But that&#8217;s just a convenient dodge.  When you look carefully at her answers to the questions about when abortion should be legal, she stakes out a strong position that abortion should be illegal in all cases except to save the woman&#8217;s life.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s fine with me if Palin wants to choose, for herself, never to have an abortion.  But I will fight to keep her from imposing those views on the rest of us, as she tried to do with that egregious parental consent bill in Alaska.</p>
<p>That bill, just to give one window into Palin&#8217;s thinking about abortion, would have had a number of effects.  Minors of course usually involve their parents in major decisions like abortion, but every so often there&#8217;s a good reason why a teenager needs access to abortion without involving her parents, i.e. she&#8217;ll be beaten or kicked out of the house by her godbag parents, or she is pregnant as a result of incest.  Almost no teenagers can easily find their way to a lawyer and a judge &#8211; it&#8217;s hard enough to get to a health clinic &#8211; so it&#8217;s basically up to Palin and the Alaska legislature whether these teenagers should have the right to choose, or not.  Palin has made it abundantly clear where she stands.  So please, Palin fans, do not try to distort that or run away from it.  She likes to talk about her own choices, but her political position is that everyone must be forced by law to &#8220;choose&#8221; her way.</p>
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		<title>By: Bird</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2009/06/21/spinster-aunt-longs-to-bathe-lobe/#comment-152105</link>
		<dc:creator>Bird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure how taking time to listen to what Elders have to say, spending time with Native women leaders, supporting Aboriginal women&#039;s marches, or doing any other such thing is me &quot;making my bones&quot; in politics. It&#039;s me doing what women like Muriel Stanley Venne have asked white women to do: stand up and support Native women in their fight and not stay silent when our sisters are oppressed.

It is true, I am a politician. What would be more responsible: attempting to understand and work for the rights of all people in my province, or ignoring the oppression of Native people? I&#039;m not supporting Aboriginal women to win votes. The riding I am running in has a very tiny First Nations population. I give a damn about Native women&#039;s lives because there are enough goddamn politicians our there who don&#039;t, and I&#039;m tired of watching Native women suffer and even die because of white people&#039;s--including white women&#039;s--indifference.

And I know Pheeno is who she says she is. I&#039;ve eaten at her table and she&#039;s been a guest under my roof.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure how taking time to listen to what Elders have to say, spending time with Native women leaders, supporting Aboriginal women&#8217;s marches, or doing any other such thing is me &#8220;making my bones&#8221; in politics. It&#8217;s me doing what women like Muriel Stanley Venne have asked white women to do: stand up and support Native women in their fight and not stay silent when our sisters are oppressed.</p>
<p>It is true, I am a politician. What would be more responsible: attempting to understand and work for the rights of all people in my province, or ignoring the oppression of Native people? I&#8217;m not supporting Aboriginal women to win votes. The riding I am running in has a very tiny First Nations population. I give a damn about Native women&#8217;s lives because there are enough goddamn politicians our there who don&#8217;t, and I&#8217;m tired of watching Native women suffer and even die because of white people&#8217;s&#8211;including white women&#8217;s&#8211;indifference.</p>
<p>And I know Pheeno is who she says she is. I&#8217;ve eaten at her table and she&#8217;s been a guest under my roof.</p>
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		<title>By: delphyne</title>
		<link>http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2009/06/21/spinster-aunt-longs-to-bathe-lobe/#comment-152085</link>
		<dc:creator>delphyne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 18:39:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That article is a sexist piece of crap.  You&#039;d never get a male politician treated that way.  Couric&#039;s question, which Noonan brings up again and which nobody seems to be able to let go of, sneeringly asking Palin what papers she read was an insult, no wonder Palin didn&#039;t answer.  She&#039;s not a performing dog, she was a governor of Alaska and deserved the respect of that position that male politicians are always afforded.

&quot;scattered, illogical, manipulative and self-referential to the point of self-reverence&quot;

Yup Noonan isn&#039;t playing off any sexist stereotypes there.  Remember Obama&#039;s fake presidential seal if we&#039;re talking about self-reverence.  Once again Palin is the whipping-girl for Obama&#039;s real failings.

&quot;&quot;I&#039;m not wired that way,&quot; &quot;I&#039;m not a quitter,&quot; &quot;I&#039;m standing up for our values.&quot; I&#039;m, I&#039;m, I&#039;m.&quot;

Indeed how terrible to talk about yourself during an election which is basically a national job interview to persuade people to employ you.  At least she didn&#039;t write two books about herself like Obama did before he even reached high office or a national stage, taking me-me-meism to quite a new level.

Why are women expected to always see other people&#039;s point of view by the way?  I get that kind of crap all the time because I refuse to change my mind about radical feminist principles.  I find the people that expect that kind of thing from me are normally sexists and assholes to boot, so put Noonan in the sexist asshole bracket (like we didn&#039;t know that already).

I guess all the people who think Palin isn&#039;t thoughtful, whatever that&#039;s supposed to mean, are patting themselves on the back that that&#039;s exactly what they are.  If loving Obama reflected well on the narcissists because he&#039;s everything they think they are, sneering at Palin does the same job, enabling themselves to distance themselves from everything they believe she is.

This thread at Reclusive Leftist has produced the most interesting commentary on the hate Palin phenomenon by feminists that I&#039;ve seen:

http://www.reclusiveleftist.com/2009/07/04/feminists-and-the-mystery-of-sarah-palin/#comments</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That article is a sexist piece of crap.  You&#8217;d never get a male politician treated that way.  Couric&#8217;s question, which Noonan brings up again and which nobody seems to be able to let go of, sneeringly asking Palin what papers she read was an insult, no wonder Palin didn&#8217;t answer.  She&#8217;s not a performing dog, she was a governor of Alaska and deserved the respect of that position that male politicians are always afforded.</p>
<p>&#8220;scattered, illogical, manipulative and self-referential to the point of self-reverence&#8221;</p>
<p>Yup Noonan isn&#8217;t playing off any sexist stereotypes there.  Remember Obama&#8217;s fake presidential seal if we&#8217;re talking about self-reverence.  Once again Palin is the whipping-girl for Obama&#8217;s real failings.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8221;I&#8217;m not wired that way,&#8221; &#8220;I&#8217;m not a quitter,&#8221; &#8220;I&#8217;m standing up for our values.&#8221; I&#8217;m, I&#8217;m, I&#8217;m.&#8221;</p>
<p>Indeed how terrible to talk about yourself during an election which is basically a national job interview to persuade people to employ you.  At least she didn&#8217;t write two books about herself like Obama did before he even reached high office or a national stage, taking me-me-meism to quite a new level.</p>
<p>Why are women expected to always see other people&#8217;s point of view by the way?  I get that kind of crap all the time because I refuse to change my mind about radical feminist principles.  I find the people that expect that kind of thing from me are normally sexists and assholes to boot, so put Noonan in the sexist asshole bracket (like we didn&#8217;t know that already).</p>
<p>I guess all the people who think Palin isn&#8217;t thoughtful, whatever that&#8217;s supposed to mean, are patting themselves on the back that that&#8217;s exactly what they are.  If loving Obama reflected well on the narcissists because he&#8217;s everything they think they are, sneering at Palin does the same job, enabling themselves to distance themselves from everything they believe she is.</p>
<p>This thread at Reclusive Leftist has produced the most interesting commentary on the hate Palin phenomenon by feminists that I&#8217;ve seen:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.reclusiveleftist.com/2009/07/04/feminists-and-the-mystery-of-sarah-palin/#comments" rel="nofollow">http://www.reclusiveleftist.com/2009/07/04/feminists-and-the-mystery-of-sarah-palin/#comments</a></p>
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		<title>By: Agasaya</title>
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		<dc:creator>Agasaya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 17:57:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was interesting because it was written by a conservative female columnist and because it talks of the fact that we aren&#039;t producing thinkers or self-analyzing individuals at present. Noonan&#039;s politics aside, those are worthwhile observations being made while discussing Palin&#039;s resignation.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124716984620819351.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was interesting because it was written by a conservative female columnist and because it talks of the fact that we aren&#8217;t producing thinkers or self-analyzing individuals at present. Noonan&#8217;s politics aside, those are worthwhile observations being made while discussing Palin&#8217;s resignation.</p>
<p><a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124716984620819351.html" rel="nofollow">http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124716984620819351.html</a></p>
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