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		<title>By: teresainpa</title>
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		<dc:creator>teresainpa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 17:32:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am just not cool enough to appreciate Woody Allen and his whiney loser act.  I also do not think Nicholson is the sexist man alive.  What is with these people?
having spent many years in the theater I can tell you that part of being good is an ability to retain the childish ability to make believe.  But the other parts of our brains are supposed to mature and so clearly people in Hollywood are so open minded their brains fell out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am just not cool enough to appreciate Woody Allen and his whiney loser act.  I also do not think Nicholson is the sexist man alive.  What is with these people?<br />
having spent many years in the theater I can tell you that part of being good is an ability to retain the childish ability to make believe.  But the other parts of our brains are supposed to mature and so clearly people in Hollywood are so open minded their brains fell out.</p>
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		<title>By: Saurs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Saurs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 00:56:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And now I&#039;ve actually found the bloody quote myself. It&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://womenandhollywood.com/2009/01/15/emma-thompson-blogs-by-email-about-last-chance-harvey/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; in a rather shortish webblog written by Thompson on said Hoffman film, containing some rather interesting (and depressing) commentary about body weight. The bit in question, about the romantic lead business, goes:

&lt;i&gt;I shall turn 50 this year, which is not without its odd emotions and has got me thinking about being, well, old. I don’t mean decrepit, I mean not infantile, no longer so attached to things, no longer so concerned about what others think, no longer so anxious to prove myself – you may know the sort of thing I mean. &lt;b&gt;It was rather a treat, therefore, to play what is – in a way – my first modern romantic lead in a film that is more romantic than comic (although it has very funny moments and is underscored with irony and subtle humour throughout) where I was not required to be stunningly attractive or in despair or in need of rescue, but simply an ordinary woman in her forties living a rather stale-looking life as best she can&lt;/b&gt;.

Along comes this rather brash American (Dustin) and he blows a great hole in her defenses (don’t you think we all build them for various stages in life and then FORGET TO DISMANTLE THEM when the danger is past or the trauma has been lived through?). So what you are watching is a sudden flood of real communication (how rare is that?), the sort of communication that shifts the emotional tectonic plates and provokes seismic movement in the soul...&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And now I&#8217;ve actually found the bloody quote myself. It&#8217;s <a href="http://womenandhollywood.com/2009/01/15/emma-thompson-blogs-by-email-about-last-chance-harvey/" rel="nofollow">here</a> in a rather shortish webblog written by Thompson on said Hoffman film, containing some rather interesting (and depressing) commentary about body weight. The bit in question, about the romantic lead business, goes:</p>
<p><i>I shall turn 50 this year, which is not without its odd emotions and has got me thinking about being, well, old. I don’t mean decrepit, I mean not infantile, no longer so attached to things, no longer so concerned about what others think, no longer so anxious to prove myself – you may know the sort of thing I mean. <b>It was rather a treat, therefore, to play what is – in a way – my first modern romantic lead in a film that is more romantic than comic (although it has very funny moments and is underscored with irony and subtle humour throughout) where I was not required to be stunningly attractive or in despair or in need of rescue, but simply an ordinary woman in her forties living a rather stale-looking life as best she can</b>.</p>
<p>Along comes this rather brash American (Dustin) and he blows a great hole in her defenses (don’t you think we all build them for various stages in life and then FORGET TO DISMANTLE THEM when the danger is past or the trauma has been lived through?). So what you are watching is a sudden flood of real communication (how rare is that?), the sort of communication that shifts the emotional tectonic plates and provokes seismic movement in the soul&#8230;</i></p>
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		<title>By: saurs</title>
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		<dc:creator>saurs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 00:48:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apologies, Hedgepig. I mangled your name up there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apologies, Hedgepig. I mangled your name up there.</p>
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		<title>By: Saurs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Saurs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 00:47:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s splendid news, hHdgepig. And since Thompson has been thrown back into the mix, I&#039;ve a question about something sally (at 2:19am, on October 19) says above: 

&lt;i&gt;When Emma Thompson starred in a movie with Dustin Hoffman as a romance, that was the limit with me. I mean, she was “hopeless-spinster” in her forties (at the time), and her only option was… dude in his seventies. According to her, this was the first time she ever got to play a romantic lead in her career. She should have more than a passing acquaintance with the patriarchy and identifies as a feminist, but somehow, I wonder if she is romantizing what happened. Maybe it was regretable party hijinks to her.&lt;/i&gt;

Can someone confirm Thompson actually saying or implying this? I&#039;ve done a bit of searching, as this struck me, when I first read it, as an incredibly disingenuous thing for Thompson to say. As I dimly recall, she has almost always played the romantic lead or the lead&#039;s gullfriend or &#039;love interest&#039; or wife. I believe one of the first films in which I saw her is that Jeff Goldblum vehicle (Goldblum as an attractive, slightly melancholy aspiring comedian, second banana to a very narcissistic Mr. Bean, frequently engaging in long and loud bouts of aerobic sex) in which she plays Goldblum&#039;s &quot;love interest,&quot; a nurse, if I remember correctly. She is also Kenneth Branagh&#039;s &quot;love interest&quot; in nearly all of their films together, &lt;i&gt;and&lt;/i&gt; didn&#039;t she stand by Arnold when he and Danny DeVito made himself preggers in Junior?

Although it&#039;s unfortunate, especially given that Thompson&#039;s a very fine actor, the default position for all women in literature, art, and film &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; Love Interest or Crone, and her career no more or no less reflects that tendency despite the whitewash(?) sally reports above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s splendid news, hHdgepig. And since Thompson has been thrown back into the mix, I&#8217;ve a question about something sally (at 2:19am, on October 19) says above: </p>
<p><i>When Emma Thompson starred in a movie with Dustin Hoffman as a romance, that was the limit with me. I mean, she was “hopeless-spinster” in her forties (at the time), and her only option was… dude in his seventies. According to her, this was the first time she ever got to play a romantic lead in her career. She should have more than a passing acquaintance with the patriarchy and identifies as a feminist, but somehow, I wonder if she is romantizing what happened. Maybe it was regretable party hijinks to her.</i></p>
<p>Can someone confirm Thompson actually saying or implying this? I&#8217;ve done a bit of searching, as this struck me, when I first read it, as an incredibly disingenuous thing for Thompson to say. As I dimly recall, she has almost always played the romantic lead or the lead&#8217;s gullfriend or &#8216;love interest&#8217; or wife. I believe one of the first films in which I saw her is that Jeff Goldblum vehicle (Goldblum as an attractive, slightly melancholy aspiring comedian, second banana to a very narcissistic Mr. Bean, frequently engaging in long and loud bouts of aerobic sex) in which she plays Goldblum&#8217;s &#8220;love interest,&#8221; a nurse, if I remember correctly. She is also Kenneth Branagh&#8217;s &#8220;love interest&#8221; in nearly all of their films together, <i>and</i> didn&#8217;t she stand by Arnold when he and Danny DeVito made himself preggers in Junior?</p>
<p>Although it&#8217;s unfortunate, especially given that Thompson&#8217;s a very fine actor, the default position for all women in literature, art, and film <i>is</i> Love Interest or Crone, and her career no more or no less reflects that tendency despite the whitewash(?) sally reports above.</p>
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		<title>By: Hedgepig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hedgepig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 22:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since this thread has been revived, I&#039;d like to take the opportunity to mention that Emma Thompson recently removed her name from the pro-Polanski petition, after a meeting with Shakesvillians, during which they implored her to reconsider her support of said rapist. She did reconsider, and she&#039;s removed her support. 
A little flicker of light in the darkness is a marvellous thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since this thread has been revived, I&#8217;d like to take the opportunity to mention that Emma Thompson recently removed her name from the pro-Polanski petition, after a meeting with Shakesvillians, during which they implored her to reconsider her support of said rapist. She did reconsider, and she&#8217;s removed her support.<br />
A little flicker of light in the darkness is a marvellous thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Lacquered Studio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lacquered Studio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 02:08:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pity about Jonathan Demme.
&lt;i&gt;Silence of the Lambs&lt;/i&gt; was fantastic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pity about Jonathan Demme.<br />
<i>Silence of the Lambs</i> was fantastic.</p>
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		<title>By: HeroesGetMade</title>
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		<dc:creator>HeroesGetMade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 17:48:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The name that popped out of that petition with a giant WTF was Pedro Almodovar, who directed the anti-Chinatown, Volver. I have no problem never watching another Woody Allen flick as long as I live, as I&#039;ve only made it through one befor the whining caused me to bail, and the one time was only out of politeness to a houseguest who thought NY Stories represented cinematic greatness and missed the guargantuan issues with half the human race embedded therein. But back to Pedro - when I saw Volver, it was hard to believe a man made that film as it features mostly women living and overcoming the shit heaped upon them by men. In Volver, the older-generation incest perp is burnt up in the love shack while the next-generation incest perp is put away by his would-be victim. Volver stands all the acceptance of incest embodied in Chinatown on its head. So what was Pedro thinking when he signed that thing? The most generous reading I can give to it was that he simply knew the child rapist, but did not apprehend that he was a child rapist, and went the low-information herd route.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The name that popped out of that petition with a giant WTF was Pedro Almodovar, who directed the anti-Chinatown, Volver. I have no problem never watching another Woody Allen flick as long as I live, as I&#8217;ve only made it through one befor the whining caused me to bail, and the one time was only out of politeness to a houseguest who thought NY Stories represented cinematic greatness and missed the guargantuan issues with half the human race embedded therein. But back to Pedro &#8211; when I saw Volver, it was hard to believe a man made that film as it features mostly women living and overcoming the shit heaped upon them by men. In Volver, the older-generation incest perp is burnt up in the love shack while the next-generation incest perp is put away by his would-be victim. Volver stands all the acceptance of incest embodied in Chinatown on its head. So what was Pedro thinking when he signed that thing? The most generous reading I can give to it was that he simply knew the child rapist, but did not apprehend that he was a child rapist, and went the low-information herd route.</p>
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		<title>By: Friend of Snakes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Friend of Snakes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 06:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding the references in the general media and here about the victim having come to terms with the rape and wanting the case to go away: How about if instead she said, &quot;Polanski ruined my life and I insist that the other charges be reinstated and he be sent away to prison for the rest of his life.&quot;? Should the state give any more credence to the latter view than the former? I don&#039;t think so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the references in the general media and here about the victim having come to terms with the rape and wanting the case to go away: How about if instead she said, &#8220;Polanski ruined my life and I insist that the other charges be reinstated and he be sent away to prison for the rest of his life.&#8221;? Should the state give any more credence to the latter view than the former? I don&#8217;t think so.</p>
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		<title>By: figleaf</title>
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		<dc:creator>figleaf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Possibly Whoopi views Polanski’s violent crime in this seriously fucked-up way because in Hollywood — patriarchy’s primary misogyny propaganda unit — rape is nothing but a plot device&quot;

Nah, it&#039;s because in Hollywood people use, um, &quot;leveraged&quot; sex as even more of a medium of currency than most other places do.  It&#039;s not just the &quot;casting couch&quot; thing but an outright demonstration of a combination of power, fealty, and &quot;committment&quot; to a person or project.  Where it&#039;s sort of a given that giving a producer a blowjob when it&#039;s known you like giving them or even just don&#039;t mind isn&#039;t nearly as valuable as giving one when it&#039;s the last thing on earth you want to do.

And so by that way of thinking, which I&#039;m guessing Goldberg just sees as the cost of doing business, what Polanski did to a 13-year-old was just &quot;over the line&quot; and not &quot;rape-rape.&quot;

And I&#039;m just thinking that unusual suspects are standing up for him not so much because they like the system or look forward to being on the receiving end themselves but because to acknowledge it in Polanski&#039;s case would mean having to confront what they themselves have submitted to, or at least steeled themselves for in case they had to, as their own &quot;cost of doing business&quot; in Hollywood.

And by the way, that&#039;s not to excuse the &quot;rape as a plot device&quot; business they grunt out on a daily basis.  Quite the opposite.  You see a lot of the same sordid plot devices in regular print and comic publishing, but you don&#039;t see that &quot;if you want it you&#039;ve got to show me how badly you want it&quot; sort of thing that goes on in Hollywood.

Bottom line: it&#039;s not so much &quot;rape-rape&quot; culture as a culture of sexual harassment on an industrial scale.  For an insider to stand up to it requires acknowledging that he or she has participated in, and possibly &quot;benefited&quot; career-wise from it, as aggressor or victim or both.

figleaf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Possibly Whoopi views Polanski’s violent crime in this seriously fucked-up way because in Hollywood — patriarchy’s primary misogyny propaganda unit — rape is nothing but a plot device&#8221;</p>
<p>Nah, it&#8217;s because in Hollywood people use, um, &#8220;leveraged&#8221; sex as even more of a medium of currency than most other places do.  It&#8217;s not just the &#8220;casting couch&#8221; thing but an outright demonstration of a combination of power, fealty, and &#8220;committment&#8221; to a person or project.  Where it&#8217;s sort of a given that giving a producer a blowjob when it&#8217;s known you like giving them or even just don&#8217;t mind isn&#8217;t nearly as valuable as giving one when it&#8217;s the last thing on earth you want to do.</p>
<p>And so by that way of thinking, which I&#8217;m guessing Goldberg just sees as the cost of doing business, what Polanski did to a 13-year-old was just &#8220;over the line&#8221; and not &#8220;rape-rape.&#8221;</p>
<p>And I&#8217;m just thinking that unusual suspects are standing up for him not so much because they like the system or look forward to being on the receiving end themselves but because to acknowledge it in Polanski&#8217;s case would mean having to confront what they themselves have submitted to, or at least steeled themselves for in case they had to, as their own &#8220;cost of doing business&#8221; in Hollywood.</p>
<p>And by the way, that&#8217;s not to excuse the &#8220;rape as a plot device&#8221; business they grunt out on a daily basis.  Quite the opposite.  You see a lot of the same sordid plot devices in regular print and comic publishing, but you don&#8217;t see that &#8220;if you want it you&#8217;ve got to show me how badly you want it&#8221; sort of thing that goes on in Hollywood.</p>
<p>Bottom line: it&#8217;s not so much &#8220;rape-rape&#8221; culture as a culture of sexual harassment on an industrial scale.  For an insider to stand up to it requires acknowledging that he or she has participated in, and possibly &#8220;benefited&#8221; career-wise from it, as aggressor or victim or both.</p>
<p>figleaf</p>
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		<title>By: Felicity</title>
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		<dc:creator>Felicity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:46:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know, it is the saddest thing about it how the rape aspect of the Polinski rape of a child is ignored.</description>
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