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May 26 2010

Gentle reminder of the week

It seems there may be some confusion regarding the degree of frequency with which patriarchy blamers are expected to comment on a given post. Thus do I trot out of mothballs the relevant passage from our award-nominated manifesto, Patriarchy-Blaming the Twisty Way: Guidelines for Commenters:

If you find yourself commenting more than 2 or 3 times on a given post, please consider shutting the old piehole.

Following this simple advice will prevent the comments section from becoming a bottomless pit of dreadful stream-of-consciousness-ness. Thank you and carry on.

41 comments

  1. Sarah

    Who is Chad, and why must he bite you? Is a Chad like a Nigel? I think in addition to a wiki, perhaps the Blametariat could use a wiktionary. Coinages could abound! Commenters could go wild!

  2. jaded

    Awesome as always Jill. Also : for people without mental filters who love infesting other people’s spaces with Joyce-esque commentaries, you can comment here. Seriously.

  3. SargassoSea

    “In the interest of intelligibility, try to use words.”*

    OMG! LOL! RUKDG?!

    *from the Award-Nominated Manifesto, Patriarchy-Blaming the Twisty Way: Guidelines for Commenters

  4. Carolyn

    I just downloaded CleverKeys and it’s excellent. I may finally get rid of the tattered Roget’s that lives on the bottom shelf of my computer desk.

  5. awhirlinlondon

    Don’t do it! The heavily thumbed Roget’s rocks. It is brilliant. Wonderful. Useful. Charming. Phenomenal. Perfect. A propos. Invaluable. Irreplaceable. Delightful. Just the thing. Comme il faut. and etc., etc. which I’d add if I could damn find mine among the 700 piles of books stacked to the ceiling around here.

  6. Carolyn

    I write an online RP character who talks like someone in a Jane Austen novel, and he’d be nothing and nowhere without that thesaurus. But it might speed up the action a bit if I used CleverKeys instead!

  7. Saphire

    Love the rule generally, but sometimes the best commenters like Yttik and Kiuku have more than one thing to say on a subject – I love to read their stuff!

    What we need is a nice edit function. It would get rid of the shit spiel.

  8. an admirer

    dear twisty,

    i love you.

    - an admirer

  9. yttik

    I’m sorry, it’s bad manners to make a mess with a series of side discussions. The problem is what you call a dreadful stream of consciousness, is sometimes a beautiful stream of consciousness-raising. I certainly learn some interesting things from these discussions. It’s actually quite difficult to find something worthy to exercise your brain on, because as I’m sure many people have noticed, we don’t live in the most enlightened or intellectually stimulating society.

    I shall do my best to count my posts.

  10. Jill

    It’s a guideline, not a rule, and the commenter is asked to consider, not to comply. The intent of the guideline is to encourage cogent analysis in place of many misspelled blurts. IBTP isn’t necessarily at its best when it’s made to function as a goddessy spiritual support group, is what I’m sayin.

    I don’t have anyone in particular in mind when I write this, by the way, so if you think it’s you, you’re wrong, and if you’re going to storm off in a huff because I’m an elitist anti-goddessy bitch, well, OK then.

    Also, if there’s a really molten sort of argument going on, and it’s got some good epithets, by all means keep’em coming.

  11. yttik

    “if you’re going to storm off in a huff because I’m an elitist anti-goddessy bitch, well, OK then.”

    Well, for myself I find anti-goddessy bitches rather charming. I also rarely storm off in a huff. More often I wander off in a daze and forget where I was going.

  12. Carolyn

    Can I also put in a plea for sources, not just of bizarre facts but also of unusual, controversial or counterintuitive ideas and insights, so that those of use who don’t know/don’t necessarily believe it can find out more? If you thought of the idea yourself, excellent–maybe you could tell us what prompted it, or what kinds of information you pulled together, so we can compare it to what we know. Not only do I like this for my own personal understanding, but it’s hard to turn around and tell someone else what you said, because THEY are going to ask YOU how YOU know, and saying ‘someone said it on the Internet’ is not that great an argument.

  13. Andrea

    I got this off my RSS feed and hung my head, thinking I had commented three times in a row. But, reviewing the commenting guidelines, my third one just got eaten because I posted more than one link regarding wiki security settings. Clearly I wasn’t as familiar with the policy as I thought. Thank you for reminding me.

  14. awhirlinlondon

    But oh, how I will miss some of the predictability!

    1. Brilliant, provocative blog post in what is clearly the best, tightest writing on the web.

    2. Insightful commentary and conversation from many of the usual suspects, all of whom I wish were in my life rather than living in my computer. nails, yttik, Comrade S, Saragasso, speed, Jezebella, Norbiz, Notorious, agasaya and countless, countless others.

    3. Jokes.

    4. Troll attack.

    5. General heaping on, mad evisceration of and whooping laughter at troll.

    6. Troll posts increasing numbers of offended, defensive posts and stomps off / is booted from Savage Death Island.

    7. I like tacos!

    8. “Jill, this is the only sane corner of discourse in my life. I love you and want to have your babies. This place is saving my life.”

    9. More sane and insightful commentary and analysis.

    10. “I am NOT a racist! I am not I am not I am not!”

    11. “Yes, you are, actually.”

    12. 27 increasingly hysterical posts on the subject of “I AM NOT A RACIST and why is everyone picking on me! Everyone is always picking on me, see??!!!! See??”

    13. CPP: “Hey, I am not a racist? Shut the fucking fuck up. Everyone’s fucking laughing at you and no-one fucking cares what you fucking think.”

    14.PP: “Other PP? You are such a fuckwit.”

    15. More jokes / tacos / commentary / analysis.

    16. 4 wrap-up posts from K, each of which demonstrates a new and interesting way to think about the ways in which men are scum and should all be killed, preferably as slowly and painfully as possible.

    I think that’s it, but I may have missed something.

  15. Sabina

    So Jill, IBTP is not a like safe place for feminist and newbie feminist the way Shakesville is.

  16. Femanazi

    At the risk of sounding stupid. whats up with the “taco” thing? My daughter has, out of nowhere said, “I love tacos” for years now. Is this some feminist saying I missed?I have asked her and she just tells me it’s funny. I did raise a smart ass feminazi, so not sure.

    BTW, I took Rush limpdick’s term and ran with it, cuz he was bitchen about how us feminazi’s were feminizing the schools. I thought to myself. We are! It beats the fuck out of the patriarchy institutions of comformity that are driving our boy’s batshit crazy, i.e., Columbine and the many other schools that have been shot up by boys.

  17. Saphire

    Haha that’s hilarious and pretty spot on awhirlinlondon.

    I agree about the ‘guidelines’ anyway, your blog at the end of the day. This blamer is incredibly grateful you bin so much rubbish! It’s what keeps everyone sane and from quoting feminism 101 every post.

  18. norbizness

    At this point, the normal host would have thrown in an animated .gif of a kitten chasing a little red dot on a wall made by a laser pointer to illustrate.

  19. Jill

    Well, awhirlinlondon, I might as well copy and paste your comment at the top of the blog and go take a steam!

  20. Jill

    I don’t know how to animate .gifs. It’s embarrassing. I also don’t understand video games.

  21. nails

    Well, I am fucked.

  22. nails

    Hey Feminazi- my step spawn does that too. Minus the “I love” part, she just says “Taco”, sometimes in place of “hello”. I wish that the ability to be weird without feeling shame persisted into adulthood for more people. I would have more interesting conversations at work, that’s for sure.

  23. Comrade PhysioProf

    16. 4 wrap-up posts from K, each of which demonstrates a new and interesting way to think about the ways in which men are scum and should all be killed, preferably as slowly and painfully as possible.

    ZLOLZFTWBBQ!!!!111!!

  24. Rachel

    Feminazi, see this entry on tacos and tacqueax:

    http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2007/05/22/yo-taqueau/

  25. Isabel

    “12. 27 increasingly hysterical posts on the subject of “I AM NOT A RACIST and why is everyone picking on me! Everyone is always picking on me, see??!!!! See??””

    Really? Two posts in response to someone (Nails) barging in on an thread to announce to everyone that I am a racist and that I have been making racist comments on other blogs, which was a complete lie? Her links actually proved otherwise but, unfortunately, most people will not follow them. How would you have handled it?

    Standing up, in the moment, to people who actually seem to be picking on me (at least Nails, who I was blindsided by, and CPP’s usual crap*) or treating me unfairly (Twisty), and then dropping the subject is “whining about it?”

    That was characterized as a commenter war but it was a typical pile-on, ending with Jill’s non-sensical opinion that I am a honky so should just shut my pie-hole. Oh I guess having to read my response to Jill really added to your deep pain.

    Being called a racist in this society is like being called a child abuser. All I did was explain how one of the examples disproved her point. So sorry to have been such a bore!

    Nails in comparison, has practically taken over the blog. She is writing more over here than on her own blog. I am uninterested in what she has to say, so I don’t read it. Problem solved.

    *you got CPP wrong by the way, his actual, more humorous comment was more like “you are being UPBRAIDED, Isabel, for Trying to Cause Trouble and we can’t have troublemakers like you on IBTP!!!eleventy!!”

  26. Inverarity

    Isabel, I remember following those links and thinking that what you said did indeed look pretty damn racist. And your lasting grudges against everyone who ever disagrees with you (including nails now, apparently) are kind of creepy and stalkerish.

  27. Isabel

    “Isabel, I remember following those links and thinking that what you said did indeed look pretty damn racist”

    You CAN’T just make a charge like that without making a case. Or rather you can, and Nails can and Jill can, but it is not in any way a cool thing to do.

    We aren’t allowed to discuss it because that will bore everyone, but we are allowed to accept, and I should shut up and accept, the label of racist honkey for me? No thanks.

    And why does it even matter here what you and Nails think about a comment I made on CPPs blog last August? Make a case for that while you’re at it. THAT is creepy and stalkerish.

  28. Jill

    Well, it seems to me that there are but two sane courses of action when strangers on the internet call you a racist. You can either

    (a) look in the mirror, determine whether you’re white, and if you are, cop to it, or

    (b) you can say to yourself, “gosh, those complete strangers on the internet sure do have the wrong idea about me! I guess I won’t subject myself to the indignity of reading that way-wrong blog anymore! Luckily I am secure enough in my excellent personal non-racism that I don’t need to write another 17 comments telling the aforementioned complete strangers what assholes they are!”

    Whichever you choose, Isabel, sayonara, and good luck.

  29. nails

    Well, she added more to the pile on Zuska’s blog not long ago. I dunno why she would show up when she made posts that are nothing but ammo for my previous assertion.

    http://scienceblogs.com/thusspakezuska/2010/05/wah_wah_where_is_the_stuff_for.php#comment-2498253

    That is actually not a bad thread over all, if anyone wants to read it.

  30. nails

    Er- actually, I wanted to add, I didn’t point it out just to go “A-HA! COP TO YER RACISM, ISABEL!” I mostly did it because I saw that the same conversation was bound to happen here at some point because it always does with her when class is brought up, and wanted to keep IBTP free of this kind of crap. I mean it wasn’t like it only happened twice. There were multiple scienceblogs and CPP’s blog, too. Is your opinion misrepresented in the posts or not, isabel?

  31. Isabel

    Whichever you choose, Isabel, sayonara, and good luck.

    You too. I hope YOU look in the mirror and cop to YOUR privilege someday, Jill.

  32. Isabel

    Nails recently mentioned on her blog that she fights “sexism and racism.” A telling omission. ONCE AGAIN.

    Oh and nice bogus link once again. Hahaha.

    by the way Jill, I am not here looking for friendship or approval. I am not upset about the “strangers on the internet” on your big bad blog.

    I have bigger fish to fry…

    “non-racism that I don’t need to write another 17 comments telling the aforementioned complete strangers what assholes they are!”

    this is hilarious. YOU GUYS are the ones totally freaking out about ME. I didn’t say anything about anybody being an asshole. Or anything personal at all. I was responding to comments about me. I know you are uncomfortable discussing your unearned class privilege Jill. Maybe “copping to your racism” constantly relieves some of that guilt. I don’t have those issues.

    Accepting class as a real privilege – that is actually worth discussing – does not mean we must ignore race or gender privilege. You guys are really freaking out over this. We can juggle three variables. Really, it is not so hard.

    Jill I will respond when people post about me. If you are really banning me I will stop posting. Whatever. I responded to someone/s mocking comment about me. Why can’t you just let it go? I have. Why shouldn’t I respond?? You are the ones who are so upset about it. The psychology of these online mob attacks sure is fascinating.

    By the way three total strangers with stereotypical bigoted opinions about me will definitely NOT cause me to look in the mirror and agree that they are right.

  33. Kowalski

    “I wish that the ability to be weird without feeling shame persisted into adulthood for more people. I would have more interesting conversations at work, that’s for sure.”

    Nails, being weird without shame isn’t an ability that magically disappears, if you read this blog as well as the comment sections very carefully and shout BINGO! every time you see a word that uses disability/mental illness as a metaphor for bad things or bad people, you might get an idea who to blame.

    Also note how Jill thinks non-oppressive behaviour is “sane” which implies that being oppressive is like having a mental illness.

    Your regret that this shaming simply deprives you of more interesting conversations at work shows how privileged you are, imagine how it is for someone who’s weird and can’t help it. They don’t even get to be your colleague.

  34. Comrade PhysioProf

    Isabel, awhirlinlondon’s list was a fucking joke: you know, that thing we call “humor” or “LOLZ”? And it was a funny one!

  35. Jill

    Well, Kowalski, I can’t really tell you what sanity is, but what it sure as hell isn’t is oppression culture.

    I, as an aunt with a diagnosis of moderate eccentricity, will readily admit that I was frivolous and insouciant when I used the word “sane” to describe behavior that would produce a desirable outcome, thus implying the inverse: that purposely obtaining an undesirable outcome would be “insane.”

    Mental illness isn’t funny, and in fact it sucks shit through Hefty bags, which I know all too well from horrible personal experience. But I am stupid, and keep forgetting to expunge the offending lingo from the Twixicon of Joke Words. Please be patient; God isn’t finished with me yet!!!!! ;) !!!!

  36. Bonnie

    Is that – - – is that an EMOTICON in the last line of Jill’s post?

    O the humanity!

  37. nails

    I tried to care about any of the stuff posted in this thread to me and failed. Sorry folks.

  38. Jill

    If you allude to this incomprehensible feud with Isabel, consider it at an end, at least on this blog. Whew.

  39. Pinko Punko

    And multiple punctuations. The internet wears one down, does it ever.

  40. Larkspur

    My dentist made a bite guard for me, because she’s concerned that the grinding and clenching of my jaws is wearing my teeth down. I think I will ask her to make me an internet bite guard. So my lobes won’t get worn down. You know? If it works, I will commence production and give y’all a special savage death discount.

  41. Pinko Punko

    L,

    I will take a baker’s dozen.

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