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		<title>By: Ciccina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ciccina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jun 2010 21:17:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m late to the party, as usual - I just now read the Jason G. Goldman post (redacted version).

What a piece of crap.  He runs roughshod over the distinction between correlation and causality.  He draws conclusions that are not well supported by the data to which he refers.  He completely neglects to address the issue of selection bias on his own part (why *these* particular three studies?).  He doesn&#039;t address the &quot;social desirability&quot; effect (people over- or understating their own opinions and behaviors to conform with social norms) which I guess would be considerable when the survey topic is sexuality.  We don&#039;t learn whether a subset of the samples were homo- or bisexual, which could have a considerable effect on the correlation between porn consumption and cross-gender attitudes.  

And these are just the flaws that immediately sprung to mind;  I&#039;m sure I&#039;d find more if I gave the post any more thought (which I don&#039;t plan on doing).  Its pretty sad that this is the work of a grad student and editor.  Maybe his work on other topics is more thoughful - I certainly hope so - perhaps part of his brain shorts out only when the topic has to do with women or sexuality or porn (or some combo thereof).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m late to the party, as usual &#8211; I just now read the Jason G. Goldman post (redacted version).</p>
<p>What a piece of crap.  He runs roughshod over the distinction between correlation and causality.  He draws conclusions that are not well supported by the data to which he refers.  He completely neglects to address the issue of selection bias on his own part (why *these* particular three studies?).  He doesn&#8217;t address the &#8220;social desirability&#8221; effect (people over- or understating their own opinions and behaviors to conform with social norms) which I guess would be considerable when the survey topic is sexuality.  We don&#8217;t learn whether a subset of the samples were homo- or bisexual, which could have a considerable effect on the correlation between porn consumption and cross-gender attitudes.  </p>
<p>And these are just the flaws that immediately sprung to mind;  I&#8217;m sure I&#8217;d find more if I gave the post any more thought (which I don&#8217;t plan on doing).  Its pretty sad that this is the work of a grad student and editor.  Maybe his work on other topics is more thoughful &#8211; I certainly hope so &#8211; perhaps part of his brain shorts out only when the topic has to do with women or sexuality or porn (or some combo thereof).</p>
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		<title>By: Shira</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shira</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 17:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Like porn exists in a vacuum. Dude is oblivious that rape culture depends on the oppression of the group I do belong to. &quot;

No joke. As I wrote over there, comparing porn to shoes make sense if you don&#039;t consider for a second that filming a crime against a woman constitutes an additional, ongoing crime against that woman, just like child pornography constitutes an additional crime against the raped child.  This is exactly the way that a pair of shoes does not constitute an additional crime against a child.

Now, imagine if they were videotaping the children working, distributing those videos because people got off on the idea of children forced to make shoes.  Then add that a huge fraction of the population had been forced to make shoes as children. Many of them had been videotaped making shoes. They&#039;d been forced to pretend they liked making shoes. 

And if their boss or political enemy or parents ever saw those videos, their reputations could be ruined at minimum.  They could be labeled &quot;shuts.&quot;  Children known for being shuts could be forced to make shoes and videotaped with impugnity.  Everyone knows some children LIKE making shoes.  My kid likes it so why can&#039;t he get paid for it? He&#039;s really good!

But oh no, porn is just like shoes.  Right.

The other way these dudes are seriously confused, is they imagine (or expect us to believe they imagine) that most or all porn is performed by paid actors.  They insist this despite the huge amount of &quot;cam girl&quot; porn, much of it of underaged, nonconsenting teen girls, that is available and advertised on so many non-porn related websites it makes me puke.  

Many of these girls have been threatened physically if they don&#039;t perform, sometimes even by people they&#039;ve never even met, forced to strip in these videos, which are then labeled as &#039;My stupid ex slut girlfriend shows her sweeeet a$$$$$&#039; and posted on ebaumsworld.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Like porn exists in a vacuum. Dude is oblivious that rape culture depends on the oppression of the group I do belong to. &#8221;</p>
<p>No joke. As I wrote over there, comparing porn to shoes make sense if you don&#8217;t consider for a second that filming a crime against a woman constitutes an additional, ongoing crime against that woman, just like child pornography constitutes an additional crime against the raped child.  This is exactly the way that a pair of shoes does not constitute an additional crime against a child.</p>
<p>Now, imagine if they were videotaping the children working, distributing those videos because people got off on the idea of children forced to make shoes.  Then add that a huge fraction of the population had been forced to make shoes as children. Many of them had been videotaped making shoes. They&#8217;d been forced to pretend they liked making shoes. </p>
<p>And if their boss or political enemy or parents ever saw those videos, their reputations could be ruined at minimum.  They could be labeled &#8220;shuts.&#8221;  Children known for being shuts could be forced to make shoes and videotaped with impugnity.  Everyone knows some children LIKE making shoes.  My kid likes it so why can&#8217;t he get paid for it? He&#8217;s really good!</p>
<p>But oh no, porn is just like shoes.  Right.</p>
<p>The other way these dudes are seriously confused, is they imagine (or expect us to believe they imagine) that most or all porn is performed by paid actors.  They insist this despite the huge amount of &#8220;cam girl&#8221; porn, much of it of underaged, nonconsenting teen girls, that is available and advertised on so many non-porn related websites it makes me puke.  </p>
<p>Many of these girls have been threatened physically if they don&#8217;t perform, sometimes even by people they&#8217;ve never even met, forced to strip in these videos, which are then labeled as &#8216;My stupid ex slut girlfriend shows her sweeeet a$$$$$&#8217; and posted on ebaumsworld.</p>
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		<title>By: roesmoker</title>
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		<dc:creator>roesmoker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 03:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS. Sorry about commenting off-topic - I am still digesting the various posts &amp; comments on Science!Gate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS. Sorry about commenting off-topic &#8211; I am still digesting the various posts &amp; comments on Science!Gate.</p>
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		<title>By: roesmoker</title>
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		<dc:creator>roesmoker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 03:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Twisty, have you seen this nauseating spectre of the patriarchy?

From Phil Bronstein, Executive Vice President and Horndog-at-Large, San Francisco Chronicle, a charming article called &quot;BP -- Beneficent Porn -- Can Fix the Oil Spill Crisis. Who&#039;s With Me?&quot; I thought it was &quot;Comedy&quot; at first but no, he appears to be serious: 

&quot;adult business probably still out earns Yahoo, Apple, NetFlix, Microsoft, Google, Amazon and eBay combined. Every second they bring in anywhere from $38 to $3,000, depending on which research you read, and 28,258 users. Now that&#039;s change that matters. And some great mobilization (among customers, not performers).&quot;

(snipped) 

&quot;We need a Franklin Roosevelt, New Deal-style, bootstrapping Public Works Administration. Except it&#039;s the Porn/Private Works Administration.&quot;

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/phil-bronstein/bp---beneficent-porn---ca_b_590966.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Twisty, have you seen this nauseating spectre of the patriarchy?</p>
<p>From Phil Bronstein, Executive Vice President and Horndog-at-Large, San Francisco Chronicle, a charming article called &#8220;BP &#8212; Beneficent Porn &#8212; Can Fix the Oil Spill Crisis. Who&#8217;s With Me?&#8221; I thought it was &#8220;Comedy&#8221; at first but no, he appears to be serious: </p>
<p>&#8220;adult business probably still out earns Yahoo, Apple, NetFlix, Microsoft, Google, Amazon and eBay combined. Every second they bring in anywhere from $38 to $3,000, depending on which research you read, and 28,258 users. Now that&#8217;s change that matters. And some great mobilization (among customers, not performers).&#8221;</p>
<p>(snipped) </p>
<p>&#8220;We need a Franklin Roosevelt, New Deal-style, bootstrapping Public Works Administration. Except it&#8217;s the Porn/Private Works Administration.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/phil-bronstein/bp---beneficent-porn---ca_b_590966.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/phil-bronstein/bp&#8212;beneficent-porn&#8212;ca_b_590966.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Phledge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phledge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jun 2010 22:59:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Feminizzle makes a good point.  There are plenty of women who, writhing under the heel of their master&#039;s boot, wag their fingers at us for casting a jaundiced eye.  Why, my young sister still has to ask me why I&#039;m such a &lt;i&gt;radical&lt;/i&gt; feminist, as she laughs at Judd Apatow films and gets paid half of what she was offered by the Democratic Party!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Feminizzle makes a good point.  There are plenty of women who, writhing under the heel of their master&#8217;s boot, wag their fingers at us for casting a jaundiced eye.  Why, my young sister still has to ask me why I&#8217;m such a <i>radical</i> feminist, as she laughs at Judd Apatow films and gets paid half of what she was offered by the Democratic Party!</p>
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		<title>By: wiggles</title>
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		<dc:creator>wiggles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jun 2010 18:16:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Feminizzle - Pearl&#039;s need to identify as female first-off as though all one needs to gain credibility in feminist discussion is to be female was the first tip-off. The defense of porn wrapped up in cries of reverse-sexism sealed the deal for me that Pearl&#039;s an MRA in drag. All that was missing was a gratuitous and embarrassing use of &quot;You go, grrrl!&quot;

You could be right though I suppose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Feminizzle &#8211; Pearl&#8217;s need to identify as female first-off as though all one needs to gain credibility in feminist discussion is to be female was the first tip-off. The defense of porn wrapped up in cries of reverse-sexism sealed the deal for me that Pearl&#8217;s an MRA in drag. All that was missing was a gratuitous and embarrassing use of &#8220;You go, grrrl!&#8221;</p>
<p>You could be right though I suppose.</p>
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		<title>By: RKMK</title>
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		<dc:creator>RKMK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jun 2010 17:53:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not for nothing, but a quick Google for &quot;coercion pornography&quot; elicited a hit on &lt;a href=&quot;http://feministlawprofs.law.sc.edu/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ann Bartow&lt;/a&gt;&#039;s academic paper on the subject (vis-a-vis copyright law) &quot;Pornography, Coercion, and Copyright Law 2.0&quot; - 

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1137973 

The article is jam-packed full of references and a discussion on sex trafficking and a whole handy-dandy section on &quot;The Vulnerabiltity of Pornography Performers Aged 18 and Over.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not for nothing, but a quick Google for &#8220;coercion pornography&#8221; elicited a hit on <a href="http://feministlawprofs.law.sc.edu/" rel="nofollow">Ann Bartow</a>&#8217;s academic paper on the subject (vis-a-vis copyright law) &#8220;Pornography, Coercion, and Copyright Law 2.0&#8243; &#8211; </p>
<p><a href="http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1137973" rel="nofollow">http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1137973</a> </p>
<p>The article is jam-packed full of references and a discussion on sex trafficking and a whole handy-dandy section on &#8220;The Vulnerabiltity of Pornography Performers Aged 18 and Over.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jun 2010 16:47:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So given Jason&#039;s reasoning it would follow that if I wrote an article titled &quot;Just How Bad are the Jews Anyway?&quot; on my &lt;i&gt;science&lt;/i&gt; blog stating that I don&#039;t hate Jews one way or another, in fact, I don&#039;t really have an opinion about how the Jews have destroyed our country.  Then I provided a bunch of &quot;data&quot; about how bad the Jews are for America and then gave a few anecdotes about my unfavorable run-ins with Jews, that I could step away, throw my hands up and defend my statements as, uh, I was just providing information designed to entertain and explore one part of the issue but I wasn&#039;t taking sides one way or another?

So that would get me off the hook right? 

The only reason Jason took the &quot;anecdotal&quot; info out of his &quot;article&quot; was because he didn&#039;t appreciate being called on his dipshittery, not because he wanted it to be free of editorializing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So given Jason&#8217;s reasoning it would follow that if I wrote an article titled &#8220;Just How Bad are the Jews Anyway?&#8221; on my <i>science</i> blog stating that I don&#8217;t hate Jews one way or another, in fact, I don&#8217;t really have an opinion about how the Jews have destroyed our country.  Then I provided a bunch of &#8220;data&#8221; about how bad the Jews are for America and then gave a few anecdotes about my unfavorable run-ins with Jews, that I could step away, throw my hands up and defend my statements as, uh, I was just providing information designed to entertain and explore one part of the issue but I wasn&#8217;t taking sides one way or another?</p>
<p>So that would get me off the hook right? </p>
<p>The only reason Jason took the &#8220;anecdotal&#8221; info out of his &#8220;article&#8221; was because he didn&#8217;t appreciate being called on his dipshittery, not because he wanted it to be free of editorializing.</p>
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		<title>By: Jane Q. Public</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jane Q. Public</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jun 2010 15:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pearl uses the term &quot;overly feminist&quot; as if there were some perfect balance of feminist to be achieved. Must be those sexyfun feminists who have managed to strike a harmonious accord between too much and too little feminist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pearl uses the term &#8220;overly feminist&#8221; as if there were some perfect balance of feminist to be achieved. Must be those sexyfun feminists who have managed to strike a harmonious accord between too much and too little feminist.</p>
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		<title>By: Princess Rot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Princess Rot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jun 2010 13:34:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I shall reiterate to &quot;Pearl&quot; what I said about cs shelton yesterday: &lt;i&gt;stop confusing your half-baked opinion with objective reality.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I shall reiterate to &#8220;Pearl&#8221; what I said about cs shelton yesterday: <i>stop confusing your half-baked opinion with objective reality.</i></p>
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